Reddit reviews Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America

Survival Math, The Color of Law, Killing The Black Body, and Stamped From The Beginning are all really good ones as well. Not sure which avenue of "black books" you're trying to go down specifically so I just threw out some general titles. Let me know if you're looking for something unlike what I listed and I'd be happy to give more!

Look, the civil war was about SLAVERY. The entire existence of the confederacy was about the chattel slavery of African people. ( I highly recommend that you read Stamped From the Beginning). There is no other identity for a confederate sympathizer than a supporter of the enslavement and oppression of black people. Hell, the confederate flag didn't even become a thing until AFTER reconstruction in response to the new-found freedom of black people.

> What if someone's parents were both black confederate supporters, their grandparents fought in the civil war for the Confederacy, and they're proud of their cultural heritage? Should they hate their heritage and the culture they came from?

This is a very, very small population. If a black person, whose slave ancestor fought for the south, wants to display a confederate flag I think they are very confused about history.

>If someone is proud to have Spanish ancestry does that mean they support the Spanish inquisition, and are racist against south Americans?

Being Spanish isn't only about the Spanish Inquisition or about the mistreatment of the colonies.

>If someone is a proud American and proud of their family history of military service are they embracing Hiroshima?

I don't think every person who is proud to be an American is responsible for the country's war crimes.

>What about the vikings? If you're proud of your viking ancestry does it mean you believe in pillaging villages, and raping women?

I have never met someone who is proud of their viking ancestory who wasn't a neo-nazi, fascist, fascist adjacent, or an idiot high school kid. Also, "viking" isn't a heritage.

> If someone is proud to be Greek does it mean they believe in feeding Christians to lions?

No. Again, this is a false equivalency. The confederacy was ONLY about slavery. I grew up thinking the civil war was about "states rights." And, it was. State's rights to OWN MOTHER-FUCKING SLAVES.

If you would like to read one book that may expand some of your thinking on this topic, consider reading Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America

Edit: Forgot to mention this book The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America

read a book, stay out my dm

What academic, except for Jordan Peterson, respects Murray as an academic? Again, the man doesn't work for a college or university—he publishes bullshit books and papers for the Koch-funded American Enterprise Institute so that the hillbilly Republican party can cite something when it needs to argue that black people are intellectually inferior to whites.

Besides, the entire premise of Murray's book is totally false—it's as though you're trying to compare the IQ scores of different kinds of hobgoblins. And, as I said, and as you ignored, racial categories were invented by slave traders and purity-of-blood-obsessed Spanish royals in the 16th century. They don't actually exist. More information can be found about this in Stamped From The Beginning, written by a guy who actually works at a university, unlike Charles Murray.

And, again, I would invite you to examine Murray's sources, as well, though you have already refused to do so. The respected academics he mentions have been arrested in England for pro-Nazi activities. Many also publish in Mankind Quarterly, which, if you examine its website, appears to concern itself with nothing but phrenology—truly the realm of real intellectuals.

The Bell Curve also drew heavily from research paid for by the Pioneer Fund, which is linked to eugenics, Nazis, white supremacists, you name it. Wickliffe Preston Draper, the Fund's head, was in favor of sending all African Americans to Africa and contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money to oppose the Civil Rights Movement, for instance. The Pioneer Fund is essentially the frontal lobe of Strom Thurmond.

If you looked at the Pioneer Fund's wikipedia page, which I know you won't, as well as that page's endless list of sources, you might start to wonder if this is the side you want to be on. And, again, you insist on sources from me, but Peterson never quotes from the left-leaning academics he so thoroughly despises. (Peterson also quotes from Wikipedia in his books.) We wouldn't want to quote from Marx, either, because the 20th century has already proven that Karl's ideas are extremely tempting.

Here are two more quotes for you to ignore:

> No fewer than seventeen researchers cited in the bibliography of The Bell Curve have contributed to Mankind Quarterly. Ten are present or former editors, or members of its editorial advisory board. This is interesting because Mankind Quarterly is a notorious journal of “racial history” founded, and funded, by men who believe in the genetic superiority of the white race. source

I'm not able to quote the rest from that site, as it requires a subscription. But there's plenty of information about Murray's sources elsewhere.

> ...by scrutinizing the footnotes and bibliography in The Bell Curve, readers can more easily recognize the project for what it is: a chilly synthesis of the work of disreputable race theorists and eccentric eugenicists. source

I'm also still waiting for you to address the remainder of the points in my previous response.