Reddit reviews Jung's Seminar on Nietzsche's Zarathustra

In jungian terms, and, Jung talks at some length about this in his seminars on Nietzsche's Zarathustra, Nietzsche lacked a connection to his "Anima", his inferior function and in turn the unconscious.

(https://www.amazon.com/Jungs-Seminar-Nietzsches-Zarathustra-Jarrett/dp/0691017387/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1472918280&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=Carl+Jung+Zarathrustra)

This is the abridged version and is only around 350 pages of what, in its full form, is a whopping 1500 pages. I think its important to keep that in mind while reading.


Anyway, remember we talked about Sensing and Emotion to be Nietzsche's inferior functions. If we look at his life, his chronic illnesses (sensing) and his incredible loneliness(emotion), as many of his friends deserted him later in life, and his love of his life did not accept his love, we can see where his life lacked a strong connection to his philosophy.

Was Nietzsche a Dionysian anywhere else than in his philosophy? At one point, I believe, he had a good strong friend group. But nearer to the end of things, he was incredibly isolated, awkward as hell, and spent a lot of the time watching others in beautiful places. With this in mind, Jung talks about the Apollonian archetype as being an over intellectualized character, not necessarily in the soulless, over rational sense we know nowadays, but in the strongly spiritual/intuitive, bigger than life, on top of the mountains (6000 feet above good and evil) sort of way. Someone who cannot connect with others because hes caught up in intellectual spiritual realms or head spaces. Nietzsche fell into a sort of Enantiodromia, which, is a jungian term to describe being so one-sided that you fall into the opposite side of the spectrum. He lived the apollo life style, that was so part of his age, too the extent that he espoused the anti-thesis, the Dionysus lifestyle.

Nietzsche was a profound thinker and poet, a prototype of the psychologist par excellence. He could see other peoples projections easily, but never his own. With this in mind, lets look at the 'ugliest man'. In other-words, the ugliest man, is the normal man, and was always Nietzsche's shadow, as shown in much of his writing, and especially Thus Spoke Zarathustra. He wanted to be anything but, but paradoxically, it is what he wanted most at times. It is the normal man who experiences the sensing and the emotional aspects of life, which are crucial for a wholesome life. It is the normal man who actually exist in other-words. This is what Nietzsche's unconscious, his Anima, theoretically longed for. To be loved, to be normal, to be amongst other men. Nietzsche story is, fittingly, very tragic. I find that the people that are very steeped in Nietzschean thought tend to identify with too much with a strict Dionysian nihilism. Which is a shame, because I think Nietzsche, though very much birthed the concept, didn't think people would of interpreted like many do. That is, many get to caught up in the intellect and debase every experience, which lifts them up just enough to isolate them from others and just enough to fall down hard into the abyss they made for themselves. Its a vicious cycle! Perhaps getting more down to earth, forgetting his theories and the problems of society, and just feeling and sensing, would be a good way to compensate for this one-sided life style.


All this being said, take this with a grain of salt. I am not a a philosophy major who focused on Nietzsche, but my brother is. So I have had the honor to butt heads with him my entire life on these ideas, which is not to say I haven't read a good deal myself, and don't have a lot of respect for Nietzsche! (and again, sorry for writing so much, I probably over did it)

Carl Jung has been, in many quarters, a significant influence on occultism, although he hasn't been directly acknowledged by the big chaos magick writers that I've noticed. Nietzsche was a big influence upon Jung's thought which has been noticed and written about lately:

http://www.amazon.com/Jungs-Seminar-Nietzsches-Zarathustra-Jarrett/dp/0691017387/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417962404&sr=8-1&keywords=nietzsche+and+jung

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https://www.amazon.com/Jungs-Seminar-Nietzsches-Zarathustra-Jarrett/dp/0691017387

does anyone know where I can find the complete jung's seminar on zarathustra online?

Jung's Seminar on Nietzsche's Zarathustra https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691017387/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_wVQOBbQYJ7MFC

It’s about $20 used. You may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere. Maybe search Abe.