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u/Argy · 34 pointsr/UFOs

You should check out the book UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials go on the Record. The author, Lesie Kean, is a skilled and objective investigative journalist who is adamant about not making assumptions about UFOs. But the evidence she presents in that book will leave you convinced that something is going on.

u/crystalisedorgasm · 32 pointsr/ireland

There have been thousands of reports from reliable and reputable people within the military, NASA, astronomers, scientists, pilots and lay people from around the world over the past few decades that have no reason to lie (in most cases they report the incidents despite ridicule and potentially damaging their careers), backed up by evidence

NY Times reporter Leslie Kean, who broke the most read story on NY times last year about the 2004 incident that the pentagon were looking in to, has written an incredibly well-researched book about the phenomenon with exhaustive details featuring first person reports from across the globe. It is worth reading before you make up your mind about the occurance
https://www.amazon.co.uk/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

True the field attracts cracked types and more often than not videos that we see on youtube are hoaxes and poor ones at that, but look beyond the bullshit and read actual articles from the French and Chilean government who research such incidents and it will astound you.

The Americans shape the global attitude to the phenomenon - possibly because it shows their incapacity to handle and understand at - and that attitude is one of dismissiveness and ridicule. Fair enough too, if you are the global superpower with complete autonomy over the skies, you don't want to admit you've got a situation you cannot explain. Better to investigate it privately and publicly ridicule it

Ultimately we have no idea what it is, could they be a modern myth as CJ Jung hypothesised in his book "Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies", similar to religious visitations through the years but seen through the prism of our scientific world view, or could they be interdimensional beings as French computer scientist Jacques Valle posits.

fuck knows, but it is interesting just a pity you can't talk about it without being seen as a lunatic.

u/3spoop56 · 11 pointsr/UFOs

The one that got me into UFOs was the Chicago airport incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O%27Hare_International_Airport_UFO_sighting Sadly there are no photos, but this is striking to me because the skeptical explanation really does not hold water IMO - nobody is going to mistake a cloud for a solid metal object.

In terms of sheer documentation and lack of alternate explanation though I think the Tehran incident is best. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Tehran_UFO_incident The best debunking I could find of it is here, but I don't find it very compelling: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4315

For more along the same lines, Leslie Kean's book has a lot. (I've heard, I haven't read it myself.) https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

u/eternityisreal · 6 pointsr/UFOs

Please don't judge by this sub, it does no justice to the genuine mass of sightings and phenomenon that has occurred all over the world for all of recorded human history. Check out Leslie Kean and her work, she does a great job gathering some of the credible more credible testimonies all together and presenting them.
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=la_B003JZDXFM_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418341517&sr=1-1

Also check out the disclosure project conference:
U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION: http://youtu.be/7vyVe-6YdUk

And Fingerprint of the Gods by Graham Hancock, available in full for free here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/fingerprintgods/fingerprintgods.htm

Despite its sensationalist name it's actually quite factually based and makes no bold claims but rather only shows the reader where traditional historical accounts do not match with historical evidence and record.

Another great one by Hancock sort of but not entirely related to this sub is "Supernatural" which you can also easily find in full for free online. Again, stupid title but amazing book on the history of human beings use of psychedelics, the potential existence of other dimensions, and exploring how it relates to folklore spanning human history including modern ufos and abductions. It retains a fairly academic tone throughout which I appreciate. It never makes any assertions but rather presents the reader with the strange evidence to draw ones own conclusions. Granted the "evidence" is often circumstantial, hearsay, or anecdotal but it's still compelling.

One of my favorite chapters was his analysis of DNA, his problems with the current explanation of its evolution, and Walter Cricks psychoactive drug experience to discover it. I've never read a 400+ page book so fast in my life! (except for Harry potter)

I have my own theories and believe it to be a spiritual/trans dimensional as well as physical phenomenon and that the true identity of these beings can be found in the book of Genesis of the Bible/ Torah. No I'm not one of those crazy religious nuts I'm normal I promise! If you're ever interested in more on that aspect of it I've got lots of resources and references.

But yah, I agree this sub isn't strong in presenting the compelling evidence. But that can change! Everyone who complains about it sucking let's all just start posting all our favorite, quality stuff ;)

u/The_Woodsman_TP · 5 pointsr/aliens

I'd recommend this UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0307717089/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_iyW6AbSH9QJG6

u/paulobecker · 5 pointsr/UFOs

The best thing in order not to doubt your "beliefs" is not to have any. Doubt is good, it makes you question things and become uncomfortable and do more research. Personally I don't "believe" in UFOs, but I don't disbelieve them either. I'm just always looking for good evidence.

If your parents are journalists, ask them about Leslie Kean. She's a journalist that once was very skeptical about UFOs, but as she got to researching and talking to people who had first hand experiences she started to think maybe there's something about it. I definitely recommend her book.

u/ConfessionBeer_ · 5 pointsr/aliens

Dude what is wrong with this person do they not know how to hold a camera? The thing wasn't moving erratically at all but it was like he was filing from a boat in rough seas. Super frustrating.

Despite the terrible camera work, super interesting. I am reading this book by Leslie Kean on UFOs. She interviews generals and air force pilots, police and other military personal who gives descriptions of UFOs they have no rational way of explaining. These people drew pictures of what they saw and a lot of those pictures kinda resemble whatever this was towards the end when it was multiple lights. I highly suggest everyone read her book. Here is link.

https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

u/Upgrayeddz · 4 pointsr/UFOs
u/fremenist · 4 pointsr/Blink182

It might not be about hiding confirmed alien life. I was very skeptical of UFO theorists and stuff for a long time. Then I read this book and it really opened my eyes. It's very rational and very evidence based. No outlandish claims are made and the first person accounts come from reliable (Air Force, high ranking government, police, commercial pilots) witnesses. I would hope whatever he's working on is a rational, evidence based account of all that we know about UFOs (which objectively exist). Basically at this point if you do the research you can't deny UFOs exist and the extraterrestrial hypothesis, while unlikely, can not be ruled out yet.

u/Taste_the__Rainbow · 4 pointsr/ufo

Welcome to the sub :)

Leslie Kean’s book is a great place to start. There’s a lot of really good intro info out there, but I’d start with her. I’d also read a dozen or so books before I had any kind of solid opinions about the subject.

And Lazar? I think nobody is ever going to be sure about any of that.

https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

u/Singular_Thought · 3 pointsr/exjw

Here is an excellent book on the subject. It is written in a manner that avoids all of the conspiracy BS and sticks to the facts. It offers evidence such as radar tracks and former military people who witnessed events.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0307717089/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1372424934&sr=8-1&pi=SL75

u/Ancapitu · 3 pointsr/brasilivre

Sim, eu também acho bem mais provável serem sondas.

> Sem contar que NENHUMA tentativa de perseguir um dos OVNIS até hoje resultou em combate, manobra evasiva, fuga ou qualquer coisa que seja condizente com um ser vivo pilotando as aeronaves.

Não exatamente. Tem um caso de 1976 no Irã em que um objeto fugiu de um F4 da Força Aérea Iraniana quando ele tentou se aproximar.

Na "Noite Oficial dos OVNIs", ocorrido aqui no Brasil nos anos 1980, os caças que foram acionados tentaram fazer trava de radar nos objetos, mas estes realizam manobras evasivas impedindo o disparo.

Existem mais casos de objetos não identificados reagindo aos movimentos de aeronaves terrestres. Alguns muito bons estão documentados no livro UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record (o único que li sobre o assunto, e me surpreendeu pela qualidade).

Mas mesmo que eles reajam às ações dos pilotos, não necessariamente significa que sejam tripulados.

u/LevantineJR · 3 pointsr/slatestarcodex

You said you "don’t believe in [reincarnation or] paranormal forces." ... Every time you do a links post, "I am very careful to double- and triple- check everything, and to only link to trustworthy sources in the mainstream media, a couple of my links end up being wrong."

You also [said](
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/11/07/concept-shaped-holes-can-be-impossible-to-notice/), "there are concept-shaped holes you don’t notice that you have."

There are mainstream sources that suggest you have a paranormal-concept-shaped hole. I'll list some of them. To make it clear at once: the words "must-read" or must-watch" make me feel like fainting. I don't believe in such "must"-s. In addition, I myself have not read the books I'll list. I'll point them because whenever I choose to avoid looking in a certain direction, I wish for a dry account of what's there, and here I want to give you what I wish for myself.

  1. “First UFO related book I've ever heard of that isn't batshit and actually puts an emphasis on the historical significance of the subject rather than lending credibility to insane theories that have no grounds in the real world. An objective look at objectively documented and cataloged phenomena and how the government(s) responded.” “a calm, rational, sober, scholarly approach to analyzing some of the best government reports on record” – say the reviewers of this book: link
    The author is a retired professor in natural sciences explicit that his studies have made him believe in the paranormal: his blog.

  2. A mainstream journalist has collected testimonies about UFO encounters from generals, pilots and government officials from several countries: link

  3. A former policeman collects mainstream media reports of cases of people's disappearances that are intractable and challenging to the basic modern notions of how the world works: [link]
    (https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=david%20paulides%20411). Whenever an author who is grossly wrong becomes popular, there appear people who explain why he is wrong. This author has risen to popularity almost a decade ago and I'm yet to see any substantial attempt to debunk him.

  4. [EDIT: added to end on a lighter note:] When Whales and Humans Talk

    Well, that's enough, for what it's worth.

    Can you say in a few words what makes you disbelieve in the paranormal?
u/RDS · 3 pointsr/conspiracy

Ishmael (and the rest of the series) by Daniel Quinn opened my eyes in my senior year of high school.

It's about a Gorilla, who has lived beside man for a number of decades and teaches a pupil through stories and analogies about how we are already at the cusp of civilization collapse. It's about a lot more than just that, namely the relationship of humans, animals, the planet, and how humans have a unique, egotistical view of themselves where we deemed ourselves rulers of the planet.

Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins is an eye opener as well.

Other great reads:

Magicians of the Gods by Graham Hancock.

Necronomicon

UFO's by Leslie Keen

Siddhartha - Herman Hesse

I also really enjoyed the Myst series by Rand & Robin Miller (the books the game is based on). It's about worlds within worlds and an ancient race of authors creating worlds through magical ink and books (sci-fi/fantasy).

u/d8_thc · 3 pointsr/Music

Checkout Leslie Keans Book.

Really -

UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record

Multiple high level eyewitness accounts of seemingly impossible maneuvers that were corroborated on RADAR simultaneously.

The 1976 Tehran incident is a good one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Tehran_UFO_incident

u/bassrhythm · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

That many of the world's governments are aware of encounters by their country's military and civilian pilots with aircraft that defies the laws of physics as we know them. The book UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record describes many of these cases in detail and in a non-sensationalistic manner - very interesting and highly recommended. See also the COMETA report by the French government in the 1990s.

u/macmac360 · 2 pointsr/conspiracy

this book is excellent: https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

some others are "Day After Roswell", "Alien Agenda", "The Halt Perspective", and "Leap of Faith" by Astronaut Gordon Cooper.

Gordon Cooper's book isn't entirely about aliens/UFOs but there are several chapters which he explicitly says in no uncertain terms on numerous occasions he has seen UFO's, both in outer space and here on Earth. There is also a chapter in which he describes a close encounter one of his friends had with extraterrestrials.

The book "Disclosure" by Steven Greer was absolutely amazing, because it is filled with testimony from military, police, pilots, and air traffic control people. I would stay away from any of his other work though, most serious UFO researchers consider him a charlatan. He seems to crank out books to make money, and a lot of his research seems to be a little hard to swallow.

EDIT: something you can read right away is the French COMETA report. It was created by former military and government scientists in France. Its one of the most important documents in UFO history in my opinion:

http://www.disclosureproject.org/docs/pdf/COMETA_part1.pdf

http://www.disclosureproject.org/docs/pdf/COMETA_part2.pdf

u/LuciusMichael · 2 pointsr/UFOs

> Leslie Kean. Reporter who did a terrific job in this book....http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

u/sniggity · 2 pointsr/UFOs

Come on now, there have been thousands of people, highly credible people that have witnessed these ships. Reports DON'T mean nothing, they are a very important part of documentation. For instance, the Japanese pilot and his crew back in 1988 (I think the year is right) that saw these two huge ships following him? The guy risked his whole career to report this incident. There have been presidents, pilots, astronaughts hell, there was a case back in the 90s where five police from neighboring counties saw the same ship one night, one even got pictures of it.

I will recommend a book, please read it. It's called "UFOs; Generals, Pilots and Government Officials go on record". Please read it, educate yourself, open your mind. Not all these people are lying or making it up, there are just too many accounts for these UFOs not to be coming here

Here is the book

u/silentmonkeys · 2 pointsr/UFOs

Leslie Kean published an excellent book called UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record and she and James Fox have an updated documentary based on this book called UFOs on the Record.

A lot of people disparage the alien encounter phenomenon but the late Dr. Mack's books on the subject are excellent, most recent: Passport to the Cosmos - it includes Dr. Mack's interviews with the students at Ariel school who had a mass encounter.

Hunt for the Skinwalker by Colm Kelleher and George Knapp is one of the most fascinating books - and definitely the freakiest - that I've ever read. It takes a clinical and journalistic approach to a completely bizarre collection of phenomena centered on the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah.

In the quote section, don't forget the astronaut from Apollo 17 who told Houston there was definitely something out there.

My advice on the website as a whole is to separate substantiated stories from unsubstantiated (like the Eisenhower meetings) - that's not a comment on whether or not these stories are legit, but I think it's more helpful for people unfamiliar with the phenomenon to have a resource of airtight reportage to look at.

Good site though - good luck!

u/rooowdy · 2 pointsr/schizophrenia

There have been dozens and dozens of really profound sightings of UFOs throughout history by some really credible people.

I have not personally seen a UFO myself but the evidence is there. A great book I can recommend is https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089 this one.

It covers all the big sightings that everybody interested in the field should be familiar with. Betty and Hill abduction, the disappearance of Frederick Valentich off the coast of Australia and many many more are covered in detail. That's just to name two I know off the top of my head are covered in said book.

I've been interested in the phenomenon since I was a kid, so it probably has nothing to do with my schizophrenia. It's just a thing I have always believed in.

A great channel on Youtube is secureteam10. They regularly post sightings sent in by people from all over the world. I'd encourage you to disregard the stuff about how the moon is hollow and what not, though.

u/LBillings · 1 pointr/IAmA

Ugh, I just typed out a very long, nuanced reply that somehow got erased when I accidentally swiped the wrong way and navigated back a page. I'm not going to type it all out again right now. What you will see is the condensed and simplified version, which is inferior and incomplete but still should communicate my key points. Just keep that in mind as you read.

Suffice to say I agree with much of what you say, I do not discount the possibility of ETIs visiting the solar system, and I'm a big fan of Leslie Kean's book exploring some of these ideas.

Due to a combination of most observers generally being unreliable and a history of disinformation by various intelligence agencies (for whom UFO reports can be very useful for entirely mundane and earthbound reasons) most reports are simply not credible, and thus they are not subjected to rigorous followup investigation. Further, suitable research infrastructures do not presently exist within civilian/academic institutions to perform these investigations; there is very little impetus for established, well-regarded scientists (or those hoping to achieve that status someday) to devote any time at all to UFO investigations when there are so many other lines of inquiry that are so much more personally and professionally rewarding.

I do think, though, that most true believers in UFOs would do well to study up on and truly appreciate just how much energy appears to be required to send anything substantial traveling with any haste between the stars. There are, of course, various potential ways to get around that problem, and of course perhaps our conception of the physical limitations and underpinnings of our universe are so crude that we cannot presently see the full spectrum of possibilities for cosmic travel. But, assuming that our grasp of how the universe works is actually pretty good, if interstellar travel was as easy and common as many UFOs-as-ETIs folks suggest it is, then I think our night sky would look less like a dead and barren place and more like an industrial park. I think if interstellar travel were really that easy, and if other cosmic civilizations could so routinely marshal and control such large amounts of energy, we'd see much more abundant, clear, and irrefutable evidence of their activity than we presently do.

Anyway, I do want to believe. And as I said, I don't discount the possibility of ETIs in the solar system. It's something that is worth serious consideration -- the difficulty is in finding a good, robust way to meaningfully investigate it.

I talked a good bit about this on a recent edition of Coast to Coast AM. Maybe give that a listen just so I can save myself some typing! Very good question, thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDU211kMEPU

u/Scramblade · 1 pointr/drunkenpeasants

Probably not. He did after all write the foreword to a UFO book

https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

As an aside: Check her last name. Coincidence? I think not!

u/theewiper · 1 pointr/UFOs

Start with Vallee, Jacobs, Hynek, Hopkins (for abductions) and the Bowen books are good if you can find them. Keel's books because they are just a lot of fun to read. For something general and recent, Kean's book is a good starting point: http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335559396&sr=8-1

u/thepastIdwell · 1 pointr/askscience

>but we just can't see or hear them yet?

Yeah, although, maybe we can.

I'm not claiming that it's a fact, only that it's a feasible possibility given the evidence.

u/luckyme888 · 1 pointr/JoeRogan

If you want to know about similar events read (at some point the entire air force top at several South American countries were pretty convinced we were being visited):

https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=generals+and+record+ufo&qid=1570400436&sr=8-1

And look into Tehran 1976 event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELGZVOmhxZQ

http://crackpotpodcast.libsyn.com/the-tehran-ufo-incident-0

u/Chackjicker · 1 pointr/news

Really? This book is the best I've come across on the subject. None other are worth reading, that I know of. Give it a try. Even if the whole thing is lies, it's a damned good piece of fiction.

u/vidrageon · 1 pointr/conspiracy

I suggest you read Leslie Kean's book and/or watch this documentary. It probably won't change your mind but there are a lot of credible witnesses and credible evidence for the existence of UFOs. If they're extra terrestrial is a whole nother conversation though.

u/187ninjuh · 1 pointr/conspiracy

That's a great question. I haven't really been able to come up with an answer other than "throwing off the enemy and causing them to focus efforts where they are wasted."

But with the preponderance of witness reports from high level military folks (like in this awesome book) I tend to think/hope that we are slowly getting the "real deal", or at least some form of it.

u/batd00d · 1 pointr/Blink182

DeLongest one 😂...

But honestly if you're looking for UFO information I wouldn't trust him he's a disinformation agent. Go look in the doctors Steven Greer and check out his new documentary coming out this week. Greer actually called out Tom Delong in an interview a few days ago saying is it agent of disinformation. He thinks he knows what he's talking about but he's in with the wrong people. This is that interview

If you want to real book on UFOs check this one out

u/mikedante2011 · 1 pointr/UFOs

I don't know what to believe in sometimes, I just bought Leslie Keans book "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record" just to see if they really have anything that cuts through the bullshit, and basically gives me a background to say okay, UFO's exist. Step 1 done. Step 2, what are they? Hopefully i can find out. Once i get done with the book i'm gonna try to start a discussion on r/UFOs subreddit.

u/vikingv · 0 pointsr/UFOs

The best evidence is obviously seeing one yourself, up close, so get off your ass, go outside and start looking, preferably in the UFO hotspots around the country like the Hudson Valley area.

The best documented evidence is presented in a recent book. There will be no doubt in your mind after reading this book: UFOs Generals Pilots and Government Officials.

http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367705597&sr=8-1&keywords=ufos+generals+pilots

u/thedeadlyrhythm · 0 pointsr/TechNewsToday

the government has tracked these for nearly a century and know they're under intelligent control. they have been tracked at nuclear sites, missile launches, bases, by pilots, all by credible military personnel, by astronauts, and for that entire time the government has treated the subject like a joke and acted like it's all fake and are only currently beginning to phase out that denial. this book is a good record of some of that:

https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TX7DJS240JDI&keywords=ufos+leslie+kean&qid=1572016040&sprefix=ufos+lesli%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-1

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i can tell you one thing, whatever this is is absolutely not any of the things you listed. i get it, you're conditioned to believe this is a big joke, but no one could look at the available evidence and come to that conclusion.

u/aheadyriser · 0 pointsr/TopMindsOfReddit

That's a real shame then. It's too bad that the term "conspiracy theorist" covers someone who is spreading facts. As I stated above, Phillip Corso's book is excellent (because of his credentials) but another good book is https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089. This book was written by one of the people involved with breaking the NYT story. Unacknowledged on Netflix is a great introductory resource too.

If you aren't aware of any of this information then you will become a victim of the MSM narrative without being aware of all the facts.

u/Koonthebarbarian · 0 pointsr/JoeRogan

No evidence if you don't look for it. Maybe google phoenix lights or do some reading?

u/throwaway0735 · -4 pointsr/history

I wonder if this is what it's like to tell people that the Earth is round and that we orbit the Sun several hundred years ago. You have people who are infinitely more educated and accomplished than yourself and I, who are responsible for our safety and welfare and in the highest levels of advanced fields telling us something that is still considered as a career ending taboo, and you dismiss them and anyone who dares bring them to your attention as trailer trash?

Do you honestly believe that all of these people who are now finally disclosing these statements are doing it for the fun of it? Don't you think they realize the risk this will be to their legacies? And don't you think they already know by seeing the reactions of their peers who have come forward how an ignorant mass will treat their admissions? If you possess even the minutest ability for critical thinking, your curiosity would at least be piqued by the fact that all these incredible figures are telling the same unpopular story at great detriment to themselves. And they are doing this not out of any legal obligations but by their personal sense of responsibility.

I can understand the ignorance of those who ridicule this subject without any serious thought, I was completely in the same vein. Civilization started around the world a few thousand years before the common era. Religious people are ignorant, their God(s) are fictitious conceptions of primitive societies. And it is more than a little suspicious that UFO sightings suddenly started occurring after the invention of airplanes and other man made airborne vehicles that can be mistaken for UFOs. As modern science dispel the myth of various superstitious boogeymen in cultures around the world, UFOs and aliens just replaced them. It's very suspicious that all the UFO videos are of poor quality. And why are all those UFO sightings always so sketchy? They are always at night and people only talk about seeing lights in the sky. History channel started sucking because they started showing creepy alien shows. Etc, etc. Do these things sound familiar? This was EXACTLY how I used to feel. I don't remember the exact moment things changed and I NEVER wanted them to change. To actually know that UFOs are real and the whole alien thing, it's just WTF. And I have to be grouped with all the hippie looking conspiracy theorists. Look, I get it, I get all of it. But these videos I've linked are the tip of a huge iceberg. I am only using them to try to at least open you to the possibility that the same thing you and I were taught are bullshit. That we can confront our ignorance.

We like to criticize Christians here, that they refuse to think critically, that they just want to believe in Jesus as their lord and savior, that they just want to believe there's heaven and hell after death, etc. We can do the same, just refuse to think critically and keep believing in what we want to believe. But like I said, if you have an ounce of critical thinking in you, you'd be wondering why all these people are coming forward. There's many many more people than the ones I've listed, if you want more historically significant astronaut, there's more, if you want more government leaders, there's more. If you do any digging at all, you'll learn that most UFO are stars, planes, natural phenomenon etc. But there's a small percent of documented ones that sound like things out of a Men in Black movie. Cases like giant sky blocking crafts just hovering over Phoenix, or fighter pilots dog fighting and actually shooting UFOs right above an airbase while everyone watched on the ground, or a nuclear armed airbase in the UK actually having an UFO land on the base and being surrounded by the base commanders and staff. As more and more of these people retire, and get older, they care less and less about being ridiculed or ruining their livelihood. That's why we are finally seeing all these prominent people come forward and that's one of the big reasons why I switched my views on something I thought was just crackpot bs.

When Edgar Mitchell dies, you will see the exact same posts here on Reddit as you are seeing for Niel Armstrong. You'll hear all about how accomplished he is etc. What is going to be interesting to witness here will be the dichotomy of those who post these things and those who downvote anyone who would call him a trailer trash tin foil hat conspiracy crank in any other context.

Anyways, I mostly won't have changed your mind to explore this because I doubt anyone could have changed my mind about this subject even two years ago. But you are going to keep being exposed to more and more of this as people keep coming forward. Buzz Aldrin is still on the fence about this, he's willing to talk about the UFO he saw with Niel Armstrong in their mission to the moon but he's not going past that (just look up Buzz Aldrin UFO on youtube). These people coming forward are not meant to convince you by their statements alone, they are meant to spur further research and to be used in conjunction to form the most logical conclusion you can. On your way, you'll keep seeing hoaxes and nonsense, but you'll also see stuff that actually make sense. If you want to skip the BS, I can give you some materials, the one book I recommend is the New York times bestseller by Leslie Kean: http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345951370&sr=8-1&keywords=leslie+kean

u/Fadedcamo · -7 pointsr/FargoTV

Hate to derail the topic, but UFO sightings largely get a bad rap in the US for its stigma. This can be attributed to a very conscious effort by the US government over the last 60 years to discredit and dismiss any actual credible sighting stories. There is a LOT of BS out there regarding UFOs, but if you sift through the noise there are quite a few stories by multiple credible witnesses (police, military personnel, pilots) and sometimes even backed up by other evidence (radar, ground radiation readings). Also, if you go outside the USA, there are MANY countries' governments who have disclosed files on all sorts of official encounters with these UFOs (France, Norway, Brazil, UK, Russia, Spain), so the UFO phenomenon truly has a large amount of scientific data to back it up and I don't think its entirely "out of this world" to put it in the show, especially during that time period in the mid-west.

If you want more information regarding some CREDIBLE stories of UFO encounters over the past 60 years or so, I highly recommend reading this book. Testimony from many of those credible witnesses, including a major general of Belgium during the UFO wave of the 80's there, and Nick Pope (was in charge of the Ministry of Defense's UFO investigations)