Reddit reviews Logitech G203 Prodigy RGB Wired Gaming Mouse – Black

D.Va and Wrecking Ball are good picks to start out with. You already understand their kits and how to play them, so you'll only have to focus on adjusting to mouse and keyboard. And they aren't the most aim-intensive heroes, so that's nice.

Do you have a good mouse? If you're still using some crappy wireless mouse, please do yourself a favor and get a wired gaming mouse such as the Logitech G203 Prodigy. It's not expensive, will be more accurate, and will give you a lot more options to adjust sensitivity in its software. Also, get a mousepad at least this big. It's worth it.

Once you have a good mouse, you need to turn off acceleration and change your mouse settings to ensure you'll have the most consistent performance. Go to control center>mouse>pointer options. Copy what mine look like in this image. Make sure "enhance pointer precision" is unchecked and your speed ticks are at the right position. You might think this feels weird to navigate with, but you'll get used to it. Your mouse is now reading your movement based on the distance you move your hand instead of speeding up/slowing down your pointer relative to how fast you move your hand. This makes for more accurate tracking in the long run. And before you nerds start attacking me, YES, I am aware that this step is not necessary for Overwatch, because Overwatch already uses raw mouse input. But trust me, turning off acceleration for your entire computer will help you develop proper muscle memory even outside OW. It's worth it if you plan on PC gaming at all. Most games don't use raw input by default.

Now go into your gaming mouse software and adjust the DPI until you feel more in-control of your movements. I recommend 1000 DPI for navigating around your desktop. This will likely feel sluggish if you're new to PC. You can go higher if you want, but keep in mind that most skilled players use a base DPI lower than 1000, especially for the more aim-intensive heroes (but you can adjust OW separately, as you'll see in a second). The slower it feels, the more space you have to work with when aiming, which results in more precise movements. If your DPI is too high, your crosshair will be flailing around like crazy because even the smallest movement will throw off your aim.

Now go into the settings in Overwatch and adjust your mouse sensitivity there. This is entirely separate from your gaming mouse software, so think of this as a compounding effect on how sensitive your mouse is. You can look up all kinds of combinations online. Usually they'll tell you the number in Overwatch and the DPI for the actual mouse. So 4 in-game, 800 dpi for example. Or they may use eDPI, or "effective DPI" (3,200 in this case). This gives a number that combines both values through multiplication. Here's a simple calculator for that. Also take a look at this page for more info on this stuff. At this point you should be all set as far as your mouse goes. Feel free to mess around with it. Tanks usually use a higher eDPI because they aren't sniping or snapping onto targets as much. Just go with what feels right. You can always change things later.

As far as keyboard setups, you can keep it essentially the same as default if you want. Remember to bind a key to "interact." I use 'F.' A lot of people change around their ult button or ability buttons for different heroes. Changing ult from 'Q' to 'shift' or 'ctrl' for example will allow you to simultaneously ult while moving left (because it frees up your ring finger), which is helpful for Tracer pulse bomb sticks. I personally bind melee to my side mouse buttons so I can do it anytime, and I have crouch set for 'V' so I can spam crouch with my thumb while moving left and right. This is a helpful tactic to dodge enemy shots and is much better than jumping. Put your emote, spray, and voice line buttons in spots where you will not hit them accidentally. The last thing you want is to emote mid-fight when you meant to press 'E.' Remember you can use certain keys to bring up different menus mid-game, such as 'P' to see your team and change voice channels. You can also bind keys to save highlights of your play manually mid-battle, or to save the POTG while it's being shown at the end of the match. If you plan on using the replay system (extremely helpful, I think), remember to bind those controls too.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

Three biggest things for when people are having trouble in this game:

1. Performance.
   
   • Is your framerate stable? Capping it is a good idea if it's not. It's better to stay at 40 than be jumping between 50 and 30. You seem to have done this already!
     
   • Is your framerate high? Make sure anything CPU-bound is low.
     
     Shadow Quality, Render Distance, Particle Quality, and Effect Quality definitely need to be at absolute minimum. Counterintuitively, you'll want Texture Quality at Ultra. The game downscales the texture files at lower settings and actually puts more weight on the CPU.
     
     Avoiding large fights also helps a huge amount.
     
   • Are you getting hitching or stuttering? This tends to be tied to the same problems as having low framerate in the first place. Make sure your CPU isn't too much of a bottleneck. Planetside 2 eats the CPU alive. (And ultimately, the best fix for bad performance is a better computer.)
     
2. Mouse settings
   
   • Your sensitivity is probably too high. A good way to remedy this is by slowly lowering it a few notches every session or so. The goal is to make yourself move the mouse with your entire arm instead of with just your fingers or wrists.
     
   • Make sure Mouse Smoothing/Acceleration is off. This kind of setting makes it so moving your mouse faster makes it move further. It makes it much harder to reliably aim, so you want it off.
     
   • Turn on Raw Mouse Input. This makes the game read the mouse inputs as directly as possible without it being processed by anything like the OS.
     
   • Make sure your mouse isn't too terrible. Some mice that aren't made with gaming in mind are... questionable in how they detect movement. Good gaming mice brands seem to start at ~$30 [1] [2], which is pretty affordable.
     
3. Good discipline
   
   • You're probably not burst-firing your weapon enough. Always avoid holding down the trigger for long periods of time; its accuracy goes down the longer it fires. Letting it rest after short bursts resets the weapon's cone of fire so that it stays accurate.
     
   • Don't be afraid to disengage. It's okay to miss out on a kill and let them leave if it means staying in a safe place, or retreating to heal yourself.
     
   • Always be moving. Literally avoid stopping at any cost. You want to be AD strafing, repeatedly peeking doors, etc. This includes even if you're not sure if an enemy is around.
     
     Short of that, good practice is always good. Make sure everything is set up correctly, and that you're practicing good habits-- you should get better every day.

Some things to keep in mind:

• Same price on Amazon.
  
• Last thread (created by u/J3timaster) about this mouse.

G203: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO

Qck+: https://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-QcK-Cloth-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B07KJ5V8TF/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=qck%2B&qid=1573418335&s=electronics&sr=1-3&th=1

The G203 is the best budget mouse you can get without sacrificing a good sensor and the Qck+ is a good mousepad used by pros in every esport for a good price

Idk about keyboard tho

this or G203 for the same price?

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Black-910-004842/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504230563&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+g203

those Look Really Gaudy IMO

but for a better Budget setup that looks nicer too i would instead recommend the:

the Logitech GPro/102/203.
for your mouse it is a smaller mouse but fantastic build quality and a superior Senor definitly the best budget mouse you can get right now

for the keyboard either something like the MechanicalEagle Z-77 for TKL or the VicTsing Mechanical keyboard for Numpad users. these are cheaper Chinese board using Outemu Switches instead of Cherry making them more budget friendly but still certainly a lot better than the Rubber dome keyboard in the coolermaster bundle

edit: fixed the missing sentence

G203

Well, there are several logitech gaming mice available new for under that price. Like the G403 for $35 and the G203 for $26.5.

eh... I dunno, at 26 bucks, 2 reviews I'd feel iffy. If you need dirt cheap I'd go with this. Linus even had a review on it, and I use it at work. And at this price i'd go for the Logitech G203

Buy this if you have amazon prime or buy this both have top of the line sensors that will be sufficient for minecraft, if you're looking for comfort, go for the g403, however if you want to save a little bit more money, buy the g203

G100s
revel
deathadder essential the same thing as the chroma but no rgb.
G303
G403 A bit outside your budget but its worth it.
G102 same thing as
G203
whatever you do, don't buy the $15 back alley abortion of a mouse.

> over 100 dollars and 50 dollars

Did you mean 25 dollars? Where did you see it for 100 dollars, or even 50 dollars? Cause that place is guaranteed to be a scam. And they're the same mouse named differently in different regions, so I'm kinda confused you found two separate extremely high prices for it. G102/G203 is like the budget king of mice.

G203 Prodigy https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO

r/G203ProdigyMasterrace

link for those who are interested https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Black-910-004842/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1542803336&sr=8-2&keywords=g203+mouse

Keyboard Seems like a banger deal for 40 bucks with nice cherry mx blues.

Mouse Should do you well, Logitech is a very reputable brand although it doesn't look too gamery it is a very good "gaming mouse" on the cheap.

Headset Gets a bit pricey but I don't want you to get garbage shit that lasts you two weeks then brakes, Corsair make pretty good headsets and this one comes with a mic so you can flame your teammates all match. If you want, you can buy it refurb for cheap.

Anyways these are all solid options for getting into PC gaming, I've had my Logitech mouse since 2014 and it's been through hell and back and it still works like new. The kb is a bit pricey for cheap wise but cherry switches are well worth the extra penny imo due to their quality.

WHATEVER YOU DO, do not get garbage keyboard that is advertised as being "memchanical" cause they suck big time. Get a cheap reddragon make sure it lists the switch on the product page though albeit be gateron, cherry, etc.

if you really don't want to go over $35 then definitely take the g302, if you can sped a few more you could go for the g303, which is $40 and has the same shape as the g302 but better sensor. some people also have problems with the g302 "wobbling" because it has no mouse feet on the sides of the mouse
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00TKFD51M/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484610023&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=logitech+g303&dpPl=1&dpID=314UDpL3BCL&ref=plSrch
you could also look at the logitech g203, also$40 it has a rounder shape than the g302 and is probably a safer choice than the g302 unless you know you are comfortable with the shape.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M26YUKO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484610539&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=logitech+g203&dpPl=1&dpID=319KAiGobEL&ref=plSrch

Looks good, personally I would get a better mouse that's wired instead of wireless. I have the G203 and it's a great little mouse. Moderately light, simple RGB, not many macro buttons, great sensor.

No it looks nice, not enough trash on your desk for /r/shittybattlestations

I think maybe just take some better pictures though.

Also if you're wanting a new mouse maybe(since yours probably doesn't perform the best, you can get a super cheap and simple looking g203 for like $25

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO
It’s not, but it’s alright. Small mistake.

Logitech G203. All the sensors of their pro model at half the price. At $28, you cant go wrong.

Logitech G203 Prodigy RGB Wired Gaming Mouse – Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NfmDCbZY47CJE

You and I have essentially the same build! Same mouse too, Logitech g203 ?

What you came up with here is very very good, you don't need to change much.

I would recommend a higher end Z370 board over that TUF Z390. The Z370 Taichi by AsRock is widely regarded as one of the best boards for OCing and power delivery and is compatible with 9th gen.

If you want to still use the Crystal 280x (which will only work with Micro ATX boards) your options for mobo are pretty limited. This EVGA board I'm fairly sure will have better power delivery than the TUF you linked.

I also have a couple of peripheral suggestions which might be a bit more reliable (I and many others have had Razer stuff die in a year or two)

The logitech proteus mouse is half the price of the deathadder and has more features if that's your jam. If you prefer less buttons, G203 is a smaller, more minimalistic mouse with some very bright, consistent lighting. Both have fantastic sensors and dat Logitech support team.

I see you picked out a full-sized board--this Logitech is a bit cheaper and still RGB, mechanical, though no wrist rest unfortunately.

Not trying to shill for Logitech, it's just that peripherals is where you can save the most cash without sacrificing at all on quality and Logitech is a pretty safe bet for durability and customer support.

Alternate monitor possibility: some prefer the Acer XB27, some prefer the Asus you've selected. I'd check /r/monitors for comparisons and breakdowns of the most recent panel for each.

Thanks! I spend most days here, so I strive to make it a place I enjoy.

Desk is from World Market. It looks like they have a 40% off deal going on right now!

Ultrawide is the Dell Alienware AW3418DW.

Top monitor is a dell 4k 27" I bought a few years ago. Great color reproduction.

Monitor stand || Micca MB42X speakers || Keyboard || Mouse || Lucky cat ;)

If you're getting the G Pro, get the G203 instead. Same shell, buttons, RGB, everything. You just lose the braided cable (preference thing, too thick for some people) and have a different sensor. But one of the top mouse reviewers on YouTube cant even tell the difference. G203 vs G Pro

What?

As long as you're running some basic mouse, that costs less than 30 dollars, then you are competitive in Mordhau. Not to mention that even if you have some dogshit mouse why does that matter? You don't need insane aim in this game's melee combat to be competent, just throwables and archery. As long as you have a decent mouse, get decent FPS, and somewhere below 80 ping you're at very little disadvantage.

Best mice you can find right here https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M26YUKO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510650547&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=logitech+203&dpPl=1&dpID=319KAiGobEL&ref=plSrch

I personally like Logitech peripherals. I'm not picky about keyboards, buy I think the g203 is a GREAT mouse for the money

G203 Prodigy RGB Wired Gaming https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_z819Ab9TJ8M2R

Get a stick of ram now for duel channel.

Get this mouse instead https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-RGB-Wired-Gaming/dp/B01M26YUKO

Get this keyboard instead http://www.corsair.com/en-us/strafe-rgb-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-cherry-mx-blue-ch-9000527-na-refurbished

EDIT: i would ditch the drive and get the 6gb card atleast, gta is a vram hungry game. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487260

EDIT: dont forget about thermal paste.

the stiff cable can be fixed with either de-braiding or replacing with a different cable (could try the g203/g102 cable or ordering a paracord cable from CeeSA)
CeeSA's paracord cable info + order forms
g pro cable replacement/installation video
g203 for cable extraction

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A little bit over your budget, but the Logitech G203 Prodigy is pretty great for the price
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-910-004842-G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse-910-004842/dp/B01M26YUKO

My suggestion is the Logitech G305 for $10 over your budget, but it's got the best wireless sensor on the market. It isn't gamerized by any means and you can add macros to the side buttons if that's what you want. I really like the scroll wheel as well, it's rubberized and textured with distinct steps that aren't too tactile.

For a cheaper wired version, the Logitech G203 is the same mouse only it's using the gold-standard wired sensor. It has RGB, but you can turn it off. Other than that, it has the exact same features and shape.

A friend of mine bought the CM Devastator, but that was like 3 years ago and I don't remember what the mouse felt like(if the scroll wheel was mushy in comparison), but either of these are a lot better.

Granted, I'm using a G Pro which is yet another of the same style, it's just a little older and more expensive than the G203.

This assumes you are willing build a PC with your son, or let him take the lead and have some adult supervision. Many users here have let kids that young assemble their PC, again, obviously with adult supervision. There are tons of build guides on the Internet for doing this.

I disable Mail In Rebates in PCpartpicker as they are basically scams. They take months to work and the companies tend to drag their feet on honoring them.

Low End Build:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor | $135.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard | MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard | $136.98 @ Amazon
Memory | Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | $66.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Western Digital - Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Case | Fractal Design - Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case | $50.54 @ Amazon
Power Supply | RIOTORO - ONYX 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $64.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $515.38
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-31 17:11 EDT-0400 |

This is a lower budget PC. The price could be brought lower by going with a cheaper motherboard.

Explanations of Parts:

CPU: The Ryzen 2400g is a great starter CPU because it comes with integrated graphics. These graphics are not that good, but are good enough to run Fortnite and Roblox and so on. It can handle more modern games at playable levels, and about what a console like a PS4 can put out.

CPU Cooler: Ryzen CPUs come with a stock fan that works OK. It's good enough. If your son wants to overclock his CPU, he will need an aftermarket cooler. This can be done later, or purchased along with a new CPU in a couple years.

Motherboard: The Gaming Pro Carbon AC is the best B-450 Motherboard, and better then most of higher end X470 boards. Normally, I would never put a MOBO this good in a build this cheap. But there are several reasons why: 1) WIFI. This has one of the best wifi chips of any 400 series motherboard, and most wifi adapters that worth buying cost $30-50 anyway, so we may as well get the Pro Carbon if the kid needs wifi. 2) Ryzen 3000 CPUs launche on July 7, and AMD has committed to the AM4 CPU socket (IE the place where the CPU is installed) through 2020. The new Ryzen chips are so powerful that there is some debate about how well the lower end B-450s can handle some of the higher end new CPUs. This MOBO can definitely handle them. This means that the computer can grow with the kid. In 2 years or so, you can get whatever the last CPU that fits the AM4 socket is, after prices have fallen, and that should last another 4 years. 3.) Many the cheaper MOBOs are made by companies like Asrock and have poor BIOS design, and really bad manuals, and your kid is going to need to change a setting in the BIOS for the RAM.

Ram: Ryzen likes fast RAM. DDR4-3000 mhz or 3200 mhz. Team Vulcan is Budget RAM that works well with Ryzen. Even more so, the 2400g is going to want more RAM for it's integrated Graphics, so going 16 now makes a lot of sense. Don't get 8 gb of ram 2x4GB of Ram or a single stick of ram. Ryzen hates both 4 Ram stick setups, and single stick, and your son will likely want to get 16 GB of ram in the future. Right now Ram prices have fallen hard, which is good for us, so it only makes sense to get 16GB Now.

ONE THING: It May make a lot of sense to buy DDR4-3200 RAM like this as that would boost the Integrated Graphics on the CPU more.

IMPORTANT: Turn on XMP in the Motherboards BIOS or any fast DDR4-3000 or faster ram will not run at listed speeds, whether on Intel or AMD platforms. All modern DDR4-3000 or faster ram is so fast that most modern motherboards cannot run it at listed speeds without changing a setting in the motherboard almost always called XMP, but sometimes DOCP, depending on manufacturer. Also, ryzen may run ram slightly slower, so for example, DDR4-3000 will actually run at 2933 which is actually the max DDR4-3000 runs on ryzen.

Storage: The Western Digital Blue is a top tier SATA SSD with DRAM Cache.

Modern Systems should have a Solid State Drive, as these are faster, and next gen consoles are going to have SSDs instead of Hard drives (HDDs), meaning games will be optimized more for SSDs. Note that some cheaper budget SSDs like the A-400 or Inland do not have a DRAM Cache. The very short version, a DRAM cache helps the SSD handle lots of small writes, the kind of thing that an OS does all the time. These small writes both hurt the longevity of an SSD, and impact the performance to a degree. A dram cache mitigates those problems, meaning the SSD will last longer. Avoid DRAMless drives like inlands or a-400s for OS/boot drives.

With modern games taking up 40-100 GB a 500 GB ssd makes a lot of sense. SSDs are recommended for some games. Subnautica for example. Also, large open world games like GTA 5 or Forza will load the world faster on SSDs leading to a smoother gameplay. Note that SSDs do NOT increase Frames Per Second, but speed up loading and they smooth out things like pop-in and area transitions, and allow the worlds to load faster and larger, so having an SSD large enough for these games is a nice touch.

Some people may recommend SSDs 120 GB just for Windows, and an 1 Terabyte HDD. DON'T DO THIS, or buy a Prebuilt that does this. The reality is that in the modern era, a 120 GB SSD is not enough. More and more modern programs are being made with SSDs in mind, and common programs can easily eventually fill a small SSD. Furthermore, there are some programs that NEED to be on your boot drive, and 120GB is not big enough for them especially if your Son is coding at 10. Most gamers won't encounter these problems, but someone who codes might.

Finally, it is very easy to add an HDD, or better yet a second SSD later on. Note that I have chosen an M2 drive. M2 is a form factor, you can have SATA m2 drives and faster NVME Drives. Your computer should only have one M2 SSD. The gaming pro carbon does have 2 M2 Slots, but running 2 will disable a bunch of other slots for HDDs or SSDs.

Graphics Card AKA GPU: At this budget we don't add a GPU, since the CPU has integrated Graphics. You can always add a graphics card later. Right now NVDIA dominates the Midrange and High end graphics cards, whereas AMD has the best value and best priced low end cards. AMD cards need much more power to run also. Since AMD dominates the lower end with the best value cards, and they need higher power consumption, we need a more powerful PSU to keep upgrade options open. I'm going to talk more about GPUs below, as Monitor choice is huge.

CASE: There are so many cases out there, I went with a decent budget case with good airflow. Generally, most cases below $60 are pretty bad, the Focus G is passable. Building inside a nice case feels really good, so you may want to spend more money on something like an H500.

Power Supply: Most pre-built PC's cheap out here, and you should never cheap out. I have had a PSU explode and take down a HDD with my data on it before. I use this PSU tier list to choose my PSUs. There is probably a sale on something comparable to the ONYX, probably with a mail in rebate (lol), but the ONYX is good enough. You can read reviews if you want. Also, the ONYX has 650 watts, so if your son wants to overclock his PC parts by adding more power to them he can, and it will allow him to use every AMD PSU on market, up to Vega 64 which AMD recommends 650 watts minimum. Note that NVIDIA GPUS draw way less power.

Peripherals:

Mouse and Keyboard. For now, an option is a $25 mouse and keyboard combo if your budget is really tight. These things are cheap, and with gaming use will fail eventually. For now these would work.

Here are considerations with mice:

Mouse: One big problem with mice is hand size, since your son is 10 he probably has small hands, some mice won't be good for him, as he grows though, he may need a bigger mouse.

My recommendation is the Logitech G 203. The 203 is on Zy's AKA rocket Jump Ninja's Top 40 List and I believe is the cheapest small mouse available.

Keyboards: So everyone wants mechanical Keyboards now. They feel nicer, they usually have better build quality, and they are just cool. The thing is they are also louder. They multiple different switches, usually color coded for the type of switch. DO NOT GET BLUE SWITCHES. They are super loud, and will echo through the house. The problem is that blue is usually used on the cheapest mechanicals like the Redragon Kumara K552. Reds, Blacks and browns are the standard switch type for gaming.

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There’s no good mouse for $20 that’s customizable and every mouse should be compatible to both pc and Xbox if it has a USB. This should be the best you can get.. I don’t really consider it “customizable” though. But there are so many meanings of the word for a mouse you could mean anything. Color, dpi, control, any other number of things

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1543067655&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=logitech+mouse&dpPl=1&dpID=319KAiGobEL&ref=plSrch

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/logitech-logitech-g502-wired-optical-gaming-mouse-910-004615-black-910-004615/10406371.aspx?

or was it this:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=s9_acsd_bw_wf_a_Thanksgi_cdl_61?pf_rd_m=A1IM4EOPHS76S7&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-2&pf_rd_r=R0VR176DCY9M5146CQKE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=ae3024f9-f661-4742-bd54-5671833970ef&pf_rd_i=18384524011

or maybe this:

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Gaming-Advanced-Sensor-Competitive/dp/B01JPOLLTK

Hey bro you should buy a mouse from a trusted brand. Id really recommend the Logitech g203https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO. Lots of these random company's have bad technology and don't last long.

Headphones - https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00GHKS5CW/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

Mouse - https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=logitech+mouse&qid=1566344809&s=gateway&sr=8-6

If you want a good and cheap mouse.

I recommend this Logitech G203

https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1511759267&sr=1-1&keywords=logitech+g+203

Another good mouse cheap but ergonomic is this but maybe BIG for you. Is a large mouse

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G403-Prodigy-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01KUAMCV4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1511759224&sr=1-1&keywords=logitech+g403

So my recommendations G203, Mx anywhere 2s, G403 is the big is not a problem or MAYBE cougar minos x5

You didn't give a budget so I'll send you one.

Logitech G502 - https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Shifting-Personalized-Programmable/dp/B019OB663A/ is RGB but reliable and one of the best mice out there.

Logitech G203 - https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/

Logitech G300 - https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G300s-Optical-Ambidextrous-Gaming/dp/B00RH6R7C4

I think Logi makes the best mice and they have plenty of options at many price points. They love their RGB though.

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Ducky Secret - Bulky, overpriced, no bells or whistles mouse. I love it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/6uy6nu/mouse_logitech_203_prodigy_2299/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M26YUKO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B01M26YUKO/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497152589&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=logitech+gpro&dpPl=1&dpID=319KAiGobEL&ref=plSrch

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M26YUKO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Just got this one, I'm really liking it so far. Design isn't over the top and the RGB pulses through the whole spectrum. Mouse itself is really good too, 6000 dpi so it's super responsive for a $25 mouse.

price history

Amazon US has the G203 for 24.99$ https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01M26YUKO or if you're from EU Amazon Italy has it for 25.99€ (+shipping) https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B01MYQ4HJD

Or you could get the G102 from ebay (in bulk packaging) for even cheaper with free worldwide shipping: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Bulk-Logitech-G102-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Optical-Mouse-Computer-Mice-Black-/272750388930

Some previous comments I've posted on the matter: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/7ubbrs/changing_mouse_soon_question_on_mouse_weight/dtjn5j9/

For a keyboard, the least offensive and good-for-most option for keyswitches are Cherry MX Browns.

I recommend the Logitech G610:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CDYB8F6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Fe1dBbKKVVV4X


For mice, the only person whose opinion I trust is Zy (Rocket Jump Ninja) as he has remarkably detailed insight into a ton of popular mice.

Here is his updated list of top 40 mice:
http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-40/

If you have normal-sized hands and are a righty, I would recommend the Logitech G403 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KUAMCV4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_rh1dBbA5QCZB7

For large hands, the razer deathadder elite: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LXC1QL0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Ri1dBb74YHXAK

For small hands, (or a super tight budget) I recommend the Logitech G203: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_oj1dBb8512GR8

All of these mice have extremely accurate sensors and are cream of the crop as it stands right now. You likely won't need to ever upgrade unless they break.

$80 for a keyboard and $45 for a mouse may seem like a lot, but I promise you it is absolutely worth it. You can buy cheaper stuff now but I guarantee in a yea or two you'll be wanting an upgrade.

I only have two MMO's on my computer. I mostly play RTS's. I've been asking around and on discord someone linked to me a cheap chinese mouse that'd fit perfectly for my hand. People have also linked to me in two separate discussions the Prodigy G203. How long does the G403 last, and could a Prodigy last as long, if you've ever used one? Should I really save money and buy the chinese mouse? I'm close to making a final decision before I get at least one good mouse before getting the G600 for my birthday or christmas.

There mechanical keyboards are decent but I wouldn’t get any of there mouses for gaming , Logitech has a few cheaper gaming mouses that are miles better than redragon


Like this one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_rVERCbJ3S00NJ

keyboard and mouse. Then put it on a table.

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-MK-2-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B07D5S54C6/ref=mp_s_a_1_16?keywords=corsair+strafe&qid=1572470968&sprefix=corsair+s&sr=8-16

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?keywords=logitech+mouse&qid=1572471049&sprefix=logi&sr=8-6

Oh definitely. They should have left it in since now those of us who already have programmable peripherals are at an advantage to those who don't.

I feel similarly about mice as you do, and I went with this mouse. Don't let the cost fool you, it has an excellent sensor, and the weight feels perfect for me. It's light, if that's your style. Rocket Jump Ninja has a great review of the G203 which is what made me decide to purchase it.

Thats not a hand size or a grip style (I literally gave you links to what they are), but on that tight of a budget you kind of just take what you can get anyways. I'll recommend a rival 110 or a G203

No problem.

Yeah, that would work. I've mocked up a (very) rudimentary design of the solution for you:

https://imgur.com/gallery/SsLMTsi

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Imgur cut off my text but the color code is:

Black = Product

Blue = Connection

Pink = Item To Buy (see below)

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Products (including suggestions):

1. USB Computer Toggle Hub: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MXXQKGM?ie=UTF8
   
2. Mac Type C Dock With Charging and Display Out: https://www.amazon.com/QGeeM-Delivery-Compatible-Thunderbolt-Chromebook/dp/B07QXMNF1X/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=type+c+dock+mac+charging&qid=1574116707&refinements=p_36%3A1253503011&rnid=386442011&s=electronics&sr=1-6
   
3. HDMI to DVI: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=techlens0e-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B014I8UL8U&linkId=707a16198e0572f08d2e77944f3adfb7&th=1
   
4. Mini DP to DP: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013PWQPFS/ref=twister_B01B1B67RG?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
   
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   With this, your mac will be one cable connected to it for both charging and connecting to the monitor as the charger connects to the type c dock :-)
   
   Thank you for the sub!, didn't expect that. I hope to make some enjoyable content for you and spark some ideas! - speaking of my first video with the webcam kill switch includes how to mount the switch to the underside of the desk (which would be perfect for the USB hub - item 1. Will be super discrete and clean)
   
   PS - if you get this setup - post a pic here for me? :-)
   
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   As for keyboard, i have always liked mechanical. Aukey do one that's pretty unoffensive looking:
   
   https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Mechanical-Keyboard-Anti-Ghosting-Resistant/dp/B06XKV8R9Z/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=mechanical+keyboard&qid=1574117032&refinements=p_36%3A-4000&rnid=386442011&s=electronics&sr=1-11
   
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   The Logitech G203 is on sale at the moment: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=gaming+mouse&qid=1574117290&refinements=p_36%3A-4000&rnid=386442011&s=electronics&sr=1-5
   
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   But so subjective - I have a corsair K70 Mk2 Low Profile with a Mionix Naos (will take a lot to make me change!)

My recommendation given your needs is the Logitech G203 Prodigy. It's lightweight, battle tested, and the lights can be disabled.

4.7 x 19.2 x 13.6 cm @ 3.04 ounces

just get it on amazon

Well that is subjective, but I really like this mouse. It's also available refurbished on ebay for a couple bucks cheaper. Had it for nearly a year now, no issues.

WAS showing 24.99 on Amazon, now 29.99. It has routinely been marked all the way down to 19.99 a few times in the last few months. Ebay has it $23 for refurb, that's not a good deal imho. I'd just go with Amazon - good return policies if it comes to that.

https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-RGB-Wired-Gaming/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520552995&sr=8-1&keywords=Logitech+G203

> g203

googled g203, amazon returned a result 29.50 https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-RGB-Wired-Gaming/dp/B01M26YUKO

if you want the white version its 26.95
https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-RGB-Wired-Gaming/dp/B06XNKPZLN?th=1




, and also recommended
https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-Breathing-Ergonomic-Computer-Buttons/dp/B01FZ3BR5S/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_lp_tr_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SVWWCYDNHJ1HC14ZNCJ6&dpID=41d8kORN0jL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=detail for 13.99

all 3 have a promotion to knock 5 dollars off if "Eligible customers get a $5 bonus when reloading $100."

Does the corsair m65 have the PMW 3310-89 sensor? Apparently Yes, its typcially 50 dollars with refurb ones on corsair site occasionally 35. So imo this holds up for price, although the corsair has a awesome design but prob not worth 25 - 30 bucks. If the software holds up.
The Logitech
G203 Prodigy RGB Wired Gaming Mouse – White
for 26.95 is a really good deal vs the corsair m65 for 45-50$

Personally I feel cyborg looking mice are neither comfortable nor functional.

Thinking of getting this one or this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-910-004796-Prodigy-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01KUAMCV4/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1503050482&sr=8-7&keywords=logitech+mouse+wired

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-910-004842-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1503050482&sr=8-5&keywords=logitech+mouse+wired

edit: actually after looking at the videos of this mouse, its click looks very death-adder flimsy so I might not get this after all.

I would recommend to get a laptop stand to prop up your laptop like a monitor then use an external keyboard and mouse with a wrist rest.

1. Laptop stand: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ventilated-Adjustable-Laptop-Stand/dp/B00WRDS8H0
   
2. Keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O8YZ4A
   
3. Mouse: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M26YUKO/
   
4. Wrist rest: https://www.amazon.com/Fellowes-I-Spire-Keyboard-Rocking-9314601/dp/B00BQX5Q9A
   
   I use that wrist rest at my IT job and at home. Its probably the best I have ever used.

Mouse - https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=asc_df_B01M26YUKO/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312191396630&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12851658912345507038&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009908&hvtargid=pla-448498099587&psc=1 I recommend this extremely, I use it personally and it’s AMAZING.



Keyboard - https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Strafe-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B07D5TNTPC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=3S7GZ1FTYQUN7&keywords=corsair+mechanical+keyboard&qid=1567322275&s=electronics&sprefix=Corsair+mech%2Celectronics%2C183&sr=1-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOVJOOEJLOU1OMVhHJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTM5OTcyVk1YTTJCOUlJSlczJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4OTU3ODAzSTI1Tko2QTdLU0VCJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

This thing...needs no introduction BUT I’ll give it one...has the best switches..Cherry MX Red, amazing RGB...and just a fantastic keyboard all around! I highly recommend it!

First of all, why would you choose the 4c/4t option instead of 6c/12t option? And why go for 2016 tech when 2017 has 7600K?

Furthermore, you want to cheap out on your case while still being able to overclock? Go Ryzen, they have $90 ATX OC-Ready motherboards.

my child this is a great mouse

Above has a great sensor, RGB, and is very cheap.

Over on mechanicalkeyboards.com , you can get a Ducky Shine 6 with PBT keycaps in: Cherry MX Brown, Blue, Red, an dSpeed/Silver switches, for $10 less than BW v2. If you need an even lower price, check out K70 RGB and Strafe series from Corsair. Not the best, but the cheapest RGB Cherry mechs you can find on the market. I forgot, they are the cheapest fullsized keyboard.

For the PSU, I would get a B3 instead. Why? It's like BQ but it's fully modular. I realize that BQ has a $10 rebate. But if there was no rebate, B3 all the way.

Cryorig H7 is shadowed by Hyper 212 EVO, but Cryorig H7 is much better. It's a nice CPU cooler.

I also chose a cheaper memory kit.

ok,so assuming your $40 budget goes either way, IMO the mouse is more important, so I would get the $30 logitech g203 prodigy, it's nothing special but it's sensor is great and it will last you a long time, for a keyboard you can get really anything wired, as long as you can get used to it, this amazonbasics one comes with a mouse for 15 bucks, you can get the keyboard alone but that takes 3-5 months to ship so you can throw that mouse on a laptop or something. the keyboard wont be the greatest experience, but you don't have anything better now. alternatively, if the input lag is only on the mouse and the keyboard is fine, then you could splurge on the g502 proteus spectrum, an rgb mouse (for right handed people only!) that I can proudly and unironically say is the greatest mouse of all time.

G203: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Black-910-004842/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499469016&sr=8-1&keywords=g203

Generic Keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wired-Keyboard-Mouse-Bundle/dp/B00B7GV802/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1499468541&sr=8-3&keywords=keyboard+wired

G502 (remeber this is only for right handed people) : https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Proteus-Spectrum-Tunable-Gaming/dp/B019OB663A/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1499468912&sr=1-1&keywords=g502

I havent really proofread this so sorry for formatting

This or Logitech G203 prodigy? https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=logitech+g203&qid=1549921179&s=electronics&sr=1-1

22 bucks... you showed 20bucks mouses there is no reason you cant.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=g102&qid=1557676707&s=gateway&sr=8-1

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Logitech-G102-Gaming-Wired-Mouse-Optical-Game-Support-windows-10-8-7/123733735578?hash=item1ccf1af89a:g:K0gAAOSwXDVcsZDT

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Logitech-G102-Gaming-Wired-Mouse-Optical-Wired-Game-Mouse-Support-Desktop-Laptop-Support-windows-10/32893163557.html

No comment on any of the 3 as I haven't owned any of them, and can find very little information on them. In the same price range the G102/G203 depending on region is a solid buy, and for $10 more than the A90 you can get yourself into a G305 which is the wireless brother of the G102/G203/GPro. You can also look into the 403 wired if you would rather have an ergo mouse.

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https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=logitech+g+mouse&qid=1557878272&s=gateway&sr=8-3

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https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G403-Prodigy-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01KUAMCV4/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=logitech+g+mouse&qid=1557878272&s=gateway&sr=8-6

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Both of the above are tried and true price to performance powerhouses.

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and the G305 below is likely one of the top 3 recommended mice on this sub reddit.

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https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-LIGHTSPEED-Wireless-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B07CMS5Q6P/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=logitech+g+mouse&qid=1557878403&s=gateway&sr=8-5

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If budget is the main issue buy the 102/203 it wont let you down and is priced similar or lower to the ones you mentioned, if it isn't then I would look at better options than the 3 you mentioned and would still keep the little logitech in mind.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Daedalus-Prime-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B00OHJY7C2/ref=sr_1_1?s=prime-day&psr=PDAY&ie=UTF8&qid=1499737011&sr=1-1&keywords=gaming+mouse

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Black-910-004842/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_3?s=prime-day&psr=PDAY&ie=UTF8&qid=1499737011&sr=1-3&keywords=gaming+mouse

This one isn't! If you're into the look. I personally like the Corsair logo/style so that's what I was looking for. Logitech generally has better reviews, though.

EDIT: Actually, I guess there's a couple if you filter for mouses on here.

Look into the Logitech G203. It's decently priced, light weight and not very big https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Black-910-004842/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

Just go on Amazon and buy a cheap Logitech mouse. I love my G Pro but it's more than you're looking to spend, the G203 which is similar is available in your budget.

I'm currently playing Apex Legends and was wondering if i should purchase the Logitech G203 or the Razer DeathAdder Elite. Would it really make that big of a difference spending the extra money? And if so, why?

The Razer: https://www.amazon.com/Razer-DeathAdder-Elite-Mechanical-Ergonomic/dp/B01LXC1QL0/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Razer+DeathAdder+Elite&qid=1567703137&s=electronics&sr=1-1

The G203: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=logitech+g203&qid=1567703180&s=electronics&sr=1-1

If you’re willing to spend a little more, a redragon k552 and Logitech g203 could suit you well.

>Do gaming mouses have an advantage? Or do they just have buttoms on them for key mapping?

Yes they have a distinct advantage. Sensor quality is huge, if you're using some shitty office mouse it will be really inaccurate and won't track fast movements etc. Generally quality fps mice don't have a ton of buttons and binding too many things on the mouse is something most good pc fps players have deemed bad since those button presses can fuck up your aim. Usually tons of buttons = shitty mmo mouse with garbage tech.

You could stop by /r/mousereview and ask for some recommendations

My recommendation would be just grab this while it's on sale since that's a great deal on a high end mouse.

Here and here.
I live in Canada and unfortunatly our currency isnt doing too well right now, and computer stuff is usually priced higher than it is across the border. So, in Canadian dollars, it's 40 and 100, sadly.

I HIGHLY recommend this keyboard for it's small form factor, steel backplate, RGB lighting, and double-shot keycaps for only $40.
Tecware Phantom 87 Key Mechanical Keyboard, RGB led, Outemu RED Switch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079HQM71L/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_BD7nDbCB6CYRF

This is the mouse I personally use. It's small and simple but has a great sensor and a nice touch of rgb for $26.
Logitech G203 Prodigy RGB Wired Gaming Mouse - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EC7nDbEAY4XQZ

Finally, if you really want to reduce noise as much as possible, get some cheap o-ring dampeners.
ThreeBulls 120Pcs Rubber O-Ring Switch Dampeners Keycap white For Cherry MX Key Switch Keyboards Dampers https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N75JL0F/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_cG7nDbCZB29F4

Don't sell yourself so short on peripherals, you can tell the difference between really cheap mice and keyboards and moderately priced ones. You don't have to go all out and spend 200 on a mouse and keyboard, but there's definitely options way better for 100 bucks all together. You'll see difference in build quality, design, ergonomics, durability, and reliability.

Mice:

• Logitech G502 $35
  
• Logitech G203 $25
  
• Logitech G403 $30
  
• Razer DeathAdder $45
  
• I personally have the Razer Basilisk $55, and I think its the best mouse I've ever owned. I personally like the sensitivity toggle on the side as well as the ergonomics. Additionally I like the Razer suit because you can customize the appearance, sensitivities, and macros for your peripherals and it saves to a online profile, so my profiles and appearances can be the same on my laptop and desktop.
  
  Keyboards:
  
  
• I really like Corsair and Razer keyboards. I definitely think getting a keyboard with mechanical switches is worth it, the responsiveness, feel, and durability is way higher than their membrane/rubber dome counterparts. Some people don't like the clack of a mechanical, but manufacturers have started offering quiet/silent switch options.
  
• You can make your own choice tho and here are a bunch of options under 50 and under 100

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=logitech+g203&qid=1564564113&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Below budget, lightweight, comfortable, responsive, high build quality with good switches and the right number of buttons.

Very well reviewed and serving me extremely well. A bit smaller than most mice so worth considering that if you have yeti hands. Otherwise zero potential problems.

G203, king of the budget tier. Good sensor, quality build, RGB lights, and also on sale for $20

https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/r

So far I have owned two of them (ones LMB broke off). They are good mice for the price but they have a kind of odd small shape, and i haven't noticed anything bad about the sensor and it tracks nearly as good as my model o. I've had some trouble with the recent software just not working at all, so I've just downgraded to a different version of ICUE to fix that . But the G302 seems like a better deal and just looks better imo.

mouse that is good

Logitech G203.

It was my first mouse. Upgraded (to 900) due to it being too small, wired and limited to 2 buttons.

To each their own.

I would consider <$50 for both kb and mouse to be a fairly affordable price. Check out /r/mechanicalkeyboards for an entire list, but I have two Tomoko87 (aka mpow mechanical kb) keyboards and love them. Got one for $20 and one for $30-ish iirc. https://www.amazon.com/TOMOKO-Water-Resistant-Mechanical-Keyboard-Non-Conflicting/dp/B01DBJTZU2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1519531778&sr=1-1&keywords=tomoko+87 And the larger version with a num pad can be had for $40-ish if you search hard enough. https://www.amazon.com/TOMOKO-Mechanical-Keyboard-Resistant-Anti-ghosting/dp/B01IHVN4GA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1519531805&sr=1-1&keywords=tomoko+104 They are blue switches which I love for gaming and typing, but it's all subjective. Go to bestbuy and test some out to see what type of switch you like the most.

As for mice, I personally love logitech. I've only owned 3 models because they simply have lasted forever and i've never had to replace them. I do have experience with those cheap $10 "gaming mice" and I will say they are better than a wireless mouse or non-gaming mouse. If you want to buy a decent KB and save up for a great mouse then you can find CyberpowerPC ripoff mice for like $12 just about anywhere and it will last you a while until you find the mouse you want. https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-EasySMX-V18-Non-slip-Computer/dp/B073CG5BPH/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519531619&sr=8-1&keywords=cyberpowerpc+mouse

In my biased opinion, this is my favorite cheap gaming mouse https://www.amazon.com/G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1519531846&sr=8-3&keywords=logitech+gaming+mouse

Corsair/steelseries/etc. all make similar mice that are basically the same thing. I think of it as a kind of minimalist design. great for casual gaming. I am using the G502 just because i love heavy mice and I can save button shortcuts to the mouse itself so it works with my pc and mac...and rgb bro

Logitech G203 is my mouse of choice - it's essentially a G-Pro with a proprietary sensor and no braided cable. It has a phenomenal optical sensor though, good scroll wheel and buttons, comfortable for claw grip. With my big hands, the G203 is a little too small to palm grip. Costs between usually <40 USD. It has RGB lighting, but it's subtle and you can just turn it off if you don't like it. Has built-in storage so you can delete software after you configure it. Only thing you listed that it won't do is click the scroll wheel sideways

> I unusually leverage the thickness of the back of the mouse with my pinky and thumbs for precise slight adjustments

I read your other comment, would you say that your grip is a fingertip grip? If so, I actually use the same grip and I personally found ergo mice really uncomfortable. I had a rival 300, and I realized a while after that I wanted the complete opposite in mouse. So I got the gpro, a small light ambi mouse that's perfect for fingertip. The g203 is practically the same thing and stupid cheap for how good it is.

These are in the $20-$35 price range but Logitech makes excellent mice. I have the g303 which is similar to the g302 and I love it.

G203 Prodigy RGB Wired Gaming Mouse https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_SsfLAbDDYEAE3

Or

Logitech G302 Daedalus Prime MOBA Gaming Mouse https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OHJY7C2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_WtfLAbCMP8HBD

I could literally go to Best Buy right now and get a brand new one for less than that. Try again.

EDIT: Or I could just order it new from Amazon with free two-day shipping.

that mouse new for $35. recommend lowering to at most $25, since they can be had refurb for that much. https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G203-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Black-910-004842/dp/B01M26YUKO