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There was a book written by a black american economist about how African-American culture is actually a hold over from 18-19th century southern US redneck culture which was itself a hold over from some poor Scottish and some northern English farmer towns who emigrated en masse to the south.
These people became wealthy enough to buy slaves and black people grew up living among their culture, eventually adopting it, with their own adaptations of course, that persisted. Once they became free they eventually brought it with them as they moved into northern inner cities where it became a symbol of "blackness". It has survived longer in it's original form thanks to US social stratification that still exists today in many forms - while the middle/upper southern white culture has more generally merged with the north/west.
So we can still thank Europe for at least a part of black culture.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1594031436
Sounds like someone needs to read Black Rednecks and White Liberals
TL;DR: Thomas Sowell (who is black) explains how language and behavior that liberals describe as "authentically black" is actually derived from the culture of poor white "rednecks" who brought it with them from the Scottish Highlands.
A reply to the down-votes you are getting for stating a fact:
It is distressing in particular that many people refuse to acknowledge that over 50% of murders in the US are committed by the black minority (around 13%), as if it were some kind of embarrassing chronic racial failing instead of a consequence of lack of education and the breakdown of the family dynamic - and other issues. On a related note, how ironic is it that black Americans were growing richer as a group from the 1930's until momentum slowed dramatically in the 1960's - after the civil rights era? (Am reading black scholar Thomas Sowell's book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals")
We cannot fix the problem by pretending that our reality is only racist hate-speak. This willful ignorance I find rather terrifying because it is being manifested with such vehement, unreasoning anger.
I spent this last January in the Dominican Republic which is largely black and mixed race. Was great to be around black people who felt free to just be people and without all the silent undercurrents of fear, resentment and blame that we have in the states. The Dominicans I met live in the now, take you at face value, and were just wonderful people: cheerful, kind, hugely family oriented and as a group, amazingly good looking. But they are incredibly poor. I really don't know how they do it; they were inspiring.
Edit: Excellent series of essays on origins and ramifications of southern and northern, black and white cultures, plus more:Black Rednecks and White Liberals.
You might enjoy this book; Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Dr. Thomas Sowell it's written by a black, Harvard educated economist. He makes the argument that ghetto culture in the black community is actually white cracker culture from the antebellum South. He traces it's roots back to the Celtic fringe culture of pre-Anglicisation Scotland, Wales etc. He compares the black cultures that formed in the North under the influence of New Englanders who immigrated from the South of England (an area that was more cultured) to the black culture that formed in the Southern US under the influence of the Celtic fringe immigrants from the borderlands of England who immigrated before Anglicisation took hold in the region and led to a more educated population.
Here is the book on tape from YouTube, it's about 11 hours long.
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This explosive new book challenges many of the long-prevailing assumptions about blacks, about Jews, about Germans, about slavery, and about education. Plainly written, powerfully reasoned, and backed with a startling array of documented facts, Black Rednecks and White Liberals takes on not only the trendy intellectuals of our times but also such historic interpreters of American life as Alexis de Tocqueville and Frederick Law Olmsted. In a series of long essays, this book presents an in-depth look at key beliefs behind many mistaken and dangerous actions, policies, and trends. It presents eye-opening insights into the historical development of the ghetto culture that is today wrongly seen as a unique black identity--a culture cheered on toward self-destruction by white liberals who consider themselves "friends" of blacks. An essay titled "The Real History of Slavery" presents a jolting re-examination of that tragic institution and the narrow and distorted way it is too often seen today. The reasons for the venomous hatred of Jews, and of other groups like them in countries around the world, are explored in an essay that asks, "Are Jews Generic?" Misconceptions of German history in general, and of the Nazi era in particular, are also re-examined. So too are the inspiring achievements and painful tragedies of black education in the United States. "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" is the capstone of decades of outstanding research and writing on racial and cultural issues by Thomas Sowell.
Thomas Sowell and a number of others have argued African American hip hop culture is basically white redneck behavior, Sowell in "Black Rednecks And White Liberals" which I'm about to begin. Colin Woodward's "American Nation's" touches on this as well, as do other authors who've penned books on the topic, although his book is more about all of the regional cultures that make up our country dating back to the groups that founded those regions and how their beliefs are still resoundingly alive and well and how politicians actively exploit these differences we have between one another. There are other academics I've heard doing research like this but I'm having trouble recall their names, I heard about them in some podcasts. But, there's definitely more reading you can do to explore this idea more.
Amazon links to check out both titles I mentioned:
https://www.amazon.com/American-Nations-History-Regional-Cultures/dp/0143122029
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1502125308&sr=1-1&keywords=black+rednecks+and+white+liberals
Economic Facts and Fallacies, The Vision of the Anointed and/or Black Rednecks and White Liberals. Depending on your interests.
This phenomenon is covered in the book Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell. The basic premise is that one of the root causes for poverty is not race, but behavior.
Prior to the Civil War, there were free, moderately successful blacks living in the North. After the war, freed slaves gradually learned oafish behavior from their white trash neighbors. Then they moved north and brought their "culture" with them, slowly displacing the existing culture, which placed more of a value on marriage and education.
That might be true for a small minority of black Republicans, but the reasons Black Republicans vote GOP are varied, and the vast majority of them are very well-educated people who feel that Democrats are very [subtly] racist, reinforcing dependence and victimhood in blacks and using them to feed their savior complexes.
In fact, if you look at the largest Black church congregations, the preachers heavily endorse Democratic candidates. Over 90% of blacks vote democrats, and most of them are religious.
There are books written on this issue, as well as talks with various members of the black community.
You might want to listen to what they have to say instead of making assumptions for them, which is pretty much what the left has always done.
There is a whole series of these talks.
There are books about this by John McWhorter, Thomas Sowell
Some minorities loathe the victim complexes within their communities and the removed intellectuals in their ivory towers who tell them what they need.
EDIT thank you, for proving exactly what I said by down voting me, and proving exactly what they all express during those talks.
Assuming that all black people are a hivemind who have to vote in the exact same way. The horrifying notion that highly educated black people might have a different opinion, must be religion. They simply can't think for themselves. /s
great idea.
I recommend any book by Thomas Sowell.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Housing-Boom-Bust-Revised/dp/0465019862
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
But we need time to order the books.
Sam Harris also defends and has conversations with Charles Murray; is Sam Harris a Nazi? Thaddeus Russell also agrees with the data and he's a lefty.
If a person puts on a lab coat and tests a thousand black people and white people and finds a variance in the data are they a Nazi?
You do know that Murrays IQ findings were one part of one chapter of a 800 page publication? You do know the co-author of The Bell Curve, Herrnstein, was one of the most respected social science researchers in the country?
Have you even read the Bell Curve? or unbiased summaries? Or any of the countless interviews where Murray systematically and repeatedly explains why he is not a supremacist in any way and tirelessly walks through what the data actually means. Should we start censoring academics because we don't like their data?
If a black researcher compiles data that shows a one percent 'average' advantage on jumping ability of black people is he a 'black supremacist? If a man compiles data that men have better spatial reasoning is he a misogynist? What if a women compiles the data?
If I put a level on the ground and it gives me a flat reading and I record that on a piece of paper does that make me a flat earther?
Nazism and White Supremacy are broad political ideologies with lots of made up data and cherry picked history to warp their followers to their toxic evil ideology. IQ data is not a political ideology and acknowledging that one particular IQ data set is true does not mean you subscribe to white supremacy.
Please recognize the insanity and lack of logic in what you are clumsily trying to suggest.
Edit. You do realize that this country ended slavery, ended Jim Crow, ended segregated schools and had a civil rights movement culminating in laws that enshrine protections for minorities? Why do you see racists around every corner? You realize that there are multiple black intellectuals that give strong arguments that systemic racism is gone in the US right?
Let go of identity politics, embrace MLK Jr., Not Malcolm X.
According to the author of this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457129505&sr=8-1&keywords=black+rednecks
The bulk of white southerners can trace their ancestry to a region of England where the people were: Very religious, sexually promiscuous, prone to violence and under-valued education.
He mainly discusses how this affected black culture in the US since black and southern cultures are closely aligned but he also mentions that until the big diaspora of black southerners to the rest of the US, black northerners routinely outscored not only black southerners on school tests but also white southerners.
I think that is a terrible response, to dismiss something because of where it comes from, not because of the content it contains.
How about an 88 year old black dude who grew up in Harlem and is a senior fellow at the hoover institute?
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487638751&sr=8-1&keywords=black+rednecks+and+white+liberals
Written by a black conservative. I recently had his ideas presented to me from a liberal friend of mine.
Interesting hypothesis. There's also Thomas Sowell's book which argues that Black Americans inherited the old South's backward and violent culture of honor. I could see your suggestion fitting pretty nicely into that framework as well.
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> Poor white people sit in their trailer parks smoking meth, not conspiring to kill a guy for not respecting them.
Piggybacking on my previous thought a little. It's worth noting that, actually, whites (poor or not) did conspire to kill guys for not respecting them. But it was primarily a feature of Southern culture (think: Hatfield and McCoys and The Caning of Charles Sumner) in bygone centuries. This phenomenon was is mentioned in Gladwell's Outliers. Interestingly there is an apparent modern artifact. Namely Southern men were found to have significantly heightened responses to perceived insults. You can read more about it here: http://gladwell.com/outliers/harlan-kentucky/
So, it may be that there's a slow cultural pacification process taking place. Maybe the most violent people are/have-been removing themselves from the planet. Maybe wider norms in America are showing that it's okay to not be violent. Maybe Sowell is on to something.
It has little to do with race. The driver was black and very decent.
Read Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell for a better understanding.
His best book in my opinion is Black Rednecks, White liberals. It explores the degeneracy of black culture and how it was learned from whites in the south that brought their degenerate culture here from Scotland and England. I am black by the way. You should also read his autobiography, My Personal Odessey, so you can see how he developed his worldview. http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418434657&sr=8-1&keywords=Black+rednecks+white+liberals
Just tell them to go read https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436 to show them that way of talking came from northern England hillbillies. (Along with most of the "black culture" that seems cherished today.)
Take it up with Thomas Sowell and his book
Even Barkley called Karl a redneck.
Actually, it isn't classism so much as a statement on culture, and an acknowledgement of the economic consequences thereof.
I suggest you read Thomas Sowell's book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals.": it does an excellent job of explaining how bad culture can act to prevent upward social mobility.
In Black Rednecks and White Liberals, Thomas Sowell puts forward a pretty convincing case that the cause is that the Jews often played the role of a "middle man minority", which is to say, when they entered a culture or a society, they tended to enter into professions in which they are middle men (bankers, lawyers, etc.) rather than directly producing goods and services. Since people don't intuitively understand how such professions add genuine value, the money obtained through them was perceived as unfair rent seeking rather than genuinely earned.
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
read that, and then never worry about the rest of the world...they hated us under bush, they hated us under obama, they hate us under trump....the US has done nothing as bad as: The Germans, The British, The French, The Spanish, The gooses, The Russians, The Chinese, Continental Africa....goes on and on...Indian caste system...the difference is now that they know trump won't be impeached, they are afraid of us again.
Watch The Rubin Report on YouTube. Dave Rubin interviewed both Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson, as well as MANY of the other names I see posted by others here. He interviews people from different political, social, and economic philosophies. I even fund him on Patreon because his channel is great (and important).
 
If I had to pick three people that made the most dramatic impact on my life in terms of how I think, seek and evaluate evidence, and use reason, these people would be at the top. While the people on my list did not always agree on everything, I do believe that they are/were intellectually honest:
 
Thomas Sowell
Carl Sagan (Science-related things aside, he wrote a bit on Philosophy of thought)
Ayn Rand
I hope that helps! :)
There are other points of views from yours that I'm sure you're entirely unwilling to investigate, much less embrace. If you do decide to take your own advice and do even the smallest bit of research to discover a more nuanced opinion, you can read "Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell. he's a well-respected Harvard economist, who also happens to be black, if that matters to you.
This is a strange understanding of history imo. We should strive to be better historians. The word slave literally comes from the word slav. White people have also been enslaved and oppressed since the beginning of time as well. Even as recently as the 19th century white people were being enslaved during the barbary wars. If you want to look at the Arab slave trade it dwarfs that of the western / american slave trade and is still going on today. If the logic is that white people have been oppressing people of color more than people of color oppressing each other its just simply not true. Historically european and american whites were actually involved in the chantal / race based slave trade for the least amount of time than other groups and white puritans were the reason slavery started to become abolished. /u/Kayddps check out Black Rednecks & White Liberals by Thomas Sowell (A black economist and historian). It will blow your mind.
Speaking of wise black leaders check out Thomas Sowell https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ref=sr_1_1
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Race causing IQ and GDP also can't explain West Virginia nearly as well as memes causing them can. West Virginia has IQ of 99, higher than Canada's 97; but they have a GDP per capita of $30,000, much lower than Canada's $45,000, and there are obvious memetic differences between West Virginia and Canada that would obviously tend to hold West Virginia back. Thomas Sowell also argues that memes -- in fact the same memes that work their mischief in Appalachia -- hold back American blacks, and I already mentioned how A Farewell to Alms seems to be more an argument for memes evolving and spreading than for genes doing the same. (A Farewell to Alms claims that there was meaningful genetic change in the West in the past 1500 years; but the avoid-gluten crowd offers pretty compelling arguments that you can't have big evolutionary changes in short periods of time, so A Farewell to Alms must be documenting a form of evolution other than the one it thinks it's documenting.)
There are obviously other factors in intelligence and economic functioning (I mention nutrition below), but I think that different memes are a lot of what it comes down to -- and that outliers like Appalachia and Nigeria are arguments for a memes-first position.
Of course, beneficial and harmful memes don't mean that you have to rip out cultures wholesale and replace them. Sowell approves of New England's 19th-century cultural-replacement program for blacks, since he sees Southern black culture as a white imposition and is therefore willing to go shopping for the most useful white-imposed culture; but American Indian writers are much less enthusiastic about New England's 19th-century cultural-replacement program aimed at them, and they have a point. As A Farewell to Alms accidentally establishes, peace, stability, and a minimum of outside exploitation are enough for valuable memes to evolve -- and I'd say that doing more than that is counterproductive. The arguments for cultural diversity are the same as the arguments for ecological diversity, and I doubt that I need to rehash them here.
The after effects, sure. But I don't think you can make the case that racism is the primary thing keeping black people down today. For example, take the period between the civil war and the civil rights act of 1964. Black people advanced socially in that time period much more quickly than in the period since the civil rights act, despite the fact discrimination was both legal and extremely common, at least in the south. This tells me there's something else going on. You can see a lot of the problems that plague the black community also plague some white communities, namely crime, poverty, and drug use. Charles Murray writes about said white communities here. And they appear to have similar causes, poor work ethic, single parenthood, and so on. As Thomas Sowell points out,, black culture and redneck culture aren't as dissimilar as you might think.
You're severely moving the goal posts.
>most Black and Hispanic people in the US were brought here / came here in extreme poverty and have been kept that way for centuries, whereas most immigrants (especially more recent ones) from Asia come from wealthy families who are actually able to make the move here
Your statement doesn't talk about police policy, nor do you specifically mention post WWII. That's why the Irish were brought up to begin with. Your premise based on the words you chose, was that black/hispanic people don't have the same opportunities because of poverty and racial discrimination. These are two things which were faced by other groups as well. Groups that now flourish.
Might want to check out Black Rednecks and White Liberals
Consider looking into the book by Thomas Sowell on the matter.
Just popping in to recommend Black Rednecks and White Liberals, a collection of essays by Thomas Sowell that address these very topics. His arguments are quite convincing, as is his evidence.
Thomas Sowell
Being black allows him to write about things liberals would lynch a white man for. Read that book and you won't sleep for a few days afterwards. It's "the red pill".
Thomas Sowell's got a book that explores exactly that:
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
Well, I'm not sure where Ron Paul would direct you but Thomas Sowell makes a damn strong argument in his book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals." ( http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ )
Milton Friedman makes similar (although, obviously not identical) arguments about "Equal Pay for Equal Work" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsIpQ7YguGE
I've heard of a book that covers the cultural differences of black people to other ethnicities and the history of how the social reforms brought about by liberal Bureaucrats that gave them a specific mindset such as this, the book was Black Rednecks and White Liberals I believe...
According to Thomas sowell those beats and the rhyming scheme of rap actually stems from Celtic culture which intermingled with the free blacks during the time of the potato famine.
Since the blacks didn't have a culture of their own since it was stripped away from them they latched onto the remnant Celtic culture of the crackers
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
No. Africans were not innocent in the slave trade.
West Africa had large scale slave trading before, during and after the white man arrived.
It was Africans who enslaved their fellow Africans, selling some of them to Europeans or Arabs, and keeping others for themselves.
Even at the peak of the Atlantic slave trade, Africans retained more slaves for themselves than they sent to the Western Hemisphere.
Source: Thomas Sowell - https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-study-finds-more-evidence-poverty-traps-welfare-system
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8707652.stm
https://fee.org/articles/the-welfare-trap-labyrinth-of-programs-punishes-work/
https://nationalcenter.org/project21/2014/01/08/lbjs-war-on-poverty-hurt-black-americans/
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/lbj-vs-the-nuclear-family/
Also Thomas Sowell's terrific essay "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
Black Rednecks and White Liberals, by Thomas Sowell.
White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era, by Shelby Steele.
Black Lies Matter: Why Lies Matter to the Race Grievance Industry, by Taleeb Starkes.
Black Rednecks and White Liberals Paperback – April 24, 2006
by Thomas Sowell is a good book that goes into detail about the economic and cultural effects that create this sort of anti-government high crime areas. In it are an economic crime and education data that source it.
I think you can find a PDF version online somewhere if you don't want to buy it.
Edit: here is a Q&A where he covers some of the topics of the book if you just want to skip through it to the relevant section, to get a summary of the book.
here is a review that covers some of the content of the book if you want to look into the book before buying it.
Read this and all of Sowells other works and be enlightened
no, this is the cost of an American (Southern Scots Irish influenced) culture that embraces and celebrates violence.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.567.1720&rep=rep1&type=pdf
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jeea.12096
"The paper tests the popular hypothesis that the high prevalence of homicide in the South of the United States originates from the settlement by herders from the fringes of Britain in the 18th century. I find that historical Scots‐Irish presence is associated with higher contemporary homicide, particularly by white offenders, and that a culture of violence was transmitted to subsequent generations—but only in the South and, more generally, where historical institutional quality was low. The interpretation is that the Scots‐Irish culture of honor prevailed and persisted as an adaptive behavior to weak institutions. As institutional quality converged between the South and North over the last 200 years, the influence of the culture of honor has been fading over time. The results are robust to controlling for state fixed effects and for a large number of historical and contemporary factors, as well as to relying on instrumental variables for historical settlements. The results are also specific to a particular type of homicide and background of settlers."
Read Thomas Sowell's White Liberals and Black Rednecks to understand how that culture has poisoned much of the southern underclasses, both black and white...
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
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