Reddit reviews Whetstone Sharpening stone SHAPTON Ceramic KUROMAKU #5000
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Color: WineBody size: 210 ~ 70 ~ 15 mmItem No .: K0704Granularity: # 5000Country of Origin: Japan
For anyone looking to get into whetstone sharpening, just know that it's really not all that difficult.
A good starter stone is the Shapton Pro 1k which can be found on Amazon for just $36. It's a splash and go stone that doesn't require any soaking and it's a hard stone that doesn't dish fast.
While the 1k is a good starting point for any knife that isn't already a butter knife, the 320 grit would be necessary for turning that butter knife into a real knife again.
If you want something with more polish and a higher level of sharpness, the 5000 grit will offer a good deal of edge refinement without going too crazy. However, this is pretty much pointless for any knife under 60 HRC (a Wusthof is at 58 HRC which is pushing it) since that softer steel won't hold a 5k edge for very long at all.
These Kuromaku stones are real Shapton Pros, but those manufactured for the Japanese market. The versions for the western market have differently labeling printed on the stones, but are otherwise identical. Prices for Kuromaku Shaptons vary widly on Amazon so it's worth waiting for a deal, and only a few are actually available at these lower prices.
An even cheaper option is the King 1k/6k combination stone which is viable, but not something I usually recommend. It dishes fast, the 6k side is overkill for most home cooks, and from what I've heard using the stone isn't a particularly good experience.
If you would like to learn about sharpening in general, or how to do it, start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/chefknives/wiki/sharpening
And if you're looking for a knife or how to care for it, consider stopping by /r/chefknives!
Here are some affordable and extremely high quality whetstones. I recommend getting at least the 320# and 1000# or 2000#. The $2-3 whetstones will be of shitty quality, not something I'd be happy to use on a kitchen knife.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004D2GCR6?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001TPFT0G?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001TPH8YG?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
I'd go for something like this:
That's just $90. Maybe much later when you really need a rough stone, get the 320 Shapton or something in Diamond for ~30
After 2 years, I am finally DMT free. I know I am in the minority here, but I HATE them. The coarse grits are not coarse enough. My 220 grit waterstone absolutely destroys metal and puts 80 grit sandpaper to shame (because sandpaper wears out pretty quickly at that grit), while my XXC DMT left me feeling "oh... that's it. Really? Well I guess I have a long way to go".
Also your experience is the same as mine on the higher end. The EEF is supposed to be a finishing stone. Even after a 6 month break in, it was comparable to my 4k waterstone - which I consider kind of rough.
Here is an excellent finishing stone in your budget. Your coarse DMT will flatten it when need be, and the edge the "extra fine" leaves is good enough to start with here.
Adding the 5000 grit would be a good thing too and you wouldn't even need to touch your DMT's for basic sharpening.
I use this guy which will almost fit in your budget with the Shapton. However unlike the shapton - this will need to be soaked before use (5 minutes in my experience) and will go out-of-flat a lot quicker. None of these are issues for me because I flatten my stones before each use and don't use a honing guide. If you do use a honing guide it wears the stone a lot faster and ceramics are a much better option
I do leathercrafting, and I'd like to buy myself some sharpening stones as a sort of birthday present to myself. I've asked in the leatherworking sub, and gotten varied suggestions, so I'm broadening my search.
TL;DR I've never sharpened a blade before, I want something to start with, but don't want to spend big money upgrading if I get really into it. I prefer ease of use and convenience, and while I want to sharpen leather knives, I'd like to be able to sharpen other tools like woodworking blades/chisels and kitchen knives as well.
EDIT: I don't know why some of my links aren't working, it happens sometimes and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.
If you want a cheaper high grit stone, check out this Shapton 5000 ceramic stone. I just picked one up to compliment my DMT extra corse / corse and a Norton India stone. This setup plus a strop has been working great for me.
Thanks for the response. I know I can get by with just my chef's knife, but looking to branch out a bit... I don't want just 1 knife in my apartment.
I get that a chef's knife and gyuto are essentially the same thing. Just like a chef’s knife, a gyuto here is the "starting" knife type to invest in, which is why I was asking whether it makes sense for me, given I have a western chef's knife. I'll skip the gyuto and focus on getting a good Nakiri, a good Petty, a functional (budget) Bread, and investing in whetstones.
Here's what I'm looking at:
Nakiri: Budget $100-200
Petty Budget $100-200
Bread Budget: sub $100
Whetstones Budget: sub $100
Thoughts? Recommendations? Anything I’ve missed?
Ok sit down. Are you sitting?
Shapton Ceramic Waterstones
The 1000, 5000, 8000 - if you buy the ones with english writing, they are quite a bit more expensive. I also use the Veritas Honing Guide
I bought good equipment, and so I never struggled through the learning how to sharpen properly. I was really turned off by all the stories of people getting frustrated with sharpening their hand tools. I made a wise decision for me, but I understand the view others have as well.
Well, these ones - http://imgur.com/a/cVobL - are made from crap materials. The coarse side might be accurate, and the finishing side will almost surely be equal to the coarse side on these stones. I really wouldn't recommend them. And there are a ton of them on Amazon, that look exactly the same with a different logo.
The exceptions are the King brand. These are made in Japan (website - http://matsunaga-corp.co.jp/en/products-cat/king/ - only for reference, purchase on Amazon in my opinion) and are actually of quite good quality.
King 300 grit - $25.80 - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050ADA2U
King 1000/6000 - $28.14 -
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DT1X9O
I have these in my cart to try. Compared to the Shaptons? (and he uses the full line it looks like..which is at least 1000, 2000, 5000, 8000, 12000, maybe 30000...the 30000 grit stone is $350...)
Shapton Kuromaku (Pro in USA) 1000 - $34.59 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TPFT0G
Shapton 5000 - $46.99 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TPH8YG
Atoma 400 diamond plate - $63.00 -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0031KNR2O (I see some from other sellers for cheaper...they aren't real Atoma brand. Get a Prime one.)
Whatever route you take, I cannot recommend enough a Stone Holder.
PowerTec stone holder - $16.94 -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NFB2MTI
What's the difference? What they're made of. The Shapton Pro line are made from ceramic abrasives. The King line..I honestly don't know exactly. They require soaking as they are not ceramic. But it's not just a cheap mix of whatever...King is a good brand. Naniwa also comes up a lot - very good brand. Suehiro...
If you're rich try out the Japanese Natural Stones - JNS - let me know how they work out! Lol. http://japanesenaturalstones.com ($1000+ stones...from ancient Japanese mines and stuff! Ha.)
Edit - formatting
Me hear this king(#4) harder than no expensive king(https://www.amazon.com/KING-KW65-Combination-Whetstone-Plastic/dp/B001DT1X9O), me no sure if true. But hard good for sg2.
Amazon has a few ceramic stones as well. There's this two sided one but I've never heard of King:
King Two Sided Sharpening Stone with Base - #1000 & #6000
They also have some Shaptons which I have seen mentioned on here, something like this:
Whetstone Sharpening stone SHAPTON Ceramic KUROMAKU #5000
Get these 3.
Shapton Kuro 1K
Shapton Kuro 5K
Kitayama 8K or get one with a base here Kita with base and use it as a sharpening base like this http://www.auplod.com/u/apludoa4a69.jpeg by putting an anti-slip mat on top of the Kita.