Reddit reviews Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity's Greatest Thinker

>Hitler also had a great deal of problems with cultural Marxists. Like Peterson, he despised socialists.

Oh no! Everyone who hates socialism is a Nazi!

> Peterson’s idea that you have to put your house in order before getting politically involved is designed to stop young people (who are generally left-leaning) from entering politics.

The idea that young people should act as individuals to improve their lives is horrible, I know. Literal Nazism!

> Peterson has worked for PragerU, a reactionary organization with politics indistinguishable from Hitler.

Yes, PragerU is preparing the concentration camps for the Jews right now, you figured it all out!

> Peterson is a climate denier, meaning that the extermination of the entirety of the human race is okay with him, so long as he makes a buck first.

Such a shame that the Nazis were actually known for their environmentalist policies then. Probably the only good thing that the Nazis ever did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany

> Self-proclaimed Nazis and Trump supporters have claimed Peterson as one of their own. There’s nothing wrong with calling people Nazis when they’re actually Nazis.

Like who? The alt-right seems to hate Peterson. A famous alt-righter Vox Day has written a whole book attacking Peterson. https://www.amazon.com/Jordanetics-Journey-Humanitys-Greatest-Thinker-ebook/dp/B07JY9XV38

Peterson is a charlatan.

Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity's Greatest Thinker https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JY9XV38/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2Vc9BbT6JC07P

Don't listen to his meaningless word salad.

Cf Jordanetics
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The guy is a psychological basketcase & a total "bafflegab" bullshit-slinging scamming-con-artist, snake oil salesman... media selected & promoted controlled opposition... an utter and complete FRAUD.

P.S. Also he's a "pathetic weasel."

>I’m a smart person. Really smart, actually, and very expensively educated!

Stopped reading right there, then re-opened the tab and browsed through the rest of what he was complaining about. Not sure if Milo was trying to toot his own horn or just upset that he doesn't get the same praise from JP as he once did. Also somewhat surprised (but not really, seen this coming since his rise to the spotlight) that there are books critiquing JP as a "narcissist, a charlatan, and an intellectual con man who doesn't even bother to learn the subjects upon which he lectures" which undoubtedly contains just as much misrepresentation as all the other hit pieces. Even less surprising is it is only about $7 which is enough for people to buy to reinforce their already skewed views and not feel bad about wasting their money, and inexpensive enough that the author can feel validated about writing it as the sales go up. What a weird win/win situation they have created.

This is an excerpt from a book by Vox Day called Jordanetics.

I'm not sure how I feel about a notorious white supremacist tearing into a notorious transphobe and charlatan. Mildly positive, I guess. Maybe I'll torrent it or see if the local library has a copy.

>I keep hearing that name, who is that guy?

Find out more here.

I think I saw something about that somewhere in the middle of one of Vox Day's lengthy condemnations of JBP (online, not the whole book he wrote on the topic).

Maybe someone will clone him. He is loaded now.

> what are his other flaws?

So I smelled his farts and he very much smells like a human.

I like him overall but ...

In how many ways does he stink? Let me count the ways ...

While his verbal ability is undoubtedly high, his tech skills/thinking is limited by his own admission. He tried to answer a question on Quora about the speed of light using the verbal part of his brain and it was painful to read. He confused very fast with instantaneous. I can't give a good answer on the spot either and I have taken more physics classes than Peterson did, but something I would not do is talk out of my ass on the subject. The internet is full of answers to at least some answers. I would just link to a good one if I could find it within a reasonable amount of time.

By the same token I would not trust his knowledge of statistics. I would suspect that he knows just enough of it to get a paper published. Psychology students take a class called stats for psych majors or something to that effect and it is a horrible memorization fest that is hard for an NT to get through. Take one step into the unknown territory and you are lost because you never understood it in the first place. Lots of people don't really get statistics, even engineers sometimes. I suck at it right now but I could get better if necessary. Though Peterson himself admits that much of psychology is quackery, he does have faith it psychometrics - things that you can measure. Problem is - you have to be aware of the limits of your knowledge. Peterson praises the IQ test highly. It has a high correlation - like .5 or something like that which by psych standards is very high. First of all, that's not high at all. Secondly, it is just correlation.

Nassim Taleb took a shot on the IQ tests recently. While he uses plenty of logical fallacies, his overall message stands. https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

If Peterson is happy with relatively low correlations in general, I wonder just how much of his academic work is useful. I do not have the time to try to figure it out. Got better things to do with my time.

• He follows the so-called "alt-right diet". Ok, that's a joke. He basically eats just beef and water and hardly anything else. His daughter follows the same diet and does not take vitamins and blogs about it. Well, that seems dumb. She is gaining followers. Humans are omnivores who can't synthesize vitamin C and therefore rely on it being in the diet along with other vitamins. Sure, Inuit people also eat mostly deer meat but they eat the whole thing including organs, they also eat seals and whale and those store vitamins in their fat. Inuit also eat plants whenever they can, which is not often but happens. And finally, they could have evolved to be different over several thousands of years. Peterson should be taking vitamin supplements and so should his daughter and they should warn people about scurvy and other deficiencies.
  
  
• You can't take much of what he says literally. He "literally" did not sleep for 30 days. Bullshit! He would die.
  
  He likes to use metaphors like "the eagles are all eyes" (while teaching human psych to undergrads). This is a bullshit artsy-fartsy statement, not a matter of fact. Nothing against artists or comedians or otherwise creative people BUT you have to separate the metaphors and fucking around from trying to build an argument. Sneaking metaphors into a cause and effect kind of conversations should generally be an illegal move.
  
  
• His definition of the word "truth" is uber-confusing and allows mixing things that should not really be mixed: facts and stories, arguments and metaphors. Pick one world or another. Don't just slide in and out of the rational territory. Peterson has one foot firmly planted in the rational-ish world and one in the irrational. His arguments better be scrutinized. Sam Harris was right not to let him get away with his own definitions.
  
  
• Peterson claimed that dolphins aren't that smart because they can't manipulate their world very well. Their snouts is all they have. Well shit, what about living in social groups and having a sophisticated language? Intelligence shows up in species in unexpected places. Octopi are fucking smart and they evolved from very dumb mollusks. He is trying to use his intuition and he failed. Some birds are very smart and some - not as much. It depends on their specific path of evolution. There are many variables at play - not mere presence of hands or tentacles.
  
  
• He often claims that the Christian cross symbolizes the intersection of infinite and finite. Oh really? Here we go with artsy fartsy reasoning again. He pulled that straight out of his anus. How about a cross is one of the simplest shape you can make with two sticks and if the sticks are large enough, you can make it resemble a human and nail a person to it. I want to troll him and ask him what does the shape of an airplane symbolize? I am sure that he will think about it intensely and come up with something convoluted and his followers would swallow it. I don't feel like paying $300 just to see him.
  
  
• He spoke about the interpretation of dreams and he believes in that stuff. I listened to his interpretation of his dream he once had (can't find that clip) involving several hurricanes moving through the ocean. He read very carefully into the meaning of the number of them and how they moved, etc. he made as much sense as the bullshit artists who are trying to sell you a black painted square for a few million bucks. It's just a fucking square!!! And his dreams are just that. They can be interpreted in MANY ways. Somehow he is sure of his interpretation.
  
  
• He opined on the Brett Kavanaugh controversy and it was a shit show. He should have kept quiet on the subject.
  
  
• He has gone mainstream. if he is charging $300 per ticket, he is raking in millions per month. He pretty much stopped doing anything other than lectures and books. I think (my subjective opinion) that he is moving fast toward being an out of touch intellectual who has not done anything in practice in a while. Having $ does not make him evil but I do not think he is providing equal value to the millions of confused young men who do not have a father figure and who have been plastered with feminist propaganda from all directions to confuse them even further. Given that he is interpreting the bible rather subjectively and is getting paid a lot to do so, it is borderline quackery. I strongly prefer capitalism to communism but the overwhelming majority of those who made money are not John Galt. Plenty of "MeToo" business models bring revenue. Plenty of companies sell shit that people do not actually need but aggressive marketing combined with the gullibility of da masses brings in the bacon. They have not technically stolen but I'm not going to congratulate those who made the money that way. Anyway, Peterson has now gone on some mainstream shows and in the process he had to sign some of his freedom away. Maybe he thinks it is worth it. Owen Benjamin talked on this topic and his CAA (not CIA) conspiracy theory. Sounds interesting but given Owen's erratic behavior as of late, a lot of what he says needs to be taken with a large dose of lithium salts. That said, I am almost always curious what a semi-bipolar creative person (like Owen) has to say. Interesting ideas rarely come from totally sane people.
  
  
• I do not know how credible this part is but apparently JBP pissed off enough people (mostly Christians who do not like his interpretation of The Book and also some alt-right antisemites) so that a book was written discrediting him. https://www.amazon.com/Jordanetics-Journey-Humanitys-Greatest-Thinker-ebook/dp/B07JY9XV38
  
  Vox Day, the author is a self-styled genius (and so is Owen) who runs a social media echo chamber (and so does Owen, well sort of). They "got" Peterson on the "Jewish Question" (as in no - Jews aren't smarter than the rest, they are just conspiring and prefer their own). Of course they are loonies but if an entire book was written about him, then maybe there is some truth to it, even if it is 10 or even 5%. I have not read the book though.
  
  I am sure there are other things. Peterson once congratulated a leftist attempt to appeal to the working class when they made some moderate propaganda video. I can't find a video now. I thought it was lame. It was still shit propaganda, but a milder form of it. The enemy is trying to adapt and to look more palatable and less threatening. Their trick is so fucking transparent. Fuck that! 30% shit is still shit. Peterson should have called their bullshit but he did not.
  
  Also some of his arguments start in a weird place. To quote/paraphrase Doug Stanhope, let's start the argument where it starts.
  
  It should be: you can't have my freedom to speak, my freedom to protect myself with a gun, you can't have my stuff because ... go fuck yourself! That's where the argument starts. Not - well if you aren't free to speak then how can you develop sophisticated ideas? Yeah like that argument works with Stalinists. Why try to negotiate with someone who plans on doing the immoral? Peterson kind of does that. I understand that persuasion matters and raw power can be off-putting but he sometimes starts in a weird place.
  
  I've written enough. I think I covered the most important points.
  

This is how "popular" Peterson is with "the right":

Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity's Greatest Thinker

He condemns personal attacks as a substitute for criticism of ideas yet calls Vox Day

> "a rather reprehensible individual"

dismissing him as an "ethno-nationalist" without defining it, explaining what's wrong with it,
or why he thinks Vox Day adheres to it.

I think this might be what Peterson is on about:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html

I also suspect my posting of this article was the final straw which led to me being banned from the Quillette Facebook group.

His Kiwi host claims Peterson has

> "a remarkable ability to play the ball, not the man, or woman".


EDIT - no, he's on about this critique by Vox Day - https://www.amazon.com/Jordanetics-Journey-Humanitys-Greatest-Thinker-ebook/dp/B07JY9XV38

I haven't read it yet.