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u/[deleted] · 28 pointsr/seduction

I am obsessed. Here is my current collection:

Most of these you can find on thepiratebay / etc, but I own a hard copy of all of these except for The Mystery Method, which I read probably 5 times before I found Magic Bullets (actually don't own that either, just the pdf). I'll add to this list if I think of more.

Must Reads:

Magic Bullets - Savoy ==>> [Torrent] it's expensive!

  • This book is so excellent. It's like a PUA encyclopedia. It walks you through the process, and cites every major text along the way.. none of this "my way works best" crap, but not afraid to make judgments either. For pickup books that employ some form of the M3 Model (however loosely.. which I think means: everyone except Ross Jeffries), this is the authoritative text. If you have an approach that is proven, important, and credible, then it is probably cited in this book.

    Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion - Robert Cialdini

  • I got this book because it is #1 on this list. Turns out, it is the modern version of Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends and Influence People (see review below).. only this time, it's by someone who knows a thing or two about applied psychology (which either didn't exist back then, or was too under-developed to matter). This guy freaking went undercover as a used car salesman, working with fundraisers, etc. Interestingly enough, I bought this book in the same order as The Game, and in chapter 1 Strauss mentions reading Cialdini's book to prepare for a trip to Belgrade with Mystery, which was his formal introduction into the PUA community.

    The Art of Seduction - Robert Greene

  • I'm not done with this one yet, but I will say this: if you have a conscience, don't read this. It really is a fascinating study of seduction, but it does focus on seduction as a tool to victimize people.. That said, unlike your typical pick-up type book which does not bother to categorize gamers' personality types, this book categorizes different "types" of seducers. This is extremely helpful because you can figure out what type of seducer fits you best, and what things you need to focus on to improve your game.

    How to Win Friends & Influence People - Dale Carnegie

  • This book has sold over 15 million copies. It was originally written in 1937, but has been revised once or twice since it became the best selling self-help type book of all time, which it probably still is. He walks you through the basic principles of how to motivate people.. what works, what doesn't.. etc. Fun, easy, captivating read. It looks thick, but I think I unintentionally read it cover to cover in one sitting the first time I read it in college.. so it's a quick read.


    Should reads:

    The Game - Neil Strauss

  • I think this is one of the best selling pick-up type books. I liked reading it, but it was less of a tutorial book and more of an autobiography.. it does get the job done though. It also is a very entertaining read, and if you doubt that PUA stuff actually works, this will prove to you otherwise because Strauss was a very timid and ugly mofo, but he fucked Jenna Jameson.

    The Mystery Method : How to Get Beautiful Women Into Bed - Mystery, Chris Odom, Neil Strauss

  • This introduced me into the world of PUA my senior year of college when I inadvertently stumbled upon a torrent of it (I was probably looking for something to jerk off to. How poetic). I downloaded it just to skim through it skeptically, but this book eventually introduced me to a whole new world. This is an excellent staple / beginner's text, even though I now recommend Magic Bullets because it is so much more objective and inclusive of alternate styles and approaches along the way.

    How to Get the Women You Desire into Bed - Ross Jeffries

  • Not done with this yet, but Ross Jeffries is a freak (not meant to be insulting to him). I have no doubt that his methods are effective, but they are very different. And he really seems a bit evil, as opposed to merely mischievous like most other PUAs are. I haven't decided how incompatible, if not just different, his methods are with the Mystery / Strauss crowd.. but then again, I have never field tested any of his methods myself.

    Truth in Comedy: The Manual of Improvisation - Charna Halpern, Del Close, Kim Johnson

  • A close friend of mine who studied improv in New York lent me this, and I forgot about it until recently -- but it is a very short but brilliant book about comedy. I'm listening now to David DeAngelo's Cock Comedy series, and I realized that almost everything he's saying is straight out of this little text. It's not really something essential for pick-up, which is why I wouldn't put it in Must Reads, but it is excellent nonetheless.


    Meh, they're alright:

    The Pickup Artist: The New and Improved Art of Seduction - Mystery, Neil Strauss

  • You can definitely get some good stuff out of this book, but the whole thing comes across as an excuse for Mystery to brag about how awesome he is. He seriously spends an entire chapter (maybe more) telling a story about him bragging to other PUAs. He does deserve it though, the man is the single most influential PUA ever, if not the most successful in the field.

    Rules of the Game - Neil Strauss

  • This is one of those books that you read once a day for 30 days, and write down statements of intent right in the book like "it is my goal to lose my virginity before my next birthday in 3 months." Probably good for beginners, but I skimmed through this after having been gaming in the field for several months.

    Haven't read yet:

    What Every BODY is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People - Joe Navarro, Marvin Karlins

  • This looks really good.

    NLP: The New Technology of Achievement - NLP Comprehensive

    Easy Mind-Reading Tricks - Robert Mandelberg, Ferruccio Sardella

    Palm Reading for Beginners: Find Your Future in the Palm of Your Hand (For Beginners (Llewellyn's)) - Richard Webster

    There are also some good videos out there (links are to torrents. these are all several hundred $$):


    Excellent Videos

    The Annihilation Method - Neil Strauss

  • I met a guy who said he was looking around his apartment for things to sell so he could afford the $375 this costs. apparently he didn't think to check thepiratebay ;)

    Mystery and Style

  • The videos of Mystery in here are just excellent. It's very interesting to see Mystery actually interacting with other people (not in a set), since he is the god of pick-up.

    Decent Videos

    Psychic Influence - Ross Jeffries

  • This is interesting.. I'm not much of a Jeffries guy though, mostly because he's the most oddball of the group, and I haven't studied his material enough.
u/utopianfiat · 28 pointsr/TwoXChromosomes

Do you have a girlfriend currently? Because I've found that it changes things.

There was definitely a time in college when I was happily "friend-zoned" with quite a few women when I was single who changed their tune completely after I got a girlfriend, mostly to the tune of "Wouldn't your girlfriend mind if she saw us hanging out together?" or straight-up ignoring me. (NOTE: No, because my girlfriend isn't a controlling asshole.)

The trouble, I think, is that there actually is a subset of women who operate under the social assumption that hangouts are mini-dates and that a relationship is the inevitable next step (rather than "best friends" or "business partners" or other sorts of platonic relationships). When you combine that with the masculine stereotype of sex being the only thing on a man's mind when he interacts with a woman, it sort of reinforces the idea that "friends" is a masculine social failure and a feminine social rejection.

Regarding OP's pic, that shit is straight up dumb. What's worse though, is that these guys are handed a boutique gym-and-tan trial, this book (I shittest thee not), and an extra-large cup of "grow some balls and start being aggressive with women", rather than "Get a fucking clue and realize that if you were in her position, you would want to be able to reject a sexual advance for any reason. Stop being an antisocial asshole whose only thought is getting his rocks off and maybe you'll attract someone nice, even."

u/StraightCougar · 11 pointsr/seduction

When you learn martial arts, the instructor doesn't just tell you to go in and fight! He teaches you technique. Game is exactly the same, yes practice is great, but if you don't even know the basics, get your head in the books, get a coach, or however you wanna learn. Credit to Arash for the analogy.

Recommended reading

Women Ignition by 60YearsOfChallenge (intermediate-master) <--- This dude was my mentor and I am a beast for that, much love to ya 60!

Anything by RSD/Real Social Dynamics ( Beginner-Master)

Mystery Method (Beginner)

The Game (SUPER beginner)

The Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game By Nick Savoy/Braddock (Looks cheesy but it really is a great book)

Recommended websites

mASF (general advice beginner-master)

Casanovacrew (L.A/Vegas lairs/meetings)

RSD (Great coaches/solid game beginner-master)

Recommended Puas to follow
Manwhore (sexual escalation/love this bro/he's not a douche, comes off that way.... nice guy)

Psych/Dj Fuji (VERY structured game)

Mystery/Neil Strauss/Matador (Mystery Method, the torch carriers of game)

Tyler Durden/Jeffy/Brad P (RSD, some of the biggest names, very good)

Bravo (online game/really great guy/highly recommend him)

Arash ( This dudes inner game is on point. I have one of his speeches saved, I'll upload if you want it Seddit) <--- Really nice dude, nothing like I thought he was gonna be

Hypnotica (Inner game master, talked to this dude once, I felt and still feel amazing)

Get to reading!
Edit:Updated shit.

u/planetmatt · 7 pointsr/self

The fact that he played it cool when you first met and didn't overly peruse you is actually the perfect play according to the The Mystery Method. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mystery-Method-Erik-von-Markovik/dp/0312360118

u/Thameus · 7 pointsr/OutOfTheLoop

> e.g. they both use negging but is there a version where it is way more harsh? also, are pick up artists more socially acceptable than the red pillers

"Negging" is a specific PUA technique from the "Mystery Method" that is meant to "break through the bitch shield" and convince a woman that you are (in essence) sincere about engaging her socially and not just messing around. This is perhaps the most positive way to phrase that. PUAs "play a numbers game" in order to engage women that, as they see it, "want to be picked up".

A PUA is on a mission to get himself laid; whether or not that technique leads to something more substantive exceeds the scope of the technique. The general consensus is that these are "Dark Side of the Force" tactics.

Whether this is more socially acceptable than the red-pillers' deeper issues with power and sexual politics probably depends on your perspective.

u/AtticusSeduction · 6 pointsr/seduction

You really need to read the guides on this subreddit, look to your right.

If that isn't enough start with: http://contemporarylit.about.com/od/memoir/fr/theGame.htm
Then go read: http://www.amazon.com/The-Mystery-Method-Beautiful-Women/dp/0312360118

Also, your post is all about how you are and thinking that you won't need to change yourself to be successful. While you won't have to change the core of how you are, alot of "game" or "Seduction" is about be confident inside, changing how you view yourself and how that translates to success with women.

Read the books, then come back and ask

u/acangiano · 4 pointsr/secretsanta

I would send him this book and this book. I know they are controversial, but let's face it, chances are the guy is depressed because he feels lonely. I'd also recommend writing a kick ass letter to encourage him, as mentioned by yaboyAllen.

u/psykocrime · 4 pointsr/relationship_advice

> TL;DR: I'm 22 and have only had one relationship. How do I meet new girls to date? Specifically, how do I approach them in a bar/club and during the day?

A couple of thoughts to help you out:

First, remind yourself of this "Guys are just really ugly girls." (It's a metaphor OK, don't go too far with it) and ask yourself if you're comfortable talking to strange (to you) males? If the answer is "no," then you need to work on the basics of conversing with others. So, start with the basics:

How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie

How to Talk to Anyone by Leil Lowndes

How to Instantly Connect with Anyone by Leil Lowndes

How to Start a Conversation and Make Friends by Don Gabor

If you've got basic "conversation / small-talk with strangers" nailed, then there is a fair amount of good material out there on how to start conversations with girls; and how to interact with them in a positive way. See:

The big honking list of openers put out by TSB and the books The Game, The Mystery Method, and/or The Pickup Artist.

Robert Greene's The Art of Seduction is a valuable read as well.

FWIW, I think you'll get more useful answers to a question like this on /r/seduction. /r/relationship_advice seems geared more towards managing an existing relationship, whereas /r/seduction is heavily focused on the "initiation phase." There is a TON of material out there on how to overcome anxiety about approaching women, TONS of stuff on how to be a better conversationalist, stuff on how to amp her attraction for you, etc., etc.

Two links that might be of use to you:

New to Seddit?

Fast Seduction.com "You Are New"

Good luck!

u/impotent_rage · 3 pointsr/TwoXChromosomes

>Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but I'm fairly certain he was trying to get into my pants.

Lol, of course he was! He asked for your number, you gave it, you texted, you arranged a date...to him, this means everything is progressing well, and that he may have a chance with you.

Sounds like he's inexperienced and bad at romance, because he doesn't read others well enough to recognize when they return his interest so as to not come off as pushy. Either that or he just doesn't care about your comfort or interest so long as he gets what he wants.

You feel skeeved because his social cluelessness meant that he wasn't calibrating his actions to you. Most guys won't escalate physically unless you are sending plenty of clear, unmistakable signals that you are into it, when they try much smaller things (holding your hand, hand on the knee, touching your shoulder in conversation, etc). The fact that he kept jumping to much more physical things without checking first to make sure that you are receptive to smaller things, says that he is either clueless about dating and social interaction in general, or a pushy bully who doesn't care how you feel just so long as he gets his way. Either way, you are right to feel skeeved.

As far as how to act now, here's what I'd suggest. In a friendly but VERY blunt way, the next time he contacts you, tell him, "I've decided that it would be better if we are friends at work but not see each other outside of work. The other night you pushed my boundaries too far and I was uncomfortable. But I'm not mad at you or anything and I don't want this to affect anything between us at work."

But the bigger piece of advice I have for you is to read this book = "Mystery Method: How to Get Beautiful Women Into Bed". It is considered THE definitive manual for pickup artists everywhere - any guy wanting to get into pickup will read this book first. It's short, readable, informative, and VERY interesting. The fact that you consider yourself naive and inexperienced says to me that you need to educate yourself on how men think and what the male approach is to dating and sex. I think if you read this book, it will open your eyes in many, many ways both to what happened to you that night and to dating and men in general. It will help you protect yourself and get what you want out of dating, by knowing what (some) men do. And I'm not suggesting or implying that all men are like this at all, far from it - but I think you need to know that some men think this way, and I think you need to understand it, to overcome some of the naive-ness that comes from your inexperience.

I have a pdf file of this book on my computer, and I could email it to you in its entirety if you don't want to buy it, PM me if you are interested.

edit: upon rereading my comment, I think I didn't emphasize this enough - this guy is a total creep. Don't be alone with him again. The fact that he kept pushing after you did things like push his hands away or turn away from a kiss, that says to me that he does not care about violating you. Don't be alone again because he could rape you. I'm serious. He's not a good guy. Good guys won't push you when you seem uncomfortable.

u/shawnbunch · 3 pointsr/AskReddit

No, but if it is I'll definitely look into it. I feel texting is not as difficult because I have a good period of time to determine what to say, which is like a double edged sword though because if you don't convey that same personality in person, women will catch on to you easily. The book that literally changed my entire thought process on women was this

u/ThrowawayPUA · 3 pointsr/seduction

The MM is still around, the most recent official products by Mystery himself are Venusian Arts Revelation and The Mystery Method: How to Get Beautiful Women Into Bed. They are both pretty straightforward explanations of the MM and worth reading. Revelation is the most recent (2010 I think) so it's updated with more modern ideas incorporated into the primary model.

Most other products evolved from MM. For example, Magic Bullets followed closely behind MM, former MM instructors like Sinn wrote major parts of it, and it uses the same basic model, with some specific enhancements.

u/klubsanwich · 2 pointsr/myfriendwantstoknow

The Game is just a story, though it does include some tips and examples of the techniques they use. It's more entertainment than educational.

Instead, he should read the actual handbook written by Neil Strauss and Eric von Markovik (Style and Mystery).

Disclaimer: It should go without saying that this material is somewhat controversial. I read The Game and the handbook back in college, and it did wonders for my confidence and romantic life, but I often get funny looks when I recommend these books. He also shouldn't expect changes overnight. Real confidence takes months or even years to build. By that time he may grow out of the desire for meaningless hookups and might find himself more interested in something more permanent. Either way, boosted confidence won't hurt.

u/TheDarkWave · 2 pointsr/creepyPMs

Here, I haven't read it but I saw some MTV documentary like 15 years ago with this Mystery fuckwit in it.

u/MindsEvolve · 2 pointsr/seduction

You can imagine how much material there is on these topics. I can try to get you a jump start.

Books: https://www.amazon.com/Game-NEIL-STRAUSS/dp/0062312979/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472500098&sr=8-1&keywords=the+game+neil+strauss

https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Method-Beautiful-Women-Into/dp/0312360118/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472500147&sr=8-1&keywords=mystery+method

https://www.amazon.com/Models-Attract-Women-Through-Honesty/dp/1463750358/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472500158&sr=8-1&keywords=models+manson

theattractionforums.com -> go to the newbie section

Read the popular posts from here in the side bar ->

If you think you need some personal help and want strategies based on your environment for creating a "funneling" strategy of getting hot women to come to you, just private message me.

Best of luck.

u/countingspoons · 1 pointr/relationship_advice

Study pickup arts and then beat them at their own game. Know the tactics that they use to get a girl into bed, and be on the alert.

The must-read on the topic is Mystery Method: How to Get Beautiful Women Into Bed, by Mystery I used to have a link to an online pdf of the entire book but I can't seem to find a working link now.

Side note - just because a guy employs some of the above tactics doesn't rule him out as a possible LTR, it just means that you need to be extra cautious about what his true motives are. The principles in the book are useful for helping guys do better at relating to women in general for any purpose, not just one night stands. But it is used most frequently for getting as many women to bed as quickly as possible.

Or, the simpler approach is this = actions speak louder than words. Disregard everything he says, disregard all promises made and intentions spoken, and only consider how motivated he seems to be based on his actions. This means waiting to have sex, because if you put out too early, you won't have had enough time to really observe what his true motives might be. If holding off on the sex seems to be driving guys away, this means it is working - it's repelling the guys who only wanted quick sex and nothing more.

u/greyflcn · 1 pointr/keto

All I can say, is that there's diminishing returns for normal cardio.

You'd probably be better off with Weight Training and then HIIT on the alternating days.

Both of which are rather time efficient compared to normal cardio.

Maybe spend the rest of the time to do some self-improvement reading?

u/richard944 · 1 pointr/asktrp

If you are looking for something a little more in-depth than reddit comments, this concept is covered in pretty good detail at one point in the textbook on game: https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Method-Beautiful-Women-Into/dp/0312360118

u/iluminatiNYC · 1 pointr/TheRedPill

First of all, I would like to state that before mentioning my additions that books should be thought of like classes in college. Yes, you need the basic knowledge to go do what you're going to do, but you also need to get off your ass and apply it.

Without further ado, here are my recommendations in addition to what was mentioned.

Pimp by Iceberg Slim (Robert Beck). It's a nice introduction to the psychology of gaming women on top of an interesting exploration of race, gender and intersectionality. It's smarter than it's rep.

The Mystery Method by Mystery (Erik von Markovik). It's not a great book, but it gives you immediate actionable steps to apply immediately. Then, once you read the theory and get experience, you can apply what you learned.

The Red Queen by Matt Ridley. This should be read with the next book to up your fundamentals in evo-psych.

Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan. Written as a critique of the first book, these two will give you some deeper theory of evo-psych.

u/Thiox · 1 pointr/AskReddit

I don't know where you're getting the idea it makes "pricks" out of people? I'm part of a PUA community where I live and we post our stories and experiences, post upcoming events etc. on there to help each other out. It's a great genuine community of guys.

One thing about game is it forces you to improve on multiple areas of your life. I learned this because once I started getting girls I still wasn't fullfilled (like WTF I know) so I had to figure out why not and take care of that. Game also teaches you about relationships, not just fucking, how to fuck a girl / get laid, it makes you work on understanding the other human being and how to make a relationship happy and thriving.

But of course some PUAs are fucked up and just out there to get you laid, lol, like Mystery (a PUA) and the Mystery Method (which is powerful shit). But stick with Neil Strauss, a real genuinely cool guy and his Rules of the Game book and your life will be better. Read the book, DO the missions (eg. go out and talk to 5 strangers) and your life will be better, I guarantee it. And I don't promise stuff much, lol.

http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Method-Beautiful-Women-Into/dp/0312360118/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302500893&sr=8-1

YOU may think certain guys are "pricks" but I'm sure they're the ones having so much fun in their lives and enjoying it to the fullest :), you jelly notathrowaway_23?

Anyway I made this account yesterday just to post this so you can DO RULES OF THE GAME! Because I was in your situation and this is what helped me become social and do what you're trying to do. Good luck.

u/Human-Stupidity_com · 1 pointr/MensRights

Reading the sneering comments against the book, makes me want to read the book!

The Mystery Method: How to Get Beautiful Women Into Bed

> He tells readers, "If you're undressing her and she says, ‘We should stop,' just agree with her... and then keep going. ‘I know, baby,' you reply as you continue to undress her. ‘We should stop'" (p. 202). Here, Mystery (2007) again suggests ignoring verbal communication entirely, implying that, unless physical force is used to stop the behavior, the woman is consenting to the activity. Thus, verbal resistance is ignored as pressure to have sex increases.

This, of course, could be interpreted as rape.

But really, a woman could clearly say "STOP" with no roundabouts. But, Mystery is right: She might imply: "We should stop now, or else we will not be able to stop any more" or "We should stop because we are about to commit a sin".

u/treehousedrew · 1 pointr/AskReddit

Say HI to literally EVERY girl you see. It worked for me. ohh and you might want to check out this book. I found it very helpful. http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Method-Beautiful-Women-Into/dp/0312360118/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323651244&sr=8-1

u/SkyMarshal · 0 pointsr/IAmA

Sure, The Game, Mystery Method, all of it is good. There's alot of personal connections, intellectual overlap, idea sharing, and whatnot among that community. Worth reading all of it and figuring out for yourself what works best.

u/Imadeitforgood · -1 pointsr/NoFap

I personally think that you should appreciate women's beauty, however I feel that catcalling would be unnecessary i didn't see any approach done "right", i actually feel that people, specially men should learn some social dynamics specially towards talking to the opposite sex, and by this i don't mean learn pick up and fuck as many girls as possible and shit like that, but because I feel that its important to be able to connect with women in a way. I feel that a lot of rapes, and sexual frustration, and probably prostitution is because men want an easy way out, and don't want to put in the work to approach women, and now you could even go online dating if you don't like it but i think that men become more aware of how to deal with this certain situation, I am working on myself to be able to approach a girl and give her a genuine compliment and to mean it because I say it and say it because I mean it, not to get attention that just because by catcalling people I 'prove im manly' they come off as needy and shit.

Although I feel that people, specially women, if you learned some pick up or rather some more sociability they see that as ungenuine and even more chumpy, but the counter argument i would say is they are not being genuine either, they use make up and they are manipulating their appearance to look more attractive and in a way is manipulating me to think better of them, I am against some of the principles of pick up but the dating science isn't wrong, but its on the right path. I personally think that, like in my case, if you know you suck with women, and you don't want to be in a path of crappiness and neediness, via using prostitution to get laid or roofing people to get laid or rather rape girls, or vast usage of porn, I would say that its good.

I personally would recommend reading Models by Mark Manson because the book is really fucking awesome and it would make you a better man, and perhaps reading the 'further reading' books from that book help you understand the mating system of humans, and to become a better man. I think the book itself is actually really good because it states more than just to get laid is to find quality women to be fullfillled and be more happier with women, and in a way is actually attacking the dating science in a way by attacking The Mystery Method which all pick up could be summed up by that single book. In a way I would recommend both and take the best from both because neither of them is 'wrong' but niether one of them is 'right'. I do agree with Manson's idea of confidence and working in yourself more than in women and being sexualy fulllfilled doesn't require large amounts of women, while I also agree with Mystery's focus on competence vs. confidence because he says that you can't quantify confidence and rather focus on number of approaches and really statistics because that shows competence and successful competence breeds confidence eventually but in a way Manson's idea is better, because he is coming from a place of abundance of women and general happiness, is like saying being 'good' with women is something you are and not do and your looks, money demographics and ect does matter in the equation, over mystery's idea which is coming from neediness, because he refers as girls having 'high value' and by that you are infering that you aren't enough for her so you have to in a way manipulate yourself into making her thinking you are 'good enough' so that it doesn't matter if you look like a fucking troll no matter what if your 'game' is 'tight' it doesn't matter what even if the girl is married or anything really, she will sleep with you and that isn't the case, because mysetery uses a lot of indirect and 'fool proof' tactics that are more convoluted than just expressing your intent and if it doesn't work out move on asap, I'd say that take the best they both are right, and both concepts are correct but im leaning more the natural no scripts type of things and just being freeforming it.
I'd recommend both people getting those two books and they will change your life or at least make you think better and be more aware of how to flirt better. And perhaps reading Double your Dating by David DeAngelo, this one focuses more on dating girls and setting up and getting exposure to women over, is focused on both competence and confidence, and in a more natural way. I'd say get them, you can torrent them if you are so cheap, but defenitely read up on them and see what comes out of it.

So defenitely get Models by mark manson and Mystery Method because you can get a really clear picture on the subject of picking up women, and Double your Dating by David D just the simple ebook don't dig too much into it.

other books, I heard of them, and read some reviews on amazon and they seem to have really good reviews but I haven't gotten them or read them but they seem legit too.

Bang by roosh V

Day bang by roosh v

The manual by W. Anton

the Natural by richard la ruina

Get inside her by Marni Kinrys

they all seem like good resources to start and move on from there... and work on specific sticking point, but i'd say don't believe everything use them as guidelines and not as rules, and take them with a pinch of salt. the reason for this was because when I read the Mystery Method, it was well argued and every contingency is planned for, that I couldn't really find fault with the method, And so I believed all the "high value" bullshit that i fucking felt that i needed to one up everybody and that isn't the case, i was able to rescue myself from that mindset by Models, and I really thought it was genuine and it doesn't rely on too much bullshit and is more natural there is no one upping bullshit. I am not preching seduction community but i feel men should know what they are doing, specially if they suck like me, and be just more aware of things.

Perhaps i'd also reccomend
Gifts of Imperfection by Breene Brown since this book really digs somewhat on the self acceptance/self worth/self esteem part and what pick up artist would call 'inner game' ...
I'd say pick whatever books you want to BUT STOP reading too much into it, i became too paranoid and wanted to read every book on pick up out there and that is not the case guys, hope i helped.

TLDR--read books, become aware, know better, don't be a creep but don't be chump either, get informed guys know your shit,

u/rationalitylite · -7 pointsr/DecidingToBeBetter

Some ideas in 4 categories:

Body Language: