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u/Truth_Smells · 6 pointsr/ireland

Well this is interesting, but are you saying that there wasn't wide spread rape by the British in Ireland? Because that's what the discussion was about.

The point I made was grabbing the first 3 google results, to respond to the notion that the Japanese raped in Korea, whereas the British did not in Ireland.

Given the lack of literacy and the complete dominance of the British on the power structure of the time, there is likely sketchy evidence overall. But that's the exact same logic that the Japanese use to refute the allegations of rape against the Korean comfort women: "sketchy evidence", "anecdotal", "the were not prisoners", "they were treated the same as imperial subjects", "it's not like they were slaves".



There is a trend on this sub to evaluate the British as a "noble" conqueror. They were anything but, and they raped, murdered, and plundered around the world. No matter what Downtown Abbey tells us.


>O'Callaghan is a flat out racist fantasist, inventing stories of gang-rape, child rape, and interracial rape without presenting any evidence. In his own words:

That's a big claim. Do you have any evidence other than your opinion? You are aware he was a journalist in Kenya for many years, and wrote against the British treatment of the Kikuyu tribe? I also found this out through a rudimentary "google". Have you considered the may just have a different opinion, or got things wrong rather than being a "racist" fantasist? It's strange that that's the main thing you got out of this book, rather than the whole Cromwellian conquest thing.

I'm not saying he is right about his claims, but it's still one of the best selling books on the issue. The book has 106 X 4.5 stars on Amazon, and 214 x 4.14 stars on good read. If I was you, I'd right a nice big blog post detailing all the inaccuracies.

Do you have a better book for us to read? One that demonstrates how the Cromwellian sending of people to the "indies" was a grand ol' lark?

>He assumes that servitude was the same as chattel slavery (it wasn't, funny that) and that therefore his imaginary white slaves were treated exactly the same as African slaves. Not exactly high-quality history.

This has come up numerous times on this Sub. Chattel, by our modern standards, is slavery. You are talking in degrees. Why don't you digress into how the Irish became "chattel"? Would these people have been chattel without the British conquest? I don't think because African slaves may have suffered more there is a reason to dismiss the Irish chattel's suffering.

>There has been a deal of controversy amongst writers on this subject in the descriptions of Irish indentured labour as ‘slaves’ or ‘servants’. Certainly it can be argued that willing indenture agreements were signed by individuals and a shipper in which the individual agreed to sell his services for a period of time in exchange for passage, housing, food, clothing, and usually a piece of land at the end of the term of service. However, during the post Civil War period many can be described as ‘political prisoners’ after their land was confiscated by the Cromwellian regime, driven from their land to waiting ships and transported to English colonies. The scarcity of detailed information on the servant trade makes it impossible to ascertain accurately what proportion of labour was involuntary, but the evidence strongly suggests that there was a lively traffic in deportees, especially in the period 1650-1659. In 1658, for example, Thomas Povey, an English merchant with extensive West Indian investments, stated that the majority of Irish servants in Barbados and St Kitts had been transported by the English state for treason.

>Moreover, John Scott, an English adventurer who travelled in the West Indies during the Commonwealth, saw Irish servants working in field gangs with slaves, “without stockings under the scorching sun”. The Irish, he wrote, were “derided by the negroes, and branded with the Epithet of ‘white slaves’”

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I would go as far as to say you are demeaning the Irish people who were sent as Chattel either intentionally or unintentionally, attempting to change the discussion away from what the British crimes in Ireland were. Just like the Japanese, and their Korean apologists do with the comfort women.

u/ronnierosenthal · 3 pointsr/IrishHistory

I don't contribute much new material to this sub, but coming from a musical background I figured this would be a good start.

In my opinion, Ireland's best current folk singer singing an original song based on Sean O'Callaghan's [book] (http://www.amazon.com/To-Hell-Barbados-Cleansing-Ireland/dp/0863222870) of the same name.

u/petermal67 · 3 pointsr/ShitAmericansSay

You should read this http://www.amazon.com/Hell-Barbados-Ethnic-Cleansing-Ireland/dp/0863222870

It's a great account of what happened.

u/BillionTonsHyperbole · 3 pointsr/history

Here's another, but read it with a grain of salt. The writer definitely has a political agenda with this book.

u/Joenotjoke · 1 pointr/todayilearned

Living in Barbados, I've run across quite few mixed-race descendants of Irish slaves. Many of them are called by the derogatory term, "Redlegs" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlegs).

Here's an interesting book on the topic:
http://www.amazon.com/To-Hell-Barbados-Cleansing-Ireland/dp/0863222870