No need to apologize. I certainly haven't owned every board out there, so the best I can do is take a look at reviews to feature set with you.


So first, let's decide some things.
Do you want a backlight? If so, does it need to be RGB?


What size board do you prefer? I would suggest going no lower than tenkeyless if you're using it at all for some professional work, only because it could temporarily slow down your work rate because some keys will be in different positions or missing entirely. This may take getting used to. If you're up for that, that's cool too. Full size boards have a numberpad, some are larger with "macro" keys. There are variations with fewer keys, that maybe don't have arrow keys etc. and are slightly smaller. Then there's tenkeyless, which has no numbpad, and then smaller variations often with no function keys or arrow keys, with their functions require key combos.


We've got a price range, and we're going for mechanical, but I'm wondering how much branding and brand names matter to you. There are some boards out there with big logos, and they can be ugly as sin, doesn't affect functionality, but cosmetics are worth considering on something you look at daily. Next, do you need a brand that's "famous?" It may be hard to find a RAZER, Corsair, CoolerMaster, or other big names in the industry under $40, depending on your required feature set.

Finally, that brings us to switch type. There's a lot of brands of switch style, and if I had to guess, you're probably gonna have trouble finding Cherry MX, the most iconic switch type, in this range. That said, some of the "copy" switches are nearly identical and have pretty solid build quality, differences only noticeable by the most sensitive of typists. So here's a quick break down of the most popular switch types:

Blue: Tactile Bump during actuation, can feel it and hear it(loudest switch, clicks on bump, clacks when the key "bottoms out" or is pressed all the way down)

Brown: Very light tactile bump(I don't really feel it if I've just been typing on my blue or Razer green switch board), makes a sound when bottoming out. This is considered the happy medium, somewhat silent, can be made very quiet with an accessory, still had tactile feedback.

Red: Silent, linear switches. Not whisper silent, but much quieter, no noise or tactile bump when the keypress is actuated. I really don't think you'll be able to snag a new board with these.

Black: Silent, almost exactly like reds, but require more force to press down, they're not too popular as people complain they make their fingers tired. However, I see them a lot under budget boards.


The Blue, Brown and Reds are the most common. There are more switches out there, and some brands use different colors to associate the style, but the styles are largely the same.


I'm gonna link(not affiliate links) some boards, just to show the styles and backlighting options off, these are mostly a bit out of your price range, but this should give you a general idea of what they look like, and how much extra things like RGB cost:

Pretty standard tenkeylessboard: https://www.amazon.com/TOMOKO-Water-Resistant-Mechanical-Keyboard-Non-Conflicting/dp/B01DBJTZU2/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1520206833&sr=8-31&keywords=rgb+mechanical+keyboard


A compact board, I believe it's a 75% variation: https://www.amazon.com/Element-Mechanical-Keyboard-Waterproof-Anti-Ghosting/dp/B01FXF7HFC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1520205858&sr=8-4&keywords=rgb+mechanical+keyboard


Tenkeyless RGB: https://www.amazon.com/Keyboard-Mechanical-Redragon-illuminated-ABS-Metal/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1520205858&sr=8-5&keywords=rgb+mechanical+keyboard


Fullsize board, the standard: https://www.amazon.com/Element-Mechanical-Programmable-Waterproof-Anti-Ghosting/dp/B073QPDZHQ/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&qid=1520206906&sr=8-45&keywords=rgb+mechanical+keyboard


Now, these are mostly "cheap" brands, in that they're not ultra famous like RAZER, or Corsair, etc. But, these are some of the more highly rated boards. Of course, you absolutely do not have to buy from amazon either, and these are mostly out of the range, so please get back to me on the style and backlighting options you'd like. I think one of these "knock off" brands will be your best bet, particularly if you want backlighting. Other users are of course free to offer advice too.


Once you tell me, generally, the size, and switch type we're after, we can try to find some boards that are on sale, not just the stuff I quickly found that was relatively cheap and well reviewed. Sometimes you can get something that seems a decent price, for even less if you watch and wait. So that might be worth considering too.

Please let me know your preferences, and I hope my explanations were somewhat clear.

All Lightning Deals so they will only last as long as there's stock left for the sale.

TKL with no backlighting for $22.94 : https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXD7TP9/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=AXZ7TDMJNMJSZ&psc=1

TKL with Red Backlighting for $25.49 : https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B016MAK38U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AXZ7TDMJNMJSZ&psc=1

TKL with Rainbow Backlighting for $29.74 : https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZN7MLE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=AXZ7TDMJNMJSZ&psc=1

TKL with RGB Backlighting for $36.54 : https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B019O9BLVY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=AXZ7TDMJNMJSZ&psc=1

Here ya go friend!

Gaming Keyboard Mechanical Keyboard K552 KUMARA by Redragon 87 Key LED RGB Backlit Mechanical Computer illuminated Keyboard with Blue Switches for PC Gaming Compact ABS-Metal Design https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_uC65AbFT0DR01

Sure! One board that I found when I first started digging into this hobby was Velocifire's TKL01, which let me know how brown switches felt. There's also the RedDragon Kumara which I see around a lot from people that want to try the hobby before they really deeply invest. There's also the Magicforce 68 which is one of the most recommended budget boards around here, especially for people that want to flirt with smaller layouts than TKL or full size.

Cheap, mechanical and RGB all in one is very tough to find, and usually even if you do find one at that pricepoint it'll be lacking in other fields such as durability and build quality. That said, I did manage to find one that fits your needs, a Redragon 42$ Kumara.

Red dragon make some decent boards. Their RGB one is 42 bucks. This one let's you customize keys. If you're just looking for lighting effects you could go even cheaper.

I just tried and I think it's because I'm bottoming them out. The click is definitely there but the majority of the noise is when I press down. Here's what I have:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=twister_B0754LGLFP?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

okay for TKL boards I'll throw a few options ranging from super budget to a smidge over your budget.

$28 no backlight, blue switches (loud, clicky)
$45 RGB backlight, blue switches (loud, clicky)
$70 red backlight, MX red switches (linear, not as loud, "name brand" switches)
$80 RGB, MX red switches (linear, name brand switches)
$99 blue led. range of cherry MX switches (my personal favourites are brown or silver)

the AUKey and reddragon boards are both good 'beginner' boards to get you into the world of mechanical keybs without too much of an initial outlay.

also worth noting, if keycaps etc are a bonus for you I would steer clear of Corsair boards (i have a k65 and trying to find any keycaps that come with corsairs stupid non standard bottom row is an exercise in frustration.)

This is one of the cheaper ones, and still has the RGB and is mechanical.
LINK

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-RGB-Mechanical-Keyboard-Construction/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?keywords=rgb+mechanical+keyboard&qid=1573735509&sprefix=rgb+mech&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzSFQ1TTVYUzZKSVUwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTEyMTA3MTlKSko0N1RSTlBJVSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjcyMTM1UU0xVFUzTEdIVllLJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfcGhvbmVfc2VhcmNoX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Both Mouse and Keyboard are from Reddragon
The mouse is M602: https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-M602-Ergonomic-Programmable-backlight/dp/B011HMDZ0Q/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
The keyboard is the K552(RGB version) : https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_3?crid=EVXDG36RYWK0&keywords=reddragon%2Bkeyboard&qid=1555946378&s=electronics&sprefix=reddr%2Celectronics%2C120&sr=1-3&th=1

A second keyboard option

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-RGB-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY/

TKL

Fullsize

ended up going with this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=twister_B06Y2GQBXZ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-RGB-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY

>Rosewill Neon M51, although it isnt fully customizable.

It also isn't mechanical.

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-RGB-Mechanical-Keyboard-Construction/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_3?crid=297B6OF7RUAOI&keywords=red+dragon+rgb+keyboard&qid=1551183556&s=gateway&sprefix=red+dragon+rgb+ke%2Caps%2C328&sr=8-3

Lol and I just got the Redragon 88 Keyboard, Cheap mechanical keyboards ftw.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=twister_B01IWQP2WY?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

Hello everyone,

I'm looking to buy my first mechanical keyboard. I don't want to spend a lot of money, and Im a TLK kinda guy. I'm looking at the Redragon K552-RGB KUMARA RGB LED (I'm aware that its over $300 Canadian - I'm going to the US next week and plan on getting it while there delivered to an Amazon box). I know there's a budget intro guide to mechanical keyboards - its where I found this one.. link to guide for interested parties

Does anyone have any other suggestions? I know I could go RGB-less and get it for WAYYY cheaper but... rainbows...

I also looked at the Mechanical Eagle Z-77 but its just fixed color LEDs - but the plain no led one is REALLY cheap...


Thoughts?

Non-LED for $28.79: https://www.amazon.ca/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B01LXD7TP9/?th=1

RGB for $34.39: https://www.amazon.ca/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY/?th=1

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Ok then your gonna love to have one, don’t worry I have been on console the majority of my life so I feel you. I am gonna send you a link of my mechanical keyboard, it honestly the best cheapest mechanical keyboard with cherry mx blue switches, which are really good. The only con/issue is the fact that the keyboard makes a lot of sound when typing or playing. So there the link: Reddragon kumara rgb

An RGB Red Dragon Kumera and a Logitech G602 are what I suggest.

I'm using my Kumera now, and love it, and used my G602 for years before I sent it to my BF a few months ago. The battery on the mouse was so good, it was turned on in shipping, got lost, and still was on when my BF got it and opened the package.

You can also get the plain red backlit Kumera for ~$30.99 here if you don't want to fork over an extra $12 for RGB.

Well if you want to go really want to go cheap, this has pretty good reviews.

Well, not to sound rash or anything but, me personally, I'd send that hard drive back. 5400RPM is gonna lead to some pretty eh read/write speeds; about the same creeping-speeds as a console's hard drive. This is the same price range, 7200RPM, an extra terabyte of storage, and is incredibly quiet (avoid Barracudas; very noisy hard drives). I've got the 2TB version of the P300 and it's great. Very fast, very quiet.

And, I mean... There's about $160 you could've saved ^^^^That ^^^^would've ^^^^given ^^^^you ^^^^better ^^^^performance.

Your build is by no means bad.

It's great, and will last you many years to come. It just missed the mark on cost efficiency.

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As far as keyboards go, I always recommend Cooler Master. Specifically their new MasterKeys Pro S. Very high quality feel, mechanical Cherry switches, RGB backlighting, standard bottom row keyswitches (easier to replace keycaps), TKL (tenkeyless; no numpad). For something more budget-friendly, the Redragon Kurama is actually pretty slick. Mechanical (Outemu; not as high quality as Cherry, but still good), TKL, doesn't feel too cheap, and it's tenkeyless.

Obviously the MasterKeys is gonna be a much more premium keyboard, but the Kurama is a nice little entry-level mechanical keyboard.

Theredragon k552 rbg version is pretty good(at least for me)

Edit:the k551 has a number pad.

I use this keyboard https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY?th=1
Its the Redragon Kumura, it has RGB Lighting and Blue Mechanical Switches. Its definitely worth the $45 price tag, plus it currently has a Lightning Sale on Amazon for Prime Day so its only $35 for the next 3 hours.

Most likely no. Despite being that cheap, that actually has doubleshot caps according to the product listing, not coated.

Which means that the only clear section will be molded into the top of the keycap. The rest is solid black plastic.

Pudding caps are like $20 though, and will fit your board.

True, but at the same time you're spending $50 on a rubber dome that will break within a year, knowing how awful Corsair's quality control is.

Why not get a cheap RGB keyboard, like this, or this?

If he can live with no RGB you could get a mechanical keyboard for $20, or a really nice one for as low as $50. The whole "they're too expensive" argument only really applies to the ones that are already overpriced, the "gaming" keyboards like Razer and Corsair and Logitech.

I went with the Red Dragon mech keyboard. Been using it for months with no problem. Still one of the best keyboard I've used so far. I got the RGB one and the light customization is amazing.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019O9BLVY/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504038172&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=red%2Bdragon%2Bkeyboard&dpPl=1&dpID=41j-vKWKFfL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1#

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019O9BLVY?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY

This is the one i use its a lil compact (small) but it works great.

Reviews ain’t bad on this one

If you want to go “cheap”.

You can almost get one for $45. With a coupon, gift card, or sale you might get it below $40.

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-RGB-Mechanical-Keyboard-Construction/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_3?crid=138NO0YZIELLS&keywords=red+dragon+rgb+keyboard&qid=1556508291&s=gateway&sprefix=Red+dragon+rgb%2Caps%2C132&sr=8-3

Here is the best option for PC

64GB of ram is a lot, a 2TB SSD is a lot as well. 500GB HDD is not a good option, 1TB is way better. It's possible with your budget:

pc-kombo shared list

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 1700 | $289.99 @ superbiiz
Motherboard | MSI B350 Tomahawk | $99.99 @ Amazon.com
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LED white DDR4-3000 CL15 (64 GB) | $599.99 @ newegg
Storage | WD Blue WD10EZEX (1 TB) | $45.79 @ superbiiz
SSD | Crucial MX300 (2 TB) | $544.62 @ Amazon.com
Case | BitFenix Comrade Midi-Tower - white Window | $59.99 @ superbiiz
Operating System | Windows 10 Home (32/64-bit, USB Flash Drive) | $102.99 @ superbiiz
| Total | $1743.36
| Generated by pc-kombo 20.09.2017 |

The Ryzen 7 1700 is an 8-core with 16 threads. It is a regular consumer cpu that is a good fit for things like video rendering, but you should be aware that with your budget a high core count threadripper cpu would also be possible, just not with as much ram and ssd storage.

The case is white and with a window, since it has to be a specific size and support an optical drive there was not much choice. You might want to swap out the mainboard to have a different style, but what I saw as a better fit was too expensive.

The display could be as simple as https://www.productchart.com/monitors/10237, proper 24" curved displays from Samsung.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826816067 is a nice mouse (with RGB), https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY?th=1 a keyboard with RGB backlight. There are of course many other options, also some white ones.

I'm not which optical drive you want (dvd, bluray?), and don't know nothing about standalone microphones.

Sounds good.. but how would it compare to something like the Redragon K552-RGB KUMARA RGB ?

Also I have no experience with Outemu switches, are they differeent at all?
Finally, how does it compare with your Magicforce/ducky?
Thanks!

If the keyboard is so bad, than you should definitely get a better one. Get something like a Reddragon, or cheap Corsair. Links: https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY?th=1&psc=1 https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16823816083?

RedDragon K552 KUMARA Keyboard with Blue Switches https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_CezOAbR91BT7A

Keyboard would highly recommend this one https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-Mechanical-Keyboard-Computer-Equivalent/dp/B019O9BLVY?keywords=red%2Bdragon%2Bkeyboard&qid=1537328752&sr=8-4&ref=mp_s_a_1_4&th=1&psc=1
(The one without backlighting is 27$)

And for the mouse I have the hiraliy f300 which is 20$ the lighting on it looks amazing and it comfortable to use but there are so many other gaming mice so just find one with good reviews

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ZMY6CbFMTKRVY

This is the programmable lights turned on , to find out in how to do that just search it on YT or you can always message me.

The Redragon Kumara looks like it will work for you.

I'm looking for a tenkeyless Cherry MX Brown keyboard, ideally with at least white/blue if not RGB back light. I'd also be happy with a similar switch like Red but still with a white/blue or RGB backlight.

I've found this:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MRGQ6B2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2R1ECRASRXP6B&coliid=I3P854KGVKHOIF&psc=1

but this:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2R1ECRASRXP6B&coliid=IHZLMX6QT77CB&th=1

Has also caught my eye. The Corsair Vengeance K65 seems almost perfect without the backlight or led component which may be ok. Any recommendations?

Edit: I bough the Corsair Vengeance K65 short as a halfway point to the CM Masterkey Pro S. It is sweet.

I used this keyboard for ages, and the only reason I replaced it was because I wanted some more rgb compatibility with my other peripherals.

Considering getting the Redragon k552. Is this a good idea? I'm planning on changing the keycaps, painting the board, and possibly even changing the switches.

I can't find another keyboard around this price range with a square case and rgb lighting.

As someone who is a 100% noob when it comes to mechanical keyboards, can anyone explain to me what benefit there is to this keyboard over something like https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_xW5EDbP25HSR5 ? What added benefit am I missing for the extra $100 (cad) I would be spending on the razer one? Just the switches?

This one has blue switches. Just note the one I linked was the RGB one which is 3 bucks over your budget. You can pick a less lighting option or no lighting at all for less.

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525057438&sr=8-1&keywords=redragon%2Bk552&th=1

This one has brown switches, just know that it only comes in that blue color. The wireless version's wireless has a short battery life from the people I know who have it, but you can run it wired so you have the option to remove the cable at the cost of more money and no backlighting. How much you want a detachable cable is up to you, I linked the wired one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MS8YTYX/ref=twister_B076D5T12L?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Going to buy a friend of mine a KB for her birthday - needs to be inexpensive, under $50. Thinking of this Redragon or this Corsair Strafe. Opinions? She's not picky, but her KB has been shitty recently and she knows I'm into keyboards so it would make sense.

She would like RGB+wireless but that's a lot to ask for for my price, she isn't picky about switches either, just no clicky. I think the Redragon would be good for the price, she'll be fine with a wired keyboard. Anyone have experience with it, or have a better suggestion?

Gmmk compact: https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/the-glorious-gmmk-compact
A cheap mechanical keyboard with knockoff blues: https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-RGB-Mechanical-Keyboard-Construction/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?keywords=blue+switch+keyboard&qid=1564242281&s=gateway&sprefix=blue+switch&sr=8-9
Banggood/AliExpress: https://m.banggood.com/ https://h5.aliexpress.com/

Here I like this company, heard good things about the Kumara.

Here's the RGB variant

Redragon K552-RGB KUMARA RGB LED Backlit Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (Black)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O9BLVY

Well for $800. I'd recommend upgrading the components of your computer first, then spending a ton on a keyboard (Since it won't affect performance). Here's a super high-quality massdrop custom keyboard for $180, but here's a RedDragon K552 keyboard for $45. As you see, there are many inexpensive options, but also expensive options. I'd still go over and head to /r/MechanicalKeyboards and ask for recommendations and see what they can offer you (as im not a specialist on this), I wish you the best of luck!

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If you want it, It's $45 on Amazon. Just make sure, that if you get it, you get the one with the RGB backlight.

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-Mechanical-Keyboard-Equivalent/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=redrawn%2Bkumara%2Bk552&qid=1565329089&s=gateway&sr=8-2-fkmr0&th=1

If those are a bit too expensive and you don't wanna spend much, I'd look into budget RGB boards
Redragon maybe? I personally own a lot of boards and my K552 is my go to.
Here's the RGB model: https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K552-RGB-Mechanical-Keyboard-Construction/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=redragon+rgb&qid=1566443725&s=gateway&sr=8-3


You're not going to find a board that's not Corsair/Razer that's compatible with their software as the software is chip specific from the manufacturer.


My only tip though is simply not to tie yourself down to a certain brand unless you're going for a certain style, look, feel, etc...
If you're looking for these brands other options would be.
Corsair K68: https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Mechanical-Keyboard-Backlit-Resistant/dp/B079H7N61M?th=1

Razer BlackWidow TE Chroma v2: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0744NVPJ8/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0744NVPJ8&pd_rd_w=q8uoE&pf_rd_p=45a72588-80f7-4414-9851-786f6c16d42b&pd_rd_wg=oZTEt&pf_rd_r=EKDCKH87CWANFM9QFTHX&pd_rd_r=0c5fe876-fd28-48b6-b925-77f1bee46ff8&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFEMFBVQTRQS1dOWDkmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAxOTIwNjNTN1lCM1FFTEZHQzEmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDU4Mzc1NDFRV1pYTE40Q0RXWFAmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl


Hope I've been of some help, best of luck.

A decent pair of headphones for $25 if he doesn't already have some.

A better than most headset configuration (these headphones $16 + this mic $30) if he's got a "gaming" headset

A slightly heavy adjustable-weight mouse for $45

The mouse my GF bought me for $58

A nice clicky keyboard between $27 (no backlight) and $43 (rgb backlight)

Or as my GF did, you can demand that he build you a computer so you can play together! (added benefit of him getting to build something new which is my second favorite part)