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u/archangel689 · 18 pointsr/Anarcho_Capitalism

u/EvanGRogers · 5 pointsr/Libertarian

First off: you probably meant to say a "voluntary state". "Governance" and "State" are not synonyms.

After all, when you go to a movie theater, you don't talk on your cell phone (their 'governance') at the risk of being kicked out; When you go to a baseball game, you don't throw rocks at the players (their 'governance') at the risk of being kicked out.

A "voluntary state": this is an oxymoron. A state can't be voluntary because it requires that you give it money at the point of a gun.

If a state were voluntary, it would collapse overnight. If a state were voluntary, it would be a "company": the "state" would have to convince you to give it money by providing services.

A state gets its money through taxation. A tax is a price that you pay at the point of a gun -- this is not voluntary.

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That being said, if you'd like to learn more about the ideas of how a privatized system of protection would work, there are many cheap sources of information:

Stefan Molyneux

Robert Murphy

The Conscience of an Anarchist

Mises.org - a lifetime of media online for free that explains economically how governments are inefficient.

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A few favorites of mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1uPaTf2BA&amp;list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w&amp;index=803&amp;feature=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OikCTCgYKr0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ZosnxGKgk&amp;feature=bf_prev&amp;list=PLD78A4CA3338CFA7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPILhiTJv7E

Edit -- Oops, should have included this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ak3TwNXA0w&amp;list=PLSHQ57qEHuB220VA-TAMF_sY_Aki1s2Ca

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PS: It might sound like I'm evading your question. You asked "Are there any voluntary governments you would join", to which I responded "INVALID!!!".

But it's VERY important that you realize that I did NOT evade your question. It's VERY important that you realize that your question is IMPOSSIBLE.

Your question, if we change the topic, is essentially: "Evolution-ists: if Jesus drove a dinosaur over the pacific ocean last week, could humans have enough time to evolve into humans from the crocodiles in Montana?"

Hopefully, after reading that question, your brain started to hurt. It's the same thing with your OP question: because the premise is invalid, the question can't be answered without forcing an An-Cap to betray his beliefs.

u/drinkonlyscotch · 4 pointsr/Libertarian

You should read The Machinery of Freedom and/or Chaos Theory. Both books build a case for market-based alternatives to the state better than anyone will do in this thread.

However, I should also mention that Robert Nozick – who some believe to have made the best intellectual case for libertarianism in his book Anarchy, State, and Utopia – came to the conclusion that government should provide basic protective services (and only basic protective services) including police, courts, and a military. He described his ideal state as a "Night Watchman State" – and is today usually associated with minarchism. His book is the opposite of an easy read, but if you really like to nerd-out or enjoy punishment, I definitely recommend it.

In any case, my point is that academic libertarians have largely answered your questions, either by describing how a stateless society could effectively provide protective services, or by making a case for a government that is limited to providing only basic protective services.

u/bearCatBird · 1 pointr/Anarcho_Capitalism

This the one?