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u/DiomedesVIII · 9 pointsr/AncientGreek

Most editions of the NT don't include Loeb-style facing Greek and English texts. The most popular editions include Greek-only with an apparatus, footnotes, and dictionary. A Reader's Greek NT (amazon link below) has the best footnotes for the best price (mostly just uncommon words). There's also an interlinear lexicon available, if you want the extra help. It speeds up ease of reading, with common words listed by book and chapter, but you may not need it (link below).

As far as dialect goes, most people find Attic easier than Koine. The exception is that some vocabulary is context-driven, with meanings which are specific to the NT, Septuagint, or both (which is where Kubo is useful). Sometimes, authors use Hebrew expressions translated literally into Greek. I would start with John, and I John (and Mark is probably too easy), if you want to get a grasp of the style. Move into Luke/Acts if you want something that more resembles Attic style narrative (i.e. harder). Hebrews also resembles Attic grammar in some ways, but contains more Hebraisms.

If you are stuck on Greek/English interlinears in the Loeb style, you might want to consider reading Flavius Josephus (available in Loeb). His works on the History of the Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities use an Attic/Koine mix that might be more useful than trying to slog through new NT vocabulary. The Apostolic Fathers, which are post-NT Christian authors, are also available in Loeb, and they have similar themes and vocabulary to NT.

Ultimately, I would not recommend reading the NT unless your goal is to read the NT. If you want to get better at reading Attic, go read something written by native Athenians (Xenophon, Plato, etc.).

Links:

Reader's NT: https://www.amazon.com/Readers-Greek-New-Testament-Third/dp/0310516803/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1542997817&sr=8-5&keywords=greek+new+testament

Sakae Kubo: https://www.amazon.com/Readers-Greek-English-Testament-Zondervan-Reference/dp/0310269202/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542998398&sr=8-1&keywords=sake+kubo

Josephus (War I-III): https://www.amazon.com/Josephus-Classical-Library-English-Ancient/dp/0674992237/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1542999070&sr=1-3&keywords=loeb+flavius+josephus

Apostolic Fathers I: https://www.amazon.com/Apostolic-Fathers-Vol-Ignatius-Classical/dp/0674996070

u/OtherWisdom · 8 pointsr/AcademicBiblical

>…it is clear that this author (a) does not yet have anything like a canon of "New Testament" Scriptures, and yet (b) is beginning to ascribe authority to the words of Jesus and the writings of his apostles (see Hagner). He quotes Jesus' words on several occasions (see chs. 13 and 46), evidently as he knows them from oral traditions rather than written Gospels, since the quotations do not match any of our surviving texts.

u/niado · 5 pointsr/AcademicBiblical

>Most find it unpersuasive due to it being contradicted by the historical record.

I'm not sure that most (most who? People? Scholars? Christians?) find the arguments unpersuasive. I haven't read all the scholarly reviews of these works but the ones I have were positive. Also, contradiction of established historical record is typically not well received.

>"Well-received" does not mean accepted. It means responded to, taken seriously, respected. I respect the idea, just like I respect your thoughts on the matter. Your comments here are well-received by me

I agree. I appreciate your respect and I reciprocate!


>Incorrect. I am referring to Clement of Rome who quoted Acts of the Apostles between 96 and 98 AD.

I had actually never heard this mentioned before, which is odd because if this was accepted then it would be the immediate answer to the flood of questions on this sub regarding dating of the gospels.


I found several blogs making the claim but it appears this is not a scholarly position. I found a previous comment by /u/Otherwisdom which is informative (emphasis mine):

>…it is clear that this author (a) does not yet have anything like a canon of "New Testament" Scriptures, and yet (b) is beginning to ascribe authority to the words of Jesus and the writings of his apostles (see Hagner). He quotes Jesus' words on several occasions (see chs. 13 and 46), evidently as he knows them from oral traditions rather than written Gospels, since the quotations do not match any of our surviving texts.

u/captainhaddock · 1 pointr/AcademicBiblical

For the Didache, the Loeb Classical Library edition would probably be what you're looking for. Translated by Bart Ehrman. :)