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I'm still with Christine Fair in saying that the entire goal, and existence of Pakistan is essentially to oppose India as the primary reason why India and Pakistan hate each other. Really the hate is a Pakistan military policy, otherwise, without competition, the entire military rule of Pakistan falls.
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I honestly don't know why I'm being down-voted. This a fairly common, and accepted idea that Pakistan's real power, and influence does not come from the civilian government, but rather from the Military. That is in a Republic policy is driven by a civilian government, but it is absolutely evident that Pakistan's policy fundamentally, even under civilian rule, is driven by the threat of the military. And the sole purpose and goal of the Pakistani military complex is to oppose India. That is extremely evident in their behavior. Otherwise the military complex, and the vested power fails. That is why you have so many coups in Pakistan throughout its history.
The fundamental reason why Pakistan hasn't developed and progressed as a Republic is precisely because the PakMil complex sees it as detrimental to its power and influence within the country.
I suggest people read the article I posted below and read Christine Fair's book Fighting To The End.
> Saudia Arabia's basically said if Iran gets nukes, Pakistan will sell some of theirs to them.
Let me add a little more nuance to what you said. It is correct that Saudis have said that.
What is not well known, Pakistan is Saudi's back stopper in case things go titsup in RSA. Notice each year, RSA gives some 2-5B$ of aid to Pakistan. That doesn't come without strings. The tacit understanding is that the rent boys will do as told.
And in the RSA air force, there are a number of PAkistani pilots that are good on the F16s that are being denied to Pakistan. Notice that Pakistan does not complain too much on the US's embargo on the F16 spares and parts? They practice in RSA through the hiring of pilots in the military.
RSA provides teh money and the cover.
Pakistan,the mechanic and delivery boys of KABOOM
What's not to like about it?
And they're a notch less than ISIS, that's about it.
http://www.amazon.com/Fighting-End-The-Pakistan-Armys/dp/0199892709
You really need to read this book.
> Fair argues that the Pakistan Army’s revisionist agenda is restricted not only to wresting Jammu and Kashmir from India but also in preventing India’s “inevitable if uneven ascendance” in South Asia and beyond. Unlike conventional armies which seek only to protect territorial boundaries, the Pakistani Army, Fair argues, has taken upon it to protect the country’s ideological frontiers as defined by Islam.
> Seen from Pakistan’s perspective ceaseless attempts at taking Kashmir by force appear rational even if they are not so in terms of the real world challenge it faces from India. Fair argues that for the Pakistan Army, defeat does not lie in its failure to win Kashmir despite its numerous unsuccessful attempts; defeat will be the point when it stops trying. Therefore, failed attempts are just “honourable and brave Muslims” fighting against “meek, pusillanimous and treacherous Hindus”. Fair, who has extensively researched the Pakistan Army’s publications, has found this to be the common theme in writings of senior army officers. Pakistan Army Green Books are replete with arguments of why the Hindu Indian army poses a threat to a resource-wise weaker, but conviction-wise stronger Muslim Pakistan. Even though this portrayal is incorrect, as the Indian army is multi-religious, it is accepted and propagated because it fits in perfectly with the Pakistan Army’s ideological fight.
Does her book has any proofs or tales quoted out of context?
Attention whoring is the term we should for such writers.
If her book is good enough, with research, valid data, it will auto sell, without need of any media marketing.
People might be interested in this book:
http://www.amazon.in/Fighting-End-Pakistan-Armys-Way/dp/0199892709
Dude, your clown nation of Islamic republic of Pakistan fosters a zoo of radical islamic terrorists and exports them to all countries in the region and beyond.
To understand how fucked up your clown of an army please read Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War.
If your clown army has been fighting them for 12 years, as you claim, they must really be incompetent. Why the fuck are they fight then for 12 long years? You cant have it both ways. You cant say you are fighting them and then claim plausibl denaibility. Some one in your fucked up country is giving them safe haven. Just like OBL, just like MO.
People of Pakistan are being taken a wild ride by the pakistan elite/army and the religious Islamic nut bags are just fuel on the fucking fire. Wake the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. Thank you for the recommendation.
Link to book for anyone else interested: http://www.amazon.com/Fighting-End-The-Pakistan-Armys/dp/0199892709
>>terrorists living in Pakistan who came from Afghanistan caused the attack
Number of sources of your claim is NULL.
Keep believing your ignorant propaganda fed to you
>>Kashmir is a very complex issue Pakistan army is wrong in using terrorists but both countries claim the territory to be theirs.
HAVE YOU READ THE UN RESOLUTION, ALL THE CAUSES ?
Not even a SINGLE PAKISTANI HAS EVEN READ THE UN RESOLUTION AND ALL THE THREE CLAUSES OF IT, OF 1948.
Kashmir is not a Issue, There is no BOTH, It is India.
period, nobody has any right on Kashmir expect India
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This is what the Pakistani Propaganda is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aoYNQrOOu0
Full video link below.
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Here is something to counter Pakistani Propaganda about the fictions lies floating around in Pakistani Minds.
Pakistan begged the USA for it's intervention into Afghanistan in the pretext of Indian incursion.
Most pakistani claim that, the USA's war is has left Pakistan as a victim, but that is far from truth, Pakistan Begged the USA in 1970.
Glad that It will Clear something up.
You see Pakistan Is not a country and it's people are dumb and brainwashed, not few, but all of them, by the army.
It is a feedback loop, first they brain wash and then they act to justify their actions.
Hence Pakistani people will remain dumb and brain washed by army run schools.
https://www.amazon.com/Fighting-End-Pakistan-Armys-Way/dp/0199892709/175-6009192-9167659?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3DIOjTmX0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjnrETPDuls
I read UNSCR 80 [http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/80].
India was an abstention. India never agreed to it.
What India did agree to was the original resolution 47 [http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/47] according to which Pakistani nationals and armymen should withdraw from the state.
In her book Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War, [https://www.amazon.ca/Fighting-End-Pakistan-Armys-Way/dp/0199892709] Christine Fair writes:
"...it is also true that Pakistan never fulfilled the first requirement, to demilitarize, on which the rest of the process hinged (Ganguly 2001; Nawaz 2008a, 2008b; Whitehead 2007). Oddly, while many Pakistanis continue to insist that the plebiscite be held, Pakistan was not enthusiastic about the idea when India first suggested it in 1948(Wirsing 1998). Equally important, most contemporary Pakistani commentators have forgotten (or simply choose to ignore) that Pakistan-not India-failed to fulfill the first, necessary, (if insufficient) condition for the now much desired plebiscite, making Pakistan unable to blame India alone for its failure to meet subsequent obligations. It should be noted that in my varied interactions with Pakistanis in and out of uniform, I have never met a single individual who can recount what UNSCR 47 actually demanded of both states even though many Pakistanis continue to insist on its implementation."
It may be noted that even if India were to agree to a plebiscite as per UN resolutions, it has to be held in the whole of the state, which includes the part under Pakistani control and the part ceded to China. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Pakistan_Agreement]
The Sino-Pakistan Agreement (also known as the Sino-Pakistan Frontier Agreement and Sino-Pak Boundary Agreement) is a 1963 document between the governments of Pakistan and China establishing the border between those countries. It resulted in China ceding over 1,942 to 5,180 square kilometres (750 to 2,000 sq mi) to Pakistan[citation needed] and Pakistan recognizing Chinese sovereignty over hundreds of square kilometers of land in Northern Kashmir and Ladakh.
I realize that there's some controversy regarding this. Pakistanis claim that they never controlled those lands. Whether or not they controlled it, it formed part of the land under consideration by UN. Chinese have told India that it was an agreement between two sovereign nations and to forget about it.
Why did Pakistan cede a huge part of the land it regards as unfinished agenda of Partition?
Why has Pakistan annexed the area of Kashmir under its occupation? Why did it assume that this is what the population wants? Why did it not hold a referendum ?
If the plebiscite were to be agreed:
(a) would they get the land back from China?
(b) unpopulate area occupied by them of their own nationals and allow only Kashmiris to participate?
In 1954, Pakistan and US signed a mutual defence assistance agreement. Nehru withdrew the plebiscite offer to Pakistan. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Kashmir_conflict#1950]
Why didn't Pakistan agree to the terms of the UN council resolutions from 1950 to 1954?
Why does Pak offer "moral" support to those who conduct terrorist acts in India? [https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/spotlight/kashmirtheforgottenconflict/2011/06/2011615113058224115.html]
Please do read a bit more - Kashmir is just a proxy, root cause is religious. After Kashmir it'll be Punjab, then other states. Pakistan is a terrorist nation and has been involved in terrorism since it's inception.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleed_India_with_a_Thousand_Cuts
"We will wage 1000 wars against India" - Bhutto
https://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Delusions-Pakistan-History-Misunderstanding/dp/1610393171
https://www.amazon.com/Fighting-End-Pakistan-Armys-Way/dp/0199892709
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>Why can't they? Maybe provide some proof.
Official aid from the US has to go through the congress and is recorded. If you are claiming that aid came in from non-documented sources please provide evidence.
>There is just as much proof here. The US would never admit to any of this because Zia is responsible fore exporting extremism to other muslim lands.
No there is not. You are just being nostalgic. They did admit to funding the 1953 coup in Iran and many coups in Latin America. So any evidence to back your claim would be nice.
>He was hated by the US but they still needed Pakistan as a buffer zone. But they absolutely hated Bhutto.
Evidence please.
>Proof that Ayub Khan started islamization?
Try reading some research literature regarding this. In this book some evidence regarding what I claimed is presented.