Reddit reviews Gyokucho Razorsaw Ryoba Saw 180mm No. 291
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This blade can be removed and replacedBlade length 7"Overall length 15"Tilted handle allows access to awkward placesCompact enough to fit in tool bag
Gyokucho 770-3600 Razor Ryoba Saw with Blade https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CEF5HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_GgcdBb1XA4TW8
You'll end up replacing almost everything here. Look at the classifieds in your area for quality used tools. If you want a pull saw I'd get this one: https://www.amazon.com/Gyokucho-770-3600-Razor-Ryoba-Blade/dp/B000CEF5HM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1483422693&sr=8-3&keywords=gyokucho
I've never had luck with making accurate cuts using an oscillating tool.
Have you considering a saw?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CEF5HM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This is a very good pull-saw, and at a good price point, too.
EDIT: An oscillating tool is still useful to have though, the harbor freight variable speed item goes on sale for $25 pretty frequently.
I would NOT buy that set if I were you. I am a professional woodworker (cabinet maker and custom design-build furniture)... You want tools that are well made and are going to last- Ryobi is well know as a throw-away maker.
You are going to have to spend more than a couple hundred bucks and you are going to get less tools... But less is more in this case, since you won't be buying all of these again WHEN they break.
Rather than the chopsaw you would do well to pick up a good Ryobi and Dozuki... https://www.amazon.com/Gyokucho-770-3600-Razor-Ryoba-Blade/dp/B000CEF5HM , https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001DSY7G6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480972626&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=dozuki&dpPl=1&dpID=31x%2BPWWVK4L&ref=plSrch
There are many options for both- bit basically, they are versatile, relatively inexpensive, and once you get the hang of it, they are easy and accurate as hell- you'll want a chopsaw, for sure, but can get by with these until you make some cash to reinvest... Plus you'll want a couple good handsaws anyway, no matter what... The rigid spine Dozuki is for dovetails and other joinery, while the floppy saw has rip teeth on one side and crosscut on the other for a wide variety of cuts. They have very thin kerfs, and pull stroke (eastern) saws are MUCH more ergonomic and easy to use (try pushing a string in a straight line and then try pulling it..)... And as a bonus, they are quiet and don't need electricity. :)
Do get yourself a nice drill/driver set... I would recommend deWalt, Makita, or Milwaukee for their ready availability and price/quality ratios. This set will probably cost as much as the whole set you were looking at... But it will be worth it because they will last you a very long time. Also, having a drill AND driver will save you a lot of time- you can pre-drill/countersink with the drill, and then drive fasteners with the drive and not was time looking for and changing tips constantly.
The only things in that kit that aren't covered are the reciprocating saw and the light. I'd recommend just picking up a decent head lamp, as trying to work by a hand held flashlight is pretty much impossible if you're already using your hands to work... As for the recip- I'd hit Craigslist or something and find a used one.. they are pretty simple machines and as long as the motor works and you've got a nice blade, it's all good...
You'll also really want a low angle block plane and a router... With only the tools mentioned above, along with a couple of shop made jigs and fixtures, there isn't really anything you can't build.... I'd recommend a router from porter-cable or nicer- Bosch is good... At 1 3/4 horsepower min... And for the block plane, it depends on what you're willing to spend, but Lie Nielson is my recommendation.... Wood River is also good. Stanley is okay, but you'll REALLY have to put in work on the cutter and the soul before you get any kind of good results... And the cutter steel is pretty cheap and thin.. anyway, good luck!
Ryoba Saw: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CEF5HM/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
By far my most used saw in the shop. The lack of spine means you can cut all the way through things and also makes it perfect for flush cutting (lay it flush against the surface and press the flat of the blade into the surface as you draw it back and forth. Takes no effort). The two different sized teeth let you do fine or aggressive cuts. I've cut PVC pipe, big ass oak logs (though obviously if you're cutting logs you want a bigger saw but for one-off this worked) and every thing in between. I bent the corner of it when I was really thrashing it and just bent it back with pliers and it's good as new
Hard to beat Narex for the price.
Good set with the basics
A little nicer set
Planes are harder on a budget, the cheapest that is pretty likely to be good out of the box is the bench dog, but I'd try to find a stanley #5 to restore first.
For fine woodworking hand saws, pretty hard to beat a japanese ryoba and dozuki on a budget.
See this comment for a budget sharpening setup for the chisels and plane irons.
A saw.
Japanese saws
I picked the one below up and it cuts to a finished edge just looking from something bigger(lower tpi) for large stock.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CEF5HM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Something like this is what you need. https://www.amazon.com/Gyokucho-770-3600-Razor-Ryoba-Blade/dp/B000CEF5HM
Supercheap for clamps.
Bunnings for chisels. They have a three-pack or Trojan branded chisels that are actually not bad and hold and edge well when sharpened correctly. I think my set was $25. The Trojan rubber mallet is less than $10, I think, and perfectly serviceable.
I can't find the exact set on the site at the moment, but probably these will be okay too.
For beginners saws, I'd recommend the mini Ryoba. Mine is still on it's original blade and has done heaps of work, but still like new.
For very fine work, you can't beat a cheap Dozuki saw.
Of course, using chisels fucking sucks if they aren't sharp. Like properly sharp, not just ground roughly on a bench grinder or whatever crap oil stone came with a set.
Fortunately, honing guides are cheap as, and super good for people starting out.
Unfortunately, cheaping out on sharpening stones will mean crappy results if you're doing joinery.
The best bang for buck I've found is this diamond plate. #300 side grit for re-adjusting bevels, #1000 side to start your polish and actual sharpening. Having the base holder thing with it is super-useful. Just don't use water on it, use glass cleaner.
With this plate you can get things pretty sharp, but for getting your polish and micro bevel game on for stupid sharp, these look pretty good for the money.
Personally I use a large #8000 King stone, then a leather strop with rubbing compound.
What have we missed?
Let me start by saying that this would be the bare minimum. This is assuming that you have all the experience to use these tools effectively as someone who has the appropriate skill and knows to do things like not bear down on a saw when cutting, keeping everything square, how to mill boards by hand, how to not kill sandpaper in a few strokes, how to tune and sharpen a hand plane, ETC.
2x$8.69Vise grips Two vise grip clamps. Clamps can be universally adjusted and clamped in almost any direction with some quick thinking. One is never enough.
$9.99Cheap set of chisels Everyone needs a chisel. These will be made from a milder steel, but it's better than nothing.
$22.00Generic ryoba saw A ryoba saw will double for crosscuts and ripcuts. They go as far as you can take them provided you treat them right.
$18.62Bench Plane You need to be able to take down material in terms of thickness. A simple bench plane will due for now.
$20.61Block Plane A block plane will help slightly with end grain smoothing where the bench plane cannot.
$3.47Bundled Sandpaper You need to finish your products somehow. I would get a generic bundle of sandpaper and use it sparingly and tenderly.
$12.85Square Keeping things square is vital.
$6.79Mallet Hammering your chisels is going to be very important since you cannot use a 2x4 reliably.
$3.47Wood Glue Need to be able to glue things together.
$11.80A set of card scrapers Remove material smoother and faster. You don't want to waste sandpaper if you don't have to, and these are quite versatile.
$8.06A bastard file A bastard file will do for now when it comes to heavier shaping and sharpening your card scrapers.
$15.92A small drill viseKeeping something secure in place is very important. A small vise will accommodate small and narrow pieces of lumber and can be bolted to a bench.
$3.97Assorted finer sandpapers You need something to keep your chisels constantly sharp, especially when it is such a mild steel as a set of 9.99 chisels.
$15.59Wipe on polyurethane You need to be able to finish your products somehow.
Comes to $170.52 I would use the rest to make a bench and two sawhorses out of some 2x4's.
You can definitely wood work in an apartment! I live in a high rise and it's my favorite hobby - you just have to adapt, and scale down what you make. I make a lot of boxes and other small pieces (stand for my iMac, shaver holder, drawer organizers, cactus planters, etc...)
My "workbench" is a small side table that I set up my miter box on top of. The miter box is screwed to a 14 inch 1x6 inch board, which I clamp to the table. I try to buy pieces of wood that are already the width I want, because ripping by hand is extremely difficult. I also try to work with pieces less than 1/2 inch thickness. I use a Japanese back-saw that has one side for cross-cutting and one side for ripping. It cuts through walnut like butter!
I also have a mini router table that I built with a kit for my Bosch Colt trim router, and a random-orbit sander. My regular vacuum is my dust collection.
Apartment woodworking is awesome because it forces you to focus on detailed, small projects, and adapt to the challenges of a limited indoor space. My friends ask my how I get my mitered corners so perfect...it's because I practice over and over and over again, and try different techniques (by the way even if you own a table saw, you should be cutting box miters with a chamfer router bit).
The first boxes I made sucked, but now I'm getting to the point where I'm actually excited to share my projects. If you manage your expectations and stick with it, apartment woodworking is a really fulfilling hobby.
There will be people that disagree, because to some extent it is about preference, and it also depends on what, exactly you do. Having said that, I'll give you a run down of stuff I either had when I started, or use frequently, or serves multiple purposes, etc.
Other than that, it really depends on what you want to do. I left out power tools except for a drill because when I started I couldn't even afford that and used my dad's. I never like when people give starter lists that include table saws and stuff, because if I had seen that on a woodworking starter list I would have been turned away. You can start with cheap stuff and make good pieces, it just takes a little longer and a lot more elbow grease.
Have home depot do the big, straight cuts, then go to town for the wheel wells and things:
https://www.amazon.com/Gyokucho-770-3600-Razor-Ryoba-Blade/dp/B000CEF5HM/ref=sr_1_8?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1536066924&sr=1-8&keywords=hand+saw
Are you meaning brand? or type?
I orginally started with the dozuki and ryoba from this store at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Gyokucho-770-3600-Razor-Ryoba-Blade/dp/B000CEF5HM/ref=sr_1_1
For $20 each, they were fantastic - highly recommend trying one if you want an inexpensive trial with japanese saws.
After that, I moved on to toolsfromjapan.com - they've got a slightly better/more expensive range of saws - but you can still get a very good Gyokucho brand saw there for a very reasonable price. (About $40-50 each)
Is this the saw you are referencing?
The Samurai Carpenter has an explanation of these saws that I've found helpful. He also uses them frequently in his YouTube videos so there is a ton of inspiration.
https://youtu.be/Ct4S6DGqGkY
I recently saw a video from Jonathan Katz-Moses with some helpful tips.
https://youtu.be/9eLdh5IAhXA
Here's the saw I bought. It does rip cuts and cross cuts and has a replaceable blade. It's also a manageable enough size that I can easily control it. I bought a (more expensive) saw for a friend of mine who admired my saw and enjoyed using it and his saw has a longer handle with a more traditional wrapped handle. I prefer my smaller saw. I think my friend's saw is basically wall art at this point.
Gyokucho Razorsaw Ryoba Saw 180mm No. 291 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CEF5HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_FDN3DbTRXDKPW
These are great saws. I just got a lot of practice with mine building a new workbench. They take some practice so get one and just start cutting stuff. They cut remarkably fast and easy.