Reddit reviews The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil

As I've mentioned before take a look at the Lucifer Effect.

tocmai am terminat Mona Lisa Overdrive din trilogia Sprawl, si acum citesc The Lucifer Effect de Philip Zimbardo

I really liked Zimbardo's The Lucifer Effect.

Its the same psychological principle at work. Ok maybe it's a little more than actually just a uniform, but that's what it boils down to.

Psychologist Zimbardo masterminded the famous Stanford Prison Experiment, in which college students randomly assigned to be guards or inmates found themselves enacting sadistic abuse or abject submissiveness. In this penetrating investigation, he revisits—at great length and with much hand-wringing—the SPE study and applies it to historical examples of injustice and atrocity, especially the Abu Ghraib outrages by the U.S. military. His troubling finding is that almost anyone, given the right "situational" influences, can be made to abandon moral scruples and cooperate in violence and oppression.

http://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Effect-Understanding-Good-People/dp/1400064112

http://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Effect-Understanding-Good-People/dp/1400064112

It's about the Standford Prison Experiment, Abu Ghraib, and Situationism.

Also look into the blog The Situationist.

It's The Lucifer Effect, (by Philip Zimbardo, the guy who made the Stanford Prison Experiment). Almost anyone, given the right situational influences, can be made to abandon moral scruples and cooperate in violence and oppression. "Social settings and the system contaminate the individual, rather than the other way around."

Can you not remember the Holocaust, Kent State, Operation Northwoods, or the My Lai Massacre? The former further proves how easy it can be for a commanding officer to convince its soldiers to do his immoral deeds. And please dont paste that silly Amazon link US_Ranger. Yes it was easier for them to rationalize being foreign and labeled "terrorists" but what about Kent State? History is speckled with examples of the powerful using violence to pacify the majority.


US_Ranger, everytime someone brings up a valid argument that you disagree with, you automatically paste that silly link to a book. While this book definitely has valid points - it is easier for a foreigner to be labeled a "terrorist" and thus much easier to rationalize the kill. THIS IS TRUE and if you were to read any of the responses you got to posting such a silly response (which by the way you could have posted something that one wouldnt have to buy and get shipped to read up on your counter-argument, this is just terrible debating tactics) all their responses agree with you and offered why this may not apply.

But the point is IF the situation EVER were to occur where the military was forced to come into contact with its citizins (which is very likely with OWS) then the commanding officer could ARGUABLY be able to convince his men to move in with extreme force especially if you had to ability to warn loved ones. We have seen this happen already. Substitute the police, who swore to the same principles as the military. The police have already used arguably over-excessive force. And once again, IF a situation were to arise where the military would take over for or join with the police to suppress unruly OWS protestors, this situation would obviously be VERY dire and in the eyes of the govt would require even more excessive force!


In fact, I'm going to counter-argue your silly Amazon counter-argument link with another silly Amazon link. BAM! Oh an even another book!
Buy them up quick, and make sure to select overnight shipping so we may continue our conversation!

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The Lucifer Effect by Philip Zimbardo

The Lucifer Effect