Reddit reviews Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack

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This right here, I have the pedals and the throttle. I bought a different joystick though for reasons unknown to me lol. The joystick was fine and more than adequate.

The X56 is a bit expensive for what it is, and has dubious quality where you either get a stick that works for five years or that breaks after a few days. Supposedly the quality got better when Saitek got bought out, but I don't know how much I trust that.

On the other hand, the T16000M HOTAS is a well-proven stick and throttle combo. It has the same Hall sensors in the stick that the more expensive Warthog stick uses and has a good amount of buttons and hats that it can be used for a variety of aircraft. It is also a twist stick so you can use it for rudder control, and the throttle has a set of paddles that you can use as axis for things like zoom, brakes, rudder, or whatever else you might need.

TL;DR I'd recommend the T16000M HOTAS. And with the money you're saving from the X56 you could pick up TrackIR 5 if you don't already have it.

There's also this pack that comes with the Thrustmaster rudder pedals which are a good quality, and the pack is still less expensive than the X56 by a decent amount. I've also seen this pack on sale down to 150USD so if you're patient you could save a bit of money on it as well.

I don't know what exactly your budget is but it's also worth noting that the Warthog HOTAS tends to go on sale around the Black Friday to Xmas timeframe and you can often find it for 300USD. It's worth noting with this that the Warthog has no axis able to be used for rudders so you would need to buy rudder pedals from somewhere.

My roommate found an old CH yoke in the basement that he purchased years ago but never used. Works like a charm. I just peek through the nose bridge to press keys, but almost never once the engine is up in the air. I'm planning on buying this once the price comes back down (lowest was $129)

all depends on how much you want to spend

step 1 GOOD PC - too much to talk about

step 2 joystick/yoke
extreme 3d pro

T.16000M FCS HOTAS

[Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Yoke System ](https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?
Item=N82E16826197226)

Step 3 ruder - don't need this right away nice to have

hmm descent price combo

Logitech G PRO Flight Rudder Pedals

for your reference i use this

Warthog

MFG Crosswind

track ir

Just a basic HOTAS like this or or with pedals but you don't really need them. Actually all you really nned is something like this

Whats your current specs?

I'd say avoid VR initially, I personally think it is the better overall experience but its a bit tough to learn DCS in and costs more overall in terms of hardware and performance.

So for under $1k budget, I'd get something like this if you can fit it in your space, or you could spend a bit more and get the [warthog]
(https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_147_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N77385WVH3Q2D79PYPY2) which is a great setup, just no pedals.

Then, trackir or Open track for sure. And yes, you described how it works but its not a 1:1 head turn, and you can change the sensitivity. I don't really move my head more than 15 degrees or so.

Then I'd suggest buying the F/A-18, its a good mix of difficulty and capability.

After that, I'd go for the bottle neck in your system, but I dunno your specs. I'd suggest a 2070 super if you can afford it, or see if you can pick up some decent components over at /r/hardwareswap

After you've got some hours and feeling like you need more, maybe start saving for a VR headset, I'd suggest the index, but I've heard great things about the rift-s. Odessy + on a budget if need be.

T.16000M from Thrustmaster.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/t16000m-fcs

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1AI4E9YYZ26Q0&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m&qid=1574377916&sprefix=thrustmaster%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-2

Sure. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ

Does your budget include flight controllers? I like this set: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/

Try to get the package that includes the rudder pedals too because you're going to want those pedals. https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ

VR for Elite is way cooler in my opinion than a HOTAS setup if you can only afford one. But if you end up wanting to get into this kind of controller setup for Elite, your best bet would be the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack with a second stick (roughly 210.00 plus tax in the US for all of it). That gets you the throttle, twin sticks, and pedals. Very close to the Steel Battalion controller.

As far as headsets for VR go, I've heard very good things about the Lenovo Explorer for Elite since Elite is a cockpit game, so you don't actually need one of the more expensive sets (Vive / Rift).

Again, If I could choose only one option (both are around 200 bucks) I would chose VR. I have about 800 hours in Elite, 700 of which are VR and about 100 using the above HOTAS/Dual stick setup for reference. I can tell you this though, having both VR and Hotas is pretty mind blowingly immersive. Cheers!

Edit: I'd like to also mention, after playing Elite with various HOTAS equipment, I've settled on the TM 16000m throttle and peddles, but my main stick is the X56 Rhino stick.

For that budget, you can't go past the Thrustmaster T16000m HOTAS kit.

HOTAS: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542921662&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000m

Full flight kit with pedals: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1542921662&sr=8-3&keywords=t16000m

The T.16000M FCS (with the throttle) is more than enough for most modules (I've got everything except the WW2 birds and I've mapped everything I need), you can also get the pack with pedals included like here - I can fully map everything with only a couple of mappings as modifiers. It's a great starter set, highly recommend.

>Logitech X-56

I'm really trying to save money right now since I just ordered an RTX card. I was thinking about this flight system. Is it any good?https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

The cheapest non-junk HOTAS, and the only one close to your budget, is the Thrustamaster T1600m and FCS,

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1524072714&sr=8-3&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m

It's a bit over your budget with the pedals but if you want authentic flight then you need them. You could buy for less without the pedals and use the paddles on the throttle for yaw.

Amazon (US) has both the flight stick and flight pack on sale. Not sure if they'll go any lower.-
Flightstick: $40, down from $60
Flightstick + Throttle: $97, down from $107
Flight pack: $130, down from $160

The Thrustmaster T16000M FCS is what you want. Smooth precise action and lots of controls (19 buttons, two 4-way hats, two 8-way hats, 2-way switch, analog stick, analog dial, throttle slider, twist stick, and rudder rocker) to bind everything, ringing in at $130 USD. I personally use it myself.

There's also an option that includes their pedal set if that's your jam, which also fits within your budget.

$179.37 (Prime) Thustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack

Get the whole HOTAS// Why not

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1503064722&sr=8-5&keywords=rudder+pedals

Flying with dual joysticks (and pedals) feels awesome! I got a T16000m FCS plus a T16000m FCS Flight Pack and only use the sticks and the pedal right now

I am gonna configure my setup in a way that I can switch from hosas to hotas when I am not in combat to be able to fly around more relaxed. It should be pretty easy to set up if I play around with the Target software some more.

The first time setting up dual joysticks was pretty tedious. I used TheNOOBIFIER1337's Playlist and the several reddit posts as an inspiration and finally decided to set them up more or less like in this video
To keep my desk uncluttered and my KB/M close I made a setup like this one!. Here are some more Images.

I am looking at this set.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1496603618&sr=8-2&keywords=Thrustmaster+T.16000M+FCS+HOTAS

I see in the game the pilot has rudder pedals. Do I need them? I suppose for immersion purposes it would be nice.

If you have the budget, you may like this setup https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1540203046&sr=8-5&keywords=Thrustmaster. Be sure to dig into the reviews, but this model seems like sturdy budget solution for stick, throttle and pedals. Mine should be arriving today.

Thanks for this ad which is still higher priced than Amazon, I guess

>alrdeay have an HTC vive and a hotas X (that i do not like ) i have a budget of 150-200€ ( 160 to 220 $ )

Thoughts on the entire setup tm t16000 fcs hotas (not a sponsored link, just generic link to first amazon link).

I have recommended this to many people, and I honestly think it is the best set up on the market right now: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1522886090&sr=8-3&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m

I see some people saying to get World Traffic. I think you would have a better time doing something like VATSIM than using World Traffic.

Planes I would recommend:

Flight Factor A320 - Pricey, but it pays you can see the high quality you are paying for. In my opinion, it is the best plane on the market in any flight sim.

Flight Factor 757 Extended - Another one of my favorites. I enjoy having the passenger and cargo variants, I am super into flying cargo runs.

Few others things, other than planes:

If you fly in the US, KSLC by ShortFinal is an amazing payware scenery. ShortFinal also known as MisterX on the forums, is, in my opinion, the best scenery maker in X-Plane.

Sometimes the best things for this game are free. If you have the storage space, and you think your game can handle it, download Ortho4XP and get some ortho scenery.

If I think of anything else I will add another comment

It's this: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=4NCFNXYZ4ONU&keywords=t16000m&qid=1563283031&s=gateway&sprefix=T16%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-4

It's a very good starter system not to expensive but very well made. It was my first Hotas :)

But since Variolamajor wants to sell his warthog i recommend u talk to him first b/c the warthog is way better. If it's to expensive just write me a PM :)

im a button whore, so yeah, more buttons the better (my desk has a k95 with the extra buttons, a USB keypad for extra buttons, a Razer nostromo keypad for more buttons, and a Razer naga for EVEN MORE BUTTONS!!!)

what do you use as lube for the throttle?

EDIT: so you got this?

Twist sticks are never good anyway. They're looser, more prone to breaking, and lack precision.

You want those pedals. I've got the VKB T-Rudder Mk4, but that's because I have hardwood floors and any other model would slide all over the place. CH's Pro Rudders are a fine base model for ~$100.

If that's too much, get this instead. It's a step down from the CH (pretty sure the stick twists), but has the whole set. You want those pedals.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/

I concede on the KBM part. I agree, you can get stuff that will work fine for pretty cheap.


The T16000m by itself is around $40 on amazon normally. They recently released the new FCS HOTAS, which comes with the T16000m stick and a throttle, for $130. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA or the same thing with pedals included for $200 https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ
They are switching over production from the older green design to the newer gold design, so I wouldn't buy anything right now until it settles down again. I expect you'll be able to buy the stick alone again once they do (and people can stop scalping them...)


You're not the only asshole who thinks that, there's a whole large crowd of us. :)

Alright tomorrow is the first time I'll really be diving in. I've had the game for a long time now but could not get used to the controls with keyboard and mouse At least not to an extent I felt was fun. But all you seem to really love the game so took some of my cash back money and bought.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2PE8CZ

So any advice for getting started with the game or even the controls would be appreciated.

Skyrim VR is amazing.

If you have a beastly computer go for fallout VR

If you really wanna bite the bullet and go all in, get this HOTAS/Pedal setup and get some cockpit fighter games. My recommendation is IL-2 Battle of Sturmovik. It's got a campaign you can play and great dogfighting. or Space sims like Elite: Dangeous

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FYI, both Amazon and Newegg have the thrustmaster 16k flight pack on sale for $126.
Newegg requires using their phone app & a code but Amazon does not.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N2PE8CZ

 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826280082

I'm on the fence as I don't think I'll be getting Elite....sounds too grindy for me.

I haven't bought the game yet but it looks really cool, I hope to be able to use these peripherals when I buy it. Thanks for working toward a quick bug fix

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I have a Thrustmaster HOTAS

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1549048613&sr=1-1&keywords=thrustmaster

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And a Gladiator flight stick

https://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-Joystick-Flight-Simulator-Controller-Stick/dp/B01G6GT49O/ref=sr_1_16?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1549048659&sr=1-16&keywords=flight+stick

Hey. It doesn't really mater as most yokes aren't that realistic as you can't turn them the full ninty degrees. (Some really expensives yokes have do this). A yoke also takes a lot of space. It doesn't really matter for flight simulation. I'd recommend the https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ joystick. Although I'm a boeing fan it's just better and cheaper to take a joystick.

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(In de link above rudder peddals which is a must and a throttle are included)

Anybody got experience with this:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495450862&sr=8-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T.16000M+FCS+Flight+Pack

Is this any good for Star Citizen?

Let me grab a link....

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_13

This is a great starter pack with solid controllers for all three bits. I had this to start and was very, very pleased.

I eventually replaced the stick with a Warthog, which I also love. I will next replace the throttle with the Warthog throttle. After I get out of ship debt on my credit card ;)

>-Does the throttle connect to one of the joysticks? And does it require its own USB port? So 3 total for the two sticks and throttle. Or does it piggy back off one of the joysticks?

The sticks and the throttle each have their own USB ports. If you get the Thrustmaster TFRP Pedals you can use the included rj12 cable to plug it directly into the Throttle to save 1 usb port, or you can use a USB cable if you have enough ports, or don't have the Throttle to plug it into.

Again, you'd want to do some research before choosing a pedal set as I know it's not as clear cut as the discussion of sticks and throttles in the budget arena.

>-if I did not get the throttle, the sticks each have a little slider throttle on them right? I think I saw the little slider in the middle on the photos. And that can be used as the throttle?

Yes, the sticks have a small slider on them which is handy and is enough to get the job done while you decide how much you would enjoy owning a throttle or not.

I started with the two sticks and picked up the throttle when it was released. I'm glad I own both dual sticks and the throttle as I enjoy both and having a throttle allows me to enjoy other flight sims/games with flying things as well (DCS, War thunder, ARMA, Etc.. Etc..)

Edit: Here is the pack with Stick+Throttle+Pedals: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ

>Also, long-time question: how does track IR work? If you turn your head wouldn't you not be able to see the screen?

It's not a 1:1 mapping of movement. You set curves so that (for example) if you turn your head 10 degrees and your view turns thirty. I use OpenTrack and have it set up so pointing my head at the edges of the screen (so I can point my eyes the other way and still be able to see all the screen) turns my in-game view 180 degrees in yaw, and +90/-45 in pitch.

As far as hardware goes, something like a Thrustmaster T1600 FCS pack might work for you; it comes with a stick, throttle and rudder pedals, is reasonably cheap and isn't as massive as something like an X-56.