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u/Icef34r · 9 pointsr/ShitAmericansSay

> Thanks for the link about the Solutrean Hypothesis. It's not very convincing, but it's interesting to speculate about alternate histories.

It's an interesting hypotesis but has almost no basis. It is fundamented on some similarities between Solutrean and Clovis lithic assemblages. It particularly relies on a specific flaking thechnique called overshot flaking which is present in both Solutrean and Clovis and almost nowhere else. It is a very weak connection because while it is a very rare technique, it is perfecly possible that it developed independently. On the other hand, it has two strong flaws: one is that there is a gap of 4.000 years between one culture and the other, and the other is that genetic evidence points towards East Asia as the most probable origin of the American first settlers.

The theory itself has almost no basis, but the scientific debate is interesting. And the book written by its two main supporters (Bruce Bradley and Dennis Stanford) is one of the best books about Clovis culture and Clovis lithic technology ever written: Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America's Clovis Culture

u/CertifiedRabbi · 2 pointsr/altright

I read Across Atlantic Ice when it was released. While their theory is interesting, it's still far from being accepted.

Edit: Here's a video presenting some of the interesting DNA evidence.

u/jqpublick · 1 pointr/Winnipeg

No, I did not know what that site was until I looked at it. THEN I looked around. Because I like to think for myself.

Native people do not equal 'magic people'.

You 'wipe your ass' with Treaties, eh? (Did you know the Geneva Convention is a treaty? Will you wipe your ass with that one as well?) Good to see you're dropping the reasonable person disguise. Tell me how First Nations are rewriting history. They don't deserve "free things", they deserve to have Canada honour its treaties. Like any nation does. Just a quick aside, does 'free things' include health care? Or education? Or housing? Because Canada does guarantee all citizens these rights.

My job = archaeologist.

White people were not here before First Nations. Not even close. I imagine you're thinking of the Atlantic Crossing theory, which (if you read the book "Across Atlantic Ice") does not suggest a white-first arrival, but the possibility of a connection between the Clovis people and cultures on the spanish coast approximately 10-12,000 years ago. BTW, this book is where this theory comes from. It's an interesting theory and there are some strong correlations between the morphology of Clovis points and the morphology of the Solutrean peoples of the same time. This does not prove white supremacy or a white-first arrival in North America any more than your disdain for Treaties proves their worthlessness. You conflate cause with correlation.

Recently Kenniwick Man, your poster boy for white-first America, underwent some more DNA sequencing and the most recent results show him to be First Nations. (Final results pending.) But I bet you didn't read about that, did you? And even if he was proven to be as white as you want to be, it wouldn't change the fact that there is evidence of earlier occupations in North America. There are suggestions that South America was populated earlier, but those sites are controversial and are still undergoing investigations.

And I bet you didn't read about the pre-clovis sites, did you? Maybe cherry-picking the interwebs isn't the best way to gather up ammunition for an argument. Because I read the net as well, and as my job requires me to research these things I have some experience with these topics.