Best backpacking & camping stoves & grills according to redditors

Yes and no. Denatured alcohol from the paint section is your best bet. Rubbing alcohol has too much water in it usually, unless you find some 99%. It will work, but not as well. A quart of denatured is $5. Rubbing alcohol is about twice that price.

Heet costs more and there's little difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOLoLx5lF6U

Here's the one I use. (fixed, thanks breadpad) You can put it out and it screws closed to save the fuel. In practice, this sounds better than it works. Just don't overfill, and burn it till it's dry. Comes with a simmer ring. I fooled around with the can ones. My friend's monster can stove is nice. Soda can stoves don't hold enough fuel.

Just get one of these for $35.
http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-Pocket-Rocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345917655&sr=8-1&keywords=msr+pocket+rocket

Then order some 8oz fuel cans to your work. We fed 8 people off 2 cans for 8 days on our last camping trip. I'm guessing you could do 10-12 meals per can pretty easily.

http://www.austinkayak.com/products/5667/MSR-IsoPro-Fuel-8-oz.html was the cheapest i could find it online.

You could in the can cook any soup, stew or veggies in less than 10 minutes on this thing. I've even done steaks on it.

It’s a solid fuel camp stove. The metal part folds out and you sit a pot on top of it. The fuel blocks are burned one at a time but are stored inside of it when not in use.

Edit: similar to this

Not to mention aluminum beverage cans actually have an inner plastic/rubberized liner to keep the beverage from contacting aluminum which would impart a bad taste. This liner is dissolving in your fuel and you are cooking over it? Also don't make beer can chicken because of this reason, you don't want to heat a BPA liner. They are inert at low temps but add a solvent or high temp and its a different story.

I have one of these for a portable camping stove... really awesome. Packs down to almost nothing and only requires wood or you can carry alcohol to burn.

Even smaller is one like this. Just being able to hear water or make a soup is huge for cheap food. Thrift stores or garage sales have dirt cheap pots and kitchen utensils all the time. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_1TGzDbWBRF80Q

The 100% best solution is to have a propane burner along with a High Pressure Hose so that you can use normal propane tanks that you'd get for your grill. Then keep maybe 3 of those full and ready to go and that will maintain your ability to use your stocks for a good while. (Note: I didn't dig too deep into direct compatibility of those two items. I just listed them as an example so you could see what I was talking about.)

Barring that... it's a question of shelf life vs cost. Obviously MRE's would be one of the better options, but they're pricey and it's best to store them in cool environments which may not be doable for everyone. Mainstay 2400 Bars are available at Walmart for $5 apiece and are fantastic for BOB's due to their hardiness, but surviving on those for any length of time would probably be miserable.

Dropping into normal foods... yeah, a well stocked and rotated pantry is the way to go.

• Peanut Butter is high calorie, flavorful, and a thing most people can use regularly anyway. If you have forewarning you can try to snag extra bread from the grocery store. Barring that, YouTube how to make bread and get busy in the days leading out to the outage. I think whole wheats tend to last a bit longer, and I think things like wrapping the loaf in cling wrap then sealing it in Tupperware can help, but I'm not a baker so I can't say for sure.
  
  
• Canned meats are a good call as the next in lineup. Tuna is obvious, but you can get canned chicken as well. Add some crackers into the mix and whatever seasoning you like (I'm a fiend for Lemon Pepper ) and those are meals on their own, though a bit pricey. Spam and tinned ham, while less pleasant uncooked, are also edible.
  
  
• The good canned soups are fine right out of the can. Obviously they're less pleasant not being warmed, but that's actually something you can probably remedy to a degree just by having tea candles under them. There are also several camping stoves that do not require propane, and you can of course just have some sterno on hand too.
  
  
• After that... well almost anything canned can work. Refried beans or Baked Beans cold out of the can are edible if not the most pleasant way to eat them. Good return on calories for those, and if you have a large family they are available in #10 Cans which will save you a lot on cost. Canned Veggies can be added in to other meals without heating, though the calorie returns on them make them inefficient. Canned/Jarred Fruit on the other hand can be a delicious morale lifter.
  
  
• Bars of Velveeta keep for a surprising amount of time in the pantry, and there are about 2240 calories per full bar of them. That's another great option for throwing on crackers. Crack open a jar of salsa and add a bit to each cracker and that's tasty eating.
  
  
• While it's not my favorite thing ever, Summer Sausage is around 1600 calories for a pounds of it and is shelf stable for a while when unopened I believe, though check the packaging to be safe. I believe Hickory Farms Cheese/Sausage lasts for months, though if you're not eating it regularly I don't know how feasible it is to have on hand consistently or in time for a disaster like this.
  
  
• While the ideas could probably keep going, I'll end with trail mix. It's easily obtainable at a lot of locations, includes nuts, candy, and fruit so it's palatable, and tends to have a fairly high caloric return. Add in other snack foods like beef jerky, chips, and candy/energy/protein bars (also available at a lot of locations) and it should be fairly easy to find enough ways to get your daily calories in in the short term without needing to heat things up.

Nice post, thanks for sharing!

• I'm not a big fan of military style backpacks, but I don't know why everyone always brings up drawing attention. People prepare for a lot of things, like a car breaking down, not always a nefarious doomsday scenario. Also, if you're hurt and can't get to your bag it will be pretty obvious where to find your FAK or other emergency supplies. Either way I think function should be the first consideration when choosing a backpack that you could potentially need to wear for a very long time.
  
  
• Military style bags are heavy, durable, and come in drab colors that may increase camouflage in the woods and yet decrease it in the aforementioned urban havoc type situation. Overall I've never been convinced the extra weight is worth the usefulness with all the straps and what not, but hey I don't own one so that is really just an assumption.
  
  
• Super new lookin gear, yes indeed. I'd also be interested in a follow-up on what was used hiking/camping overnight and what wasn't.
  
  
• Since that stove is still in the wrapper, I would return it and buy something lighter like this: MSR PocketRocket Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_U.E6xbTXJPCBN - Used it many times and it works great for not much added weight. Others may say remove the stove but a warm beverage or meal can be a life saver physically and mentally.
  
  
• What's the benefit of external pouches when your bag isn't full? You are adding a lot of extra weight at the expense of needing to get to smaller items quickly.
  
  
• How much does everything weigh? Some UL folks can hike ("go") for months at a time with a 15lb base-weight.
  
  Anyway, cheers to a good start! Everyone who is away from home a lot (most of the working population) should have a bag in their car to help get home or sustain.

I am a r/VanDwellers and live from a van that has a fridge (cooler-shaped, 12v/24v/120v Dometic 65-quart fridge/freezer combo), a little Camco camp toilet, pressurized hot water tank for dishes and bathing,a Camp Chef dual-burner propane stove with oven that uses Coleman tanks or a white tank, and a modest ($1,300) solar setup...

I've lived completely off grid and mobile since August 20 17 until this past Winter because cold and snow!

With a double bed across the back with regular linens, storage for clothes and tools and cooking, power outlets, I have all the comforts of home.

Not counting the van, my complete setup was about $3,500.

The Prairie Schooner can be disassembled in a day and all the components can be applied to a cabin - as soon as I get some land (LOL!) for said cabin - leaving a regular cargo van for work or resale.

This grill from UCO/Amazon is similar, check it out

http://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-Grill/dp/B000980JMW

Oh gawd.

1. Find a way to create a flat floor - fold down the rear seats and shove some plywood in there if need be. Uneven surfaces are murder on your back.
   
2. Any enclosed space will start to smell funny due to humidity buildup. A car in motion circulates air constantly; a car at rest will fog up fast. Rolling down a window a bit (and maybe covering it with a bit of mesh) is advised.
   
3. Febreeze your car. You can't smell it. Everyone else can. (Emptying about half a bottle into your car, idling it with the heat cranked up until it gets stupid hot inside, then driving a mile with the windows open to purge it is recommended.
   
4. If you can, get a tiny under desk space heater (mine is about 200w) on a long extension cord. You can keep the car surprisingly warm without the windows fogging.
   
5. Once it hits freezing, all bets are off. Exposure is like the worst flu you've ever had.
   
6. Wal-mart is generally very hospitable to people living in their cars - and it's clearly marked if they're not. Califorina, Colorado, and Tucson are the major exceptions.
   
7. A cooler full of ice is a must-have. A good cooler can go quite a long time on a few bucks of ice.
   
8. An Iwatani butane burner and a frying pan will let you cook quite a lot at a rest stop - just put it on a picnic table; they're designed for indoor tabletop use. This one is great value.
   
9. If you make it to south-central Wisconsin, I'll buy you brunch.

Jetboils boil water better than almost anything. If you're eating freeze-dried mountain house meals or something, you can't really beat it. Otherwise, they're just like any other canister stove.

If you want something simple/light/cheap, you could get something like:

This BRS Stove and

This Ti pot or a bigger one for more people/larger meals

and a canister

Camping stoves are less than $10, and the fuel will last for a couple days worth of dinners. Fried eggs and Grilled cheese can help keep you warm!

Plus you can justify the cost by actually using the food you've already got. Plan B would be to buy the fuel and make a stove out of a used can, but that's more dangerous for most people.

A lot of people are going to suggest that you just build your own. It's pretty easy to do so out of a cat food tin or a soda/beer can. There's a ton of websites and YouTube videos with directions on how to do so, so a google search for instructions should easily yield results. Homemade alcohol stoves are also going to be lighter yet than any commercially produced models.

The only commercially produced brand of alcohol stove that I have any familiarity with is the Trangia Spirit Burner. They are pretty cheap (usually around $15) and while they are light, they are noticeably heavier than a soda can stove is. They are much more durable than most homemade models are, though.

The one thing that I like about the Trangia is that you can purchase it with a primer for it improves the stove's efficiency in cold weather. You could probably build one yourself to use with a homemade stove, too, though.

(Edited to add links.)

Facebook Hiking Gear Flea Market is a good place to start. You can put out feelers for gear you are looking for.

Gear Trade is also another good place for used gear.

Also, you can't be so vague if you want actual advice. Where do you live? How tall/weight? Where will you be doing most of your hiking/backpacking?

You're going to want lightweight gear if you're hiking/backpacking mostly, but don't get obsessed with the idea of lightweight until you understand what gear works for you. Here is a quick buffer off the top of my head.

Backpack - Size? How long will you be out? Best idea is to find an REI or sporting good place near you and try on some different packs. If you find one you like, look online for the best price.


Tent - Just you? Multiple People? Weather Conditions? Don't just buy the $50 Coleman because it's cheap, it also weighs 5x as much as something $50-$100 more. You might want to save the $, but your back will not be thanking you when you've been hiking as day with that dead weight. MSR, North Face, Big Agnes, TarpTent, Kelty, alps mountaineering, ETC. They all make quality tents, just look around for deals, yo.


Sleeping Bag - Down/Synthetic, what's the temp looking like? Too much variety here. Just remember, down will be lighter, but useless if wet. They make a lot of good down with water protection these days, but they can get $$$. Synthetic will be heavy, but can be trashed.


Mat - Need basic ground protection or something to also lock in warmth? Therm a Rest makes a variety of great mats. The SOlite and Z lite SOL are two great ones for the price. The more comfortable you want to be, the more $ you'll spend.


Cook Stove/Fuel - Will you be cooking? How much? Multi purpose eating utensil? Want something cheap, Amazon has these great Chinese made cook stoves with built in ignition that are super cheap They'll screw on to most mix fuel canisters that can be found at any sporting goods place.


Water - Reservoir (camelback), how much water will you need? Safe water sources? Filter/Aquamira? Dromedary if water is scarce? Sawyer Squeeze is becoming big and so are life straws. I personally use a Katadyn Hiker Pro, but its a bit bulky and heavy for lightweight backpacking.


Food - How long you going to be out? What is most energy/weight efficient? Packaging is bad, mmkkay. Break things down to conserve weight.


Clothing - No Cotton unless you want something nice to sleep in. Synthetic and blends. They wick and are light. Unless you're going to be out for an extended trip, embrace your backpacking lifestyle and leave the extras at home (Other than undies, bring an extra) Socks - Good socks are a must (Darn Tough, Smartwool are great brands). 2 pairs of socks, one to hike in, one to wear at camp or if others get ruined/too funky.

First Aid - Unless someone else is carrying one, always try to have one with you. You can make your own with simple bandages, aspirin, tape, wrap, etc. Or you can buy a pre assembled one online or at a store. New Skin is great for foot blisters, so is duct tape.

Random - Throw some paracord, karabiners, replacement clips and straps, a knife, bandana, compass (If you're in the backcountry), maps, whistle, and whatever you're favorite beverage may be (pack out, my friend.)

That's all I could think of in 10 minutes as a good bugger, hope it helps.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_WA1yCb1ZM4RDA

If you're looking for a simple cooking solution, that is what I do all of my cooking on when car dwelling. I scored an off brand one for less than $20 at Fred Meyer, so they're out there for cheaper than Amazon.

Although with a van, I would probably splurge for a 2 burner setup. I car dwell for weeks at a time, so space savings is a big deal for my setup.

First off, your clothes/shoes won't dry inside a plastic bag. They need somewhere to transfer the moisture to. Keeping them loose in your sleeping bag is an absolutely awful idea. The moisture will transfer from your clothes to the synthetic/down insulation of the bag - effectively ruining its insulating power until it dries. If you are serious about going light, check out the quilts made by hammockgear.com. They are a good price and very light. Your stove options are either a light canister stove ( I use this baby at only seven bucks ) or to make your own denatured alcohol stove out of a soda/catfood can. Both work, and the stoves are easy to make. That will save you buku weight. For a tent, you need to look no farther than a Henry Shires tarptent. I personally like the notch and the contrail. Both are well under your budget, are incredibly well made and are less than 2 lbs.

Check the MSR Pocket Rocket. It's $35 and it weighs 3 oz.
The fuel canister is about 8oz. It boils a liter of water in under 3.5 minutes rain or shine. Wind can be a little tricky. I have been using one for a couple years now with no complaints.


Most important function: Making morning coffee.

My wife and I started with a Trangia alcohol stove. It is great because you can store unused alcohol in the screw lid container, and it's very robust. The "simmer ring" isn't all that useful-except as a good way to snuff out your stove. The cons are it is heavier than other alcohol stoves.

Generally, alcohol stoves take longer to boil water than a canister stove. There is also the added risk of open fuel that is quite flammable. I've seen many a fireball happen from people with more than questionable alcohol stoves.

Ultimately we changed to a MicroRocket canister stove. The convenience of the canister stove just outweighed any additional weight (honestly, after a 1000 miles of hiking, the tiny difference in weight really doesn't matter). It cooked so much faster, was way quicker to set up, and we were not nearly as leery about cooking in our vestibule on some crappy days. At the end of long days all I want is to shovel as much food into my mouth as fast as possible.

Availability of canisters is abundant. Canister stoves are extremely popular on the trail and the outfitters know that. Practically all of the outfitters carry canisters. Finding denatured alcohol is quite easy as well. Either outfitters give it away, sell it by the ounce, or there is a local store to get a bottle of HEET (yellow bottle).

You will have to refuel more frequently with an alcohol stove. Probably on the order of once a week you will be looking for resupply. With a canister it's more like once a month (8oz.). We went ~500 miles on one canister, cooking 1 meal a day for 2 people. Others I know completed the entire trail in 4-5 canisters.

Some people have had canisters mail-dropped in, because they found cheap deals on the canisters. They are supposed to be packaged accordingly to USPS hazardous material standards, but I have seen people receive them in their regular mail drops. Do so at your own risk and all that.

In my opinion, I would recommend a canister stove. If I were to thru hike again I would take my canister stove, hands down.

Not exactly. I have a typical, generic stir fry template (unless I'm trying to do something specific).

Heat a little oil till almost smoking, throw in some dried whole chiles and stir fry until they toasted and are smelling good.

Throw in the velveted meat, cooking till the color is right (need not be totally cooked through at this point), add some minced ginger and garlic and fry another 30 seconds or so until aromatic, then pull the meat and chiles and set aside.

Add whatever veggies and stir fry till just shy of tender-crisp (if you have a lid, another technique you can use--depending on the veggies involved--is adding a small bit of water and putting a lid to the wok to encourage steaming).

Add the meat back in along with whatever sauce is being used, and continue to cook until everything's happy.

My usual finishing sauce is a combination of soy sauce, water, sugar, rice wine, toasted sesame seed oil, corn starch.

There is a FANTASTIC youtube channel for American Chinese featuring an old hand that knows what the fuck he is doing. I will try to find it for when you I get home from work, and will edit it into this comment if I do.

EDIT - The chiles are totally optional. You can leave them out altogether, leave them in but eat around them, or, if you are a heat freak like me, eat them whole along with everything else on your plate. If you just want a kiss of heat, toast them in the oil, and then remove and discard before adding your meat. You can get big bags of the right kinda dried chile at any Asian grocery for cheap.

EDIT - Some links!

So in reviewing, this guy's channel has some American Chinese, but a lot of authentic Chinese recipes as well. If nothing else, watch some of his stir fry videos just to check his technique. Very solid fundamentals, but you'll need a proper wok and a decent gas burner to do what he does.

Here's the channel: Siu's Cooking

Not sure what your setup is, but these things are fantastic if you don't have access to a decent gas range: Portable Butane Burner. These are also available (along with fuel canisters) at pretty much any Asian grocery, usually less than $20.

Here's another solid channel to browse: Happy Wok

I have also heard great things about the $18 stove on Amazon from BRS

Or don't?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/58nlkz/what_gear_or_technique_did_you_buy_or_try_only_to/d91tmmf/

TL;DR: with a BRS-3000T, 25-gram, canister-top stove and a light-weight pot for boiling water, alcohol doesn't save you much weight on short trips, and on longer, un-resupplied trips, LPG wins.

See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/5akas5/nifty_but_possibly_dangerous_refill_transfer_fuel/

EDIT - never have to check for "fire bans" with LPG either - the stoves have a shut-off valve and are typically exempt.

I've used pocket rockets and alcohol stoves for a good while. Lately I've been using the BSR Ulralight stove http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U. Really cheap and light if you go the canister stove route.
Any stove you use will need to kept steady and level. As long as the canister isn't rocking you shouldn't have an issue.

BRS Ultrlight Stove

Been using this for 2 years. nothing competes on size/weight/price.

REI's Backpacking Tips for Beginners is a good place to start.

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-beginners.html

You'll notice the first section is "Find an Experienced Partner". While this sub and others can give you a lot of advice, it's not a substitute for a partner who knows what they're doing. That doesn't mean you can't just go out and "wing it"... if you do, don't bite off more than you can chew. Better to take a few shorter overnights just to get used to things before heading out into the backcountry and having an epic. And I think you need a permits for Yos/Mammoth, so better look into that.

The REI list discusses shared gear and personal gear. Most likely an experienced partner is going to already own a tent, stove, cookware... but if it's just two of you with no gear, you'll have to pick up both shared and personal gear. How you want to split the cost is up to you.

The checklists are nice... but before you go out and buy everything on the list, make sure you will actually need them. Start with the basics; tent, bag, pad, pack, headlamp, FAK, maps & compass, stove, pot, utensils, shoes and clothing... and then go from there.

Here's the REI backpacking checklist:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-checklist.html

It's comprehensive, but remember you don't need everything on the list. It's pretty common for a beginner to go out and spend way too much money, and then start leaving stuff home as they find they don't need it on the trail.

REI is a great place to spend (a lot of) money. They've got very nice gear, and a great return policy if the gear doesn't work for you... but you'll pay full retail if you just walk in and buy the gear. With a membership, all full price items return 10% to you at the end of the year so it's not too bad, and they have seasonal 20% off coupons which do help. It's a good place to pick up a pack since they can help getting you one that fits, which goes a long way to a comfortable hike. Ditto with shoes, and you can try out mattress pads and see what's comfortable for you.

You can buy other things elsewhere like Amazon... but it's recommended that you go to a gear shop to try on packs (and buy it there to support the store).

Here are a few recommendations:

Pack - Gregory and Osprey are often recommended. For a beginner, 50L-60L is a good size. Don't get a 70L pack, you'll just end up bringing more gear than you need. Try the pack on, load it up with weights, and make sure it fits and carries well. Sometimes the REI packs will fit you better than others... if that's the case get the REI (and save a few bucks).

Tent - Huge range of products here. The Lynx is a decent starter tent for the cost. It'll probably last a few years, and by then hopefully you'll have more money and more experience and get something you like better.

Sleeping bag - If you can afford a down bag, that's great, they're lighter and pack smaller than synthetic bags. The Kelty Cosmic 20 is a good bag for the price.


Pad - Look at the basic inflatables (keep in mind the R-value if you're thinking of going later in the season) like the Thermarest ProLite. Some stick with foam pads like the Thermarest Z Lite pad to save money. Try them out and see what you like.

Stove - The MSR PocketRocket is ol' reliable. Lot of people have them, but the new MSR PocketRocket 2 is more compact and lighter. There are some cheap (< $15) stoves on Amazon, the Etekcity and BRS 3000T... people have been using them but they're small and more suited to people who are just boiling water for dehydrated meals rather than those who actually cook.

Cookset - Don't spend money on a 12 piece cookset...they're cool, but at some point you'll probably figure out you only need a shared pot and a mug for each person. And maybe a small fry pan. Depends on what you want to eat out there. Anodized aluminum is light and sturdy, but more expensive than other options. Titanium is super light, but doesn't disperse heat well so it's great for boiling water, but not so much for cooking non-liquid meals. Stainless steel is heavy but will last many years.

Spork - so many sporks out there... long handled spoons work better for getting food from the bottom of a packet.

Headlamp - Get a decent headlamp. Black Diamond Spot is a nice one, Petzl makes some nice ones as well.

Good luck!

I'll help ya out in the ultralight department, and on the cheap:
BRS Ultra-light Titanium Stove, $17, 1.5oz
TOAKS Titanium 550ml Pot, $25, 3.5oz

There are tons of affordable ultralight gear, lemme know if you want any more suggestions

I have one of these I've used a few times. Super lightweight and gets the job done. http://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-9-Inch/dp/B000980JMW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1462917629&sr=8-2&keywords=portable+camping+grill

Here's a nice ribeye beginning its journey.

I really like the grill pictured. Small and packs easy. Not the simplest thing to put together, but there is something zen about putting all the spokes in place. Had it for a year now and still hanging in there.

UCO Grilliput Portable Camping Grill

In the '89 earthquake we were without power and water for a few days or more. Telephones didn't work (no cell phones back then). "Liquifaction" caused buildings in the Marina to slid off their foundations. The Bay Bridge was out of service for months. Then came the Northridge quake. Having an earthquake kit is being prepared. Here's some of what's in mine.

1. [First Aid Kit] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003H2EODW/).
   
   
2. Water. I've got four of [these] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053GVRWQ/) stored under my bed. Plus a couple of boxes of [these] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ANY4EXM/)
   
   
3. [Emergency food] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00955DUHQ/), and a [three pack of S.O.S. rations] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MDY91HY/).
   
   
4. [Lantern] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018S4XIS/), flashlights and batteries.
   
   
5. [Portable propane stove] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009PUR5E/) and propane.
   
   
6. I have a [UPS backup battery] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0083TXNMM/) that will charge cell phones etc.
   
   
7. Various camping gear and tools.
   

Prior to turning yourself in, please seek legal aid from a community legal aid service. I'm unfamiliar with the processes in the US but this service may suit your needs: http://www.lafla.org/

If anything they may be able to help you gain an understanding of the best way forward with the fines etc. If there's an opportunity to apply for a payment instalment plan for the fines then they should be able to point you in the right direction.

Don't face this issue alone as you really really don't want to end up in jail. 2-3 weeks sounds okay now but there are serious ramifications once you get out, especially in regards to employment. Your current employer isn't going to be happy for you to just take 3 weeks off to go to jail. You need to keep your job.

Also in regards to living in your car and buying fast food, you could probably save a whole lot of money if you bought a little butane camper stove for about $20 (the butane refills are cheap as), a cheap saucepan and bought some veges from a farmers market. Tinned food will also work well with the stove. Easy to boil up some water and make instant noodles too if you are in a pinch.

The stove is a campchef that can be found here Camp Chef Camping Outdoor Oven with 2 Burner Camping Stove https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_lH80BbV4NPPG2
Works a treat :)
It's the short Wheelbase and the bed is lengthwise, I'm 6'3".
This setup is the max space efficient without sacrificing usability of the kitchen.

Seriously you're not going to believe me because it's so cheap but this is what so many people I know use and it's as good as MSR or my snowpeak stove. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004LUZCQM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1X1WUM5HL2863&coliid=I22XM0G3205ID3&psc=1

If I was starting over I'd get this for sure.

> I'm seriously considering getting a quality portable range so I can fry them outside

Yes, if your kitchen has shitty ventilation, a propane grill with a side burner, or a butane rechaud or something is great for searing stuff outside and not coating the entire inside of your kitchen with a fine layer of grease.

https://smile.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/?th=1&psc=1

that looks like a ripoff of the Grilliput, lots of places sell it:

http://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-Grill/dp/B000980JMW

-I would start with finding a lighter tent first. If you don’t have the cash for new check craigslist or eBay.
-10 lbs of clothes also seems excessive (think layers and the only items I would ever consider varying more than one would be socks/underwear)
-Im not sure what your plans on food are but freeze dried/dehydrated meals and a lightweight stove would be my recommendation. One of these (https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE) and a lightweight pot to boil in would save you a lot weight.
-Your sleeping bag is also pretty heavy and depending on what the temperatures are you can find lightweight down bags that aren’t very expensive as long as the temperature won’t be under 30 degrees.
-You may want to consider a water filter if you’re backpacking in an area that has water readily available.

Here's the solid fuel: https://www.amazon.ca/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001HYIHGC/

Canister stove from Etekcity: https://www.amazon.ca/RioRand-Backpacking-Canister-Camping-Foldable/dp/B00FFWJIOM/

Alcohol stove: https://www.amazon.ca/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-with-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970/

Melitta pour-over filter holder: https://www.amazon.ca/MELITTA-Plastic-Pour-Over-Coffee-Filters/dp/B00CHILTMG/

Gooseneck pot: https://www.amazon.ca/Blesiya-Stainless-Coffee-Kettle-Gooseneck/dp/B07R47CNFW/ (You need the gooseneck for a good pour-over coffee!)

I'm fully clothed wearing a coat. Homeless challenge.

Backpack - $12.95
headlamp - $10.17
sleeping bag - $24.00
travel toothbrush + paste set - $4.90
Dr Bronner Soap - $4.99
baby wipes - $3.95
Good pocket knife - $12.99 metal spork - $2.16 pot - $8.96 stove + fuel - $10.99 $96.06 add on a bottle of water and bic lighter from a store and that's it.

https://www.amazon.com/TMS-Portable-Military-Camping-Ice-fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A

Do you have any stove? I like a simple and cheap butane stove. Work on stuff with one dish and often canned food. Watch out for the sodium.

I like bean tacos for in car cooking. Can of beans can of veggies (corn or mixed); peppers if you got them. Cost for people about $2. Unless your rig is just always parked make a habit of just cooking in parking lots of grocery stores or Walmart. Dollar store sometimes works but often they don't have bathrooms. You get easy access to everything, plus a bathroom. AND it is always a good idea NEVER to use the bathroom or cook where you sleep.

https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474584564&sr=8-1&keywords=stove+burner+butane

Why not a portable butane stove burner? Top it with a Korean BBQ rack for tabletop grilling excellence.

I haven't hiked the JMT so I can't comment on your clothing system but here are some general thoughts:

Ditch the headlamp for a sub 1oz USB rechargeable flashlight $30

Ditch the Leatherman for a Victorinox Swiss Army Classic $15

Ditch the paper maps and use Guthook's since you already have it. $Free

Ditch the Sea to Summit X-Cup and I wouldn't bother with the hot lips either $Free

Replace the trash compactor bag with a Fumigation bag $2.49

Ditch the compass $Free

Replace the stove with the BRS Stove $15

All this should save you about ~11 ounces for ~$63.

If you are worried about fitting in the superior 35 I would take a look at the MLD Prophet $195. This should be plenty of room and will save you an additional 18+ ounces.

This is an option if you want to shave some weight replacing the pocket rocket.

I've spent over 2 months with one had no complaints, and plan to take it on my thru starting next week (Ahh!). Just have to be more careful when you're cooking and watch out for winds/make a good windscreen for it. The biggest downside to them is you can't use them in a tent vestibule in the rain.

If you just want a light/cheap stove aren't set on alcohol, there's the BRS 3000, sub 1oz canister stove http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

Butane camp stoves are super cheap, cans of fuel are $2-3 and last quite a while. I've switched to bringing just this, and a pot and pan.

It's currently cheaper on Amazon https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N5O7551/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Using what kind of fuel? For canisters I've been using a Soto OD-1R in warm weather, and in cold weather I've been using a Kovea Spider. The Kovea is easier to set up flat and sits lower to the ground, but it's twice the weight of the Soto at 6 oz. However, you can flip the fuel canister which is a big help in the cold. Either of these stoves can be used to simmer, which extends their usefulness to more than making hot water. The Spider works well with a 1.5 liter pot (MSR), while the Soto is better with a smaller tall pot like a Snow Peak 700 or 900.

For alcohol stoves I've been using the penny stove lately-great little design but does require some effort to make and then combine with other items to make a full kit. I have been using it with either a MSR Titan mug or a Snow Peak 700 mini-pot, a home built pot stand, and windscreen. Can't really simmer with this stove though, at least in my experience.

If you want an alcohol stove with no fuss get a Trangia. It's the same stove combined with differing pot sets at the link above, you can get the stove by itself. It's heavier than the penny stove, but you can simmer with it plus carry it with fuel in it already-very convenient.

OK, here is a brain dump of whatever comes into my mind. Just hoping to spark your memory so don't get mad if I say a bunch of stuff you already know...

Put all the pieces into a lighterpack.com account and checkout r/Ultralight before you buy (head over there and burn down the sidebar reading list and the incomplete-wiki, it's worth it).

Is that Osprey really 70 L? That's huge. Probably weighs a ton, what are you bringing that fills up 70 L on a 3-5 day summer trip? A 50 L beer keg? Maybe you have some sweet luxury items that take up a lot of space in the pack, but I'd drop the volume on the pack to at least 50 L. If you can manage it, Try a Ultimate Direction Fastpack 30. But if you just can't get your volume that small, get what works. Weight is an issue too, in frameless packs the straps are uncomfortable over 30 lbs, sometimes less. But if you make some smart choices right now, you shouldn't bust 30 lbs. (It's also smart to get the rest of the gear first to get an idea of how much volume you'll need in your pack and if you'll need a frame.)

Research quilt vs sleeping bag. Quilts are big these days unless you are a crazy sleeper. Enlightened Equipment is the shiz. I've bought 4 quilts and made 3 DIY and EE are the best I've tried. EE also sells a synthetic quilt called the prodigy which I use in the summers or as a layer in the winters. I hear that Katabatic quilts are truly the best if the price tag doesn't scare you away. And a super cheap, but quality option though on aliexpress, it's buy at your own risk. Worked for me last time, doesn't mean it will next time.

Massdrop is selling a skinny UL static V (and the insulated verion) right now for cheap. (I own the insulated option and bought it from massdrop.) But there's a lighter not-as-skinny pad called a Thermorest Neoair Xlite. Also the sea to shining sea ultralight pad gets high marks. So look at those, see what other pads are popping on r/ultralight, the balance the weight and costs to your preference. (Assuming you know about r-values and what your needs will be in Maine/Vermont. I'm guessing spring is a little cold so maybe r=~4 in the early spring or high altitude?)

Nemo tents are great. If you're only camping spring/summer I'd get a much lighter weight tarp tent. Like 3 lbs or less including stakes/cords (and footprint if your tent has a bathtub floor).

11-14 oz MSR Whisperlite is awesome. Stoves are pretty personal, it's best to go with one you trust. MSR is probably the right choice for you. I use a tiny 2oz stove and a homemade windscreen. My stove is finicky and too small if you're cooking for 2 or more. However, there's a whole mess of stoves between the 2oz and 14 oz which might still cover you and save you a few ounces or half a pound. Like the Kovea Spider which I also have, and use in the cold (gas liquefies and fuel can must be inverted, so I need a freestanding stove with a tube). I'm personally biased against the jetboil because of how much space it takes in my pack, but I own 2. They are fast, good for groups. Again the MSR is NOT a bad choice.

You also need a cook pot. Titanium is a waste of money, find a cheap Aluminum one for the same results. Like the olicamp ones, or if you want a real lid, you'll have to spend more (the metal lids cost way more for some odd reason).

Water filtration. Everybody ravs over the Sawyer Squeeze and I guess I'm out of the loop having never tried it. Fretting about making sure my filter doesn't freeze seems like a source of anxiety. I'll try it eventually though. I like the hand pump water filters. I rock an MSR hyperflow. And if I'm in a big group, I'll break out my Katadyn 6L Gravity Filter.

Get a down jacket from costco or sams for 20$, if you're camping in it, you'll wear it out so no use spending a ton there. (Down packs small and won't take up nearly any pack space)

Get a headlamp, I prefer blackdiamond or Fenix. For BD this image sums it up very nicely. For fenix there's a variety but I am currently using the HL55 (900 lumens). Again look at the weights, but also look at the battery requirements and the longevity/efficiency. Find what you like.

Ok my brain is dumped. Hopefully I hit on something worth your time. If I were you, I'd go as cheap as possible, then put the savings into funding your travel for hiking or buying a kayak. Random, I know, but having blown tons of money on gear I feel like there's quality for a good price if you look for it. And using the extra money to break into a new hobby opens the door to a potentially mind altering experience. Especially a related hobby like kayaking, fishing, snowshoeing, rock climbing, diving (though this one is lots of money), or whatever's clever.

Your stove is fairly heavy, you can save 9 oz with a BRS3000 (.9 oz) and a light aluminum or Ti pot. This is the cheapest way to lighten up if you want to stay with a cannister. A DIY ethanol stove is cheaper and lighter still.

Do you need such a heavy battery?

Are you bringing a phone?

Sounds like you probably don't NEED the Whisperlite as you're not really taking advantage of its features and carrying all the extra weight of a Whisperlite.


There are tons of cheap canister stoves on Amazon. Since your friends use a Jetboil, it sounds like you can buy canister fuel. I currently use this stove. https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1510073163&sr=1-1&keywords=bsr+stove&dpID=41J7KacqzpL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch I do find it is loud, but I bet it's much quieter than the Whisperlite which IIRC is very loud.


I've never understood the advantage to the Jetboil systems. IMO, they add a lot of extra weight to gain the fuel efficiency advantage of having a heat exchanger added into it. To me, they are simply not worth the extra expense and weight penalty.

This is lighter then the micro rocket and much cheaper then both the pocket rocket and micro rocket.

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

Others on the Ultralight subreddit have recommended this stove as well.

Here is what I think is the best stove for backpacking and it is $12.

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U


Add a fuel canister to that, a cheap pot, a mini bic lighter and a spoon and your kitchen is complete.


Rent the Big3 from REI (sleeping bag, tent, pack). Buy the Sawyer Mini water filter for $25 and use Smartwater bottles to store water. Take your existing clothes (no cotton) and use your existing shoes.

Sterno is a terrible fuel for backpacking. I'd use a canister fuel stove. A cheap option is the BRS 3000 - link here.

An alternative would be to build your own alcohol stove, which is easy but slightly more finicky. Follow the rough directions [here] (http://andrewskurka.com/2011/how-to-make-a-fancy-feast-alcohol-stove/)

The tent in this picture appears to be the kind that just has 3 flexible poles. This is an example. Really easy to set up. Camp in a campground. State parks are usually pretty nice. Your car will be right there. They often have pay phones and camp hosts if you run into problems. They usually sell firewood too. Make yourself some Fire Starters, this can be a fun activity by itself. Or buy some. Pack a cooler, something to cook on and something to cook in. Here is a good link to camping food. Check out this kid camping guide and maybe go over to r/camping. Have so much fun! Camping is amazing. I have been doing it my entire life, all of my kids and their spouses camp, so far my grandkids love it too. So many amazing memories to be had.

$500 for food and the camp stove and propane? Or $500 for a grill? Those numbers seem to be very off.

I have one of these: www.amazon.com/Coleman-Bottle-Top-Propane-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E

and a crap ton of the 1 LB propane bottles and that was well under $100 for everything. You can get a 4 pack of those 1 LB propane bottles for like $8.00 at Walmart

Honestly, this is too open ended to give appropriate advice. What are you cooking? Predominantly boiled water food, or more varied cooking? How many people are you cooking for? What climate do you live in? Will you be boiling water to purify it? Will you be using the cookset while car camping or on longer treks into the backcountry? What's your price range?

The absolute cheapest is going to be a diy alcohol stove (there are tons of different methods) and a diy can pot. The whole setup would be negligible in price and ultralight for backpacking but doesn't do much more than boil water.

Moving up are canister stoves which range from $10 for a simple stove to $100+ for a Jetboil or similar system. I have an MSR Pocket Rocket and the temperature control makes these systems better for cooking more complicated backcountry meals beyond boiling water. The downside is the canisters are not reusable and it's hard to tell exactly how much fuel you have left. Predictably, the Jetboil is very fast and efficient at boiling water but not great at more complicated cooking.

Stepping up from the diy cooking pots are any cheap aluminum pots. These can be dedicated camping pots, or just any general discount pot.

Moving beyond canister stoves you can look at liquid gas stoves like the MSR Whisperlite. These stoves cost $100-150 and depending on the model can use white gas, gasoline, kerosene, and some also have adapters for canisters. The nearly unlimited fuel source make these stoves fantastic for prepping and the refillable liquid fuel bottle allows you to always know how much fuel you have. They are larger and heavier than canister stoves (though about equivalent to a Jetboil) and don't have great heat control. I use my MSR Whisperlite as my go-to stove just because it's easier to use than wasting my canister fuel.

A step up from basic backpacking pots are titanium pots. At this point all you're paying for is less weight than your cheaper options.

You can also look at large, traditional dual burner coleman stoves. These essentially give you a normal stove-top while camping and the propane canisters are relatively cheap. Of course, these are not suitable for anything but home use and car camping.

Another option for bushcraft, depending on your climate, is to just use a campfire. Some people only take a steel water bottle and use it to boil water in the campfire for their cooking needs. This is usually too much hassle for me after a long day of hiking but I occasionally use this method depending on the trip and weather.

When you look at cooking sets, stay away from nice little kits with pots and plates and silverware and cups. All you really need is a pot and a spoon or spork. Sometimes I bring a cup and or bowl, but I think it's best to keep things simple and lightweight.

There are other options out there but I hope this answered your question. If I was to blindly recommend one complete budget-minded set right now, it would be the MSR Pocket Rocket - $40, this pot and cup combo - $11, and this spork -$3, plus a $10 isobutane canister.

Get you a emberit fireant
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00P2XDTMQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_9L0TzbSYJECS7

And a trangia alcohol stove
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000AR7970/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1505184435&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=trangia+alcohol+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=41d9tYSe2BL&ref=plSrch

I love this combo. The trangia stove fits right in the top of the fire ant.

When the weather is bad or if I'm in a hurry I'll use the trangia + fireant. I'll dig a hole in the ground and put th fire ant down in the hole as a wind screen if I'm using the fireant + trangia combo.

If it's not raining I'll use just the fireant. load it up with some wood shavings and other tinder and light it up!

You have an extra 0 on that link so it doesn't work. Here's the correct link:

http://www.amazon.com/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-with-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970/

Edit: typo

Well that can be a long list... here goes though:

Water

Dehydrated food

Cooking utensils (I just bring a small pot/cup and a spork personally)

Stove

Sleeping bag

Tent (two pound, two person from Big 5)

550 paracord

2 tarps

Katadyn base camp filter

Sunshade for camping pad

Multi-tool

Compass

Map

Lighter & matches

Water purifying tablets

I'm sure I'm leaving a few things off, but those are several of the basics

Looks like it's probably this one.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002XNWC8A/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1527341415&sr=8-14&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=wood+burning+stove

This is one recommended by Eleanor Hoh whom I rather trust when it comes to cooking with a wok:

https://eleanorhoh.com/stove/

https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG

It goes up to 12000 BTU which is better than most camping stoves, which only go up to 8000 or so. The butane canisters may be hard to find but many Asian stores sell them, or you can find them around camping gear. It doesn't need to be that brand necessarily but you'll want something that has around 12000 BTU since you won't get nearly as good heat for stir frying on weaker stoves.

https://www.amazon.com/Solo-Stove-Lite-Compact-Backpacking/dp/B007DBD3IU Obviously breaks the "non-flame" parameter, but don't quite know what you're looking. I use this backpacking, but if youre outdoors and have twigs and what-not available, this'll work.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Bottle-Propane-Stove-Green/dp/B0009PUR5E

Look for camping gear. Camping stuff is compact and made to be moved around a lot. The #1 thing I'd recommend is a bottle top propane stove. All you need is one pot and you can boil water for noodles and rice and can cook soups and reheat liquidy things. If you also bring a skillet, you can cook even more stuff!

There's lots of camping/backpacking sites out there with meal ideas. The general theme is dry ingredients that just need to be thrown together and boiled. There are even pre-made freeze dried meals made specifically for backpacking, but they probably won't meet the cheap criteria.

I just want to throw out that I've been using Axiom panniers and racks for years and have yet to have a problem. They are a bit less expensive (especially the racks). But i do know that ortlieb have a great reputation so if you have the money to burn go for it. I wouldnt worry about anti-theft devices on the pro models. If you really want to be safe, take your bags with you or get a small cable lock and loop it through your bags when you lock up your bike.

As far as food, I hate carrying cooking supplies. So the only thing i bring on my trips are a small gas stove like the msr pocket rocket for boiling water. then i just pour it into freeze dried meal bags like these and eat it out of that. One large pouch can feed two people. during the day i eat granola bars, bananas, and other dry quick food.

be very mindful of how you pack things. i keep clothes and things i need to keep dry near the bottom of my panniers and things like tents and jackets near the top. stuff you'll want immediately when it starts raining need to be accessible without pulling out things you dont want to get wet.

EDIT: Get fenders. fenders will keep mud and water from getting all over your shit, your bike, and yourself. and clean your bike often. it will keep things moving reliably and efficiently. I'm from new england and we get quite a bit of shitty weather around here and deal with shitty roads. bike maintenance is key when you're stressing it all day long. lube your chain often. also, iodine pills. this will allow you to fill your water bottle wherever you find a stream.

Sounds to me like a normal Pyrex beaker would work just fine.

If you don't have a Bunsen burner available--not good practice to go heating chemicals on your stove--you can either get a small hot plate, or some kind of small gas burner, like a backpacker's stove (what I use).

I've had an MSR Pocket Rocket for about 5 years.

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE

The fuel canisters cost about $5, last quite a while if used conservatively and are able to be found everywhere.

I use an alcohol stove. The one I have is made by these guys from those heavy aluminum beer bottles. It will not crush easily and comes with a windscreen. You could just make your own though.

There are other companies who make alcohol stoves and even sell them on Amazon.

Lots of people like Esbit stoves but the fuel is harder to come by.

For a canister stoves I think UL folks go with the MSR Pocket Rocket but I am not sure because I haven't used one in over 8 years.

Add an alcohol stove, bottle of denatured alcohol, cook kit, and pot stand.

Ditch the water packets and get a Klean Kanteen bottle. Keep it filled with water, and add another non-crushable container for extra water.

Now you can make hot tea, hot chocolate, coffee, grits, oatmeal, etc.

Add a hooded blanket tarp thing, some paracord, and a surplus military wool blanket. Maybe some cheap trekking poles or bamboo garden poles. Now you have a poncho and shelter! Add a few "contractor grade" trash bags just in case.

Add a pair of wool socks and comfortable shoes.

Extra batteries for the flashlight.

Safety vest or some kind of reflective thing.

PS: those lifeboat rations taste awful

Water System:

-Sawyer Micro Squeeze w/ adaptor for back flushing
($45.40 on Amazon )

-2L Evernew Water Bag
($15.82 on Amazon )

-2 1L Smart Water Bottles ($5)

Cook Set:

-Toaks Titanium 900 ml pot
( $60.81 on Amazon )

-Light My Fire Spork
( $3.56 on Amazon )

Or, you could use a long handled spork to reach into dehydrated meal bags, e.g. Boundless Voyage, Toaks, Snow Peak, etc (More Expensive)

A cheap disposable option is a Dairy Queen large spoon if you don’t require a fork.

-Optional hot drink mug: GSI Infinity Backpackers Mug
( $11.09 on Amazon )

Stove:

Alcohol Options:

• DIY cat stove with integrated pot holder (go on YouTube)
  
  -Trangia or Titanium alcohol stove e.g. Vargo Triad
  
  -Make a DIY beer can or aluminum flashing windscreen (YouTube)
  
  [You need to make sure that the alcohol stove has a snuffer cap if a fire ban is in effect]
  
  [If you use an alcohol stove, you will need a leakproof fuel bottle- check MEC, Litesmith, or use an old fuel stabilizer bottle]
  
  [In Canada, good alcohol fuels are Methyl Hydrate and Captain Phab Marine Stove Fuel]
  
  Gas Stoves:
  
  I don’t use a gas stove, however, here are a few I have heard of that are more affordable.
  
  
• MSR Pocket Rocket 2
  ($59.95 on Amazon )
  
  
• BRS Titanium Burner
  ($20.93 on Amazon )
  
  

I have one of these mil surplus sets, the stand works perfectly as a windscreen & pot holder, I use it with a trangia burner and this snow peak cookset. I bought an extra silicon bowl and a few cups and can stuff 2 bowls and 4 cups in the cookset & it still fits in the nylon mesh bag it comes with.

For the trangia stove, it boils water quite fast with this setup, you can adjust the flame, and it has a screw on lid so you can save unused fuel, well worth the $15.

Our trailer has an oven. But even before that, we had a camping oven that ran off green propane cylinders. Camp Oven

https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG

You can buy it here, off Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0013LLSZG?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_pd_title

I was looking for these specifically for RVs and the appropriate ones are over $1000!! I'm not spending that kind money for a stove so I got this camp stove which is exactly the same design as the professional ones.
I've added a safety valve so I close the gas evertime I'm not cooking.
Besides I will open the windows and emergency exit on the roof when I am.

Haven't used it yet just works like a charm from my quick test run.
See here for my IG story on it:
https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE3OTk1Nzc3ODU1MDkxMzUx/?utm_source=ig_story_highlights_share&igshid=s8coijb8138r

Wow. Yea I can see that.

Someone should write a book; a street survival nutrition guide. It's not easy to buy the kind of food that works best in those situations from regular grocery stores.

Edit: we've been fly fishing out in the middle of nowhere for so long I can cook a surprising amount of stuff on this little stove the size of a pack of cigarettes, called an Esbit stove. Once you have the little stove, moreover, which costs about $10, the solid fuel pellets are really cheap. I could write an Esbit stove healthy field cooking cookbook.

Pot $12 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004Z10XTI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_ZcYNyb0J85PK0

Folding stove and fuel $10 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001C1UGVO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_phYNybV3AVZ1B

Not throwing money at a deceptive half assed kickstarter $ !=

Edit: and look a huge kit on sale https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GG5FXHW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_zkYNybKKJMJZR

Pretty sure this is a portable camp stove. You would maybe soak that pad in alcohol and set a pot on top. Something similar to this: https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1539965937&sr=8-14&keywords=camp+stove+folding

I just recently went on my first backpacking trip. It was just an overnight trip, but I used this: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO

It was the cheapest (10 dollars including enough fuel for a day or two), smallest stove I could find, it was rated well and I got free shipping. After using it, I was very happy with it. I used it to boil water for coffee, and I cooked hotdogs and chili with it as well.

I was literally just using it on the ground (and I only brought a small lantern and some glow-sticks with me for light. I was able to cook on it in the dark nonetheless. Super easy and effective.

If I decide to go on longer trips, I might get something bigger, but then again I might not. It's pretty awesome.

The only downside is that the fuel has a bad odor, and you have to wash your hands (or wear gloves) when handling it. Simple problem to fix though. Just don't sit downwind of it and keep your food covered if possible.

Over the past year I've been piecing together camping gear. I ultimately plan on doing backpacking trips once I become a more experienced camper, and graduate college. Growing up, I went camping frequently but never really did any backpacking or primitive camping where you have to hike to the campsite - my dad always took us to the campsites you can drive up to. My friend, who boasts about the camping etiquette and survival skills he learned in boy scouts, justly criticizes my experience camping - which is limited to campsites that don't require you to pack light and have easy access to water (and restrooms). For example, I've never had the opportunity of digging a hole to shit in. Do I just dig a hole with my hands? Do I need to bring a shovel? How much toilet paper do I need to bring for a 2-3 day trip? I know I have to bring the used paper with me, so how do you recommend carrying trash in general?

Things like this I figure I'd learn overtime. And I do plan on pacing myself; I'm going to work my way up from 1-2 day trips to 2-3 day trips to 4-5 day trips, and ultimately something like the Appalachian Trail. My favorite place to go camping is Big Bend National Park, and there's a 2-3 day trip I'd like to do sometime this year.

I guess my main questions are:

1. How would you recommend starting off? Would a couple of 2-3 day backpacking trips, with my friend, be a good place to start?
   
2. Is my gear sufficient? Is there anything I'm missing?
   
3. Any general tips, book or gear suggestions.
   
   Here's a list of my gear:
   
   

• REI Passage 2 Tent
  
• Osprey Volt 75 Backpack w/ bladder
  
• Marmot Trestles 30 Sleeping Bag and a sleeping pad
  
• Hammock (which I think, if i'm using a tent, would make for a great pillow when it's folded up)
  
• Mess Kit and utensils
  
• Fuel Tablet Camping Stove
  
• Rechargeable flashlight
  
• A small, rechargeable lantern
  
• 2 multi-tool pliers - one big, one small
  
• 2 knifes
  
• First aid kit
  
  Also, I plan on getting a pair of hiking boots this summer. Any suggestions?
  
  edit: grammar

Looks VERY similar, no? That one costs half as much as yours.

Also, this one weighs 11.5 grams and costs 1/4 as much as yours.

My set-up may be more ultralight than you want, but my entire cook kit including stove and fuel for 3 days is only 8oz.

I use this Esbit stove: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Stove-ti-Titanium-Stove/dp/B002AQET2C/

The biggest downside is that Esbit tabs are about 50 cents each so that'll add up over 5 months. Jetboils and pocket rockets are great too. Or you could consider a DIY alcohol stove with a Caldera Cone. Alcohol stoves are really cheap for fuel and you can get it at most grocery stores and corner markets.

1500 watts - are you joking? I suppose if you want to also purchase a dedicated portable generator for this thing you could use it.... or you could just build a cheap portable wood burning stove using everyday items. If you aren't mechanically inclined, I suppose you could just buy one here for less than half of the electric heater AND you can use it for cooking as well as staying warm.

I'd tend to stay away from anything that draws more energy than you can generate yourself without relying on the grid (which the NSA has just determined that China could disable quickly and remotely through cyber attacks).

There can be quite a huge difference in pricing between stuff you know came from China and stuff that has a brand name that came from China. The function is the same, the materials are largely the same. The difference is the brand name mark-up. At that price I'd buy one just to test it.

It just so happened that a lot of Eureka stuff was on sale at the time I was shopping, so I look like something of a fanboy.

• [Eureka Apex 3XT Tent] (http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-Apex-3XT-Tent-sleeps/dp/B0043HM5RC) - It's a three man tent, but I'm a big guy and I wanted extra room. Camping off the bike makes the slightly heavier weight from a 3 man tent not a big deal, it compresses down pretty small anyway. Gives me plenty of room to bring all my gear inside the tent at night, and if the wife decides to go camp with me there will be room for us both without any problem.
  
  
• [Eureka Sandstone 45F Rectangular Sleeping Bag] (http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-Sandstone-45-Degree-Rectangular-Sleeping/dp/B006MQAWS6) - Synthetic bag, one for me and one for my wife. Nothing really fancy about it other than that they are mate-able to each other we want to get extra snuggle-y on a trip.
  
  
• [Eureka Camp Pillow] (http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-2641201-Camp-Pillow/dp/B004BZX7PK) - Some people say use a stuff sack with your dirty clothes, I say I don't want to smell funky multiple day old swamp ass while I'm trying to sleep. I guess I could use clean clothes, but meh..
  
  
• [Exped SynMat Basic 7] (http://www.amazon.com/Exped-SynMat-Sleeping-Terracotta-Long/dp/B0018MC976) - Air mattress. My theory is that if you don't get at least some restful sleep, you will be miserable the next day. Packs down very small, provides comfort and insulation from the ground.
  
  
• [Sea to Summit eVent 30L Compression Dry Sack] (http://www.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-eVent-Compression-Medium/dp/B000NQQ5A0) - I have multiples of this item. I pack the tent, rainfly and groundcover all in one, and it all compresses down to around 12x6 inches. Sleeping bag goes into another, compresses down to about 12x12 inches.
  
  
• [Kwik Tek Dry Pak 70L Waterproof Duffel Bag] (http://www.amazon.com/DP-D1BK-Waterproof-Duffel-Black-Large/dp/B00644OLLU) - Cooking gear, sleeping equipment, and other stuff I don't put in the panniers goes in here, and then the bag is strapped across the pillion seat with RocStraps. If it's a two up trip, the 52L Givi comes off the back of the bike, and the 70L Dry Pak is replaced by a 110L Dry Pak so there is enough room to stash the wife's gear as well.
  
  
• [Sea to Summit DryLite Towel] (http://www.amazon.com/Sea-to-Summit-DryLite-Towel/dp/B000OPPAQK) - Small and Extra Small. Great for drying off after getting caught in the rain, or after a shower at the campsite. They dry fast too.
  
  
• [Jetboil Zip] (http://www.amazon.com/Jetboil-Zip-Cooking-System-Black/dp/B004UVPDUM) cooking system - Boils 16oz of water in about 2.5 minutes. My breakfast is instant oatmeal and instant coffee/hot chocolate, so this takes care of both very quickly. The Jetboil also makes it super easy to make things like instant mashed potatoes for dinner.
  
  
• [Trangia 27-5] (http://www.trangia.se/english/2913.trangia_stoves.html) Ultralight Aluminium Cookset with add on 2.5L pot - Alcohol stove set with frying pan, two 1L pots and one 2.5 pot. For dinner I can cook up a steak, some soup or stew, pasta/rice sides (think of stuff like [this] (http://www.bearcreekcountrykitchens.com/index.php) and [this] (http://www.knorr.com/product/category/245876/pasta-sides). I don't worry about packing and carrying an entire trip's worth of food, I stop at a grocery store, and get a couple days worth of stuff. If I want fresh meat, I swing by a store immediately before hitting the campsite. Arrive, set up, cook.
  
  
• 12oz plastic cups - I carry a couple of [these] (http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___60048).
  
  
• Spork - Fork, spoon, and something resembling a knife [all in one] (http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___87620)
  
  
• Leatherman Blast - bring a multitool, you will be glad you did.
  
  
• A headlamp and a good flashlight are critical. I like [these small Black Diamond orbit lanterns] (http://www.rei.com/product/807910/black-diamond-orbit-lantern) too.
  

Jet Boil Zip is $39.99 plus shipping on amazon! Just got one for myself, it came out to ~$45 total which is way better than the $70 I was gonna to pay for it. :)

Not really an answer to your question, but this does not have a coil and is not electrical: https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484344572&sr=8-2&keywords=hot+pot+burner

They make indoor gas stoves. It doesn't have to be for camping. I mean, regular kitchen gas stoves use propane or other type of natural gas.

This is indoor rated and gas canisters are $2 and run for 2 to 8 hours

Check out an Iwatani - http://smile.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1426531370&sr=1-1&keywords=iwatani+butane+burner. $35 gets you a shitload of power

Iwatani Corporation of America ZA-3HP Portable Butane Stove Burner https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_jLZaBbY4A6G6E

You could consider the BRS-3000T stove instead of the MicroRocket -- it's cheaper and lighter.

For the pot consider the SnowPeak Trek 700 -- I have one and it fits a canister well.

I have a bunch of them - MSR pocket rocket, Kovea Titanium stove, 2 cheap ones off Amazon. Only difference is the name brand ones feel more solid. If I could buy and try another, it would be the BRS stove, http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U


I also use the Kovea LPG adaptor so I can use propane cans with these stoves when car camping: http://www.amazon.com/Kovea-LPG-Adaptor-Small-Silver/dp/B00CFPISZW


Get one without an igniter, as they all go bad sooner or later. Just bring a lighter to light the gas.

As a tip, just don't bring alcohol stove on the PCT. Fire bans are everywhere and you don't want to be that guy who sets the trail on fire.

Get the BRS-3000t and ~650ml titanium pot, like Toaks 650ml pot or Evernew Ultralight Deep pot.

More than likely you'll go stoveless at some point.

Honestly, if weight is priority, I would just grab a BRS stove. Test it a couple of times, and if there are issues, buy another.


I'm not keen on the waste of doing this, but I've got one and it has been working perfectly over the course of half a year or so. Just keep in mind that it won't perform as well in wind relative to your candidates. But boy is it tiny.

I know you wanted the rubberized handles, but that limits your options significantly. I'd say apply the rubber yourself with a tool handle dip.
BRS Stove - $16
Snow Peak Trek 900 - $45
Rustoleum Grip Dip $17.50

That leaves a solid $10. You can have them pick you up a canister or two!
I've been using both the BRS Stove and Snow Peak Trek 900 and they both work great. Now, if you have a windy situation, you may need to build a windscreen or get a MSR Pocket Rocket.

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• For around $50 you could get a Toaks 700ml pot ($40, 2.3 oz) and a BRS stove ($15, 1oz) and drop about 1lb.
  
  
• For around $200 you could get a 20 degree HG Econ Burrow quilt and save 2.5lb (wide for ground sleeper).
  
  
• Your big 3 are heavy in general but as you stated you aren't really to invest heavily in that.
  
  
• I'd personally drop the solar panel and kindle and save another pound.
  
  
• I'd add bug spray if you do not have it. And I assume you are probably taking a phone.
  
  
• There are a few others areas like clothing that could be lighter, but if took the above suggestions you could drop 4.5 lbs for about $250

So is propane the best for weight right now besides alcohol? I love my white gas! Is this the stove you have for solo? https://www.amazon.ca/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

I'm leaving for my solo wct in two days, Tuesday May 7!

The BRS is a cheap lightweight stove.

https://www.amazon.com/Ubens-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

The brs 3000 also gets a lot of mentions for inexpensive backpacking stoves.

I will say this though, it is nice to have a quality backpacking stove like the pocket rocket 2. I have both the etekcity and the pocket rocket. The pocket rocket feels sturdier and has bigger arms. Here is a photo of the same pot on the PR and etekcity. Those little arms on the etekcity just kind of flop back and forth too. I dont have any experience with the brs 3000 though

Stove: BSR Ultralight stove

Spoon: Toaks Ti Long handle

Pot: Toaks Ti 750ml

Fire: Bic Mini

Seasoning: Tabasco in 30ml plastic dripper bottle

Water bottle: Smart Water 1L (x2)

Purification: Boil (winter) Sawyer Squeeze (other 3 seasons)

Meals: Mountain House, Packit Gourmet, SPAM singles, trail mix

I eat right out of the bag for the dehydrated meals

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/BRS-Outdoor-Lightweight-Stove-Titanium-alloy-Burner-Camping-Stove-BRS-3000T/2042933370.html non mobile link

Also amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NNMF70U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2FVB70KDJE667

Maybe he means the BRS stove on Amazon that sells for like 13-15$
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNMF70U/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1478337502&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=brs+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=31OzI0vXTFL&ref=plSrch

For 3 season, mostly fair weather, UK & European camping I am totally happy using my Duplex, so I would go with that. You just have to accept that condensation is a mostly daily management issue - no biggie!

I would look at halving your combined rainwear weight - the Montbell Versalite jacket and pants are good options that will get you under 300g for the both of them.

I would also look at the 2018/19 Montbell Exlite Anorak (if you can still get hold of one) - despite having a hood it is lighter than the Ghost Whisperer hoodless and it’s warmer by most accounts than the hooded GW too.

Personally I would go with an Evernew 900ml tall pot with lid at 95g (lighter than the Toaks and you can boil enough for 2 people’s dehydrated meals when you need to). I would also go against this sub’s Windmaster-love and choose instead a Firemaple stove for half the weight, or even a BRS at 1/4 the weight. There are lighter ways to master the wind than an 85g stove! (Use your tent vestibule or arrange your pack and some rocks as a wind-break)

Evernew 900

Firemaple FMS300T

Firemaple FMS116T

BRS 3000T

Edit: if you are interested in the Nitecore NU25 you can do a version of the Litesmith Mod yourself, as per this video:
NU25 Headband Mod

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XNLSNFR/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_wii7AbZXTEPG0

This stove is great. I’ve been using it for a few months now. It weighs almost nothing and performs quite well boiling 2 cups of water in under 3 minutes. Plus, it’s cheap. If it isn’t for you, then you’re only out $20.

As a backpacker I think I'm a lifer with the Kovea Spider. Small, light and powerful with great simmer control. It's also a remote canister stove. Works great at elevation and sub-freezing temps. Turn the canister over and it burns liquid instead of gas. You do need a windscreen but you can make one out of an aluminum baking pan for about a buck.

https://www.amazon.com/Kovea-Spider-Stove-Small-Silver/dp/B00CFPIPKA

I believe Kovea has a stove with a remote canister. More importantly, it has a preheater that allows the remote canister to be flipped over.

If you can spend more money, there's a new version of the Whisperlite that supports remote isobutane canisters as well as gas and kerosene, and can probably do those heavy green propane canisters with a Kovea adapter.

Edit: Found the stove. It's the Kovea Spider. In case you don't already know, the benefit of using a stove with an inverted canister is that you can burn the liquid butane first while retaining the propane in the canister to provide pressure.

Cooking over a stove is much easier than on a fire, you have a lot more control over what and how hot you can cook, saying that I'm often known to bring steaks on the first night of a trip and cook them on the fire.

Assuming you're talking about hiking trips, if you're after something thats cheap and will do the trick there's this $9 stove on Amazon there's also the BRS3000T which IMO is a better stove.

Cookware is going to depend on what you're wanting to cook

Currently my setup is the BRS-3000T, TOAKS Ti Light 650mL titanium pot, Sea to Summit Long Spoon and a little foil windshield. I also have a Jetboil Minimo, MSR Whisperlite International too, but for just starting out I wouldn't go with either of those.

Someone here in r/ultralight said the BRS 3000 simmers well. I have one but have not tried it. However, for $16 it might be worth buying and trying out yourself.

Titanium mug and a mini gas burner? Then buy your own butane in Reykjavik.

The smallest 100g canister will be good for 15-20 cups of smoking hot coffee.

What about these?

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U

https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1511994082&sr=1-3&keywords=backpacking+stove

Olicamp mug/pot $12, 4oz weight, 20oz capacity

BRS 3000T Burner $15, 25g. It really is an amazing little micro stove.

Jetboil Flash LID This lid fits the Olicamp mug/pot perfectly! $6, plus shipping. About 1oz

A 100g canister fits perfectly inside, plus the BRS and a bic. The jetboil lid fits securely and keeps everything together.

Ditch the canteen.. carry your water in 1L and/or 750ml smartwater/lifewater bottles. Seriously. It’s durable, and weighs significantly less.

Last year I picked up this stove. Light as all getout and works well.

I also purchased zelph's fancee feast stove, but have yet to try it out at high elevation. This guy swears by his custom one though.

In that case, I'd recommend going as light-weight as you can. A set like the one in the photo will be fine for car camping, but too heavy for backpacking, especially multi-day. Here's what I take when backpacking:

Toaks titanium 700ml pot

BRS ultralight gas stove

Toaks titanium folding spork

And a 4 or 8oz gas canister like this one, depending on how long I'll be going for. Don't get the gas canisters online though, get them at a camping or outdoors store, they'll be cheaper.

Honestly, that's all I need for solo backpacking. If you're backpacking with other people, you would maybe need a bigger pot (like 800 or 900ml), but I prefer to use the smaller one and make batches of food if need be. If I'm going car camping, I can bring more stuff as needed (cups, mugs, bowls, etc).

You don't need to get the exact items I have, but basically just ask for a simple, ideally ultralight gas canister stove, cooking pot (ideally titanium, not stainless steel), and a lightweight spork.

I also don't think you need tupperware unless you're car camping. When I backpack, I bring primarily dried foods that require not much cooking (asian style noodles, oatmeal, couscous, etc), and augment with some packaged tuna or chicken (in a bag, not a can) and spices. You can browse through /r/trailmeals for inspiration on cooking while camping.

Ever heard of the BRS 3000T?

I've had good luck with Toaks products. You can hold the handle without it being too hot, even with boiling water. This should fill your requirements:

https://www.toaksoutdoor.com/collections/pot95/products/pot-550-l

For a stove I use this popular item:

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U

Super light, heats water up just fine.

Out of convenience, I usually use an artisan instant coffee like Voila.

If I really want actual coffee grounds, I’ll bring the grounds in a plastic bag and use a tea strainer. It works well. Just get water near boil, drop in tea strainer with grounds, lightly stir. This is the exact one I use: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075K57B73/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_UUA6BbJCMDBJN

As for a stove, I use this ridiculously light and cheap Chinese stove. Quantity is not great but it’s dirt cheap and I’ve never had one show up not functional. Some will leak gas for an instant when you screw the stove on (more than you’d expect), some don’t. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_2VA6BbGGSBA02

A few items that look heavy:

• compressible pillow @ 9oz is super heavy, but if it's the only thing that will help you sleep that's ok (-6oz for inflatable)
  
• could use a BRS stove that's lighter, but the pocket rocket is fine (-2oz)
  
• could go to a smaller power bank (6700mAh around 4oz) to save 2oz or so
  
  Also, as I reiterate to everyone, lyme disease is VERY rampant in the northeast. Don't by shy about packing more DEET or picaridin. Soak all of your clothes in permethrin before the trip, particularly socks.

This ultralight canister stove has been making the rounds lately, I've been pretty impressed with it. http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

Hey, you can also make quite a bit of your own gear if you're feeling up to the challenge. Check out /r/myog for more information about that.

Fancy, fold up cook kits can run you $20 to $70 or more, plus fuel, but you can also make your own cook kits real easily from soda cans, cat food cans, and grease pots. You can get one from Walmart for $7, and an aluminum pot handle from any outdoors store for a couple of bucks. Here's a basic one for $4, but you can find them for $2, too. You can also use a folded bit of aluminum foil as a wind break around your stove.

The best part about those is not only are they light and cheap to replace, but your can stove and your aluminum handle should fit neatly inside your grease pot. Depending on how tall you made your windbreak, you might be able to fit it inside your pot, too. If not, it's just aluminum foil; it'll fold up.

It really depends on what your budget and your conditions are. You can grab a cheap, fairly light tent for $50 or $60. (If you want to go crazy cheap, there are $20 tents that you can set up between two trees or support with trekking poles.)

I wouldn't suggest depending on a cheap tent for the long term, but use them as something you can test out, beat up, and not be too heartbroken over. They're just the basics.

Woot.com often has sales on camping gear, including backpacks, light blankets, sleeping bags, and hammocks. Decent backpacking hammocks usually run about $15 to $25 online, don't stress about getting one that's really expensive and has a lot of features. They're pretty much all parachute hammocks. Worry about investing in the expensive stuff later.

My advice, though? Don't stress about your gear at first. Get some cheap starter gear, read about it, test it, make a plan. Drop on by /r/trailmeals and find some simple recipes that you like. Find a nice state park nearby and look at their maps. Find a camp site and see what's there: Do you have trees available for hammocks? Is there a fire pit already set up? Do you have wood available for fuel? (You probably won't need much more than your cook pot and utensils if your campsite has a firepit with a grill, for example.)

Make your plan and execute it. Let people know where you're going, and what you're up to. Invite a friend if you can. Put your comfy shoes on, toss your crap in a backpack, go out for a weekend, and test your gear. Get some experience with your new stuff, see what works for you and what doesn't. Learn where you want to focus if you want to shed weight, and check your reviews. Go to places like REI: they'll often let you see or set up any tent you're interested in, in advance, so you can check out how easy or how difficult it might be on the trail, in the dark. That last part's important. You can have the fanciest tent in the world, but it doesn't mean a hill of beans if you can't set it up in the dark. (Because at some point, you will be setting up your tent in the dark, in the rain, in some sort of adverse conditions. It happens. Be prepared.)

Practice with your gear, learn your gear. Learn your limits and your preferences.
Knowledge is easy to acquire, useful to have, and doesn't weigh anything, so pack a lot of it.

You're gonna want to get that experience on your cheap stuff, so you can learn and make mistakes without ruining some high-end piece of kit that's really gonna cost you. Get your experience in and add the expensive, fancier stuff as you go. I like to focus on pack, shelter, and shoes. They're going to be your main sources of weight and your big comfort items. Bad shoes and ill-fitting packs hurt. Insufficient shelters suck. Upgrading those early on, or starting with some mid-tier gear if you can afford it, is handy.

And if you decide that maybe this isn't for you, that's okay, too. You can back out without having dropped several thousand dollars on all the latest gear. It's easy to spend hundreds on fancy gear. Try to avoid falling into that trap.

It's probably ultralight heresy, but I often bring a cheap paperback book with me. Sure, it's sort of heavy for a luxury item that I don't need, and if it falls in a creek then my book is destroyed; I get that. However, for me, you can't beat hanging out in a comfy hammock under the trees with a good book. That serenity is why I go hiking and backpacking in the first place.

I also tell myself that if things ever go incredibly sour, a cheap book or a trail journal is also a good source of tinder and toilet paper. Not that I would do such things, but if I was ever stranded somewhere and I had to, the option is there. Similarly, you can signal other hikers or other people in your party if you have a trail journal - just pull out a page and leave a note for them.

Oh, and it's also wise to bring a couple of trash bags along with you. Get the big, kitchen sized ones.

They're great for:

| | | |
|:--:|:--:|:--:|
| holding trash | separating wet clothes | good laundry bags |
| dirty shoe mat | tent hole repair | emergency ponchos |
| emergency pack covers | food bag | extra warmth |

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Oh, and remember the simple principles:

Pack it in, pack it out. - Any gear (or people) you bring, you're responsible for getting it (or them) back out.

Leave no trace. - You have a responsibility to leave your campsite as you found it, or better than you found it. Any trash you bring, you pack it right back out with you. If someone before you has been an asshole and has left a bunch of trash all over the campsite, try to clean it up, even if you can't pack it all out.

Hike your own hike. - This means that you can have all the excellent advice in the world, but how you do your hike is up to you. No one else can tell you how to live your life, and if you want to carry a little extra weight for a luxury item, or if you prefer a bit of kit that isn't quite in vogue this season, or if you can't afford the high-end, cuben fiber this or that, don't stress about it. You're out there to enjoy yourself, focus on that.

Be prepared. - This is the Boy Scout motto. Things will happen that you're not going to expect. Don't go overboard and don't get too crazy about it, but have a plan and know how to execute it. Learn the area you'll be at and know what sorts of conditions to expect. If you get hurt, know who you can call. If you're in a state or national park, those phone numbers are always on the freebie trail maps they provide - grab one at the ranger station or the trail head and keep it with you or keep a photo of it on your phone. Are you going to need extra batteries? Is your phone going to have service? If you can, sign up for a first aid course or a trail-specific first aid course. That's information you'll want to know if you ever need it.

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This stove is my pick. Uses canister fuel, very fast boiling time (about 3 minutes, but will vary by altitude) and only weighs 25g with an adjustable flame. I pair it with the toaks light 550mL pot.

That said, it's pretty much only suitable for boiling water. If you're car camping, you could still use it to make poached eggs or soups if you have the right ingredients. Cooking food inside a plastic bag is also a great option that allows you to get more creative.

I've got a chinese knockoff basically identical to this one, but Lixada or one of the other brands.

Works great, burns hot and perfectly uniformly, keeps the pot stable, collapses down and shakes out easily, built well enough, the mesh bag is fine enough to contain the ash dust but not great. Only issue is the folding pot stand bits are pretty stiff to open, and the stamped holes in the bottom aren't perfectly evenly spaced for some reason, but neither is a deal breaker for the price.

Innanzitutto bushcraft è un termine inglese che in italiano si traduce con "campeggio abusivo"

Io lo faccio (massimo due giorni, con record di tre, poi mi serve una doccia). l'ho fatto pure in mezzo alla neve, cosa che non raccomando a nessuno credevo di dovermi amputare i mignolini dei piedi.

La cosa più complicata è trovare un posto dove puoi accendere un fuoco. O meglio il posto non esiste perché in Italia è illegale praticamente ovunque che io sappia, devi trovare un posto dove nessuno ti becca. Allo stesso modo dormire in un posto a caso è di solito illegale, in certe regioni è legale dormire solo una notte a patto di non sporcare (ma per questo non serve una legge giusto?)

Una volta trovato il posto è tutto in discesa, vai la, monti la tenda, accendi il fuoco, fai bollire l'acqua per il caffè, cucini la fettina di carne sulla fiamma... cose così.

Per cominciare fallo in estate e portati un accendino perché su you tube sembra facile accendere il fuoco con l'acciarino ma in realtà è tra le cose più frustranti che esistoni al mondo, e magari investi un po' di soldi per una cucinetta a legna tipo questa https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Camping-Stainless-Backpacking-Potable/dp/B0125U36Q2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1573723917&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A4150633011&s=outdoor-recreation&sr=1-1 perché cucinare sulla brace senza carbone o sulla fiamma potrebbe non riuscirti mentre con questa hai una cosa simile ad un fornello.

Prima di passare la notte fuori fai qualche giorno in cui vai la mattina e torni la sera per familiarizzare a capire se in effetti sei ok con il passare la notte (fa paura potresti non fare una bella esperienza)

Facendo le cose per gradi inizi a capire che equipaggiamento ti serve, per esempio io non saprei cosa farmene di una bussola ma ho scoperto che nel periodo autunnale ho bisogno di un coso di questi https://www.amazon.it/dd-tarp-Parasole-coperture-campeggio/s?k=dd+tarp&rh=n%3A3102065031 e poi ho scoperto che quel coso sostituiva egregiamente una tenda . Ma ripeto dipende da te sono cose soggettive.

Infine portati SEMPRE un cellulare con gps, se non ti piace l'idea tienilo spento ma portatelo sempre e comunque

You got er, man

Personally, I steer clear of stoves requiring you to bring fuel. Generally, I have fuel all around me.

So, I carry this out: https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Camping-Stainless-Backpacking-Potable/dp/B0125U36Q2

It's really nice, since it really runs well on scraps: Pine cones, twigs, leaves, etc etc. There are few places I go where I cannot at least obtain that on the ground.

It even handles wet fuel well, due to the rocket stove design.

I'm kind of a hippie and don't want any fossil fuels so we went for this on lightning sale at $13 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Gasifier wood stoves do the same thing without the electricity by recirculating hot air. They are much lighter and consume less fuel. I find the whole electrical part of it to be less natural and bad feng shui for camping.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2KDBGPI4VU5M7&psc=1

Thanks for the write up. Why not just use an alcohol or camp stove? Like one of these (much bigger cone): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MYGMO6M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qFZwDbF0YRDAQ

Cooking - Butane burner, no home should be without one. They're like $20 and the fuel is cheap to be used for a night or so. If you have a local asian supermaket, pick one up! If you don't amazon is your friend.

https://www.amazon.com/GS-1000-Portable-Automatic-Ignition-Carrying/dp/B01MYGMO6M/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1517847510&sr=8-5&keywords=butane+burner


This... this kind of takes care of cooking.

I'm sure that it doesn't need to be said, but candles are a thing that every household should have. It's not going to heat up a space dramatically, but in the cold of winter, every little bit helps.

https://simplefamilypreparedness.com/homemade-space-heater/

and... well, you have solar running around, a solar powered refrigerator/freezer could help offset food storage in the long term and takes the worry out of charging your communication tools like cellphones and what not. That and provides lights, which is always helpful!

https://www.amazon.com/GS-1000-Portable-Automatic-Ignition-Carrying/dp/B01MYGMO6M/

This butane stove works perfectly.

I use something like this if I don't have access to my electric burner. When I'm camping though I'll just place them in the heart of the campfire and use some long tongs to remove them.

This might be designed for backpacking, but the flame control is great and the fuels lasts for a brick. It's my go to hiking/camping stove.
https://www.amazon.com/MSR-PocketRocket-Stove-One-Size/dp/B01N5O7551/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499308812&sr=8-1&keywords=Rocket+stove+2

I have a BRS stove. SUPER light weight and CHEAP!

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https://www.amazon.com/BRS-BRS-3000T-Ultra-Light-Titanium-Miniature/dp/B06XNLSNFR/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=BD6QKQZEU2S7&keywords=brs+stove&qid=1563482800&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=BRS+%2Csporting%2C135&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1

Head over to /r/Ultralight

It's a super active sub, and while you say ultra light isn't a necessity, there's a ton of good reviews and pack loadouts you can check out. I recently picked up SnowPeak LightMax.. Others have been using the cheap BRS-3000T

For your stove, I would swap out the Pocket Rocket for the BRS 3000 titanium stove. I've used this stove for almost a year of casual backpacking and my buddy has used hers for almost a year of hard use (almost every day for 3 months). I love this stove! Price:$13-$20 on Amazon. Weight saved: 2oz
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XNLSNFR/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511720626&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=brs+titanium+stove&psc=1&smid=AYV8D5JVC1UF2

Definately use the smaller canister for your fuel. I went on a 6 day trip where I cooked breakfast and dinner every day, and I had fuel left over at the end of it.

Check out the Yama Mountain Gear pogies. They are cheap, and are definately gonna ventilate better than the rain mitts. (I've never used them, but I'm gonna get some)
https://www.yamamountaingear.com/pogies-rain/

The only other thing I might suggest would be to use the Anker 1300. You'd gain a little weight, but it gives you an extra phone charge. This is really only necessary if you'll be using your phone for maps or pictures.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00Z9QVE4Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1511720683&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=anker+13000&dpPl=1&dpID=314Zy5LrQ7L&ref=plSrch

There's nothing cool about it, it's an 18lb waste of space.

It has 132 square inches of grill top. This has nearly double the grill space if you have a family to feed, or if you are okay with smaller for 1-2 people? This is the standard go-to grill for camping

Does anyone have recommendations on the best pot(s) to bring backpacking? I'm looking for something that is light weight, durable, and will fit easily on my Coleman single burner propane stove
Edit: Coleman Bottle Top Propane Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kLcjzbZCYHCDA

Coleman Bottle Top Propane Stove,Green,6.62" H x 7.81" W x 7.75" L https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_hZxQBb3YGJQA2

This is what I have and it works great. Can be a bit of a pain (top heavy) with my huge cast iron but it's do-able. Works perfectly fine with my smaller more standard size cast iron. For the money it's hard to beat.

Ok you need a first aid kit because YOU NEVER KNOW and rocks are sharp.

You could also use FOOD, either in dehydrated form to cook with water on a camp burner, or in bar form.

HAVE FUN!

small camping stove

because being able to cook and boil water when the power goes out is amazing.

I have this one, which I recommend if you want to spend the extra $

sorry for huuuuuge links wtf edit: Thank you helpful mod!

I cook with one of these. Works great. takes up very little room and a $3 bottle of propane lasts me a couple weeks.

Memberships at truck stops don't really get you anything except a couple perks like free coffee after you spend so much money etc. If you fill on diesel, they give you a free shower but no go on regular fuel. I got a commercial card from pilot just by walking thru the 'trucker' door on the side and asking for a shower and telling them i didnt have a card. She gave me a commercial driver card (never asked for cdl) and put a free shower on for me.

Every time since then ive gone in and asked for a shower (prepared to pay) and given them my card they have given me a free one as a courtesy (not at the same one). Sometimes they ask if i filled up my truck today which i honestly reply no, i haven't filled up a truck today.

I pretty much lived at a pilot for a year, it was the kind that had a restaurant attached to it. I wouldn't advise abusing it like that, but i became close with the people who managed it from its opening day. But you can stay at any of them a night or two and they wont say anything. Of course as with staying at walmart, the right thing to do is buy supplies or food there if you stay. I bought a giant refillable mug and got a soda with it each time for $1.39.

You do not have to be a member to use the wifi, power or even sit and watch tv in some. They don't care. Some smaller truck stops do but not pilot or flying J. I heard loves is similar but i dont go there usually.

As someone who was in a similar situation as you, id advise scraping or begging/credit carding whatever to get 100 watts of solar ($164 kit + $90 29DC walmart battery + $20inverter) and a cooking setup in your rig asap. Your cost of living will plummet like a meteor after you can store and eat actual groceries.

This is a double-burner stove that comes highly recommended. I have a Coleman single-burner stove.

• Hose and regulator to run 20lb tanks on 1lb appliances
  
• Adapter to run 1lb tanks on 20lb appliances
  

Solid fuel stoves aren't anything new. The one you link there is insanely expensive. As an example, here's one for under $10.

As for other suitable camp stoves, there are plenty out there. I have a Jetboil Flash system that I've been quite happy with. It boils water extremely quickly and is nearly foolproof to use. The downside is that it's not the lightest stove out there.

I also own a MSR Pocket Rocket stove. It's less full-featured than other stoves, but it's very small and light. You also must have a pot to use with it.

Just to throw out some general outdoors stuff that he may enjoy/not already own: a headlamp if he enjoys camping or being outside at night, a Leatherman or other general purpose multi-tool, a decent set of hiking boots, a Camelbak or similar hydration backpack.

Ehh I'd be wary. You can find gear for cheap, you just have to do some searching. Looks like you've got plenty of time to do that, too. If you're not willing to commit to backpacking as a hobby just yet, don't worry about buying the $300 sleeping bag. I have a $40 one I got on Amazon and it works amazing if you run hot. We have a "guest" backpack that we got from Costco for $25 (yeah it's not the best engineered pack, but perfect for someone who only goes once every few years). Costco is also great for cheap, non-cotton clothing and socks. They should be getting all of that stuff in in a few weeks.

REI gear sales are the way to go for headlamps, pads and tents. This is a good mid-level cooking set for two, and the Pocket Rocket is a good quality, low price stove option.

Basically, for the cost to rent, you could get mostly set-up with mid-range gear you can keep. You've got the time to find the good deals, why not take advantage of it?

Also, super jealous. I've always wanted to go to Glacier N.P.

1. crash pad
   
   
2. shoes
   
3. chalk
   
4. brushes
   
5. 6 changes of clothes pair of shorts, pair of pants, 2 t-shirts, light jacket, sweatshirt/sweater, 2 pairs of socks, 2 pairs of underwear. You should be wearing about half of this going out. Just air out the clothes you aren't wearing, even better is to wash them in a stream.
   
6. toiletries Bar of soap, toothpaste, toothbrush, toilet paper, deodorant if you must
   
7. harness
   
8. belay device
   
9. warm hat and gloves not sure what the weather will be like but I reserve these for when it may snow
   
10. lots of socks
    
11. lounging shoes, hiking shoes running shoes are good for hiking if your pack isn't heavy >30lbs
    
12. sleeping bag
    
13. tent
    
14. pillow use your clothes
    
15. few 1 bowl
    
16. good calorie dense snacks such as nuts, jerky, dried fruit.
    
17. spork tool
    
18. pocket knife
    
19. phone charger. Is this solar or what? You're probably better off picking up a couple spare extended batteries and charging them up before you go, turn your phone off for most of the trip.
    
20. backpack, is this an additional pack? Or what all of this is in?
    
21. rain jacket $1 poncho
    
22. camera
    
23. book
    
    My additions:
    
    
24. headlamp and extra batteries
    
25. finger nail clippers, ibuprofin, antihistamines, wetnaps, purification tabs, bug spray
    
26. Ultralight towel
    
27. Ground mat
    
28. Camping pot
    
29. Water bottle, like the platypus
    
30. Medical tape
    
31. Firestarting kit: cotton balls soaked in vasoline, lighter, flint/steel
    
32. Whiskey
    
33. Dehydrated food of some sort.
    
    Bonus:
    
    
34. Weather radio
    
35. Camping stove
    
36. Hammock instead of a tent
    
    
    All in all I think you should keep your pack under 30lbs, especially if you are going to be doing some hiking.

I've met lots of people with dragonfly stoves - it presses home though why the whisperlite is named as such. the noise THE NOISE that a dragonfly makes..
this (control) is a real problem with whisperlites though - if i want to apply less heat than the lowest working setting (will vary with fuel type and quality), i tend to just hold the pan above the flame - practical enough when frying eggs, perhaps less so with more elaborate cuisine.

an inexpensive way to have a gentle simmer - buy (or better, make your own) spirit burner; very light and inexpensive so no biggie if you decide you don't like it. they don't have the grunt that petrol or gas stoves have, but i was impressed with how good they actually are. (something like www.amazon.co.uk/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-With-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970 or home-made - http://www.instructables.com/id/Can-Stove/ ) a spirit stove is hardly an encumbrance, so you can simmer your dinner on it, while making tea AT THE SAME TIME. (my god, the luxury)
a small bottle of ethanol is useful to have in any event, for lots of things, not least cleanly priming your whisperlite, or getting the f*cker to light at all if you're using paraffin or diesel.

Cat food can stove, denatured alcohol and ramen. Cost a fraction and provides sufficient calories. Add a few snickers in there for variation.


This is the best suggestion. Ramen can be eaten without cooking too. Throw in a few sauce packs from restaurants like soya, chili sauce, mayo, Vary up the Snickers with Tiger bars, granola bars, Cliff bars etc. A few packs of tuna and chicken in the foil packs. A few tins of Vienna sausage. 20-30 dollars should get you an awesome and compact 72 hour food kit. People tend to over think this.

Here is a better stove for 15 bucks ( I use 90% rubbing alcohol -- available at any pharmacy -- a lot for less than five dollars):

Trangia Spirit Burner

These things are cool and I've made a few but I've never had one that lasted long. I found a Trangia alcohol stove and it works the same but is made much stronger and has lasted me on all my hiking and camping trips for the last 5 years.

I think it would be worth it to spend a few dollars and have something that is durable and lasts as opposed to something that will fall apart quickly.

Get a small butane burner. I got mine at an Asian food store, but they're available at camping stores & restaurant supply places and of course on line eg. http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Butane-Stove-Camping-Burner/dp/B000RA8V1S
The butane comes in a can about the size of a can of spraypaint. I think they burn hotter than my propane camper stoves, they are super portable and can be used indoors if you need an extra burner. There is no problem with soot.

One of these butane burners comes in handy too. They're cheap and store away for times when you have no power or just need one more burner.

I bought this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1501074495&sr=1-2&keywords=camp+chef+oven
because I live on nachos and frozen pizzas and really wanted an oven. The van isn't finished yet but I've been using it in my house for the last few weeks and I love it.

If you're a baker, a propane oven is essential. Here's a good one if you don't already have one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_jQoczbS7HYC1N

Purchases so far:

• Esbit stove. Haven't had a chance to use it yet.
  
  
• Solar 5 Battery/Charger First use last weekend. Really love it so far.
  
  
• LMF "Spork"
  
  On the to-buy list, I'm hoping to get into ultralight + hammock camping for the summer:
  
  
• Exos 48 Pack
  
  
• Hennessy Hammock Expedition
  
  Also do you guys have any recommendations for a warm-weather sleeping bag? I live in GA so past April, the lows only get into the 60-70 range on a "cold" night. I'm almost leaning towards Hammock + just a warm camp blanket. Any thoughts?

I was thinking about this one.http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Titanium-Tablets/dp/B002AQET2C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1409165385&sr=8-3&keywords=esbit+stove

Stove: Check out this little guy: http://www.amazon.ca/Esbit-0-4-Ounce-Ultralight-Folding-Titanium/dp/B002AQET2C/ref=sr_1_7?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1405465089&sr=1-7&keywords=esbit+stove

I just got one for myself. I got it because it has stands that you can put a water bottle on top of, and it weighs something hideous like 12 grams.
I know MEC has a little titanium hockey puck-sized stove you fill with alcohol. I decided to stick to solid fuel because it won't leak, it's compact, and you can replace it with stuff you find in the field in a pinch.
MEC also has a neat folding wood stove. It's a titanium hexagon with folding leaves. I thought about that but it's pricey.


Food: I don't know if 120 calories per gram is even possible. That might be calories per ounce.
I have a few clif bars and some bounce energy balls. They're about 4 calories per gram.
Don't stress too much about about energy density. I'd say as long as it's in that neighbourhood and it will last a year, put it in. I was even considering a wheel of preserved brie and some crackers to class it up a bit, but realized it might not do so well in the hot trunk of a car.

Water: Every thread here that mentions the LifeStraw has at least one person chime in and say a Sawyer mini filter will do a better job for less. I have experience with neither, but I've got a Sawyer on the way from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002AQET2C/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1511804627&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=esbit+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=41iUVhh2HwL&ref=plSrch

I use one of these and love it.

If you want a cheap wood burning stove these are cheap as dirt but you have to buy more piping to use it indoors.

The camp stove came with a 5' 'chimney' with a spark arrestor at the top. We had to modify the tent by adding a stove jack just to one side of the peak of the tent. (In the first photo in the album you can just notice the stove pipe coming out next to the peak) Stove jacks are available to purchase and sew in, however we DYI'ed ours using a fiberglass fire blanket with silicone coating to hold the fibers together post cutting and while sewing in.

This

https://www.amazon.com/TMS-Portable-Military-Camping-Ice-fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486318287&sr=8-1&keywords=wood+burning+stove

Stove - Video
Mug
Pot, Pan set or this, depending on cooking preference.
Cutlery or this
Get fuel locally, such as the MSR butane mix for $5.99/8oz at Sports Authority
Total cost <$40

For cooking, it depends on what style of camping you're doing. The pocket rocket is great for backpacking because it compromises ease of use for size and weight. If you decide to go that route, you can get a similar stove for cheaper. They're also on eBay and sites like dealextreme, just search "3.9oz stove". But if you're car camping, where weight and size aren't big concerns, there are better stoves for that.

The standard Coleman 2-burner is great. The difference is that you get a more stable platform and two burners at the same time, to cook a more complex meal. Also, you don't have to be careful about shaking your pan or setting it down carefully (worrying about knocking over the a pocket rocket-style stove). The Coleman is expensive but anything like that would be good (something sturdy). You can also find them pretty often at garage sales, thrift stores, etc. That basic design has been around for decades, and they're simple and well built so they usually last.

Campfire cooking works, but it's hard to get the right heat in the right spot, control the heat level over time, fashion something to hold your pots/pans over it, etc.

This one, it's even less now.

My husband asked for a Jet Boil so he can heat water while in the field. (Military.) It was on sale at Amazon for $63 so done and done! I also got him an ON puffer vest since I absolutely love mine. :D

Edit: it's $60 now.

A pack stove is what you're looking for. They run on solid, liquid, or gas fuel and span a wide range of prices. Jetboil is a popular but pricey brand with many models. This means you will be carrying the stove, the fuel, and another container for the water.

If you're talking about a day hike then your best option is to get a good thermos just fill it up before you leave. It will be a lot less hassle, weigh less, and take up less space.

You want this. Cool grip pot. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004UVPDUM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_yvrQDb25ZNVWP

Food. These things are delicious. You just boil 2 cups of water and pour it in. let it sit for about 8-10 minutes and feast. I take them backpacking with a jetboil to boil the water and I eat like a king.

edit: formatting.

Ahh, awesome! I've made that recipe once and it was indeed delicious. If you haven't tried the chicken thigh version, IMO it's better: https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2015/04/pressure-cooker-fast-and-easy-chicken-chile-verde-recipe.html

edit to add: Have you considered a smaller burner like one of these? https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=portable+gas+cooktop&qid=1566313614&s=gateway&sr=8-3

We have a portable butane stove we can put on the dinner table like this. (This is also really handy for picnics and cookouts...or if you like hot pot, or shabu shabu, or fondue...very handy to have around)

And then we have something like this or this to put on the stove. Personally, I'd go to a korean grocery, as they'll probably sell something like this at a cheaper price.

You probably can get away with using a small pan too.

I wouldn't buy bottled marinade. The sauce is really easy to make, and there are plenty of recipes online.

Edit: note also that if you're planning on doing this inside there's going to be a bit of smoke. You may have to open windows! The 'smokeless' pan above isn't as smokeless as one would like.

Yeah while you don't need a jet engine to stir-fry, I do think gas is preferable to electric. People make do, but I personally just can't stand electric ranges.

This's the burner we use, more or less. It seems slightly different (perhaps even a bit stronger? When I converted our stove's KwH to BTUs I got something a shade over 9k but that one says its 12k), but it's the same company and the same model name.

If you opt for something a shade stronger like this one, 15k BTUs is like literally exactly what a Chinese home kitchen stove is. Smack a wok ring on that for a nice large round bottomed wok and you got basically an ideal set-up imo.

I would be concerned about what the torch is burning and what residues are landing on your steak. Someone mentioned using the torch to heat up the pan, then throw the steaks in. I like that better. Or better yet, buy a single gas burner. So you can use it outside to avoid the fire alarm then bring it in to finish on the oven.

Hope you like it! Sorry it's not more organized. If you're stir frying often, maybe consider getting one of these. Every Asian household has one and most Asian grocery stores sell them. They run on butane cans that are pretty cheap. Cooking on gas is next level even compared to induction. You can set a wok ring over it for some pretty serious stir fry capability for not that much money.

http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1419609313&sr=1-2

Regulating the temperature on an electric burner element is tricky. If you want to experience the joy of gas cooking, try a butane burner like this.

I have a gas range, but I also have a single burner induction cooktop I use occasionally when I don't want to heat up the house or for overflow cooking, and that also actually does a pretty great job of controlling temperature. It does require either cast iron or tri-ply cookware though.

I have one and I love it. It is super hot, sometimes even simmer (the lowest setting on mine) is a little hotter than I want it.

The fuel is easy to find at asian shops and super cheap (~50c a can), while lasting 45min-1.5 hours depending on how high you have the heat

The one real negative I see is cooking in high wind. There is no protection for the flame, but even then I've never had the flame go out.

Here is a link to the model I have.

I have one that is similar to this design and it boils water in about the same time as a small butane stove. Not needing any fuel (to carry) is great.

Another option is the Solo Stove, which can burn wood (similar to a rocket stove), a fuel tab, or (if you get the burner) alcohol/Heet. It can fit a Trangia burner or Solo makes it's own burner, which is very similar.

For my situation, I am wary of having to rely exclusively on liquid fuels, which can easily run out, and would prefer having the option of burning twigs efficiently to boil water.

The best way to use canisters in the snow is using a stove that has a preheat loop where you can invert the canister and push liquid fuel. Or get canisters that are a propane / butane mix. The jetboil branded canisters are a mix, MSR is a mix, and Coleman is a mix.

That said, warming the canister is smart. Know that the propane will burn off faster in cold temps leaving you with a butane canister eventually. :)

For a simple and fairly cheap remote stove with a preheat loop, check out the Kovea Spider - amazon

Good luck! Hiking, Skiing, or Snowshoeing in the cascades is AWESOME.

Check out the Windpro II. It has a wide flame, so it is good for "real" cooking. And a remote canister, which means that it is shorter (more stable) and you can fully enclose it with a windscreen.

http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/stoves/gourmet-cooking/windpro-ii/product

If the Windpro II is too pricey, check out the Kovea Spider. The flame isn't as wide as the Windpro, but it is still pretty good for a canister stove.

https://www.amazon.com/Kovea-Spider-Stove-Small-Silver/dp/B00CFPIPKA/

I always bring my super small portable bbq some charcoal, bacon, wraps, onions, peppers, and jerk sauce. Much nicer and cheaper than the food available on site.

It looks pretty flimsy :/ If I was to get a "lightweight" grill for camping I would just get this.

If you have the technology to tap threads, you could run your locking rods through to the outside of your square tubes and put wingnuts on the ends to hold everything together. If you don't have taps, you could replace these with threaded rods, but be careful of zinc coatings.

There is a commercial version called the Grilliput, but it's basically the same as what you've done. Probably lighter though.

Out here in the West, we cannot burn fires right now. Usually, however, this is not the case. I usually use a fire for all my heating needs. I stumbled across this and thought it innovative.

I use this. It is 12 oz, so a little heavy. However, I can cook and boil at the same time if need be.

This is also cool.

But if you really want to go super light, make sure your kettle or pot does not have any plastic or silicone parts, and that you have a towel or a glove to touch it when it is hot. Make a stick stand or a tripod with twine or cordage and hang the kettle or pot from it....or... take a flat rock and place in the middle of the fire, setting the pot on top of it. The latter method takes some technique and will require a lot of fire monitoring to keep the flames where they need to be. You also need a perfect rock.

https://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-9-Inch/dp/B000980JMW/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1526397301&sr=8-9&keywords=backpacking+grill

You also want a propane bottle-top stove and a coffee can for boiling water for coffee/tea/ramen. http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000004124-PefectFlow-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1405985344&sr=8-3&keywords=propane+camping+burners

It'll fit in your saddlebag easy, and will make mornings a LOT easier.

You could use the campfire, or you can use one of these too: http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000004124-PefectFlow-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394047763&sr=8-1&keywords=coleman+single+burner


As for best quicklights, most people will tend to agree that 3 Kings are the best Ql's

If I am at home I use the electric range (Coco coals of course) but when We go camping I take alone a Coleman single burner such as...(http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000004124-PefectFlow-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E)

Works great with some chicken wire around a square wood frame. I like it because I don't have to mind the coal constantly. Without the frame the coal can fall down by the burner and get it all dirty. Plus when your done, just remove the frame and you have a cooking stove.

Here's the link for the propane bottle on Amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/Coleman-Bottle-Top-Propane-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=asc_df_B0009PUR5E/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292995138886&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8925329916291428209&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001395&hvtargid=pla-382956361640&psc=1#

So... as a soylent consumer (I replace 1-2 meals per day with it), I would like to warn you about the awesome fiber and poop that it has. Not a big issue if you are camping at a place with a toilet... not so idea during a rain storm in a parking lot.

Another option is to carry some canned goods given that weight isn't as much of an issue. Canned soups and the like have a similar price to calorie and for most people will taste a lot better. If you want to splurge, a tub of mountain house freeze dried food would be lighter and taste pretty good. And on the cheap side, rice and beans is simple and filling.

For stove, depending on which type of canisters you want to deal with, there are some cheap stove options such as 1 and 2

Propane torch*
And it is something like this. I think if you only cared about the sear, a searzall propone torch attachment would be better, but I do a lot of my general cast iron cooking outside now, to avoid the smoke in the house as I don't have a fume hood style kitchen.

It would be similar to a gas style stove top, though I get more flames out of it I think.

Coleman Bottle Top Propane Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_EK4xzbJ426JWH

I have a Byer Moskito Traveller hammock, the mosquito net is a bit fragile and it's not as feature-packed as a Hennessy, but I lived in it for a month on a road trip and it was pretty nice. I also have a Marmot Limelight 3 tent that's pretty nice, though the rain fly condensates like crazy. A lot of my friends have REI tents they swear by.

Unless you're doing alpine stuff or big walls or other weight-conscious climbing, one of the single-burner Coleman stoves that screws on top of a propane tank is probably all you need. I have a Snowpeak Gigapower stove, and it's nice to have something so small for those one or two times I've really needed it, but most of the time the expensive fuel is a waste.

If you want to go small and light, I like my Big Agnes Insulated Air Core ground pad because it packs down smaller than a Nalgene, though it's a bit of a pain to inflate, so if you're moving around a lot it could be more work than you want to do. Even on a long, mobile climbing trip I'll usually only inflate it once a week or so, so I don't mind. A few friends have Therm-A-Rest and REI self-inflating ground pads in the 1.75" range that they're quite happy with.

I'm a fan of the Mountain Hardwear Pinole sleeping bag, it's pretty cheap, packs fairly small for a synthetic bag, and is rather toasty. I don't usually feel like dealing with down, so I can't speak to many of those bags.

This toatser has a setting for frozen bagels and that makes it my favorite. I love love keeping my bagels in the freezer because they last for so much longer. I buy a dozen at Panera, freeze them, and then have fresh tasting bagels every morning for weeks.

I love this "Now Showing" wall plaque for movie buffs. And I also love the home theatre sign!

I guess if I won this, and since rule 3 states to choose something, I would really, really want this $20 Coleman propane burner for camping.

Can you think of any reason why this would not work with creating starters? I'm trying to think of a way to safely support a 5L flask on their too. It looks like it would balance well enough

Edit: Actually, I may go this route instead...looks like it would balance better. Or this

Maybe this

You could get something like this. Easy to store and you can get the tanks for pretty cheap. Just make sure you get a strong mesh that won't melt from the heat to rest the coals on.

For really light use (or heavy if you want) I like the single burner:
https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Powerpack-TM-Propane-Stove/dp/B0009PUS6M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1465607666&sr=8-2&keywords=coleman+single+burner+stove

I've been using one for 4-5 years.

Look at your meal plan and figure out if you're going to need more than one thing on heat at a time.

Sounds like others have nailed the answers, but as others have mentioned propane and butane stoves might let you cook at parks or the like. Here's an example of a really small and cheap one, since space and money are scarce for you.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-PowerPack-Propane-Single-Burner/dp/B0009PUS6M/ref=mp_s_a_1_15?keywords=coleman+stove&qid=1566985725&s=gateway&sr=8-15

these things are available at most Walmarts along with the fuel.

Don't cook in your car... Toxic gasses.

Propane stove:

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Powerpack-TM-Propane-Stove/dp/B0009PUS6M/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1466800272&sr=8-6&keywords=propane+stove

No, I don't feel nervous. The little 1lb propane bottles seem pretty harmless for the most part.

I cook eggs every morning. That's it.

The problem with cooking is cleaning... cleaning requires water. And I am very strict about my water use. So I only cook for breakfast.

Jesus, that's rough. There's no way you can have a pocket sized portable camp stove like this:

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE

Fuel canisters are $5-7 depending where you are, and there's barely an open flame.

Hi guys, I'm looking to purchase a new back packing stove...I'm debating between an MSR pocket rocket: https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=sr_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1468872725&sr=1-2&keywords=backpacking+stove

A etek city ultra light:https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=sr_1_1?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1468872725&sr=1-1&keywords=backpacking+stove

And this other Etekcity one: https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Portable-Collapsible-Windproof-Backpacking/dp/B00Q6QT99A/ref=dp_ob_title_sports

Thoughts? Any stoves you would suggest? I like gas stoves, but if you can convince me to buy one that runs off of liquid fuel, I'm all for it!

I'll remember that for next time. I've already packed it all away, but I might drag it out and take some pics. My foot is pretty banged up so it'll be a minute. But Ill give you a short list :)

Pack: Osprey Exos 58

Sleeping Bag: Teton Sports Tracker

Tent: ALPS Mountaineering Lynx 1

Tarp: Ultimate Survival Hex tarp

Mess kit: Mess kit and Mug

Water Filtration: Sawyer Mini

Tools/Defense: Note: Normally I would only take one knife, but I wasn't sure which I would prefer as they're two quite different blades. Ka-Bar Becker BK2, Condor Bushlore, and Bear Spray

Stove: MSR PocketRocket

First Aid: I had the Adventure Medical Kits Day Tripper, and then added to that with Celox and an Israeli Bandage

Trekking Poles: Cascade Mountain Tech CF with Cork Grips

In addition I had a few little things in a small kit; Ferro rod, duct tape, trail blazes, chemical water purifiers in case my Sawyer failed, bug spray, a small thing of sunscreen (which I didn't end up needing as it was overcast), deodorant, TP, etc.

How do people feel about the jetboil compared to say the MSR PocketRocket or snow peak?

I would reccomend the GSI Soloist pot over the Jet boil and with that a MSR Pocket Rocket, but thats just my personal preference.

This is the liner that I use but I would look more into other liners, just to see if theres anything you would prefer more. I only used the liner like a dozen times at most, so its not a necessity.

• Optimus canister stove and cookset combo
  or MSR Pocket Rocket and Toaks 750ml pot
  
• Or you can make your own alcohol stove for pennies
  

Hey!

Welcome to prepping and congratulations on taking the first steps!

I will say, a lot of food goes bad pretty quick. Remember to rotate that stuff.

Alternatively, you can get mountain house or another brand of long term storage food and a little camping stove, and then you dont have to worry about it going bad, and if you don't need it for like 10 years it will still be here.

The stoves and their fuel cans are popular for camping, but work great for cooking when the powers out too, and in a situation where its pretty cold, they can warm up a small room pretty well.

Here are some links

https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-House-Just-Case-Hour/dp/B001OPLW20

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11774-Dragonfly-Stove/dp/B000BBGQ7O/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1500006032&sr=1-2&keywords=msr+stove

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1500006032&sr=1-1&keywords=msr+stove

Most of that stuff can also be bought locally at REI or Bass Pro Shop or the like.

Good job on the water.

I picked up a Pocket Rocket last year and its pretty solid if you dont mind carrying around fuel. I have a Dualist cook set that this folds up and fits inside of to save some space. The fuel canisters for it are small enough where I'm not worried about it taking up much room in my pack or adding to the weight I carry.

> Just get a small camp stove like this.

Looking at your link, now I'm a bit confused. Isn't this also a compressed gas canister just the same as the ones I posted? What's the difference? How would this be any safer than the former?

I use the MSR Pocket Rocket. I've had it for several years and it can take one hell of a beating. If the temperature gets around freezing you'll have to sleep with the fuel can to keep it warm, though.

I personally use Mountain House- just tastes the best to me. An easy alternative is to walk down the ethnic food isle at your grocery store and look for boil-and-pour simple meals (rice/pasta dishes particularly). Instant mashed potatoes are good too. The tradeoff is for the non-backpacking meals you usually have to use a dish to make the food, which is something you'll have to clean up and hang with the rest of your kitchen supplies.

Trangia Burner

These suckers are indestructible and hold the fuel you don't use in the stove without it evaporating.

I like these a bit better for this. You can build one out of a soda can too. My thought here is that you can run it on bottles of yellow HEET (fuel line defroster) which you can get at any gas station, hardware store or grocery store. For someone living on the streets it's a bit easier to get a hold of than a canister of fuel for a stove.

You can also buy alcohol stoves that are pre-made, and they’re cheaper to get fuel for and you don’t end up carrying an empty fuel canister around.


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What about a Trangia stove?

You could even make a coke can stove. I have one and it works well. The only criticisms I have of it is that you have to guess how much alcohol to use in it and there's no way to control the temperature. Minor complaints though, especially since it's made from two recycled coke cans.

They use methylated spirits. Pretty easy to use. Really lightweight, even with the fuel.

> Fancy Feast stove

That's what Andrew Skurka uses. He says that he has tried various other builds, but none of them saved him enough fuel (vs the FF stove) to be worth the bother.

Personally, I like my Trangia, but I'm not an ultra-lighter. It's still pretty damn light, though, and very strong, since it's made of brass.

2. Keep all of your valuables (electronics, passport, wallet, etc.) in an easy-to-remove bag. I use a small ulock and try to lock my frame to something and then run a small cable lock through the handles of panniers. My wheels have anti-theft bolts on them, so they're not easy to steal. Keep in mind that most theaves are opportunists and want something quick and easy--so don't make your bike quick and easy. For grocery stores: some stores will let you roll your bike into the entrance area or leave it leaning near the cash register.
   
   
3. Personally, I like a warm meal / coffee especially when the weather is wet. If you're on the fence, I'd suggest buying a Trangia alcohol stove ($20!) and you can always ditch it if you're not using it. I use it in conjunction with the Vargo Hexagon Wood Stove but you can get a smaller/lighter pot holder. The stove is light, runs silently and the fuel is cheap and easy to find.
   
   
4. This time of year is a good time to get apparel on sale. Check out brands like Pearl Izumi or the house-brand at Mountain Equipment Co-op (if you're Canadian.) For touring you can usually skip a proper jersey and instead do a merino t-shirt, you don't really need the pockets since you've got bags with you.

For cooking issues in a real crisis, I made one of these burns very little wood, small sticks/twigs/woodchips. I made mine out of an old computer case, but any sturdy sheet metal will do. I also have a trangia which runs on alcohol. And a dutch oven which can be used over a campfire or buried with coals. For home heat, I have built a rocket mass heater before, they work great and stay warm long after the fire is out, but I rent now, so I have a small woodstove I can quickly hook up to the chimney if need be. Not that you asked about any of that =]

Actually, a wide-mouth stainless steel bottle is more practical. It can serve as a drinking container as well as something to boil water with. You can get a fish mouth spreader to hang it over a fire and a cup/pot that will "nest" over it. Or you can rig up something to hold up the bottle so you can run an alcohol stove under it.

Here's a pre-assembled bottle cooking kit:

http://www.thepathfinderstore.com/the-ultimate-bottle-cooking-set-gen2/

Here's the most widely used alcohol stove (you can make your own too, if you've good the tools handy, but if you don't have the tools it's smarter to just buy one):

http://www.amazon.com/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-with-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970

You could try out one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Butane-Stove-Camping-Burner/dp/B000RA8V1S

I find the portable butane burners to be unbearably under powered and the butane canisters seem to get used up really quickly.

I would go with a propane cooktop that you can hook a 20lb propane tank up to. And find a place you can fill the propane tank, instead of exchanging it. It's often like 1/2 the cost to refill.

EDIT: One of these would be even more fun.

Does this mean something like this won't be allowed? Is butane a flammable liquid? Sorry if this is a really stupid question, but I don't want to bring a huge grill for just my friend and I.

I have only used then on gas ranges or this little gem. But I think you will be fine. If anything, when you are the at restaurant supply store, grab one of those burners and then you can break it out whenever you need to get some consistent heat either for stir frying, making eggs, or heating up that cast iron to get a nice sear on your steak. That little butane burner is a life saver.

1. Answered adequately by others, no additional comment :)
   
   
2. Part of the game is not fighting the dust and just learning to accept it will get on everything. You don't need to ziplock everything to protect it - just get dusty my friend! I usually clean the tent out (shake the blankets outside etc) every couple days.
   
   
3. Answered adequately by others, no additional comment :)
   
   
4. Cooking is fine, and I'd go crazy if I couldn't make hot food! Get one of those small asian butane stoves. They are only like $15 or $20 and I've had the same one for almost a decade of burns. Army surplus stores or Asian markets are good places to buy locally. Cook a meal at home first with it to get the hang of it. Two or three butane canisters will last a week. (BUTANE - not propane). I cook inside my tent with lots of ventilation to avoid carbon monoxide poisoning. (The wind makes it hard to cook if you are outside).
   
   
5. Best to read up the various threads about what foods to bring. It really depends what your cooler situation is and how dedicated you will be to buying ice. And I can't stress this enough: your food preferences and taste will change once on playa. Normally I like protein bars but on playa they are disgusting for example. Granola bars, however, are great. Salty food is good. Fresh veggies are great but take up a lot of precious room in the cooler and are likely to get smushed/bruised/damaged by other bulkier items.

I use two stoves very similar to these for camping. Fuel is a little hard to find, but cheap, easy to handle and lasts quite a while. They seem to put out more concentrated heat than the gas stove in my house, so water boils faster, and still have enough control to not burn food in a pan. The ignition works flawless, too.

I'm unsure about their indoor safety, mostly because of the warning printed on them. They state that they are approved for camping use outdoors and commercial indoor use only. No idea if thats just regulatory, or if commercial structures have standards for ventilation.

This is the exact model I have:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RA8V1S

Oven. I'll definitely have some sort of a cooktop, even if I keep the big fridge.

Thank you so much for all the info. There are two places near me that sell reclaimed building materials that I want to get as much as I can from and build this myself. Even so I was assuming that this will cost a lot so I wanted to be over prepared. Your build list has helped to put things in perspective.

I found a propane oven/stove combo that is a little pricey, but I'll be using it on the regular so it should be worth it. www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_h4n4xb2Y0XYKH

Btw your link goes to a deleted post.

what about something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1549387090&sr=8-3&keywords=gas+camping+oven

Put a cast iron dutch oven in it?

maybe something like this will do then:
http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457038948&sr=8-1&keywords=small+gas+oven

I have one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=coleman+oven+grill&qid=1557775283&s=gateway&sr=8-9

And one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Proctor-Silex-34103-Fifth-Burner/dp/B073R9TCP3/ref=sxin_2_ac_d_pm?keywords=hot+plate&pd_rd_i=B073R9TCP3&pd_rd_r=4ee7b29a-7cfd-46b2-86cc-e1a18755718f&pd_rd_w=zlJR8&pd_rd_wg=YxhxO&pf_rd_p=5cc8abfe-8f78-4f34-b19f-d09d6ea0dca4&pf_rd_r=P99QWN38FYTV01DEXED0&qid=1557775321&s=gateway

plus one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/GS-1000-Portable-Automatic-Ignition-Carrying/dp/B01MYGMO6M/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1VPXER597IZZ1&keywords=butane+stove&qid=1557775343&s=gateway&sprefix=butane+%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-3

To be used at any time. I also have a propane griddle and a sous vide. They may or may not travel with me, depending on a lot, but that's what I use.

Seen this one yet?? It's not full sized, but just sharing an option I've had in my list for a years. Just don't think I need an oven enough to justify it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG

My grandma has one of these and absolutely loves it. Uses it all the time, combines burners with the ability to bake things.

http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I probably wont be doing much until the weather warms up and I can afford to deck it out. My plans are to get a Fantastic fan, some solar panels, batteries and wire it all up. After that I am thinking of mounting a propane tank underneath where one of the fuel tanks was as well as a fresh water tank. It will have a very small kitchenette with a propane powered stove with oven. Not sure if I will go with a minifridge or just use a cooler. Also there will be a toilet. Sounds like a lot to cram in there once I write it all down, but I think it will be great. Keep an eye on the sub, Ill definitely post pictures when I do make progress.

I will say though that if you don't want the stove a propane burner is cheap at around $50. Also there is a commercial version that is a little smaller than what I built for $225 on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG

The Camp Chef easy bake oven? We got it as a gift but it’s just too big to carry. If i had a trailer that would be a different story. Camp Chef Camping Outdoor Oven with 2 Burner Camping Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9FZaBb510291N

I'm looking at this [oven](https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0013LLSZG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=just015f-20&linkId=5d06b42f999620646db0fdf39389dadf) on Amazon as a potential option. Would it be safe in a oven and what kind of precautions should I take? Are there better options? Cooking in an oven is important to me as I enjoy cooking and baking.

You can also get an Esbit version. They're nice because they can hold a fair bit of fuel in a pretty small package. It comes with a screw top and an O-ring, so you can fill it with fuel, put it out, and seal it back up with no wasted fuel. They're also lightweight, and you can use over the counter rubbing alcohol for fuel - although the BTUs on that sort of stuff might be inferior to other fuels. I don't know.

The only thing I WILL say about them, though, is that I'd recommend keeping it relatively warm in colder weather. I've found that my alcohol stove simply refuses to start if its too cold, and so the last time I went out I kept it in my sleeping bag with me while I slept, and it fired up without much trouble in the morning.

Also would recommend some sort of windscreen, just in case. Esbit does also make another UL stove that uses their fuel tablets, which the alcohol stove can fit into (but getting it lit requires a little extra effort either getting it into the slots, or lighting it while its in the slots).

Of course, there's also always these guys also by Esbit, which you can store the fuel cells in when its folded. The only thing I don't like about them (which take with a giant grain of salt, because I'm 100% an amateur to all of this) is that you're limited with the fuel cell and the length of burn. You don't end up wasting any excess fuel with the alcohol stove. Also, you do get the added benefit, if you're using rubbing alcohol for fuel, of having an antiseptic available in a pinch.

Finally, an option to keep the whole package on the small end, you have these little guys as pot stands. They work great to keep my pot elevated off the stove, but I will say that they do seem to get in the way of the burn a bit and inhibit some of the airflow, but not enough to be a huge issue. They fit into the Esbit alcohol stove perfectly, but again, you might be better off with something that lifts the pot up a bit more for a better burn. I think they're designed to be used with the their own brand of alcohol stove, though, so that's probably why they don't work great.

I have this mini, portable stove on my WL.

So you could do the chopping, and I could do the cooking?

Here is from the budget backpacker:

Stove: esbit is 6.3 oz with 6 fuel cubes (weight includes fuel) for <$11.00: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462135828&sr=8-1&keywords=esbit+stove

Pot: GSI stainless weighs 5 oz for <$10.50 http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Glacier-Stainless-Bottle/dp/B001LF3IB6/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1453225574&sr=8-6&keywords=backpacking+pot

Utensil: I use a standard aluminum fork and spoon because they weigh less than an ounce each, but you can also look at this:

Toaks titanium spork weighs 0.6 oz for <$9.00 http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-SLV-01-Titanium-Spork/dp/B009AO19MK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462136083&sr=8-1&keywords=toaks+titanium+spork

Once again, not 100% ultralight, but pretty light weight and a good starting place for a beginner.

Anybody can understand that. It wasn't what I said. Read what I actually wrote. I am speaking specifically about THIS POST. OP in THIS POST spent at least $10 on these supplies. Yes, many people have these things and can make one for cheap or free even. No one is arguing that. What I was saying is that even if you can build one of these for $1-2 and another $1-2 on fuel, they are still half way to the cost of a real lightweight stove that will work in all conditions and last a long time and actually work repeatedly and as expected.

For a fun/novel thing to do, there is nothing wrong with it. If you would rather have this than even an esbit tablet (which would still cost less than this stove + fuel and be lighter and not make a mess and work in almost all conditions), then that is your choice. I wouldn't and I have made many makeshift stoves and gear of all sorts. Sometimes it makes sense and sometimes it doesn't. This is onetime that it is a false economy.

Edit: For anyone that wants to see what I am talking about, at even a bit of a high price on Amazon you can get six Esbit tabs and the stove for $10, which is about $1 per use and not far off what an alcohol stove will cost to run. One tab also will actually boil water in most circumstances in 8 minutes or less: https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO/

Usually I eat at the camp site or close to it. But in case I want a cup of tea/coffee I carry an [Esbit Stove] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001C1UGVO/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1481712503&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=Esbit&dpPl=1&dpID=31ZdIVkJyJL&ref=plSrch)

It packs small, costs nearly nothing and is capable to heat an occasional can of food as well

Edit: formatting

How long would one of those little 8ounce gas cans last for?

Also, whats the benefit to gas cans vs solid fuel like this

Then go with the MSR Whisperlite that /u/gcranston recommends. However, it doesn't use ISO-Butane as suggested. It uses white gas. It is very easy to get a hold of here in the US. I have had one for almost 20 years and it still works wonderfully.

You have to purchase the bottle separately, but they aren't that expensive. Just make sure that you use a windscreen. It improves the cooking time significantly. You can easily make one.

I've used the Esbit (http://amzn.com/B001C1UGVO) stoves before too and they work. They don't work super fast, but if you are cooking something for one, you can't really get any cheaper. If you are only cooking for yourself or just heating things up, these little stoves work well. Every time I have used one, I have had people tell me that it will never work, how silly I look with them and how cheap I am, but they are small and cheap. Again, you need a windscreen for these to work.

I love that little guy for hiking or biking. When he's paired with a collapsible shotglass and tiny stove my coffee on-the-go setup packs up to the size of the aeropress.

I'll go ahead and do the math for you.

Toaks 550 pot $30: http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-Titanium-550ml-Pot/dp/B00CYA26BU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421708767&sr=8-1&keywords=toaks+550

Esbit stove $13.91: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Titanium-Tablets/dp/B002AQET2C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421708767&sr=8-2&keywords=toaks+550

Toaks spork $11: http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-Titanium-Folding-Spork/dp/B00GLD8SYA/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1421708837&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=toaks+spork

Toaks windscreen $10.95: http://toaksoutdoor.com/windscreen.aspx

GRAND TOTAL WITHOUT SHIPPING: $65.86

SAVINGS: $65.86 - $48.99 = $16.87

Now let me ask you this. Would you be willing to light $16.87 on fire? If not, you do see the value here.

Two ain't so bad!


12.27 in my general wishlist, linked to the right one...pretty sure.


1.00 in under $5, it's cheaper than the default, but not the default, but I'm sure I linked it right.

Three's a crowd!

5.49 in food

6.89 in default wishlist, not cheapest but I think I linked the exact one.

.99 Whisper to a dream MP3, in mp3 wishlist

Hopefully, no crazy price swings! And thanks for all the gifting, this socking,y took less time than damnyoureloud's contest!

I may edit if I can find that one perfect gift?

I just purchased one of these little guys for $5 at a Sportsman's Warehouse in WY last week.

I tried two of the Coghlan's tablets (2@7g=14g) and it just made it to boiling. Haven't tried esbit yet, it may be worth the higher price.

I tried 14g of alcohol in a few of my diy stoves and they didn't even come close to a boil.

To me, that says solid is the UL choice.

This little stove is pretty amazing, yet simple. It's folding arms hold my 700ml Ti cup rock solid and the distance from the burner to the cup is perfect. At $5 and 14g, plus 14g/boil you can't go wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002AQET2C?pc_redir=1397188849&robot_redir=1

Thoughts on the esbit stove? I see it on a lot of the extreme light base weight lighterpacks.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was $15 yesterday, weighs 0.4oz and the fuel cubes weigh 0.5oz and are also useful for fire starting. Cubes last ~12 minutes. "One tablet boils 500 ml of water in about 8 minutes "

The MRS small size gas canisters are like 7.5oz.. so this is a considerable drop in weight and space in the pack for shorter trips. Also, seems like fewer parts to break.

Negatives would be.. Im thinking you cant put a cube out once started.. cant adjust flame.

I use the stuff sack my toaks pot came with, so the residue is contained.

This is the one I bought: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

My stove is only .4 oz (11.5g)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01

is it possible to heat with a wood stove using a window stove pipe kit? Something like this would set up really easy and heat really well. https://www.amazon.com/TMS-Portable-Military-Camping-Ice-fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A/ref=pd_sbs_468_4/131-0161893-0365920?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B002XNWC8A&pd_rd_r=dfac21e8-10bd-4e5b-8b19-3ef04686d8a6&pd_rd_w=moH1a&pd_rd_wg=VXKVa&pf_rd_p=43281256-7633-49c8-b909-7ffd7d8cb21e&pf_rd_r=3GE8R0MDMX8V0C45T55P&psc=1&refRID=3GE8R0MDMX8V0C45T55P

If you want to buy something, you can get small and light portable stoves, or if you want smaller and lighter there are roll up stoves and chimneys that pack small but are quite a bit more expensive.

I've got half a dozen different stoves and a soda can side-burner alcohol stove was still what I preferred to use on my last trip. The only real downside is that it consumes a decent volume of fuel. For a 3 day/2 night trip I bring a full 8 oz to cook 2 freeze dried dinners and hot drinks in the morning.

Another great budget alternative are these imported canister stoves. I bought two just in case they were unreliable, but so far, they've been absolutely great. No worse than a MSR Pocket Rocket or Snow Peak GigaPower.

An expedition stove with fuel bottle and pump - the kind you need to prime - I'll ONLY bring that for snow camping. It's just not worth the size, weight, and hassle to light.

My favorite thing about alcohol stoves is that they're so quiet and peaceful. There's really something to the name of the site zenstoves.net (by the way, for backpacking/boiling water, I recommend the supercat). If you get a chance, watch it burn at night. Looks amazing.

A good starter peak to camp on is Timber Mountain. There is a broad flat area just North-East of the summit that is perfect for camping. It's a shorter hike than Cucamonga but starts at the same trailhead (Icehouse Canyon).

Columbine Spring used to be reliable but last time I was there (a few months ago) it was barely a trickle. So you would likely need to pack all your water with you.

As for a stove I've been using the same cheap $7 backpacking stove from Amazon for years. I recommend it to anyone just starting out since it is cheap and you can start to get a feel for what you want to cook when you backpack. Then later you can always upgrade to a JetBoil or Pocket Rocket and keep your first stove as a backup.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004UVPDUM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522590675&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=jet+boil&dpPl=1&dpID=41uX9ri7HkL&ref=plSrch

test https://amazon.com/gp/product/B004UVPDUM/

I'm in the same boat. I'll probably just live with the electric for most things, and buy a single portable gas burner (like this one) for wok stir-frying and hot pot.

If you want something versatile I'd go with a portable gas burner (such as http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/) and a pan (such as http://www.amazon.com/TAYAMA-TG-28C-Tayama-Hot-Pot/dp/B000K6LHC4).

I personally have a Zojirushi electric hot pot which is very awesome for many reasons but it may not be ideal for chinese hot pot because there is not a divider on the pot (for spicy half/mild half) and it is actually quite huge to store in a cabinet.

Splurge on this

Everything is from the H-Mart housewares section. The stove is kinda like this and the grill is at Hmart too. There are similar pieces on amazon.

Just as a counterpoint, in places like Japan they use those little butane cartridge burners indoors all the frickin time.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006H42TVG/

Like this. I don't know that there's any fundamental difference between that stove and yours, I can't imagine that there is, especially if it looks like that.

A regular gas stove with a blue flame produces nearly nil CO until you put a cold pan onto the flame. Once you do that, they all produce CO, even the ones built into kitchens. It's not very much and it reduces once the pan warms up.

I think the people in this thread so far are being absolutely overly paranoid.

Have you considered buying a portable gas range and doing it outside? like this https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1478928361&sr=8-2&keywords=portable+gas+range

You can always get something like this for fairly cheap. They're easy to store when you don't need it.
http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG

Not as high BTU as the commercial gas stove in the video, of course, but it'll be tons better at maintaining the frying pan at a consistent high temp when compared with an electric stove.

I bring a folding table like this one. I have a 2-burner Coleman stove that runs off propane and a single-burner butane stove. I'll bring one or the other depending on how many fuel canisters I find while packing. I always bring gear for cooking (pan/pot, spatula, tongs, ladle, hot pads, seasonings, etc.) but the most common stove use is boiling water in a kettle (for making coffee in an Aeropress or french press). I'm one of those "it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" people who brings EVERYTHING!

I usually camp with a large group. We try to plan so that everyone (or every couple) brings one meal to share to reduce the overall prep work and expense. Sometimes we have electric available at camp and I will do a slow-cooker recipe on site. Other times I make a dish at home, freeze it so it will keep in the cooler, then re-heat it on the stove. A 'one pot' dish like soup or jambalaya is easy to re-heat and serve and doesn't generate a huge mess to clean. Tip: add dish soap to a small scrubby sponge (or cut a larger sponge into a more manageable size) and keep it in a ziploc. The reduces the chances of a soap spill/disaster and it can be thrown away if no longer usable at the end of the fest.

I bring a few snacks and something to eat in the mornings (plus coffee - never go without a reliable caffeine source!) in addition to my group meal contribution. I rely on the vendors for everything else.

I've got this one from duxtop and I really like it, but have started relying more on this gas cooktop. I like the gas because it gets hotter than the induction (by a wide margin), its cheaper, and I'm not limited to magnetic cookware for it to work. I also appreciate that I have to worry less about tripping over the power cord and pulling a 600º pan off the table.

If you need more power, get one of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006H42TVG/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1418188037&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

I just got one since I don't want to smoke up the house. More than enough power out of that portable stove!

For larger pots and pans this one may work better : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006H42TVG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Okay, that helps. When it comes to stoves, the choices are canister gas (generally propane or butane) or liquid fuel (naphtha, gasoline, or similar). Would a bottle of liquid fuel be better, or would you have access to some sort of liquid fuel out in the field?

The smallest setup that’s reliable would probably be canisters; either an MSR PocketRocket with fuel canister or the Jetboil system.

You could go with liquid fuel and use an Optimus Nova. The ideal fuel for that stove is white gas (aka naphtha or Coleman fuel). However, in a pinch it can run on gasoline, kero, JP8, diesel, and other fuels. Just be aware that diesel burns a bit dirty. Only run it with good pressure and at maximum output if you use heavier fuel like that.

The Solo Lite is pretty compact, and burns biomass (sticks and such, collected from the field). Depending on the location, that may or may not be an option.

I don't have one, or know anyone who does. Sorry. My first impression is that this is very cool tech, but I wonder about the weight for backpacking. Two pounds is a lot. The advantage, of course, is that one does not need to carry fuel for the stove, sticks and twigs are available everywhere.

How much will the lack of fuel matter to weight? A trangia or similar alcohol stove like this Solo Alcohol stove is much, much lighter, only 3.5 oz. and fuel is only a couple of ounces.

A Solo Stove weighs 9 ounces, but lacks the fan that makes the fire burn more quickly, and it doesn't charge your phone. For the cost of the Biolite, and the weight, I'd go with other options.

I don't have any personal experience with this stove, but the review on Amazon are generally very favorable.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews/B007DBD3IU/ref=mw_dp_cr

I recommend an aluminum pot with a bail handle like this Open Country Non-Stick Covered Kettle, 2-Quart but something bigger would be better, maybe the Trangia

And for a stove a Kovea Spider or something similar with a detached fuel tank.

hikin_jim I am seeing this on Amazon for $39. Anyone know if this is a knockoff or the real deal?
https://www.amazon.com/Kovea-Spider-Stove-Small-Silver/dp/B00CFPIPKA/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1512085504&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=SKU%3A+KB-1109

Hot meals backpacking are best. Cold Kovea Spider still cooks.

This used to be my go-to stove until I discovered the BRS3000T. Weighs less than an ounce and functions quite well for an ultralight $17 stove.

BRS Outdoor Camping Gas Cooking Stove Portable Ultralight Burner 25g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_E-FJAbMW831GN

Way too heavy. My cooker is something like this (it might even be the same thing) https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U

It weights 45g. You don't need a case for it either, I just put it inside my pot and make sure there are some socks or a buff around it so it doesn't stab a hole in my pack/other stuff.

And remember you can just bring the bits you need. I like mine better for the weight actually, and have 2 different kits:


https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingGear/comments/2h32ru/picked_these_up_at_the_store_for_1495_and_1995/

I reeally like them and when i go by myself i just take the small one, and when 3 people I take them all and 2 stoves. I have an older pocket Rocket clone but got this little baby a few months ago for $10 or 11 bucks:

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

I just try to be cheap thrifty so I do tend to look for sales and "clones". My buddy just bought the whole kit he needed for JMT and is in over 3 grand. My kit is pretty good and I am in for maybe $500-600.

I can always go back and buy the super expensive gram saving thing if I find I want to loose more weight from my pack down the road. But i figure at this point a diet will do more for trail weight than fancy gear.

Backpacking is what I love above all else, happy to help.

Finding a local Facebook Group or forum is definitely great advice, they're usually the best resources for learning about places to go/conditions to expect/anything specific to your area, plus find some people to tag along with. Starting out with day hikes is also totally the right thing to do, it will help give you a feel for moving through the woods. You could also combine this with car camping to familiarize yourself with your gear and with cooking/sleeping/etc. outside with a little less commitment than a backpacking trip.

I'd recommend /r/Ultralight over BackpackingLight, which is not particularly active and of much poorer quality than it was a few years ago, IMO. /r/Ultralight is quite welcoming/helpful and pretty active these days. I don't always agree with him, but Andrew Skurka is a well known hiker/adventurer who is also a great resource (both his website and his book). I think he is more approachable for beginners than a lot of others.

I disagree with /u/ImAtleastTwelve, at least to a certain degree, on cost. It certainly is not a cheap hobby by any means (especially considering even in great outdoors cities you're still almost certainly going to need to drive decent distances), but having a fairly light setup with solid gear doesn't have to be exorbitantly expensive—at least relative to say, fashion or photography. I could write endlessly about all kinds of gear, but just taking the example of stoves. You can get a little stove that screws onto a gas cansiter and weighs about an ounce for under 20 bucks. Startup costs can be high because there is quite a bit of gear you need, but it doesn't have to be too crazy. Also, it's a popular activity—lots of used gear (I rarely buy anything new) and people to borrow from out there.

And like he said, it's totally possible to do any number of amazing trips with whatever gear you can scrape together. The gear is a means to an end with backpacking, and all you need is enough to survive somewhat comfortably before you're ready to go outside and enjoy yourself. Everything after that is either making it more comfortable or extending your limits.

Ubens BRS Ultralight Camping Gas Stove Outdoor Burner Cooking Stove 25g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_43EPybPPWPHMC

I bought this and it's fine. Used a handful of times.

The REI Magma 850 Down Jacket is on sale for 50% off right now (13.75 oz) I got the same one without the hood when it was available and have loved it so far. This is nerdy as hell but you could get this dope glow in the dark multi purpose swiss army knife and save some weight. Get the BRS Stove and save a couple ounces. You could probably get by with the Anker 13000. Don't know what your sit pad is but the GG 1/8" Foam Pad is super light. I emailed GG and they said the pads would be available soon

I use these:

GSI Outdoors Halulite Boiler Cooking Pot, 1.1-Liter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GP1GSAO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gGI0CbV08N5W5

BRS Outdoor Camping Gas Cooking Stove Portable Ultralight Burner 25g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HFI0Cb57SJ66E

Total weight: 135g or 4.76oz; Total cost: $47

You can get stuff that weighs less but I’m cheap.

You might want to check out the BRS-3000t as well:

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

but less than half the price for us cheap bastards. and has it's own source of ignition

If you want lightweight and small, you can't beat the BRS 3000T. It's also cheap, too. You can also get it on Aliexpress for a few bucks cheaper if you don't mind waiting longer to get it.

But it's become so popular on Amazon and eBay that now there are sellers with "BRS-3000T" in the description or title selling an entirely different small stove that weighs twice as much and, in one type I tried, conducted so much heat to the stem that the valve geometry changed and stopped the gas flow until it cooled of.


Here's one on Amazon that has (at least has a photo of) a real BRS-3000T:https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=asc_df_B00NNMF70U/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198072135009&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16301542988954434560&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033901&hvtargid=pla-317875287747&psc=1#customerReviews and the price looks right (currently $17-$19, it was $13 several years ago).


Here's a listing on Amazon for a "BRS-3000T" that isn't. That brass stem is both a warning sign and part of the problem (it conducts too much heat downward). You'd think "How can you go wrong for $6?", but you can. A stove that shuts off after 2-3 minutes is not only super annoying but also potentially VERY dangerous because once it's cooled off, it will vent unburned gas through the stove head: https://www.ebay.com/i/273601044072?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=273601044072&targetid=595076215808&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9033901&poi=&campaignid=6470636535&mkgroupid=77538519077&rlsatarget=pla-595076215808&abcId=1140476&merchantid=118868785&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1uaEj8um5QIVj_hkCh2nCwTLEAQYAyABEgI_rvD_BwE

I'm an ultralighter and have been keeping an eye on this...

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

Lightest in the world (less than 1oz) titanium stove, and only ~$16. Reviews on it sound pretty decent.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Backpacking-Canister-Stove-Ignition/dp/B00ENDROMW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454174592&sr=8-4&keywords=Cannister+stove

Super cheap and works pretty well.

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454175219&sr=8-1&keywords=Brs-25

I picked up a brs-25 earlier this week (when it was shipping from the US instead of China) and it's a cool 0.9 oz stove that runs $10-$18 if you can find it in stock (or are willing to wait for shipping from china.)

Massdrop has nice deals on klymit insulated static v lite pads every month or so. Usually around $55 shipped and 19 oz with a decent r rating.

The three stoves below have worked great for me.

My current favorite is the BRS top-of-canister stove:
https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U. Extremely light, seems sturdy enough.

For a more substantial remote canister stove I use the FireMaple FMS 117t: https://www.amazon.com/FMS-117T-Titanium-Outdoor-Camping-Equipment/dp/B00UX07EQU.

I also use alcohol stoves, Trail Designs Caldera Cone: https://www.traildesigns.com/products/caldera-cone-system

I have many other stoves, I turn them on once in a while for nostalgia sake or use them car/kayak camping. I used a Svea for decades (fantastic stove, but too heavy now), also my MSR Expedition stove for winter. I use my Optimus 111B when I need a blowtorch to heat really large pots (e.g. boiling a dozen ears of corn). I could go on and on...

Here is the mobile version of your link

I have the BSR one off Amazon. I actually got mine from BuyGeek flash sale for $9.99, free shipping. Took 2 weeks to get here from a China. It's been a pretty good stove for me.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNMF70U/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522032785&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=bsr+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=318GiUmpQkL&ref=plSrch

Is this the type of rocket stove you were talking about?

With fuel like twigs and leaves, how did it provide you with heat long enough to cook anything? What did your meals consist of? Thanks.

This is what I've been using this past season, it's a great small wood gasifying stove. I've never thought about it before, but I suppose it would make a good windbreak for a gas stove as it a three piece system. If the basket were removed, the base and combustion chamber would be a hollow cylinder.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0125U36Q2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_crBpyb84RD9H7

The easiest setup is a stainless steel cup that doubles as a bowl and a pot you can cook in, a spork, and your camp knife. For cleaning, maybe some camp soap, a bandana, and a tiny scrubber (or a bit of sponge). A cheap flexible cutting board is handy, too.

If you have multiple people, a small pot can cook food for 2-4 people. I own a cheap gasifying wood stove that weighs less than a pound and is fueled by kindling and small sticks; it can fully cook a stew for 2-4 people on just two loads of twigs

go to an asian grocery store and buy one of these. they are pretty cheap and small. now you can cook at a park or something.

GAS ONE GS-1000 7,650 BTU Portable Butane Gas Stove Automatic Ignition with Carrying Case, CSA Listed (Stove) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MYGMO6M

Small butane stoves like this one get stupid hot and the fuel cells last a long time. You could also just get a hot plate or something.

A setup like this (w the fuel can Pictured) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5O7551/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_JQ0ZAb9WFRMNV

is what I use when hiking. Small and lightweight. I'm not sure if that's something you'd be allowed to have in the field though.

A camping canister stove might work. Something like this.

I have the older version that I use for backpacking and it's basically a single burner that you might have on a stove top.

This is my 10oz luxury kitchen

https://www.traildesigns.com/products/fissure-ti-tri

with wood burning insert and kojin stove

With Evernew 760 mug
EVERNEW 760FD Titanium Cup https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C6H8KX8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qhRKDbDR8GG4E

and this lid
TOAKS Titanium Lid for TOAKS Cups... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072BTZ7RM?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

And this dry baking pan (yes you can!)
https://www.flatcatgear.com/shop/snow-leopard-baking-pan/

this esbit holder
https://www.flatcatgear.com/shop/epicurean-ul15-stove/

This alcohol stove
https://www.minibulldesign.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=301&idcategory=18

This silicone band to hold it all together (just one X band)
Grifiti Band Joes Cross Style 4, 6, 9, 12 Inch Assorted 20 Pack X Shape Wrist, Books, Cameras, Art, Cooking, Wrapping, Exercise, Bag Wraps, Dungies, Silicone Rubber https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018WQII2A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_YwRKDbP7626DD


Mug + cone + wood burning insert + esbit holder + baking pan + remote alcohol stove + mini bic lighter + tinder = 10.2 oz and it ALL fits inside the can (yep, all at the same time)


Yes, all up its pretty heavy but you’ll almost never need or want to have all the options on a single trip but you could. More importantly, with this one kit you can adapt for a trip in any environment with any fuel and you can bake stuff in it too

BONUS!
this mug will also fit a BRS 3000T stove, bic lighter, and a 100g butane canister inside (but not at the same time as all the other stuff)
BRS Only 25g BRS-3000T Ultra-Light Titanium Alloy Camping Stove Gas Stoves Outdoor Cooker Outdoor Stove Gas Stove Miniature Portable Picnic https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XNLSNFR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_LsRKDbZ47R6HQ

For that price you won't be getting ultralight on the big 3: backpack, sleeping bag, and tent. Unfortunately those are the largest, heaviest, and most difficult to go light weight on a budget. The majority of the other items are pretty good UL gear. You can, for example, get a lighter titanium stove. It'll save you about 2oz and double the cost. Eventually the 2oz there and a few more oz here and there on a number of pieces of gear really add up so you may want to swap it out as you upgrade your gear over time. But for right now one in the price/weight range I suggested is really good ultra light weight bang for your buck.

1. Alice Backpack $35 -- Watch some youtube videos on how to strap your tent/sleeping bag/sleeping pad to the pack safely and securely. Alternatively buy a used backpack off Craigslist for dirt cheap. This is the third thing I'd upgrade, once you have a lighter/smaller sleeping bag and tent.
   
2. Slumberjack 40 degree sleeping bag $98 -- Upgrade to down-filled rather than synthetic if you can, also make sure it's temperature appropriate for your trips. This is the first place I'd personally choose to upgrade.
   
3. Coleman Sundome $36 -- Any name brand dome tent is great for beginners. I picked a 2-person since you don't seem to know what you're doing (not an insult) I assume you'll be bringing a buddy! This is the 2nd thing I'd personally choose to upgrade to something that compacts down small enough to fit inside my backpack.
   
4. MSR Pocket Rocket butane stove $32 -- Not the greatest or the absolute lightest, but one of the more popular light weight stoves. A can of fuel is $5 at Wal-Mart or pretty much any sporting goods store.
   
5. Primus Litech 10oz kettle $25-- From this kit you really just want the pot and lid. You can leave the pan at home. According to the ad it is big enough to hold the 230g sized butane cannister previously mentioned. I suggest either eating things that require no cooking or just boiling water like any number of Mountain House or alternative meals available in the sporting goods section of Wal-Mart or any sporting goods store.
   
6. Stansport Back Packing Pad $10 -- One of the simplest items to upgrade, but "nicer" ones are $30-100+.
   
7. Titanium Spork $9 -- The only cookware you'll need for most those backpacking freeze-dried meals where you just add hot water and eat out of the pouch.
   
8. 4-pack of ponchos $4 -- These are stupid small and light. They're shit quality and rip easy so they're mostly one time use.. but at $1/ea you can pack one per day, who cares? Nice rain gear is hella expensive.
   
9. Base Layer -- If you don't already own it, buy some polyester/spandex "athletic" under-shirts and pants. They're stupid light, wick away your sweat, and add lots of warmth per ounce and cubic inch of pack space. I picked up a random set from Ross yesterday (bottoms and short sleeve top) for $20 combined. Generally speaking, avoid cotton for all clothing.
   
10. Rip-Stop/hiking/tactical pants $40/pair -- I can't pick these out for you because sizing/style preference, but the fairly cheap ones are about that price per pair.
    
11. AMK First Aid Kit $23 -- This is likely way more than you need and you could probably put together a decent one in a zip-loc baggy with stuff you have around the house. Don't forget to add any prescriptions you have or anything for special needs (allergies).
    
12. Survival Whistle $6 -- You can find cheaper ones at Wal-Mart maybe...
    
13. Signal Mirror $8 -- A woman's "compact" makeup mirror could get you this for free
    
14. Aquamira water treatment drops $14 -- You may also prefer iodine tablets or a filter. You can get a basic Sawyer filter from Wal-Mart for about $25.
    
    That totals out at $365 and covers most of your bases of things you'll need to buy. Most everything else is going to be like soap, toothbrush, etc. which I'm assuming you already have. I really like the HikeLight 3-day camping checklist. You won't be able to get most (any?) of the gear on this list at your price range, but just make sure you have a comparable replacement. Yours will likely just be bigger and/or heavier than their suggested ones. http://hikelight.com/gearlist.html
    
    Happy backpacking!