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u/Tigertemprr · 28 pointsr/DCcomics

> It’s so confusing, why shouldn’t I just be able to follow his story from beginning to present?

> (I’m using Batman as an example but really I’d like help understanding how to follow comics in general as they’re all laid out this way, with overlapping arcs and timelines and such)

This isn't entirely how comics work. In general, it's not the only way other mediums work either. The REQUIREMENT that everything follows a strict, traditional/conventional 3-act structure (beginning, middle, end) is self-imposed and not necessary for good story-telling. The "beginning" of comics happened decades ago and the "end" is nowhere in sight; comics are perpetually stuck in the "middle".

You're already used to non-traditional narrative structure; it's used very often in other mediums. Why does Star Wars get a pass but not superhero comics? Did you see how Darth Vader "became" Darth Vader before he was introduced for the first time? Do you refuse to watch/read/play anything that will potentially have a prequel and ruin your "sense" of chronology? Did Memento or even Pulp Fiction melt your mind? When you go watch Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, there aren't going to be in-depth introductions for every character.

It's OK to embrace your preferences. Most people like following stories from beginning to end. Now that there is 70+ years of comic history to explore, third parties have attempted ordering it all in some subjective, complicated chronology. It's not really possible, though. How do you handle flashbacks, especially when they're embedded in another story? Do you have to change the chronology to per-panel precision? What about simultaneous story releases? Alternate universes/timelines that are fully/partially "canon" and/or merged/retconned later? Varieties of characterization by multiple writers/artists?

Most of what made these superheroes "cool" in the first place was very topical. What powers do they have? What does their costume look like? Their backstories and character growth/development were fleshed out over the coming decades, more specifically in the "modern" age of comics when the demographic started transitioning to include adults.

There's no "perfect" or "definitive" sequence of events that Batman's story occurred in. That severely limits creators from writing new stories for the character without requiring hard continuity reboots. If you start solidifying that Batman grew up in X, met character Y, fought character Z, in a strict order that can't be changed, then you can't write stories that occur in between those moments. If you plan out Batman's entire chronology to fit a realistic calendar where Bane broke his back on Wednesday and the Court of Owls revealed themselves on Friday, then you (1) will find it won't make sense (because that's not how comics are made) and (2) are stripping all of the "magic" of comics away. Keep in mind: 70+ year old shared universes are an unprecedented achievement of storytelling. No other medium has accomplished something of this scale for this long. You should expect to think of something unique like that a little differently than you might be used to.

I think it's easier to get into comics when you drop the "need" to read EVERYTHING, IN ORDER. You should just read self-contained stories and treat them like separate stories. Think of it like a jigsaw picture puzzle that you're solving one piece at a time. You won't see the big picture (continuity) until you manually piece random pieces of it together over time. You even start to develop your own "methodology" (head-canon, community discussion, etc.) of putting those pieces together (reading comics) in a way that makes sense to you personally. Comics should feel more like self-discovery/exploration than procedure/work.

This is (roughly) how I got into Batman and what I suggest to new readers:

u/Kallelinski · 7 pointsr/DCcomics
u/apocalypsenowandthen · 7 pointsr/comicbookmovies
  • The Dark Knight draws heavily from The Long Halloween and plenty of the Joker's lines are taken straight out of a prose issue collected here. There's also the obvious influence of The Killing Joke and The Man Who Laughs. The Killing Joke was also the primary influence on Tim Burton's Batman.

  • Batman Begins draws from a number of stories include Year One, Blind Justice and The Man Who Falls which is collected here.

  • Captain America: The Winter Soldier was based on the fairly recent Ed Brubaker run which is phenomenal.

  • The Dark Knight Rises combines elements of Knightfall, No Man's Land and The Dark Knight Returns. The Dark Knight Returns is also a major influence on the upcoming Batman V Superman.

  • The Avengers mainly draws from the original first issue of The Avengers, which is collected here and retold again here in a modern setting, as well as The Ultimates. There are plenty of shots that feel like they were lifted right out of The Ultimates. On a side note, Joss also wrote the introduction to the book years ago and it was through doing this that he figured out exactly why the Avengers work.

  • The X-Men movies tend to draw more from the 80's, especially Chris Claremont's run. X-Men 2 draws heavily from Gods Loves, Man Kills. X-Men 3 is loosely based off of The Dark Phoenix Saga as well as Joss Whedon's relatively recent Astonishing X-Men. The Wolverine draws from Chris Claremont and Frank Miller's [Wolverine mini-series] and Days of Future Past is based on, you guessed it, Day of Future Past. Even though X-Men: First Class takes it's name from the comic of the same name it has more in common with the early Stan Lee stuff. X-Men Origins: Wolverine draws from several comics include Wolverine's Origin mini-series and Weapon X. The first X-Men movie isn't really based off any particular arc although it did heavily influence Ultimate X-Men.

  • The upcoming Daredevil TV series seems to be drawing heavily from Frank Miller's run, particularly his origin story The Man Without Fear. While Miller's main run took place in the late 70's/early 80's The Man Without Fear came out in the 90's.

  • Guardians of the Galaxy takes its line-up from the 2004 series but the plot of the movie is all its own.

  • Avenger: Age of Ultron seems to be an original story that's taking it's cues, at least in part, from Ultron Unlimited which is collected here.

  • Man of Steel was heavily influenced by John Byrne's 80's reboot although its structure is heavily modelled on the 2010 graphic novel Earth One. There are also bits and pieces taken from Birthright, Secret Origin and All-Star Superman.

  • Iron Man 3 certainly takes its cues from Extremis but a lot of it is just pure Shane Black. The first Iron Man isn't based on a particular storyline but Tony's origin stuff in Afghanistan is almost identical to the flashbacks in Extremis that revamp Tony's origin for a modern context. Iron Man 2 borrows a little from Demon in a Bottle and Armor Wars but ultimately does its own thing.

  • The writer of the Fantastical Four reboot has mentioned that they've been influenced by Ultimate Fantastic Four.

  • Ant-Man follows an original story but is primarily influenced by the Scott Lang Ant-Man books from the late 70's/early 80's.

  • The Thor movies aren't based on any particular storyline but they are vaguely influenced by Walter Simon's run as well as J. Michael Straczynski's run

  • Green Lantern draws heavily from Geoff John's run, especially his near-perfect origin story Secret Origin

  • AKA Jessica Jones is based on the incredible Alias.

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u/cheddarhead4 · 7 pointsr/DCcomics

"/u/beary_good is our lord and savior, and his teachings are scribed here."

And they're all paperbacks!

Edit* but don't get Batman & Son or Final Crisis from those links - they lack a few important tie-ins. Get the new editions sibbo mentioned. linked here: Batman & Son and Final Crisis

u/Mr_Smartie · 6 pointsr/comicbooks

Here's a big list of DC recommendations I've made before. You can pick them up in trades, or as single issues. Check Amazon, or Comixology, or InStockTrades.

> For New 52 Batman and Batman-related books, I recommend the following:

u/centipededamascus · 5 pointsr/comicbooks

Grant Morrison had been building up to RIP for a while, and you'll definitely have a better reading experience if you read the previous collections, Batman and Son and The Black Glove.

And here's a reading order for the rest of Morrison's Batman work: http://readgrantmorrisonsbatman.tumblr.com/post/57372791683/reading-order

u/soulreaverdan · 5 pointsr/comicbooks
u/FlyByTieDye · 4 pointsr/batman

I have previously made a post describing the different editions of Knightfall, and how best to collect that series, and about both of these runs of interest, I hope you don't mind me repeating that information. There are recent omnibuses and trade paper backs of both series', depending on what you prefer, and I will detail what is the most up to date versions in collecting these series.

For Knightfall:

Omnibus: 1, 2, 3

Trade paper back: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

The 3 omnibuses contain the same material as the 9 trades. As for what to read before Knightfall, people often recommend the Legends of the Dark Knight story arc Venom for introducing the chemical substance Bane uses but otherwise has little bearing on the story (it's probably cheaper to buy digital copies of the trade/individual issues, as I believe the trade is out of print), or Sword of Azrael for introducing Jean Paul Valley, as he has a lot gong on in the background with him. (Note, there are two versions, the 1993 version which is often out of print, though tells just the Sword of Azrael introduction, or the modern 2016 version, which contains both the introductory arc to be read before Knightfall, though also containing a post-Knightfall arc for JPV). In terms of what you need before hand, I read the 2012 editions, and I felt lost without Sword of Azrael and Prelude to Knightfall. It does showcase a lot of odd characters here and there, I feel like if you have a somewhat familiarity of Batman's villains (i.e. Arkham or BTAS experience) then you would be fine.

Knightfall happens early enough in the post-crisis continuity, which helps for the purpose of being a new reader. Morrison's run, on the other hand, happens at the end of the post-crisis continuity. I'm not saying reading all of post-crisis is necessary, I mean I hadn't before starting, but it does draw a bit from post-crisis knowledge (things like Hush, Under The Red Hood, etc.), though crazily enough, Morrison made everything canon. Not in a way that not reading everything is prohibitive, more so in a way that embraces even the Gold/Silver/Bronze age Batman stories. The pre-crisis stories Morrison drew influence from are collected in The Black Casebook, but really, I never found it necessary to read, it is just interesting from a history perspective. The rest of Morrison's run is fairly easy enough to follow. This infographic describes the order for reading in trade paper back format, though if I recall correctly, they have recently started putting Morrison's run in omnibus format.

Trade Paper backs: Batman and Son (New edition comes with The Black Glove arc, too), (optional Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul), Batman RIP, then, it gets a little messy, as you might consider reading the DC wide event Final Crisis, which isn't Batman specific, but has huge ramifications for Batman going forward, but admittedly, without broad DC knowledge, can be confusing, anyway, following that is (optionally Battle for the Cowl and Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader?, which are not written by Morrison, but BftC is plot relevant to Batman going forward, and Gaiman's WHttCC? is a short and extremely well made reflection on Batman) then Batman and Robin: Batman Reborn, Batman and Robin: Batman Vs Robin, Time and the Batman, The Return of Bruce Wayne, Batman and Robin: Batman and Robin Must Die!. This is followed by the post-crisis Batman: Incorporated, but DC rebooted mid-Morrison run, so that it is finally completed with the New 52 Batman Incorporated volume 1: Demon Star and Batman Incorporated volume 2: Gotham's Most Wanted.

All of this (at least the Morrison parts, not any of the optional sections) are collected in omnibus editions: 1 containig Batman and Son, The Black Glove and RIP, there is a Final Crisis Omnibus, which I have heard is more complete, and there is 2 containing Time and the Batman, the first 3 Batman and Robin volumes, as well as The Return of Bruce Wayne. Lastly, there is the Batman Incorporated Absolute Edition finishing the all the Batman Incorporated stuff.

So Morison's may seem a little messier or harder to start, I wouldn't necessarily say it is harder, if you follow the list I have provided. I would recommend attempting it after a little more experience with comic Batman however, but it's hard to really say how much experience is needed. Some start with it, and have a great time. Another thing to consider is that with so much comics, especially omnibuses and absolute editions, it does get very expensive. I would recommend tackling it in bite sized chunks, like maybe just the first arc of Knightfall, or initially the pre-Final crisis Morrison stories, making sure you like either enough to commit to buying and reading more. I hope this has actually been helpful and informative, and hasn't made any of this seem too hard to follow!

u/new_eyes_open · 3 pointsr/DCcomics

I got some new books in the mail yesterday I'm excited to read -Batman and Son, Supergirl Vol. 2, Superman: For Tomorrow, and Flashpoint, which I'm reading now and really enjoying. I see a lot of posts from people just getting into - or getting back into - comics after a long hiatus like myself (where I tried to pretend I was all grown up, but having a daughter has reminded me how fun and awesome things can be) where they're stressing about continuity and reading things in the right order and I've had a blast just jumping all over the place. Once the little references to other events and inside jokes come together for me they're almost like mini-reveals and I'm really enjoying piecing things together that way.

Also, I'm running my own little personal half-marathon tomorrow morning as the halfway point of my full marathon training plan so I'm gonna be all laid up checking out those aforementioned comics all day tomorrow and that plan sounds wonderful to me.

edit for piecing (still looks weird to me, and so does weird...stupid english)

u/demosthenes718 · 2 pointsr/DCcomics

You like Batman, I see?

Might I recommend my personal favorite comic run, the Grant Morrison Batman epic. Start with Batman and Son, and go with this order. That BaS trade also contains Black Glove.

Seriously, if you're a fan of Batman, read the Morrison run. It gets a bit confusing at times, namely RIP and Return of Bruce Wayne, but it's still amazing. The highest of recommendations.

u/Adam_Absence · 2 pointsr/batman

Morrison's run starts with Batman and Son(which is Damian's first appearance), and Peter Tomasi's run starts with Batman and Robin: Born to Kill

u/deadscreensky · 2 pointsr/comicbooks

Yeah, it's the climax of a story that's been running for about 15 issues at that point, and it was meticulously planned out. Some of the twists in RIP get set up within literally the fifth page. It's basically the conclusion for the first major chapter of Morrison's Batman run.

But the 'prelude' isn't particularly expensive, and it's definitely fun in its own right.

(Where it gets a bit much IMO is that you should also check out Final Crisis while you're reading RIP. I eventually grew to like FC quite a bit, but it's divisive for a reason.)

u/Batdanimation · 2 pointsr/batman

Amazon

Edit for more information. Originally this was collected in two books: Batman and Son and Batman: The Black Glove. This new edition combines them into one book.

u/LaunchpadMacQ · 2 pointsr/comicbooks

I read it alone, but I recommend reading Batman & Son and The Black Glove first, because there was certainly a bit of filling in the blank I had to do during and after.

As mentioned, this edition comes with both stories.

u/TheClarknado · 1 pointr/funkopop
u/TheRear1961 · 1 pointr/DCcomics

So I guess they re-titled it to be the Batman & Son collection now.

Edit; Sorry, that was the Amazon.ca listing. If you're from the states, I'm sure you can find the same thing on Amazon.com.

u/alexthesock · 1 pointr/AskComicbooks

I would go "Batman and Son", then "Final Crisis", then "Battle for the Cowl", and then onto "Batman and Robin: Batman Reborn" and the rest of Grant Morrison's run.

u/Aitrus233 · 1 pointr/comicbooks

For Batman I can recommend:

Batman: Year One

The Long Halloween

Dark Victory

The Killing Joke

Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth

Batman vol. 1: The Court of Owls (beginning of Scott Snyder's run)

I could also recommend Grant Morrison's run, but with a warning that it eventually becomes very trippy and sometimes hard to follow. (At one point, it intersects with the Morrison penned event Final Crisis, which is a mind bending chapter in the Multiverse saga.) The whole thing is in the process of being collected in omnibi though, so there's that. But you could certainly dip your toe in with Batman and Son.

For Watchmen, just read the original comic. It's a 12 issue maxiseries that is easy enough to find in a number of different printings. It is a heavy book, so you may need to come back to it later if you're struggling to get into it.

There's also a prequel series called Before Watchmen, which I personally liked the Minutemen and Silk Spectre minis, but they're still a far cry from being as good as the original. The other minis are whatever, and really they're all entirely optional. Watchmen the book existed for decades all by its lonesome perfectly fine.

Do NOT read the pseudo-sequel Doomsday Clock unless you feel you have a good grip on DC continuity. It really does read more like an event about the DCU colliding with Watchmen, rather than a straight sequel. So going straight from Watchmen to Doomsday Clock will feel confusing.

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