Reddit reviews So You've Been Publicly Shamed

If anything, the hive mind of twitter/reddit/any personalised media ever scares the shit out of me. Imagine you do/say something a little stupid and it becomes trending. Tens of thousands of people will start to shame you! I can't take criticism from one person! Imagine how it would feel to not only feel hated by everyone ever and dragged into the spotlight against your will, but also to have future employers able to see that one bad or misconstrued joke.

Also, the role of journalists has consistently kept government honest and people still want to hear the opinions of people who have the time and money to research stuff for them.

This book - Mandatory Reading

For anyone who is interested there is a great book about the power and influence social media shaming has in our modern world. The book is titled So You've Been Publicly Shamed By Jon Ronson.

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Read this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594487138

So You've Been Publicly Shamed is a pretty decent read

There’s an interesting book on the subject.

https://www.amazon.com/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594487138/

The author tracked down and interviewed a number of the people who had their bad behavior go viral, such as the PR director who was getting on a flight and tweeted the terrible joke about not getting AIDS in South Africa because she’s white. In most of the cases, the subjects didn’t rebound and get their lives back on track. Except maybe one dude who had no shame to begin with.

He was very embarrassed - I actually called him out about it in a friendly way during course discussion, and asked if it made him feel differently about Chihiro knowing his secret, and he was wavering a lot - "I dunno, man..."

The girl who sits in front of him interjected "He's still cute, though!" to which he responded "Yeah, I guess." I diverted it back to questions about gender and discussion about their course common reading - "So You Think You've Been Publically Shamed" (https://www.amazon.com/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594487138) and discussion ended up being incredibly productive.

>Why do you think that this reflects on most progressives?

Because lots of SJ activists like to gang up on people.

>Also what is the worst that one guy could do?

Start a witch hunt.

> I'm concerned that the left is succumbing to the exact same rhetoric.

Yes, you are seeing our tribalist tendencies in action. People rationalize their hatred, violence, and the ends justifying the means all the time when it's "us" vs "them".

I'm to the point where I refer to the left and right extremes as the Rattlers and the Eagles in honour of the Robbers Cave Experiment that both are falling subject to.

You might also point them to Jon Ronson's So You've Been Publicly Shamed which documents mob justice online. A good one to show the problem was Justine Sacco, who made an ironic tweet about her "white privilege" that was misconstrued while she was on a long flight to Africa, and by the time she got off the plane her life was ruined, career ruined, and headed for years of therapy. That she was liberal and anti-racist is irrelevant to the mob that destroyed her. It was enough to them that they could interpret her how they felt and do her harm.

History repeats itself. We're headed toward the violent extremism we say between communist authoritarians and fascist authoritarians that we say in the first half of last century. Ignoring them certainly isn't a viable solution. Standing up to them both is necessary. It's up to us liberals (meaning actually liberal, not just "left of center", as opposed to authoritarian) to settle them both down, and that isn't easy.

> Tomorrow you'll forget about this, but these young people will have to live with it for a long time

relevant read

recommended reading

or listening

or even if you only have twenty minutes to spare

You've just reminded me of the Jon Ronson book on the topic, So You've Been Publicly Shamed - it's definitely worth a read.

haha if you are a reader, this book is great and really has changed my outlook on the way I think about people who make big shitty mistakes on the internet: https://www.amazon.ca/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594487138/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499189746&sr=8-1&keywords=so+you%27ve+been+publicly+shamed

I read that book over a year ago, and this is actually instance is the first time I have really felt strongly about someone getting raked over the coals publicly (and you can imagine the amount of shitty things someone can see on the internet in that amount of time haha)

There's an interesting chunk in Jon Ronson's newest book, So You've Been Publicly Shamed, that talks about it.

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> And sure there is an element of bullying in it. And that's exactly what draws some people to it. Because these are, you know, not the kind of people who normally get to feel what it is like to be "over" someone else. They don't normally get to feel "powerful".

> But here is a weapon they now have that can hurt people. They can get other people in trouble. They can turn other people into "outcasts". Now they can feel what it is like to be powerful.

Jon Ronson writes about this in his great book,
So You've Been Publicly Shamed.

He writes how it felt great to "take down" transgressors on social media, before he realized they weren't just the little people punching up at the powerful anymore, but they were an internet mob attacking largely powerless individuals for minor transgressions.

It's a great book and it was very cathartic for me personally after my ex whipped up an angry mob against me on Tumblr for breaking up with her (she was very active and had a lot of followers) by turning it into a racial thing because I'm a white man and she was Latina woman.

It's crazy that you can convince random people on the internet to harass someone they have never met - trying to get someone fired or sending them death threats - but it happened to me. That's the power of mob mentality. The fact they wrap themselves in the flag of a righteous cause makes it hard to criticize, because you will often be labelled a bigot or apologist if you come out against their tactics.

Jon Ronson wrote a very interesting book about the effects of public shaming.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594487138

People get a real rush when they tear someone down. It's not a new phenomena. A smart guy named Jon Ronson wrote a book about it.

Social media took an ugly aspect of ourselves that was always there and force-fed it steroids by the fistful. Now it's a monster that's run amok.

The book "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by Jon Ronson is a really interesting read. This situation really reminds me of the cases he discusses in the book.

It's not exactly a new concept.

Guess this guy is pretty big in the alt-right for writing this book.

Maybe you should educate yourself. Now excuse me while I pleasure my waifu in VR because real women lie about being raped.

You should give ["So You've Been Publicly Shamed"] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594487138/ref=x_gr_w_glide_bb?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_w_glide_bb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1594487138&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2) by Jon Ronson a read. It covers different stories somewhat similar to this and explores the consequences. The book's fairly nuanced with some interesting ideas.

Probably one of my favorite books I've read this year.

>And he the head of state visits them personally in there own home.

Putin is just a really nice guy. Probably had a copy of So You've Been Publicly Outed As a Government Assassin on hand to give the two poor guys.

There's an interesting book that goes into this subject. It has a few cases over the last few years that you will have forgotten about and shows the consequences for these people.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1594487138/ref%3Dcm_sw_r_cp_awdb_OuiyzbZ6TD8P8

1. Vote manipulation is irrelevant here.
   
   
2. What have I said that is slanderous?
   
   
3. If I'm stalking you, go to the police.
   
   
4. I did not know/forgot he had anonymous accounts.
   
   
5. It is not for me to assume guilt of an individual that hasn't been prosecuted. Innocent until proven guilty.
   
   
6. Do you always insult people who disagree with you? Quite aside from anything else, insulting people is not going to endear people to your point of view.
   
   
7. Read this book on public shaming.
   
   
8. If you've been raped, go to the police. Don't just go on Twitter/Reddit etc. and whip up a self-righteous virtue signal army.

no. Fisher is a stand-in (a position that she basically volunteered herself for) but she's not the only target of that hashtag imo. You can't be cyberbullying everyone at the same time. That's not bullying. You're better off trying to say it's racist (when you mean prejudice) because at least that makes sense. She put herself in this spotlight. We didn't put her there.

#HasJustineLandedYet was more cyberbullying and I maintain to this day I don't regret anything about what happened to Justine Sacco. Not because I think she's racist or hates people. I think what she did was unintentionally prejudice and she should have known better.

Cyber-shaming is a complicated issue. There's a book that was making the rounds about cyber shaming and the damage it can do. So you've been shamed. It goes into stories like Sacco and others and I'm sure it's very interesting. At the moment however I don't think Fisher is getting more than she deserves. The hashtag is about her only indirectly. It's about what she represents which is this idea that she should have gotten in and that because she didn't the system is racist against her.

Recommended reading from CGP Grey for any content creator.