Reddit reviews Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Space Sim Duo (PC)

As many people have mentioned, Star Citizen is still an in-development title, and there are lots of bugs and will likely continue to be lots of bugs for quite a while.

That being said, there are lots of people who are OK with this and are able to enjoy themselves, some fall on the other end of the spectrum and get really frustrated so it's worth keeping in mind that there is a 14 day refund policy. If you or he decides you aren't satisfied with your purchase, you can submit for a refund at any time in that 14 day window.

If you're still with us and you want to go ahead and buy him something, here's four strong options for you to consider:

1) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

2) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

Then upgrade it to an Avenger Titan using this $20 CCU (Cross Chassis Upgrade is an item that you will find in your hangar on the website after purchase and can then apply it to the Mustang Alpha to convert it into an Avenger Titan) - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Upgrades/Mustang-Alpha-To-Avenger-Titan-Upgrade

Most players in Star Citizen have owned at one point, or currently own an Avenger because it is incredibly versatile for its price allowing you to do both combat and hauling stuff while not being paper thin. It's also the one I'd recommend the most for him. He can always use the CCU system to upgrade his ship to something else later once he has a better idea of what he wants to do.

3) If he's likely to mainly do combat, then perhaps the Arrow would be a good choice $90 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Anvil-Arrow-Starter-Pack

It will be noticeably more combat capable than the Avenger Titan, but it doesn't have any cargo space. It is a very popular ship right now for combat pilots.

4) If you really want to splurge, then get the Cutlass Black Package $115 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Cutlass-Black

The Cutlass Black is larger than all the other mentioned ships and it's the first real offering that gives you decent multi-crew features. It has an interior you can walk around in with a couple beds (beds are used for logging off if you're out in space instead of at a station), It has a good sized cargo bay that's great for traders. It has a copilot seat which can be used by a second person to help manage shields etc..

It also comes with a turret for some extra firepower. It has plenty of teeth, and you can't really go wrong with it.

 

If he really ends up liking the game, he should look into picking up some flight hardware (Joysticks etc..). I'd recommend either the t16000m FCS HOTAS $130

Or the dual t16000m setup $115

You can also just buy a single t16000m joystick for around $60 and then buy a second one later. They can be flipped to lefty pretty easily, so don't feel like you need to buy two right away.

In terms of bang for buck, there is no contest compared to these in the budget arena. I personally fly with two sticks, some people prefer the stick plus throttle.

 

In closing, my personal advice would be to buy him the Mustang Alpha ($45) and the CCU to the Avenger Titan ($20), then tell him you'll contribute X dollars towards some flight hardware (Joystick/throttle etc) or further ship CCU's once he knows what he wants.

Best of luck on your decision making!

I would definitely start with whatever you have and get used to the game. There are a lot of controls to map, and you want to figure out your play-style and what commands you use before you decide what controls to get. A controller will fall short quickly and you will need controller + keyboard - that may be an issue in VR (can't see the keyboard) but it will get you started at least.

I am a combat pilot, which makes heavy use of all the 3D maneuvering inputs, so dual joysticks + pedals is my favorite control scheme to have full precision analog control of everything. I like these for this setup, because they are symmetrical and it is easy to locate the buttons without looking in VR: https://smile.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-SPACE-SIM-STICK-pc/dp/B076XKZML8

EDIT: You will love it in VR by the way. Everyone that tries it says it is like a whole different game in VR. Its the first game that I thought "wow, this expensive headset was totally worth it". Definitely try bounty hunting, and later combat zones.

The Thrustmaster 16000M, either by itself, as a hotas, or as a hosas is regarded as a good entry level stick by many.

edit: best way to make credits in-game by far is mining, either surface mining for painite or core mining for void opals. Easily 100m/hr or more if you know what you're doing, and/or follow one of the many guides on youtube. I can't personally advise though as I've been actively avoiding it. I don't want to be rich so quick I have no idea what to do with it.

Okay, sure.

Duo Set - https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-SPACE-SIM-DUO-STICK/dp/B076XKZML8

Single Stick- https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=V057ET75WNB4K45T8ZXJ

I would watch some of the stuff this guy has

And I'd recommend these unless you have a grand to spend, they're what I am planning on getting.

Spent a few weeks trying to convince drive team to use XBox controller, gave up -- driver is using these. Co-Pilot is using an xbox controller.

I just bought TM 16000 dual sticks, felt the price was OK but I don't really know anything about flight sticks but reviews seemed positive. Waiting on delivery of them, hoping they're decent. They seemed like it was a decent intro to flight sticks? Anyone have them?

First thing I will tell you off the bat, get something that's in your budget.

Second... let's talk about what type of setup you want...


HANDS ON THROTTLE AND STICK
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HOTAS
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You have multiple options, starting with the Thrustmaster HOTAS-X.


At around $50, it gives a satisfying first hotas experience.

Moving up the ladder, you get to the T16000M and it's FCS pack.

If you are lucky, you can get this pack on sale for as low as $89.99 on Amazon, and it offers a great package with plenty of toggles and buttons to fully accommodate E:D's controls. You can even add pedals later on down the line, or pick them up as part of one big package.

Further up the price ladder is the X52 suite of controls. Two options are available, in the flavors of the X52 FCS at around $150 and the X52 PRO at around $200. The differences between the two are less pronounced than the jump from the HOTAS-X to the T16000, but it has some "nice" features for scripting and supposedly higher quality components.

Granted, even after Logitech purchased Saitek, the build quality on these former Saitek sticks is ... so-so.


Another great option is CH's products.

Throttle.

Stick.

CH PRO PEDALS

Despite other offerings in the HOTAS world between the X52 Pro, and CH offerings and higher caliber offerings - ignore them.

The X-55 and X-56 are MESSES when it comes to build quality, and it's a crapshoot if you get one that will last.

Your next HOTAS offering is going to be the Thrustmaster Warthog - but you will absolutely need pedals. Which means you're looking at offerings from CH, like the CH PRO PEDALS.

And if you get the warthog, I HIGHLY recommend you use Aussiedroid's scripts and bindings. They are intuitive and utilize the entirety of the throttle and stick.

If it's in your budget, I recommend getting MFG Crosswinds.

Also, VKB makes some T-rudder design pedals that work well.

VKB T-Rudders

However, before anyone tells you differently, or says pedals are shit for yaw. I AGREE, DON'T USE THEM TO YAW. Put yaw on your stick left and right, pitch up and down, and ROLL on your pedals. Right pedal forward, roll right, and left pedal forward roll left. Anyone who does it differently is crippling themselves, especially in PVP. This is a space sim, we don't have to fly space ships like we do aircraft. ROLL ON PEDALS, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

Past this point you have offerings from VirPil and VKB, both of which make the best of the best products. They both have better gimbal designs, and stick designs, and come in around $400 for a stick. However, there is no throttle currently, as of this moment, produced by either.


Alternative Setups
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HANDS ON STICK AND STICK
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HOSAS
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One way of side stepping the pedals situation is running dual-sticks, or hands on stick and stick. This has a slightly higher initial cost than most of the cheaper HOTAS options, but also negates the needs for pedals. The caveat being you need sticks that can be used in both left and right hands.


But thankfully, Thrustmaster has you covered. They offer the T16000M in a dual-stick package. Or you can purchase them separately.


You can also buy two separate Warthog sticks, at around $200 each, and get Okona (/u/cavortingwebeasties) over at dualsticks.com to convert one over.

VirPil's Mongoose can be setup for ambi use, and VKB will be announcing a left handed Gunfighter grip at SOME point. VKB Gunfighter can be found here.

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          Here's my setup, for good measure.
          

Not at all affiliated, but I love the Thrustmaster t.16000m dual stick bundle. I got this. I'm sure you can find this bundle other places as well.

Depends on preferred playstyle.

Personally I would always recommend dual stick.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-SPACE-SIM-STICK-pc/dp/B076XKZML8?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_2530623011

You can spend $114 and get a pair of T.16000Ms. HOSAS is way better IMO for space flight than HOTAS.


Dual T16Ks

IF you are perhaps interested in dual sticks, which i HIGHLY recommend for games like Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous, much more than a typical HOTAS setup... Amazon has dual T16000m's on sale for 90 bucks... thats a great price, IMO. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-SPACE-SIM-STICK-pc/dp/B076XKZML8/ref=sr_1_25?keywords=thrustmaster&qid=1559234690&s=gateway&sr=8-25

Thrustmaster VG Thrustmaster T 16000M SPACE SIM DUO STICK - HOSAS - PC; https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076XKZML8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_filYBb1CW29F4

Best I've ever had plenty of buttons to map to. Leftsticks all strafe, throttle and flight controls (safeties and power) right is offense defense and ships attitude control (roll yaw and pitch)

I recently upgrade from a pair of T16000ms to a VPC Warbrd for my right hand, and a Constellation Delta for my left.

The VPC stuff is some of the very best that you can buy. Having spent the money though, I can feel super good about recommending the T16000ms. If you want two sticks they are great for the cost!

try HOSAS with some cheap units first, then you can drop big dollars if you like it.

Thrustmaster HOSAS for about $100 if you wait for a sale.

I personally use a HOSAS (not a HOTAS), which is two joysticks, two Thrustmaster T.16000Ms to be precise. It's not really usable for flight sims, but for E:D it gives you full control over all six degrees of movement. If you fly with flight assist off (it's terrifying in VR, but so worth it!) you get control over all three axes of rotation and all three axes of movement. Looking on Amazon you can get a two pack for $90!