Reddit reviews White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam's One Million White Slaves

Muslims also enslaved whites when they could. A white man’s place depended greatly on how he responded to the beatings, and whether or not he converted to Islam. White women were used as sex slaves.

https://www.amazon.com/White-Gold-Extraordinary-Thomas-Million/dp/0374289352

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I knew nothing of Islam when a Muslim started praising it in another (non-reddit) BBS and I was intrigued to start researching the history of Islam. Most of the depictions in media were benign or positive such as in V is for Vendetta and The Wind and The Lion. I bought into the premise that Islam is 'The Religion of Peace'. Then I started researching the history and ideology. My Muslim associate expressed a fondness for gin and how he would never bother with the Hajj. By my reading of the Qu'ran those were heretical practices, thus he was an apostate and worthy of death per Islamic law. He didn't appreciate my interpretation.

Because the Qu'ran is presented longest verse to shortest it is very difficult to appreciate when verses are abrogated, so I found a chronological translation by an Egyptian Islamic scholar from the 1800's and hoooooo boy. It's easy to see how Mohammed's philosophy changed from Mecca to Medina, how Muslim apologists use the verses from Mecca to lie to non-Muslim about Islam being a peaceful religion while carefully not mentioning the principle of abrogation or the verses from Medina. The r/Islam subreddit pretty much polished off my remaining rosy glow of ignorance.

Then I read the account of Thomas Pellow in White Gold (a Cornish cabin boy) enslaved by Islamic pirates that ravaged the coastal areas of Europe killing and enslaving hundreds of thousands of girls for sex slaves, and men for labor. That shit went on for hundreds of years until Sweden and the United States (under Teddy Roosevelt) stamped 'paid' to their shit. Did you know that there are still active Islamic slave markets in Africa?

There are many many perfectly rational reasons to oppose Islam but for me Mohammed is the most glaring. The ONLY prophet of Islam? The LAST prophet of Islam? The PERFECT man? How many women did Mohammed rape? Enslave? How many people did he butcher? Never mind fucking a 9 y.o., I appreciate that what is repugnant today wasn't necessarily so a thousand years ago. But rape, butchery, enslavement? If Mohammed did it, you're good to go? You believe what you want but I wasn't indoctrinated by 'anti-Muslim' websites.

This is an interesting book on the same history. Interesting to see the role of the young American nation - not a period I had really known anything about.

http://www.amazon.ca/White-Gold-Extraordinary-Thomas-Million/dp/0374289352/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426586596&sr=1-2&keywords=White+gold

Whaaat?

The USA has made tons of very famous non-American-history-based movies such as Troy, Braveheart, Kingdom of Heaven, Lawrence of Arabia, Schindler's List, The King's Speech, The Pianist, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, 300, Letters from Iwo Jima, Zulu, Valkyrie, The Last Samurai, Seven Years in Tibet, Ben Hur, Defiance, Munich, Hotel Rawanda, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Invictus, Empire of the Sun, The Lion in Winter, Elizabeth, Enemy at the Gates, Blood Diamond, Amadeus, Les Miserables, The Last King of Scotland, 47 Ronin, Memoirs of a Geisha, Tora Tora Tora, The Queen, The Young Victoria, Marie Antoinette, The Other Boelyn Girl, Elizabeth the Golden Age, Rabbit-Proof Fence, Das Boot, Master and Commander, All Quiet on the Western Front, Casablanca, Apacalypto, A Passage to India, Red Cliff, Hiroshima, The Killing Fields, Dunkirk... I could go on forever here.

The slavery-history movies I've seen are pretty much all based on white Americans enslaving black people. 12 Years a Slave, Roots, Amistad, Django, Free State of Jones, Prince Among Slaves, The Retrieval, Huck Finn (Disney), Huckleberry Finn, Beloved, Glory, Nightjohn, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Mandingo, Freedom (Cuba Gooding Jr.), Nat Turner: A Troublesome Property (PBS), and The Confederate States of America.

I guess exceptions could be biblical movies like The Ten Commandments and Prince of Egypt, which deal with non-American slavery. Gladiator and Agora deal with Roman slavery. Oooh, and Sparticus of course.

I can't think of any movies at ALL that deal with the Arab slave trade though. Which is weird, because it's by far the longest-lasting slave trade, from roughly 600 until the 1900s (and in some places it continues today). There are some documentaries on modern human trafficking, but as far as the Spanish, English, Italian, French, Portuguese, and African people enslaved in Africa and the Middle East over a couple thousand years, there are no big time blockbusters like Amistad or 12 Years a Slave.

It's a shame, because there are some great stories that could be told there. The Zanj revolt. The kidnapping of almost every single person living in Baltimore, Ireland, in 1631. The story of the Reverend Devereux Spratt, who was just trying to sail from Ireland to England, and wound up a slave in Algiers. The roughly 500 ships lost to the fearsome Barbary pirates, who enslaved or killed anyone aboard. American President Jefferson's war with the pirates. Thomas Pellow's tale.

Good articles/books here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml

https://www.city-journal.org/html/jefferson-versus-muslim-pirates-13013.html

https://www.amazon.com/White-Gold-Extraordinary-Thomas-Million/dp/0374289352

https://www.amazon.com/White-Gold-Extraordinary-Thomas-Million/dp/0374289352


I've read other sources too. What I mean is when the kidnapped Europeans arrived in the Barbary States and were sold, they would be beaten if not working hard enough, given little food aside from meager amounts of bread and water, family and friends were seperated and sometimes slaves were even tortured to turn to Islam.


>Sorry Muslims, predictive text got me. And it really doesn't if you listen to the vast majority of Muslims that condemn groups like ISIS and fight them all the time.



I'm referring to what the Quran itself says, not what many moderate Muslims say.

> Did you read the Wikipedia entry? They imported a estimated 28 million slaves from Africa, the population was much lower then this.

Where is the evidence supporting any of this? I'm sorry but a link to some dubious wiki entry that you could have edited in yourself a minute ago isn't acceptable.

> You'd expect to see much more black Arabs given these numbers, and I do know how genetics work

Go to gulf states. The Arabs there are predominantly dark skinned and their African ancestry is often visible.

> I also know that black skin is created by a series of dominant genes

That's like saying blue eyes can't exist because the genes for brown eyes are dominant over genes for blue eyes.

> Oh and they also castrated allot of those Turkish slaves.

How many is a "lot"?

> So now you assume I'm racist because of my country? Mature.

Considering that the foundational ideology governing Israel is virulently racist (zionism), its very mature. And I'm not even mentioning Israel's barbaric history of genocide, ethnic cleansing and endless oppression of the region's Arab population.

> The word has all the negative connotations a prescribe it, it happens to be one of those words shared by both Arabic and Hebrew. A slave is a slave and it just so happens they only call blacks slaves, no hidden context there.

That tell us how clueless you are about Arab and Islamic cultures. Muslims proudly proclaims themselves to be slaves of Allah. It has positive connotations. Your ethnocentrism doesn't prove anything.

> Arabs treated Africans really bad for centuries when Europe had no contact with them.

Not remotely as bad as the Euros (including Ashekanazi Jews who were major slavers).

> Then in the 300 years the Europeans did treat blacks bad the Arabs made a fortune selling them slaves, it was such a lucrative business it changed Morocco's economy.

The Arab slave trade was based in East Africa you dimwit. The Moroccan slave trade was primarily built on white European slaves and it was committed by Berbers not Arabs. Get it fucking right.


> I notice you didn't find any mistake in my portrayal of how Blacks are currently treated in Arab countries, I assume you agree it's correct.

I ignored it because it's obviously zionist propaganda. Black people are treated far better in Arab countries than they are in Israel where they're treated like scum.

> Which brings us to the great Arab lie, the "we treated Jews\black\whatever much better then Europe". Perhaps, but you treat them much worse now.

If can't even tell the difference between berbers and Arabs why should anyone believe your hogwash about some "Arab" lie. Go peddle your anti-Semitic nonsense in /r/Israel where it belongs.