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u/NeoPlatonist · 8 pointsr/philosophy

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The Open Society and Its Enemies, Vol. 1: The Spell of Plato [Paperback]
Karl Raimund Popper

u/tach · 7 pointsr/democracy

Karl Popper quite convincingly traces modern day fascism to Plato and his ideal city, in The Open Society and its enemies.

From Popper:

I believe that practically all the elements of Plato's political programme can be derived from these demands. They are, in turn based upon his historicism; and they have to be combined with his sociological doctrines concerning the conditions for the stability of class rule. The principal elements I have in mind are:

(A) The strict division of the classes; i.e. the ruling class consisting of herdmen and watch-dogs must be strictly separated from the human cattle.

(B) The identification of the fate of the sate with that of the ruling class; the exclusive interest in this class, and in its unity; and subservient to this unity, the rigid rules for breeding and educating this class, and the strict supervision and collectivization of the interests of its members.

(C) The ruling class has a monopoly of things like military virtues and training, and of the right to carry arms and to receive education and training, and it is excluded from any participation in economic activities, and especially from earning money.

(D) There must be a censorship of all intellectural activities of the ruling class, and a continual propaganda aiming at moulding and unifying their minds. All innovation in education, legislation, and religion must be prevented or suppressed.

(E) The state must be self-sufficient. It must aim at economic autarchy; for otherwise the rulers would either be dependent upon traders, or become traders themselves. The first of these alternatives would undermine their power, the second their unity and the stability of the state.

This programme can, I think, be fairly described as totalitarian





From the voice of Plato himself (emphasis mine):

"The greatest principle of all is that nobody,
whether male or female, should be without
a leader. Nor should the mind of anybody
be habituated to letting him do anything at
all of his own initiative; neither out of
zeal, nor even playfully. But in war and in
the midst of peace - to his leader he shall
direct his eye and follow him faithfully. And
even in the smallest matter he should stand
under leadership. For example, he should
get up, or move, or wash, or take his meals
. . only if he has been told to do so, by long
habit, never to dream of acting independently,
and to become utterly incapable of it
."

-- Plato of Athens

Wikipedia resumes this as:

The subtitle of the first volume is also its central premise — namely, that most Plato interpreters through the ages have been seduced by his greatness. In so doing, Popper argues, they have taken his political philosophy as a benign idyll, rather than as it should be seen: a horrific totalitarian nightmare of deceit, violence, master-race rhetoric and eugenics.

u/Im_just_saying · 3 pointsr/Christianity

In chronological order of my reading them:

  1. The Apostolic Fathers


  2. Paradise Restored


  3. That You May Prosper


  4. Kingdom, Grace & Judgment


  5. Christ The Conqueror of Hell



    And for good measure, The Tao Te Ching (started reading it in high school...still reading it 37 years later), and The Open Society and It's Enemies.
u/[deleted] · 3 pointsr/skeptic

Here are mine..

Five works by Karl Popper, who IMHO is the greatest skeptical thinker who ever lived:

u/Veniath · 2 pointsr/fallibilism

For more reading, try Karl Popper's Open Society and Its Enemies, vol. 1, and vol. 2.

Try Jacob Bronowski's Science and Human Values.

Also, try Susan Blackmore's The Meme Machine. While this isn't strictly about fallibilism, it describes how memes are an example of the problem-solving method.

u/SquirrelPower · 1 pointr/science