Reddit reviews Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration

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Zach Weinersmith, the man behind Neoliberal Genghis Khan and Why NIMBYism is human kind's greatest asset, has illustrated a book about open borders with libertarian economist Bryan Caplan, and it goes on sale today.

If that sounds vaguely interesting to you, I highly recommend you read his short essay Immigration as a Civil Right. It's one of the most persuasive arguments I've read in favor of open borders, so I have very high hopes for the book.

You can order the book here on Amazon or go to the official website for more purchasing options and info.

The author of this comic, u/MrWeiner of SMBC, stops by here sometimes and has a book coming out on open borders with Bryan Caplan: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250316960/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1250316960&linkCode=as2&tag=bryacaplwebp-20&linkId=1ed2cdfe4a1c0cd2a62e942a39f87b9d.

til that Bryan caplan wrote a graphic nonfiction weeb mangashit on open borders.

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>So why is there so many far left people in this sub or atleast why do they act like they are the majority?

I don't know what you mean by far-left but left-leaning folks ARE THE MAJORITY in this country. Look who won the popular vote in 2016. Rapebulicans cling to power by hook or crook. ie: Voter Suppression and Gerrymandering.

>Because of the dunce cap worthy anti hunting stuff going around there has been a huge rise in coyotes, foxes and other dangerous animals. "But but muh nature" well you take your nature argument and explain to a child that your ignorance is the reason her pet is now spread across the front yard.

Who is specifically making anti-hunting arguments? 1 or 2 randos on the internet sharing memes are not a representative population. Did you look into how representative that position is compared to the whole?

Can you also cite evidence of the "huge rise" of dangerous animals in Ohio? Not saying you are wrong but a source would be nice.

>I've seen them shaming someone for being against "sanctuary cities" and even told him to try to move somewhere else.

Because maybe this country through a variety of R and D admins over 50 years have turned much of a blind eye or even a :::wink-wink::: to our Patriots in Waiting coming to the US in search of work. Businesses use these people to drive down costs thus making the products you buy cheaper. And we then don't enforce the law for everyone.

So when a President comes in and has an official policy of separating kids from parents and starts deporting all kinds of people rather than just focusing on the worst of the worst like what Obama did (Veterans? yup! Folks with Cancer? Yup! Dude just working to put food on the table? Yup! Business owners who actually employed US workers? Yup!) folks get upset because the law is being selectively enforced and then want to protect these people.

Source:

Policy:https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2018/05/08/ag-jeff-sessions-vows-separate-kids-parents-border/591924002/

Vets: https://www.npr.org/2016/01/13/462372040/service-members-not-citizens-meet-the-veterans-who-have-been-deported

Cancer: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sb-undocumented-facing-deportation-20170731-story.html

Putting Food on Table for Family: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-father-deported-mexico-after-living-u-s-three-decades-n838211

Business Owner: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/03/11/feature/a-beloved-restaurant-owner-was-deported-a-community-was-in-uproar-then-it-moved-on/

It is like telling your kid not to eat candy for dinner but when he does you ignore it for 12 years and not deal with the issue. Then at age 13 you enforce the policy.

Edit: If you actually wanted to do something about immigration the correct solution is Open Borders. No, that doesn't also mean unenforced borders. There is a lot of nuance on it. Fortunately, a well-known comic artist has taken it up!: https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960. So if you are looking for a scientific and philosophical solution to immigration that book is expected to do the trick.

> even the a gigantic part of Ohio is country and farmers and even small towns with single shops who I can 100% guarantee you dont agree with those in the city to any degree.

I don't know where you get your facts from but based on the US Census Bureau data as reported out by Iowa State Ohio as of 2010 is about 78% Urban https://www.icip.iastate.edu/tables/population/urban-pct-states. Hardly "gigantic".

>it shouldn't matter how they get here they should be allowed ~ya know until trump said he'll send them to their cities and suddenly it became a issue, "poverty for thee not for me" seems to be their true immigration opinion

Who specifically is saying this? 1 or 2 randos on the internet is not a representative population. This statement also carries an implication that Patriots in Waiting live in poverty. According to a report based on Census data roughly 60% live above poverty level https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/us-immigration-policy-program-data-hub/unauthorized-immigrant-population-profiles and a little over a 1/3rd own their own homes.

I don't know what you were trying to get out of your post other than have an unsubstantiated hot take.

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960/

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I actually just read a book that details why open borders is more reasonable than it seems. Failing that though, just let people stay on the American side while they wait for asylum. Being poor in America isn't pretty, but it's a lot better than getting kidnapped.

The three first results when searching for "open borders" on Amazon.

Guys, I'm confused, which one should I pick?

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=open+borders&qid=1572618411&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Inc-Funding-America/dp/1621579719/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=open+borders&qid=1572618411&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.com/Why-God-Hates-Open-Borders/dp/1732785902/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=open+borders&qid=1572618411&sr=8-3

Surprisingly it goes on like this, there is a balance between pro and anti in the following results.

I did, yes. And economists much smarter than you tend to agree. If that's a bit above you though, here's an excellent picture book that can explain it to you.

>You know full well nobody wants open borders

Be careful with absolutes, people do absolutely want this and argue for it quite frequently. Bryan Caplan comes to mind as a reasonably well known economist and rationalist-adjacent person that argues for open borders. He co-wrote a graphic novel on the topic to make the arguments easily digestible!

Jeffrey Miron of the Cato Institute argues for them. Fortune Magazine claims a 'surprisingly compelling argument.'. It should be to no one's surprise HuffPost supports open borders. Current Affairs has written in favor of open borders on at least two occasions (one, two). Or will you just handwave these away as "no one important"?

>it’s a trade off of acting like a humane developed civilization and letting a small number of nonviolent criminals into the country

Why is border enforcement inhumane and undeveloped? What is the purpose of a country, to you? Since all illegal immigrants are by definition criminal, it seems rather inaccurate to refer to them as a "small" number. Don't forget that you're also letting in a small number of violent criminals.

>Now you’re arguing in bad faith

On multiple occasions you've been asked what enforcement is allowable to the left, and I haven't seen an answer. Your faith is much worse.

only 21.7% of survey respondents believe in open borders

y'all need the gospel of Mr. Weiner

My Open Borders book is arriving Tuesday!! Can’t wait! 🤗


https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250316960/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S22SDbBJZB6VS

Source: https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960

Google is your friend, friend :

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/01/immigration-wall-open-borders-trillion-dollar-idea/

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/opinion/open-borders-immigration.html

Just type "open borders". The information superhighway is easy and fun.

Caplan has also written a book about open borders, illustrated by Zach Weinersmith /u/MrWeiner, available for pre-order. https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960

Just thought this was a good spot to mention Zac Weinersmith’s Open Borders book: https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960/ref=nodl_

Goes into a lot of detail about the risks and benefits of immigration (and falls strongly on the benefits side.)

AMAZON LINK to the book itself:

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960/

The pre-orders (comes out Oct 2019) are currently #1 Best Seller in Educational & Nonfiction Graphic Novels.

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I think you might like this. I wish people had that global perspective, the world would be twice as prosperous.

> Likewise, illegal immigration is not something that can be stopped. It can be mitigated or slowed down, but stopping it is impossible.

Actually, you could stop it by going back to the situation before 1882, where there were no laws regarding immigration. Hey presto, no illegal immigration.

I'm not just being a smartass, there are actually people who advocate that, based on all kinds of studies and data.

> why should we believe that immigrants would pay net more taxes than they cost in services

Read the textbook my dude (or alternatively the sidebar, since they're both drawing from the same paper).

I disagree that your predicted outcomes would happen, but then again I'm getting my argument from a comic book: https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960

Your “facts” about who is a net drain could use some citations. Children coming here that learn English and graduate high school are a net benefit. The only net drain category are older people that don’t have a high school education.

Kaplan and Weinersmith have a bunch of data here: Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250316960/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_XDjWDb83N8VV1. Though I’m
not sure about their thesis, their data on that point is pretty sound.

There is decent info just a google search away, I found this for example https://econofact.org/do-immigrants-cost-native-born-taxpayers-money

If you’re going to say “facts,” citations are pretty helpful.

Excellent. I recently read Open Borders and it felt like a manifesto for our age. Brilliantly argued and presented in a very original way (it's a collaboration between an academic economist and the guy behind SMBC comics).

Refugees and immigrants are awesome and we should let far more into our country (open borders FTW), but even I think it’s going to far to actually ruin their home countries to get them to move...

Well you're saying they are going to go somewhere. Not your country if you have a closed border. You can you know, just not let non-citizens run roughshod over your own country. Or why have countries at all? I mean there are arguments for that, here is a recent one https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960