Best gun & ammunition storage & safes according to redditors
We found 1,367 Reddit comments discussing the best gun & ammunition storage & safes. We ranked the 526 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
We found 1,367 Reddit comments discussing the best gun & ammunition storage & safes. We ranked the 526 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
I am as progun as they come. I keep my firearms in a heavy safe, with one home defense pistol in a separate smaller quick-access safe near the bed.
If there is even a small chance a kid will wander around your home, FUCKING LOCK THAT SHIT UP. It's really not that hard. Especially if you just have a pistol, small safes or lockboxes can be had for under $50. If even that is too much, cable locks are like $5. No excuses. Stop making us all look bad.
Thankfully, accidental gun deaths are now under 500 a year, even though we have at least 100 million gun owners. It's a shrinking problem. But let's get it as close to 0 as possible. Each one is a tragedy.
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Here is one for $20. It will fit a pistol or two. It obviously won't stop a determined adult with a bit of time, but will at least keep curious toddlers at bay. Buy a better, heavier safe if you can.
https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Portable-Handgun-Approved-Measures/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=zg_bs_4200861_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=23XCR2N0RKDJD1888CGV
You all know they make small pistol safes that bolt to the inside of your dresser or drawer, right? You can keep a full size pistol, loaded, right beside you and nobody’s getting into it without the right keypad combo or a pry bar that’s too heavy for a child to wield.
Edit: for those that asked, this what I’ve had for the past 6 years. I like the double height to keep a full size pistol and small compact version together, plus room for ammunition. I’m sure the other gun vault models work just as fine as well.
GunVault GV2000C-DLX Multi Vault Deluxe Gun Safe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000O8VUR0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_KJH5CbCEG8ZYJ
$155
Keeping it unloaded defeats the purpose of having it for safety. Use one of these instead
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1324401738&sr=8-7
$215
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006OGOHD0?cache=1ede5350897127b2016b792d549603a3&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&qid=1407335446&sr=8-10#ref=mp_s_a_1_10
Critical Duty?
Screw that crap, get some of these
That shit just paralyzes you...
https://www.amazon.com/MTM-AC4C-Ammo-Crate-4-Can/dp/B01MU6ZAPG/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=ammo+can&qid=1558490220&s=gateway&sr=8-15
I have this
Most boxes aren't going to stop determined criminals, but in a smash and grab where your box is cable-locked to the hardware under your seat (which is totally hidden anyway), this will deter most in such cases.
I have a biometric safe. tap a button on the side and it spring opens instantly. It has a code and a physical key backup. Paid $100 for it.
Looks like it went up to $150 though.
https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-Pistol-Biometric-Capacity-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1527307679&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=biometric+gun+safe
Shipping is $30+ dollars at Midway (the add a free-ship item to bring down cost trick is no more). You can pick up a similar storage cabinet for $92 shipped on Amazon
Edit: see Wal-Mart deal below
Guys,
This is a horrible reminder to keep your firearm in your possession at all times.
This is entirely avoidable! If you leave your firearm in your car, lock it up in a lock box. 20 dollars could have saved this childs life.
https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-X-Large-75210-Portable-Measures/dp/B00TONRU9S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1506687523&sr=8-4&keywords=car+safe+gun&refinements=p_72%3A2661618011
Get aluminum snap caps and have a friend load them randomly in your magazine. Not worth going out seeking to intentionally blow up your gun or get a squib load just to practice clearance drills.
Something like this screwed directly into a wall stud should fit the bill. Plus when you move out, all you have to do is fill the holes with drywall putty and paint.
I got you, fam.
https://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8
This is very secure (bolt to something if concerned about entire thing being stolen).
Also no batteries to fail or need replacing.
I understand where you're coming from because trigger locks are trash, but I'm talking about actually securing your shit with a pistol safe for quick access and a gun safe for everything else. Sure nothing is 100%, but keep the combo to yourself and that barrier will be enough to keep your kids out, and bolt it down and it will prevent theft from burglars.
You need dis . Buddy has one and swears by it. For super secret undercover reasons.
> I was shooting today and noticed two things. 1) my groupings aren't the greatest, and 2) my shots drop down and left.
> Now I know there are charts out there that give you advice on what it means depending on where you hit, in this case bottom left means "tightening grip while pulling trigger".
Where is the tip of your front sight at (on the target), at the moment the striker/hammer falls (and immediately before the front sight starts to lift in recoil)? Like Adam says,, "If you can't describe it, you probably didn't see it (or focus appropriately)." If you are having problems seeing it, mix some snap caps in with your live rounds at the range (aka do the Ball and Dummy Drill).
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> Are there any drills out there to help make my groups smaller?
Additional Drills:
Both range time, and ammunition, are expensive! I'd recommend doing dry-fire practice for ten minutes per night. Then practicing what that smooth trigger press you've done in dry-fire practice, at the range with live ammo.
If the threat model is persistent intruder, then you might have an issue even with a safe that's not secured to the location.
If the thread model is "kids/guests", then any sort of lock box is going to be just fine.
As you say, a quick-access safe in discrete concealment might meet the best of both worlds. A GunVault Micro at 8.5" x 11" x 2.5" is going to need a pretty big "book" to conceal. The "Nano" line is only 8.2" x 6" x 1.8", a bit easier.
Also, there's plenty of in-plain-sight furniture (shelving, tables, &c.) along those lines.
Ok, so, take a deep breath. Keep in mind that I'm not Mr. Super Tactical Operator, just some random internet stranger.
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You're not dumb. You're not silly for experiencing anxiety. Never forget that firearms are deadly tools. But, so are cars, so is your stove, so is a knife. There are a lot of dangerous things in our lives, but we can mitigate that danger by being knowledgeable about the dangers, taking basic precautions, and always educating ourselves and those around us about how to be safe.
For sure, because it's dangerous. But you can buy snap caps and do it in your house or find an outdoor range to practice for real.
One thing you can do that helps a lot:
This is the best way I've ever found with new shooters or new guns to figure out what is happening. If ou are flinching, jerking the trigger, etc.
EDIT: Just realized that lexor said the same thing.
I have a Fort Knox pistol box. A bit pricey, yes. But it's thick steel and has a great simplex lock for quick access. No key to lose or battery that needs replacing. It has holes on the under side for secure mounting and room for several pistols. I have an apartment and currently only own pistols, so it's perfect if you don't need or can't afford a full-size gun safe.
Yup, using a gun mount magnet from Amazon.
I just started using it but I think it will work out great for me. I work from home most of the time so it's a good spot for my EDC to live. It's not immediately visible so I'm not worried about an intruder finding it during a break-in while we're sleeping and it's with me if I leave the house.
I added the padding discs on top of it and that reduced the magnet strength a bit so I ordered a second magnet. It held there fine if I put it right in the sweet spot but I didn't want to risk it ever falling off.
I use this.
http://imgur.com/a/HIjuZ
Only $12 and it works great.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHY9RA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have 8 decks all in the smaller containers and use the large ones for random cards and lands currently. I could put two in each of the larger ones but would need to make a divider of some kind.
I uploaded some pictures to imgur. Also shook it to show there is some play, but no issues if the cards are in sleeves. I have heard of some people putting a small piece of soft foam to hold the cards in place more but I have never felt the need.
http://imgur.com/a/HIjuZ
I've been keeping an eye on this for a while and it finally has dropped to a price I'd feel comfortable paying. It's not the cheapest it's ever been but it generally doesn't drop below this (other than the one instance in April). They're normally $118-$140 on Amazon.
And yes, as with every security cabinet ever posted: Everyone is aware this isn't a safe and won't stop theft if someone really wants to break in. They're for securing guns from guests or kids while also meeting state storage requirements.
Just get a car lockbox like this and put it in there.
I do this twice every day in my work's parking garage in the middle of a populous city just outside Washington DC. Tinted windows help, but even then, if you're doing it while seated, no one is going to see it anyway. They're going to see a dude bending back in his seat. You could be adjusting your pants/belt/balls for all they can tell. It's not a big deal.
>My car doesn’t have a lockable glovebox, which sucks.
Get a locking container! They're $20-30. Here is one at Amazon, Knob Creek has a few on the shelf on the back side of the store near the cafeteria next to the used holsters, Cabelas sells them. They cable to a hard point on the car like a seat rail and lock. They are not safes but are a good layer of security.
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>Fun fact in KY is you can’t store a weapon in a non-OEM locked compartment.
I don't think that is an accurate statement. The typical legal language is "Not readily accessible" and "in a locked container".
I think you're conflating the older laws about vehicle carry. KY and several other states allow non-permit holders to carry a gun in a vehicle without a carry permit in an OEM compartment in the car. Even the restrictive states and also federal law regularly cite locking containers as being required for transport. Here in KY, the recent enactment of constitutional carry also makes this moot. If you can carry a gun on your person sans permit in KY then having a gun in your control in a car under any condition is also now legal.
I'd be real curious to learn if I'm wrong. A law that requires storage in an OEM compartment is stupid. If there is one I'd like to hear about it so I can talk to my state reps to get it fixed.
I had an amazing time, getting to shoot basically every service rifle used in WW2 all in the same day was awesome.
Many thanks to the guys who shuttled my girlfriend and I up to the range and back down again. To the gentleman who gave us a ride back down (whose username I didn't get), the racks I use for my ammo cans are the MTM AC4C. Next time we're definitely borrowing a truck and maybe camping for the weekend.
If you are worried about damaging the firing pin dry firing the solution is SNAP CAPS
https://www.amazon.com/Zoom-Luger-Precision-Snap-Pack/dp/B0002IKANW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498161694&sr=8-1&keywords=snap+caps
Get a small safe like this while you live on campus to keep your shit in.
http://www.amazon.com/SHOT-LOCK-S-SLC01-02-ShotLock-Solo-Vault/dp/B007UT14FO
You have to buy something. We're not being ass holes, get something to keep your daughter safe. I don't care how little room you have. If you can't keep the gun locked up, the gun needs to go.
There are quick access single pistol safes... biometric is the high end... the 4 finger combo is cheaper.
I'll try and find some links.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A75EVJO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5Y8vCbX3MC4D2
Dear OP, since it seems you are honestly curious for discussion, I will provide a thorough and honest breakdown as to why Jim's presentation on gun control can be considered, at best, low-blow hyperbole and satire that is not constructive in the discussion of gun control in the USA.
0:00~1:30 - Jim states government mandates on guns have worked in Australia and acknowledges some general cultural differences in the US. Jim dismisses high profile shootings that have happened in Australia post mandate (granted it is not nearly as bad as what happens in the USA)
Pt.1, 1:30-5:00 - Jim states the only argument for having a gun is that one likes guns, that they increase risk of domestic tragedy, and are not a viable solution for home protection. In examining the possible (and very unique) benefits of having a gun, it's more than just simply "I like guns" (and I promise I will elaborate on that later). In regards to suicide, the USA is not a statistical leader; countries with stricter controls such as France, Japan and S.Korea have higher suicide rates. In regards to responsible storage, there are solutions that lock guns away from curious children while allowing quick access should they be required.
Pt.1, 5:00~6:45 - Jim mocks the suggestion that armed staff at schools could reduce the damage from school shooters, describing staff as lacking qualification or incentive. Some school districts have regular police officers to be security at schools, often carrying their duty weapons while fulfilling their regular duties.
Pt.1, 6:45~7:15 Jim reels it all back saying not everyone agrees with him, but this is just a stand-up routine, so don't get all wound up. Well, thanks Jim! It's not like gun control supporters are going to take you seriously and share this link on social media to make their case, compelling me to write a serious response to your admittedly not so serious comedy routine. But you do take this seriously, as the ratings for this video are disabled, and you delete any comments containing thoughtful and honest disagreement.
Pt.1, 7:15-7:45 Jim addresses those who disagree with him, saying they're upset because he has "good points." No you don't, you dishonest hyperbolic gaslighter. If good comedy is about making light about the hard truths of life, please do better with your facts next time.
Pt.2, 0:00~2:15 - Jim is right that the first amendment protects him as he criticizes other amendments, and that they are not sacred as they are amendments, after all. So, here's what it takes to change the constitution, specifically in regards to repealing the 2nd as other amendments have in the past. Easy!
Pt.2, 2:15~3:00 - Slavery strawman. Slavery is antithetical to the ideals of human rights and freedom. Firearms have unique qualities in promoting freedom (again, will get into that, I promise).
Pt.2, 3:00~4:00 - Jim says it's the negligent 1% that screws up what responsible people should be allowed to do. Generally, that is the case. Gun control in the USA, for the most part, has been expanding for the past 100 years, most of it failing due generally to a lack of enforcement.
Pt.2, 4:00~5:00 - Unfunny and unproductive sidestep into Descartes foundational philosophy; moving on.
Pt.2, 5:00~6:15 - Jim says guns are too easy to buy (and that they can be delivered, which is mostly false). Jim jokes at the idea of a black market, saying crazy people won't have as much access to them. This may be true, but like with the prohibition, this incentivizes organized crime. And with enough guns to arm every human in the USA, manufacturing capabilities such as machining and 3D printing, all of which has a better shelf life than moonshine, a black market is a very real possibility.
Muzzle loaded guns can be shipped through the mail
Pt.2, 6:15~7:50 Jim makes fun of the idea that a militia can resist a government force that is technologically superior. Funny enough, this is used as an argument for why either a) the power of the federal government be limited (legally and militaristically) or b) that militias should be allowed to own more than just rifles. Vietnam and Iraq prove that guerrilla militias can exhaust the US military. If the government does become tyrannical, they would need to break significant red tape to deploy the full capabilities of the US military on the homeland (see the Posse Comitatus Act, restricting such deployment). Militias would likely be lead by veterans to fight against what remains of the US military that can be deployed and has not defected over unconstitutional orders. A tyrannical government that would break through this red tape would effectively become delegitimized, fragmenting the US into civil war. As terrifying as this sounds, the 2nd Amendment helps ensure that an emerging dictatorship cannot easily exploit the resources and people of the union. The better armed a populous, the more expensive and exhausting it will be to keep them under the boot.
And before I go, I'd like to cash in on some identity politics because it often seems to be all the rage with those who support gun control. I'm a 2nd Gen immigrant to the USA, and my parents were refugees escaping a tyrannical regime. Their generation had to take up arms to buy time to escape. Those who were not so lucky were imprisoned, forced into labor and worked to death, buried in mass graves. I find it tragically ironic that gun control advocates are quite often the same people who would call Trump the 2nd Hitler, because if that is the case, then get ready to be the 2nd Warsaw Ghetto uprising. I understand there's a preference to more peaceful measures in making a more perfect union, and we should keep it that way. But if limited only to free expression and protest, change might not happen at all. Just ask the thousands of students who participated in the 1989 Tienanmen square protests. Oh wait, you can't.
If you made it this far, thanks for taking the time. If not, hey, I'll save this the next time someone shares this unproductive rambling from Jim as if it carried sound wisdom. **edit: formatting
Something like this?. It's easily hidden, It has a cable that can be used to keep the safe from being stolen, and it's quickly opened.
Edit: Also consider sticking these on your windows. They're cheaper than a full security system and will give you needed time if you are asleep and something is opened.
Here you go. $100 shipped. Not too heavy but will keep honest people honest and them out of sight.
In the United States our national average police response time is 11 minutes. That's a long time if someone is armed and breaking down your door. People really shouldn't rely on the the police to keep them safe.
At very least get one of those cheapy $20 lockboxes that attach under the seat with a cable.
Literally 2 days ago I was picking up my newest firearm from my LGS and they got 2 calls in the hour or so I was there asking if a stainless Smith & Wesson, a Glock something or other, and then a third one (don't remember) happened to be sold them.
From the sounds of it he said in our area there's been a rash of car break-ins. I also follow the local/surrounding police Facebook pages and have seen it confirmed on there.
If you have to leave it, LOCK IT UP!
Otherwise you could inadvertently add to the "ghost guns" bad guys use and that the media loves to report about.
They also have MTM ACR7-18 Ammo Crate Utility Box on sale for $11.49, but it is OOS. You have to change seller to Amazon. This is also the lowest historic price per CamelCamelCamel.
In addition to MTM AC4C Ammo Crate (4-Can for $24.99 which is also the lowest historic price from Amazon
no such thing as a standard glove compartment, but yes there are small vaults What are the dimensions of your glove compartment, you could probably MacGyver something up
This. I have had one in my car and its very sturdy, i would recommend getting the improved cable with it.
Here's what I use. The cable can be wrapped around the bedframe or something solid. Unlock it when you're home and lock it up when you leave. Not meant to save your gun in a burglary, but it's enough to keep honest people honest.
I don't own one, but apparently the Fort Knox ones are amazing. They're pricey and large, but it all depends on your ultimate goal.
We can give you better recommendations when we know the answers to these questions.
SentrySafe Pistol Safe, Quick Access Biometric Gun Safe, Single Gun Capacity, QAP1BE https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_MDcRAbC4FZZJF
Awesome little nightstand safe.
The fingerprint has worked so far, but the keypad is as fast the old safe it replaced.
Having the lid open with a gas strut was the clincher for me, just because of how my nightstand is set up.
Dude, getcha some snap caps instead of chambering live rounds for practice.
This is what I use for my nightstand pistol Amazon - GunVault
Works great, can open it in the dark and no finicky fingerprint scanner (Though they have one with that option). Goes great in a drawer.
This would work good under the bed or on a closet shelf.
As far as what to use for a rifle... something like This under the bed or behind the headboard maybe?
Is he a Vietnam veteran by chance? I knew an older guy who did something very similar to this, had undiagnosed PTSD from Vietnam and was convinved that one day charlie would be back to finish the job, hence a bolt action in the attic. Anyways, something like this is good for night stand or drawer use because it's quick and small enough to conceal such a place. Obviously someone could just walk away with the safe so you'd have to bolt/screw it to the stand to keep it secured.
these
That choice depends on how much protection you need, how big it is, and your budget. The cheapest pistol box is Stack-On PDS-500. You'll need to either disable mechanical key override on it or replace it with Abloy. While you have it open you might also want to put a piece of metal to protect the solenoid from being activated through the hole in the corner (look for YouTube video that demonstrates this exploit). Stack-On makes similar lockboxes, but bigger.
Anything from Liberty Safe is good to go if it's within your budget.
If you have traffic in your house, (Especially of the kid type) Get a digital locking safe, preferably one with a backup key.
Example: http://www.amazon.com/Stack-On-PDS-500-Drawer-Safe-Electronic/dp/B002KEIU4W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334582257&sr=8-1
I also really like the Winchester PDX ammo for Home Defense. If you are worried about wall penetration the Power-Ball will buy you some peace of mind, but the jury is still out on it. I usually keep on hand enough HD ammo around for 2 mags of whatever my current HD gun is.
Finally.. SHOOT YOUR HD AMMO. So many people don't use it due to the price. But you need to make sure that that the ammo performs properly in the gun.
Yes, but this one. They don't offer much security beyond what a locked glovebox does, but they're better than nothing. I have a tether for mine as well.
This
I wouldnt consider it a "safe" but it locks securely enough for my taste when I have to leave my gun in my Jeep, I just have it tethered to the seat frame, or I have it tethered to my rollcage in the back.
I recently moved away from deck boxes and am using this parts organizer. (Stack-On DCOG-10)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHY9RA/
Each small bin easily holds a sleeved EDH deck. When the cover is closed the cards will not slide out of their bin. I paid $12 but it seems to have gone up in price.
Amazon has a bunch!
Really Small
17" Wide
This. I have a Fort Knox pistol box in the bedroom it will hold 3 mid sized pistols and I welded one of these into my Wrangler it's smaller and will hold one up to full sized pistol (P226 is close but fits).
I had an electronic gun vault but the buttons stopped working and then I saw this video showing how quickly they can be compromised! Simplex locks have their downsides too, with enough time you can try all combos and eventually get in but they are much more reliable than electronic or biometric alternatives usually faster too.
Their larger shotgun box would likely fit your M92 if the pistol box is too small.
SentrySafe Pistol Safe, Quick Access Biometric Gun Safe, Single Gun Capacity, QAP1BE https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_TX5YAbZJ2T8DC
I just got safe so far it's not bad. At the end of the day any safe can be broken into. It was a good price and it will keep my kids out lol
https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-QAP1BE-Biometric-Handgun-Capacity/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=sr_1_14?keywords=gun+safe&qid=1569975877&sr=8-14
If the center console doesn't work for you here is what I use.
I have an older vehicle with practically no console. If someone were dedicated enough I know this wouldn't do much but it's better than nothing.
use these
I use hard containers like this MTM AC4C Ammo Crate (4-Can)
As everyone else said, a gun is no use to you if it's not on your person.
That being said there are certainly instances where I have had to secure my firearm going into areas that restrict firearms, or if I'm gonna have a few drinks.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00TONRU9S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473313012&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=car+lock+box&dpPl=1&dpID=51vQukcFrKL&ref=plSrch
That's the exact same safe I use. Uses a steel cable that goes through the car seat to secure the box. While it won't keep the determined criminal from prying open the box, it is much more secure than a glove box and will stop smash and grab thieves.
I have a few 50 cal cans but for $20 you can get a new MTM Ammo Box that holds 3.2x as much ammo. I doubt I'll be buying any more 50 cal cans.
You can buy snap caps to practice with as well: https://www.amazon.com/Zoom-Luger-Precision-Snap-Pack/dp/B0002IKANW
This way you can safely practice racking the gun and clearing malfunctions.
Oh, and don't forget the 4 universal rules of gun safety!
There are a lot of components to firing off a good shot and as a new shooter, it can be tough to keep them all in mind: You need to have good trigger control, you need to focus your eyes on your front sight, you need to have a consistent and firm grip, your stance needs to be consistent and steady, you should time your shots to your respiratory pause to maximize accuracy. All of that is what you need to achieve, and as you get more experienced, you'll see how all of these components work together.
Anticipating recoil can be addressed from two angles, both of which involve focusing your mind on something other than anticipating when the trigger will break the shot: Actively thinking about maintaining front sight focus and actively thinking about trigger control. With practice, you'll be able to do both at the same time.
A good exercise that will address both of these is dry firing. The objective is to practice focusing on your front sight while manipulating the trigger in a manner which does not disturb sight alignment. You'll need an unloaded pistol and a featureless wall. Get a good thumbs forward grip on the pistol and aim at the wall. Make sure to pick an area without markings because you don't want anything to pull your focus away. Focus your eyes on the front sight. The rear sight should be blurry and you should be able to make out lots of detail on your front sight. Now place your finger on the trigger and slowly apply straight rearward force... slowly and steadily increase that pressure until the trigger breaks. Don't think about "pulling" the trigger, just think about increasing pressure. While you're thinking about pressure, keep your eyes focused on your front sight. If it moves, stop putting pressure on the trigger and start from the beginning. Do this until you get 10 good clean trigger breaks in a row.
The next time you go to the range, dry fire a few times before you run any live ammo through your pistol. If you find that you're still anticipating recoil, try the ball and dummy drill: You'll need some snap caps and some live ammo. Have your brother load you up a mag with a random distribution of snap caps and live ammo. Shoot at your target and treat it as a dry fire drill. If you manage to keep the pistol still even on snap caps, congratulations! If not, stop the drill, do 10 perfect dry fire reps, and run the ball and dummy again.
I know it's a lot to take in, but trust me that all of this will make sense and get easier the more you do it. It's not a bad idea to keep a personal training log and plan the drills you will run ahead of time. Just be honest with yourself and you will improve.
>A lot of people in my neighborhood had guard dogs but they are often neglected
That doesn't mean you have to neglect your dog.
>trips with me because it's too much of a pain in the ass to find somebody to take care of their pet.
I have two dogs, and having them is more valuable to me than going on trips all the time. I don't have chilrdren (yet), so to me they are my children and I love spending time with them. Having them has added to my life, whereas I look at what you said and it seems like having a dog would take away from it.
>As for guns, I feel much safer without
I can respect your opinion, but feeling safe and being safe and two different things. Even the fastest response time for a police department is still minutes and an altercation only takes seconds. I don't want a shoot out in my living room either, but to protect myself and my family i'd do it in a heartbeat.
> I'm kind of glad the guy got away
that makes you house a target for future burglaries. House burglars often come back, because most the of the time people will have all the items stolen replaced via insurance. I've known people who have had their homes broken into upwards of 8 times, a few times while they were home asleep.
>roommates samurai sword proved how weapons should not be in the house during huge parties
gun safe
I think i've poked enough holes in what you said. I'm not trying to be rude or a dick, I just don't like it when people don't feel the need to protect them selves. I look at my home defense gun like I do seat belts. I've been driving for almost 15 years now and I've only needed my seat belt once... but the one time I needed it, it saved my life.
or buy one of these
Not the same one (another person linked you to that) but I will say this other, similar case has been great for me.
Stack-On DCOG-10 Deluxe Deep Cup Parts Storage Organizer with 10 Removable Cups https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004EHY9RA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_gp5IxbDFWF1EQ
It's incredibly sturdy and can fit even large EDH decks plus tokens in a single cup. I use it for holding all my duel decks as well, and the wide cups are great for general storage (mana station, tokens, dice) or for holding oversized cards for planechase or archenemy.
I've got about six of those cases and they are fantastic.
This!
http://i.imgur.com/ZqaXiu9.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHY9RA/ref=cm_cr_ryp_prd_ttl_sol_1
hard, modular and portable :-)
Can fit upto 12 decks or 11 with space for lots of tokens/dice etc.
Fort Knox pistol box with simplex lock. They make a few sizes and have some with a door on the frong or on the top. Lag screw it into the studs in a closet where it would be difficult to get a pry bar in.
Example A and example B.
I just recently bought a KRISS Vector GEN II CRB a couple of days ago as my new primary home defense weapon. I'm still waiting for it to be delivered to my FFL. I wrote a detailed comment justifying my decision to go with a 9mm carbine that you can read here if you're interested. TL;DR version: Not enough people are considering how insanely loud their self-defense firearms are.
As to which accessories I plan to add to it once I get my hands on it, first and foremost, an INFORCE WMLx. I also have an Aimpoint Micro T-2, a 33-round Glock magazine, and some 147-grain 9mm Federal HST rounds (standard pressure) waiting for it. That's it. A weapon light is really all that you need on a home defense weapon in my opinion. I honestly don't think that red dot sights are really needed for home defense; I just have one because I'm a gun nut that likes to buy gadgets.
As to safes, I bought a few of these cheap biometric safes from Barska and hid them in closets throughout my house. I didn't really plan to store firearms throughout my house in order to deal with a home invasion; but it became a convenient way to justify my gun collection. I've been considering upgrading to safes that are disguised as furniture, but I'm probably going to wait until I move before I do that. Right now the cheap Barska safes are working fine for me.
Can anyone recommend a cheap firearm locker that doesn't have egregious QC problems, give you problems getting your carbine out to shoot an intruder, or can be pried open with a simple crobar?
I'm thinking about BARSKA Quick Access Biometric Rifle Safe, but its really bugging me paying $300 for something that doesn't shoot. Small size is oddly desirable, in my circumstances. Any ragingly positive reviews on STACK-ON products?
Yeah, I've thought about that too, it would take me several minutes to access my long guns. I normally have to do the combo 2 or 3 times in very un-stressful times, but now imaging trying to do it under extreme stress. One reason I keep my bedside gun (Glock 41, fully loaded and light attached) in a quick access safe that takes four rapid button presses to unlock. I can do that one in the dark, under stress in just seconds. SVB-500 GunVault. Still secure enough to keep a 5year old away from it, but I can get it when I need it.
It doesn't cost $500
For the shotgun I'd look into something like this or this rather than relying on security through obscurity.
The Stack-On style stamped steel gun cabinets work just fine. While they aren't safes (they are never meant to be) they will keep your guns away from the kids so long as they don't have the key. Keeping them away from sneaky kids and people who wander off during your house parties are what gun cabinets are made for. The problem with cabinets and lock boxes is that people buy them assuming that theieves can't get into them. Its simply just not what they were designed for. They are designed for semi-supervised storage and to keep kids out. An adult with a crowbar is going to get into them with enough time. They aren't intended to be anti-theft safes. With enough time any thief will get them open with just a couple hand tools, but that goes for ANY lockbox or cabinet. Unless you got the money to spend 1500 bucks or more on a real safe then anything you keep your guns in will only have an attack rating of about ten minutes.
You can also look into something like this
http://www.amazon.com/SHOT-LOCK-S-SLC01-02-ShotLock-Solo-Vault/dp/B007UT14FO/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1411013821&sr=1-1&keywords=shotlock+vault
They keep you gun more readily accessible in the event of a home invasion but your kids still can't discharge it if they are fucking around with it while your not home. That being said just like just like any lockbox or cabinet that isn't a 1500 dollar + floor safe a thief with enough time will get into it or rip it out of the wall and walk off with it to open it somewhere else.
http://www.amazon.com/SHOT-LOCK-S-SLC01-02-ShotLock-Solo-Vault/dp/B007UT14FO Mounted to a stud in a closet should work. I have something similar and while not high security it does prevent access while still being easy to retrieve http://imgur.com/emAjhzq
I personally have a handgun-safe tethered under my seat. Not the most secure thing ever as a pair of bolt-cutters can defeat the tether. That said, still better than leaving it in a locked glove box as it likely won't be noticed and they may not have bolt-cutters on them at the time.
The travel won’t be that much of a hassle, I travel with my CC gun. It just needs to be empty, the ammunition separate from the gun, the ammunition in the original packaging preferably, and the weapon itself in a locking hard case. I just use a cheap all metal case big enough for a handgun like this: https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Portable-Handgun-Approved-Measures/dp/B00FATWGSU?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00FATWGSU.
The real question is what you’ll be doing in Las Vegas. If it’s gambling and bars you won’t be able to carry it much anyway so I’d leave it at home so it isn’t stolen from your hotel room.
This one does. It fits an XDs perfectly.
https://amzn.com/B00FATWGSU
Here's a cheaper, lower-risk, higher-readiness alternative to what most would recommend (quick access rifle safe, etc):
If you are only concerned with keeping it secure from your 1-year-old, a magnet on the wall might work.
You could easily mount it high enough that the buttstock is around your eye level, and you reach over your head to pull it off the wall. That'll keep your kids from getting access until they are a lot taller and stronger.
I have my home defense shotgun in the corner of the room next to our bed, and I use one of those magnets to keep it secured to the wall because our big dogs had a tendency to knock into it when they were playing or excited about breakfast.
Those magnets are VERY strong. I can put it in the palm of my hand, press the back of my hand to the fridge and the magnet will hold through my hand. 1 would easily hold an AR off the ground. 1 holds my 870 with 10+ shells in/on it.
This is the one I used and mounted through the wall to a stud (looks like it's rated for 25 lbs): http://amzn.com/B00LR454YU
It's very common for new shooters to hit low-left. There is a wonderful drill you can do to detect and solve this problem very easily.
Get a pack of these:
http://www.amazon.com/A-ZOOM-15116-Hunting-And-Shooting-Equipment/dp/B0002IKANW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457829953&sr=8-1&keywords=9mm+snap+cap
Have a friend load a few at random in a magazine filled with live rounds. They will feed normally and you won't know it's there until you press the trigger and hear a click instead of a bang.
Chances are, when that happens, you'll see the gun dip slightly down and to the left. Now you know what's wrong and you know how to fix it.
With the snap cap still in place, dry fire a few times, being careful not to let the sights move at all. Once you think you've got it, cycle the action to eject the snap cap, and try again. While you are being careful you'll be striking closer to the center of the target. If you remain careful, the next snap cap will reward you by showing that your sights haven't moved.
It's not uncommon for skilled shooters to balance a nickel across the front sight, and dry fire the gun without the nickel falling off. When you can do that consistently you'll be shooting very well.
A-Zoom 9mm Luger Precision Snap Cap 5 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002IKANW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2l76ybTBA8XF3
Better safe than sorry. Or I'm a chump that wasted $15 🤷
I personally use AZoom brand snap caps for 3 different calibers right now. I’m on mobile but here’s ugly link for Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/ZOOM-15116-Luger-Precision-Snap/dp/B0002IKANW/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?adgrpid=60126321110&dchild=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAq97uBRCwARIsADTziyYd4ypBPzhg5nrX-Ci4fPgeA_CaHIb7ij6dnvBQ4oHe3d5v1Q4ASgEaAqJXEALw_wcB&hvadid=274715289035&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=1014166&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t2&hvqmt=e&hvrand=17789535978156672764&hvtargid=kwd-301384168054&hydadcr=9851_9624876&keywords=a-zoom+9mm+snap+caps&qid=1574474801&sr=8-2
I think this is a better solution. Mount it under your bed. If the boogeyman comes in the night, reach down, key in the code with your fingertips, and the door springs open, releasing Mr. Sig and Mr. Sauer to go to work.
As a locksmith who'd dealt with numerous fingerprint reading systems, including those cheap Chinese ones on gun safes, I highly recommend something else. Service calls on devices with bad fingerprint readers outnumber service calls on similar devices with mechanical locks by 5 to 1, easy. I'd recommend something like a Gunvault electronic pushbutton, or a mechanical lock box based on the 5-button Simplex lock like this one. For a long gun safe, biometric is OK so long as there's a keypad override.
Basically, I wouldn't trust my life to one of those hinkey fingerprint readers.
Yep
Most kevlar are pull overs
Also these are nifty
Literally 6 seconds I would be armed and armored
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1396101020&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40
This is what my wife and I both have. We really like them. We bought ours at Cabela's but they're cheaper in Amazon.
I have a tall Gunvault. It's a bit flimsy, and could probably be opened with a small crowbar, but it seems secure enough for when I'm around. It's light enough that someone could just grab it and run, also.
The shelf is kinda silly, as it slides around and makes it tough to grab stuff on and below it. I took it out, and lean one pistol on each side.
The combination method works super fast, and I believe you can program a sequence that is up to 6 codes long, with 1-4 simultaneous presses in each code.
I don't know if this is helpful in any way, but I have the GunVault MultiVault (http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A), same brand, but a little bit bigger, and I use it at the very least twice a day, and it has never failed on me. I pull my gun out in the morning on my way to work, and then put it away when I get home, and have been doing that every single day for the last 2 years, same batteries as when I bought the unit even.
There are days where it's opened multiple times (gun range visit, wife practicing because she doesn't use it often, etc.) and it has not once let me down.
Hopefully that helps in some way.
I keep a GunVault Nano under my truck seat cabled around a seat post.
> a cheaper option right now
https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Lock-Black/dp/B00384755S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469718383&sr=8-1&keywords=gunvault+nano
Keep a eye on amazon. I got mine on sale for $15.
Key only: GunVault Nanovault 200 Nano Pistol Safe NV200 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00384755S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_LjpRBbCZ5WRDK
It's actually really easy, I've done it a couple of times now:
I own one of these. With the cable, you can secure it under one of the front seats.
I also like it for air travel, because the cable can secure to the suit case's frame (where the handle is internally), which makes it a lot harder for the TSA to "misplace" it.
BOOM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHY9RA/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
for all your card needs
[EDIT] OP - http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1pw895/another_magic_storage_idea_the_geek_tackle_box/
https://www.amazon.com/Stack-GCB-8RTA-Security-Assemble-Storage/dp/B004EYTD4W/
easier than building your own box. Check the length of your guns, though, 52" is kinda short for a shotgun and you may want a slightly larger model.
Since you acknowledge that it's temporary, let's assume expanding the collection isn't an issue.
Stack-On 8 Gun Cabinet gets the job done for under $100. You can usually find it at Academy for a similar price.
It says eight guns, but for "real" guns with scopes and stocks and such it's more like four long guns. Has a little shelf at the top for pistols. Plus, it's light enough that when you move you can just pack it up and take it with you.
If you're allowed to drill into the floor or walls, you can bolt it down and no one can carry it off without tools. Otherwise, I'd consider stacking a hundred pounds of ammo at the bottom.
Seguramente no conoces la V-Line Brute Heavy Duty Safe o la Fort Knox FTK-PB Simplex. Son muy buenas, échales un ojo.
+1 for the Fort Knox. I have the top open pistol box http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8 and love it, its worth every penny.
Where in the East Bay? We're damn near neighbors.
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The P226 is an excellent pistol, one of my personal favorites. However, the 9mm round is a bit on the hot side so you should use specialty rounds, e.g. hallow point, with less penetration. My home defense pistol is an H&K shooting .45 ACP.
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I suggest you also look into a quick open lock box. Something that you can open quickly but is still secure. I have one similar to this, https://smile.amazon.com/Gunvault-SVB500-Speedvault-Biometric-Black/dp/B006OGOHD0/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=biometric+gun+safe&qid=1559011515&s=gateway&sr=8-10, but you have to remember to change the battery every few months.
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I have no opinion of police surplus guns as I've never even looked at them.
It's only $155.95 on Amazon, but Gunvault has it for $444.99. That's cheap it if can get such a huge discount on Amazon. Cheap materials with a circuit board made in China.
https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SVB500-Speedvault-Biometric-Black/dp/B006OGOHD0
Or one with mechanical combination lock.
I use one of these. The fingerprint scanner works great, only takes a second to open. Accepts both mine and my wifes.
http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453998706&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=biometric+gun+sfafe
What is the other one you bought? There are a few on Amazon
Tac-Mag
GERO
PS Quick Draw
Fierce Defender
Fast Draw
EDIT: Saw this on related. Thoughts?
Idea
Doesn’t really matter, these are pretty sweet and r/gun deals seems to love em
MTM AC4C Ammo Crate (4-Can) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MU6ZAPG?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I use these plastic ammo crates
https://www.amazon.com/MTM-ACR8-72-Crate-Utility-Large/dp/B00T4XL4HM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1542088135&sr=8-3&keywords=mtm+ammo+crate
They hold quite a lot and have holes on them for padlocks.
I just got this.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01MU6ZAPG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
MTM's stuff is pretty good. Locks on both corners (if needed). Those ones I got are 30 cal ones (I can get 100 rounds of 12ga shotgun in them). I've also got 2 of their 50 cal ones.
I have one of the sheffield ones you linked to, but it doesn't stack well with the MTM ones.
Mild lecture: a $20 container similar to this won't defeat a prepared thief but it'll beat almost all smash and grab opportunists. There's really no excuse to not use one if you have to leave your gun in your car. They work great for your wallet and cell phone at the gym, too.
Also, you can open a suitcase with a pen
I'd recommend something like this
It's not perfect, but it should stop a maid or something from stealing cash as long as you secure the cable to something they won't be able to move.
My new tuppador is a MTM ammo crate, you can get then for around $15, are sealed, tough, have side handles and dont let light in.
I was using a rubbermade one but was hard to keep the humidity consistent cause the lid wouldn't seal.
I also had a few ammo crates already and like them.
MTM AC4C Ammo Crate (4-Can) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MU6ZAPG?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
The mtm stackable plastic ammo cans.
These but they were around $20 when I got em.
It sure is, here you go :)
I've been using these: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MU6ZAPG and will move some to akro bins for when I'm actually reloading.
I have seen these used and they work quite nicely. Unfortunately due to my truck only being extended cab I can't fit one laying flat behind me.
[MTM ACR8-72 Ammo Crate Utility Box with 7.25" Deep, Large, Dark Earth] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T4XL4HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_dUU5xbG8XQTX6)
Edit: silica packets are a good idea too. I can't find a way to use all 50 yet :( not enough ammo!
[Silica Gel Desiccants 2-1/4 x 1 1/2 Inches - 25 Silica Gel Packets of 10 Grams Each by Dry-Packs] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003DKQB02/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_VVU5xb5R30BEJ)
I have been using the MTM case guard containers. The one I have linked is the one I have been using, but they do have a lot of different sizes to choose from.
https://www.amazon.ca/MTM-ACR8-72-Crate-Utility-Large/dp/B00T4XL4HM/ref=sr_1_1/134-8462921-0828716?ie=UTF8&qid=1543161169&sr=8-1&keywords=mtm+acr8
I think this might be what you're asking for.
Were it up to me, I'd grab one of their larger ammo cans (or an ammo crate if you've really stacked them deep) and just chuck my mags in there. The foam seems like it'd keep things a little neater, though.
It is this MTM Box. I bought it from Amazon but I bought it for $28, not the $73 that is shows now. It currently contains 92 .303, 170 7.62x39, 159 .308, 180 12g, and 2219 22LR. There are layers.
EDIT: Here's the manufacturer's site. They have a dealer locator that shows a bunch of shops that sell their stuff in Canada.
I'm the Last Boy Scout.
I'm in a constant state of preparation for shit that's never going to happen, but as soon as I'm not... It'll happen.
There's these really great plastic ammo storage boxes I got from Amazon to keep all my overflow medical supplies in. (No, I'm not a survivalist.) And now I have one that is full of extra/overflow/not use EDC stuff.
But lets be honest: You can never have too many cool little metal boxes, and clip hooks, battery cases, aircraft cable screw-loops, and on and on.
You'd think I'd grow out of it. But after working in LE, growing up in the country, years of camping and backpacking, day after day working in hospitals... You just know the Apocalypse is going to hit when your in the bathroom at a rest stop in the middle of the Sequoia National Forest.
assuming you are loading factory 9mm Luger ammo (aka 9x19mm) this should not happen.
things I would check:
make sure it's assembled correctly. not a lot to go wrong here, I don't know if you could even put it back together wrong, but I am sure there are videos to guide you in insuring you got it right.
once loaded, pull the slide all the way back, and let it fly. don't pull it back, wait, and let it go. pull it back all the way and let it go all in one movement. if you are nervous about live rounds, get some snap caps. I use snap caps for dry firing, they are worth it just to have around.
A basic cleaning kit, a bottle of Break Free CLP, some disposable ear plugs, and a pair of safety goggles shouldn't run you more than $30 total and will be perfect for what you want. As you get more involved and buy more guns you'll buy more gear, better cleaning stuff (boresnakes and the like), you'll find an oil that you particularly like (personally, I'm partial to Militec and Strike Hold), and some fancy electronic ear-muffs and nice shooting glasses.
As far as a case, unless you're carrying an expensive rifle or custom match-grade pistol or you'll be rock climbing with it, you don't need a Pelican case. A $10 plastic pistol case with egg-crate foam inside will suffice for just about everything you will be doing with your pistol. I know you said you already ordered snap-caps, but I have to recommend the A-Zoom aluminum caps. The plastic ones break too easily.
If I could give you one piece of advice it would be this: I know that it's fun to buy every accessory ever made for your gun, but honestly most of them are more gimmicky than useful. Start simple and cheap and buy things as you need them. Learn from other shooters what works and what doesn't and make friends that will let you try their gear, guns, and accessories so that you aren't buying blindly. Everyone is different and what works for one person may not work well for you.
Good luck and welcome to the club!
Snap caps and 50 rounds of .22lr?
Here's the caps:
http://www.amazon.com/A-Zoom-Luger-Precision-Snap-Caps/dp/B0002IKANW
On second thought you could get a nice little Kershaw knife for $20..
Get some of these.
You'll get better.
I've found that on my striker-fired pistol (a Glock), I'm actually much more accurate and much less likely to flinch if I take quicker, more decisive trigger pulls. Slowly trying to squeeze off aimed shots I would be all over the place, but quicker follow-up shots I'd be much more accurate. Think I came to realize that being too slow with trigger pull I'd feel it budge and creep to right where it was about to break, and that'd telegraph "imminent shot" to my brain and I'd flinch. Taking a slightly quicker and more decisive pull made for a crisper, cleaner break and less movement.
I like the idea of randomly throwing in some snap caps in my magazines. Like take a few mags, load them and randomly throw a snap cap or two in each, and mix them up so you won't know if your next shot will be live or not. Should help in being able to tell what you're doing when the gun goes 'click' and you see where your front sight is pointed.
To add to this, you can buy dummy rounds (typically red or a different color than brass). You can use these to safely practice loading, cocking, reloading, etc... They are also good for dry fire exercises.
http://www.amazon.com/-Zoom-Luger-Precision-Snap-Caps/dp/B0002IKANW/ is an example.
They're basically inert dummy rounds (usually plastic or lightweight metal with some polymer where the primer normally sits to absorb the impact of the firing pin). They have them for all the popular calibers. They're great for dry-fire practice too :)
Here are the ones I use in my 9mm: AMAZON LINK
Best no nonsense storage is an ammo can. You can get them at a military surplus store for like $10.
Amazon has them a bit pricier but still good.
http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-50-Caliber-Ammo/dp/B000J4HXUC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1405489615&sr=8-3&keywords=Ammo+cans
They are airtight, designed by the military to keep ammunition and explosives moisture free.
The smelliest stash can be right under you and you'd never smell it. It has the upside of having way more room than a mason jar.
I think it's a waste of time. Buy a few GI ammo cans (can be found cheaper elsewhere), and store your ammo in them. Maybe put a desiccant in there, but it's probably not necessary. I line my cans with cardboard and just put the ammo in there.
The lids have a gasket that is air tight. That ammo will outlast you. Honestly, it would probably outlast you just sitting on your closet shelf in the box you bought it in, but this provides some extra protection and allows you to more easily transport your ammo.
I have a Gunvault that sits on my nightstand. I can unlock it in no-light situations if need be.
Gunvault GV2000C-DLX Multi Vault Deluxe Gun Safe
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000O8VUR0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_h3EIAb94YJ3Q4
Also, consider this a good reason to buy another gun that you keep a weapon light mounted on. The safe I linked to has my P30L with Inforce light mount in the bottom shelf, and my daily P2000 goes in the upper shelf. As well as some extra mags, a knife, and an extra flashlight.
I've been eyeballing this one for a while. Seems like all the bad reviews are from tards who did it wrong or didn't read that the battery needs replaced every couple of years. I had this and gave it away because I didn't care for it. It would unlock properly maybe 3 of every 10 tries. Fuck that thing. Gunvaults suck IME.
Right now I've just got my carry 9mm on the kitchen counter and my home defense .45 on my nightstand which is nowhere near ideal.
You should buy it first and let me know so I don't waste my cash ;)
If you keep a biometric gun safe like this one near your bed you can get to your weapon quickly. If your bedroom isn't easily accessible from the ground floor it's going to take a bit of time between when you first notice someone breaking in and when they can get to you. It's not foolproof but it's a hell of a lot faster than the police.
I should mention, I actually have the two gun version of that safe. If you think you may buy a second firearm at some point, or want to stash a few valuables in there, the two-gun version might be a better option. It not that much larger floor-space-wise, but is a bit taller.
I've been a happy owner of a Gunvault for a while now. The particular model I linked has enough space for 2+ weapons and some other items, which is nice. The real reason I opted for this was the easy access (easily opened in under two seconds) and dual power supplies (110v and battery). You can also manually un/lock with the supplied keys.
For the price, I am happy with the purchase.
$90
Well that we can’t disagree on.
A safe will cost you $85 on Amazon (I use this one and recommend it) and it is your responsibility, the owner, to purchase one. If anybody carries a gun because “you never know”, so I’ll encourage y’all to buy one of these, cause you never know when you might bump into a place where people may ban it, even for political matters.
Truth is politics will always play a role, so if we, gun owners do our shit correctly, I wanna see anybody pointing fingers at our guns.
>so i just want to be able to not have to spend absorbent legal fees defending myself.
For sure, the best solution would be to change the storage requirement laws, like how the storage requirements in Washington DC were recently struck down by our supreme court because they prevented people from legally storing guns accessible for self defense.
I'm just talking about your options for now, without any change to the laws.
>unlock your safe
Is there a requirement of what type of safe? Can you use the rapid unlock handgun safes, like this?
>(mag must not be in the gun during storage)
Do they inspect your storage periodically, and do you have warning of when such inspections will occur? I can't see how that could possibly be enforced in the US with our right against unreasonable searches. If you have a warning of when the inspections will occur you could make sure you were complying with the storage requirement just for the inspections, and if you have to use the gun in necessary self defense just lie and say it was unloaded.
>of course both of those options take time which as you know is very precious in a home invasion
Indeed, which is precisely why I'm suggesting you should break the law and be prepared to lie about it because they will be unable to prove you broke the law. We have a strong spirit of civil disobedience in the USA, and we consider an unconstitutional law to not be a binding law at all, we often simply ignore laws we don't agree with and are prepared to defend ourselves in the court of law from the consequences later if necessary.
Excellent suggestion. This button operated Microvault can be had on Amazon for under $100.
I have two young kids and keep my handguns in Gun Vault handgun safes. Pretty simple safes, not too expensive.
My wife has her gun in hers, and i have my EDC/ home defense gun in mine. They are small and fit perfectly in my night stand drawer.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1418241706&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/
Concealment of the gun is 9/10 of the battle. Just don't put it somewhere obvious. We all refer to a "nightstand" gun but it's not sitting in a pedestal, under glass, on a nightstand.
Some people have a bedside holster that tucks into the mattress. Some people have a quick-release safe on their nightstand or in a drawer in the nightstand.
https://smile.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481139094&sr=8-1&keywords=bedside+gun+safe
https://smile.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1481139094&sr=8-5&keywords=bedside+gun+safe
As to being inebriated, that's more of a self-control thing. Don't touch the gun when you're drunk. Period.
My long guns are kept locked up but my handgun is by be bed in one of these.
A gun isn't a guarantee it's a chance in a self defense situation. That's all I ask for, an opportunity to defend myself rather than just sitting an waiting defenseless.
I am interested in this as well.
I purchased a GunVault GS 2000 a few years ago and it worked great, right up until it didn't. Apparently there's some kind of known problem with the internal mechanism? Anyway, it can only be opened with a key now, and GunVault has failed to return a number of emails to find out if it's repairable. I'm hesitant to buy from them again given all this, but I do like the style and usability...
I had one of these bolted to my closet's upper shelf for a long time. Easy to get at and open, it's a finger press combo not fingerprint, has key backup:
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=pd_sim_hi_5
There is also a larger version that has two compartments, separated by a small divider, my father has that one.
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=pd_sim_hi_4
This is where my loaded LC9 stays when I'm not home: http://www.amazon.com/Stack-On-PDS-500-Drawer-Safe-Electronic/dp/B002KEIU4W/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1330905050&sr=8-3
It's enough protection to know someone won't be pulling your gun on you when you get home. Something to think about investing in. It would save some wear on your gun/ammo too!
Fun fact: this little [1] safe is the reason I bought my first [2] pick kit.
I ordered and received this brand new mini safe and then put the keys in it like an idiot in order to move it to another room. Little did I realize that it would auto lock on me before I set it's first code. Sad panda big time.
Replacement factory key = same price as cheap lock pick set without having to document every aspect of my purchase.
Decision...decision...get a lockpick set and find out what lockpick skills I might have or order a replacement key for the same price and have to scan in and email all sorts of i.d.?
Got the pick set. Found out a monkey could pick this safe. You are a better picker than you realize. Give it a try. It's fun and the are lots of resources to learn about the mechanics of locks. The history of them is another very neat read.
Also, this safe would take some time to pry into with levers and hammers as it is fairly heavy duty for a cheapie. However, one pick and one tensioner could pick it in one second once you've practiced. Think about that. Thank god most criminals are idiots without pick skills.
Here's mine: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002KEIU4W/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Less than 50 bucks, simple 4 digit PIN number and a twist. Heavy and bolted to the drawer bottom.
Can it be defeated? Sure. Rip it out of the drawer and smash it to pieces with a crowbar and a hammer.
Is it easy and fast to open? Yep, unless you are hopelessly confused about the universal layout of a numeric keypad.
I can do it by feel in the dark in a few seconds. If that isn't fast enough, I am already in deep shit.
GunVault NV200 NanoVault 200 with Key Lock (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00384755S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_09paAbNQ53QR5
Good call on never leaving it in the car when you can avoid it.
When you can't avoid it, we had a local case where one of these was cable locked to the seat frame, and it was left in the vehicle. Everything else was taken, but they couldn't get it open or cut the cable before they bailed.
If someone's in a hurry and not prepared to deal with it, there's a decent chance of retaining your firearm.
Oklahoma state law:
FIREARMS IN VEHICLES
""Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle a rifle, shotgun or pistol, open and unloaded, at any time. For purposes of this section "open" means the firearm is transported in plain view, in a case designed for carrying firearms, which case is wholly or partially visible, in a gun rack mounted in the vehicle, in an exterior locked compartment or a trunk of a vehicle.""
Must Inform Officer
TITLE 21 § 1290.8. Possession of License Required-Notification to Police of Gun
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to fail or refuse to identify the fact that the person is in actual possession of a concealed handgun pursuant to the authority of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act when the person first comes into contact with any law enforcement officer of this state or its political subdivisions or a federal law enforcement officer during the course of any arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop. No person shall be required to identify himself or herself as a concealed handgun licensee when no handgun is in the person’s possession or in any vehicle in which the person is driving or is a passenger.
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I would by one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Style-Pistols/dp/B00384755S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345048748&sr=8-1&keywords=gun+safe+for+car
The hard case that came with my XD-9 doesn't meet TSA requirements because it can be pried open even with a lock on it. No problem, I just purchased a GunVault Nano for it, but was a little bit bummed out since the XD case was otherwise really nice (I like the foam cut-outs). I'm wondering if Springfield has improved on their cases with the XDM or XDS. Does your case look like it can be pried open even when a lock is in place?
yeah even with both of those you are just putting all of your money in a handy container, one even has a handle to nick it and run away while holding. If the idea is to keep the notes out of sight, it would work.
I was thinking something more like this. Lets you loop the cable around the seat frame so it would be a bit harder to get away.
Though the prices for it on UK amazon are pretty crazy high.
I have the Ruger LC9 - I keep it in my truck (inside one of these) when I'm not actually carrying. The trigger pull everyone is complaining about is not such a bad thing. With a pull like that, it will only discharge a round when you're serious, there will be nothing unintentional about it.
It's just me, but I think the last thing an inexperienced shooter needs is a EDC or HD handgun with too light of a trigger pull.
I use one of these. It has 12 cups, each which holds one of my decks.
Here's one cup all filled up, and here's what all goes into each one.
It's not technically the most efficient thing, but I rather like it even so.
Due to another suggestion on a different thread about this very subject last week, I went and got this on Amazon for $12:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHY9RA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And I love it. It's great. Can ultimately fit up to 12 decks, or less if you prefer storing dice in it as well. But it's awesome. Sturdy and easy to get the decks out. You can just pull each individual plastic container out to get out one specific deck.
I have one of these http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8 and I highly recommend it, easily holds 2 full size pistols with room for more (has 2 layers of foam). My brother has one of those $100.00 boxes and 2 kids, it feels like cheap Chinese junk compared to the fort knox, and I worry about his kids getting into it all the time.
This. Fort Knox has an awesome reputation as well.
I suggest the one that opens from the top, though. http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372266804&sr=8-1&keywords=fort+knox+pistol+box
I got this one and am fairly happy with it.
Fort knox
It fits either my p220 or sp-01 perfectly with 4 magazines, or both guns set yin-yang without extra mags.
I use this one as a bedside pistol safe.
https://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8
It is super durable, and I think the lock is a good blend of simple yet secure enough.
> post office / federal buildings
Be careful, the parking lot is considered federal land too.
>Seriously people they are like $20 to protect against smash and grabs.
That's probably not going to stop anyone, unfortunately. :/ When I was looking at small quick access lock boxes the best I could find was Fort Knox's pistol box. I know you said smash and grab, so I think anything that box would guard against is probably accomplished just by hiding your gun. IE: Take off that NRA sticker and stop wearing that ask me about my glock t-shirt. :)
The fort [knox] (https://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-Personal-Pistol-Safe/dp/B0075QMCNK/ref=pd_sim_200_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0075QMCNK&pd_rd_r=Z5TT4C8B28NQ5P2B2BR3&pd_rd_w=TyI32&pd_rd_wg=ghM7u&psc=1&refRID=Z5TT4C8B28NQ5P2B2BR3) pistol boxes are pretty good as far as these go. Bolt them to the floor though!
I noticed someone else recommend Liberty Safe, and though I'm sure they were recommending the full size options, I was browsing and noticed their pistol boxes. The Liberty biometric smart vault for handguns looks exactly like the Inprint. I've actually had decent luck with the Inprint in terms of it reading the finger print. They are definitely just a box of thin sheet metal though. I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but if I couldn't get a small normal gun safe, I'd consider the heaviest jewelry/document/cash style safe I could get, or maybe something like the Fort Knox pistol safe mounted somewhere.
IMO, forget the biometric safe since they rely on and external power source (or batteries), and also require the biometric reader mechanisms to function. I like to compare them to the biometric guns that were user specific and were a resounding failure when tried a years ago.
I like the simplex gun boxes much better. They require no power and are purely mechanical, and the simplex mechanism has been around for many years. Also you set the combination yourself. An example: http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8
This particular example is one of the more costly, but it has a pneumatic piston that throws the top open once the combination has been entered.
The barrel casts quite a shadow. I may switch it out for an [Inforce WML] (http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/inforce-wml-white-light-momentary-only_desert-sand/?gclid=CICoiPjDzrgCFRDZQgodpH0ARA), which looks like it gets a little bit more out there, but not as much as a dedicated light on a canted mount.
I really have it on there for the HD practicality, but take it off most trips to the range. While it is in the safe, I leave the light mounted with a magazine of 75gr Hornady Tap ready to go. A Glock 21 (with a TLR1S) lives next to the bed in a Fort Knox FTK-PB Pistol Box to help me get to the AR if needed.
I like mechanical, too. But took a chance and picked up the Barska Quick Access biometric a year ago and put in the upstairs closet. It's really just a biometric "safety cabinet" mounted to studs, but overall I'm satisfied with the purchase. I do recommend scanning multiple fingers, in case something causes interference with the scan (e.g. callus). It's been overall dependable and perhaps worth checking out, anyway.
But a prepared burglar w/ the right tools could open or walk out w/ it, given few minutes to spare.
There are lots of ways.. safe with a pin code, Biometric safe, or even something like this.
Eh, depending on the case you take shooting, whatever. I still don't really buy that people can't find the space for a lockbox (minimum under the law) or a safe.
Here's a rifle safe for $270, 9"x8"x42". Even an apodment can find space in a corner for that thing.
Edit: also these are minimum requirements. Nothing says you can't also use a trigger lock.
The fingerprint scanner on a $700 iphone is meh and you want to trust that technology on a $180 quick access safe containing the tool that can save your life?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGOHD0/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_1AmlDb242B334
It was a flash sale. tis over now:( I’m sorry, friend.
Lots of people have something like this.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGOHD0
I've got 5 (yes five) little girls, all from 1 year to 8 years old. I know the struggle because they see their dad and mom open/concealed carry daily and they're interested.
There are two steps to this, first good storage and second good firearms training for the kids. The firearms training for the kids won't kick in until they are 2-3+ in age, but something to keep in mind.
First for the gun storage: get a Gunvault SpeedVault SVB500 for pistols kept next to the bed. Mount that to your bed frame or night stand and it'll keep little fingers away.
Another option for storage that will be coming available this year (and works for rifle or pistol) is the IdentiLock. They're not cheap and I can't find a review of them, but I'd be willing to throw down $319 to test it.
The second part is child firearm training. This is not meant to be for ideal scenarios but as a last resort. You need to wait until they are intellectually old enough to comprehend this kind of conversation. But when it comes time, explain to them the dangers of guns and how kids die every year from playing with their parents' guns. Tell them that if they ever find a gun while they are alone to come tell you or mommy about it - for which they will receive a huge reward! My kids get 5 bucks and an instant trip to the ice cream store if they ever accidentally find an unattended gun.
We've never accidentally left one out, but one time my wife and I did intentionally leave an unloaded, triple checked airsoft gun out to see if they would follow through on what we told them to do. Within 2 seconds of walking into the room where we put it, my 7 year old daughter came running directly to me to tell me the gun was out. She got instant high fives, $5, and a double scoop ice cream cone. I pray to my higher power that I never accidentally leave it out ever, but I'm somewhat comforted that we've got a backup plan for it as a worst case scenario. But we rely on safe gun storage always.
Stay safe my friend!
Wait for this http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SpeedVault-SVB500-gun-safe/dp/B006OGOHD0 to go on sale and get it instead.
This might be ok if you live by your self, or in a house with all adults, or if the gun is kept unloaded...and this is in your bedroom...but then my initial reaction too was that it seemed to be in a bad location. If I ever decide I want a wall mounted shotgun, I would get one of these: http://www.amazon.com/ShotLock-S-SLC01-02-Shotgun-Solo-Vault/dp/B007UT14FO
http://www.amazon.com/SHOT-LOCK-S-SLC01-02-ShotLock-Solo-Vault/dp/B007UT14FO
The Sentry QAP1E might fit the bill depending on the size of the handgun you are wanting to secure. http://www.sentrysafe.com/Products/496/QAP1E_Digital_Pistol_Safe_
It has a backlit digital lock, barrel lock backup and includes hardware for mounting to a floor or shelf though you may need something self tapping to go through your cars floor. Its pretty well rated on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A75EVJO/
Like what? I doubt you can produce any effective method that is any quicker to operate than this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00A75EVJO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1425322127&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=handgun+safe
I have one of this safe in the truck with a braided steel cable tether. Takes me less than 5 secs to access. Worth checking out.
As a carry, sure.
If it's beside your bed in a nightstand or something like that, I'm a big fan of biometric, quick access safes. Lots of them are very quiet and will still provide you with quick access to what you need.
ex. http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Quick-Access-Pistol/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1
Quick access pistol safe, sometimes available at Costco for less: https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672
Alternatively, loaded magazine next to the firearm (nothing chambered) would have prevented this particular case, but not others.
I'm a fan of making a Federal tax rebate for the purchase of a gun safe, but with no legal requirement to have one. I think today would be incentive enough to help reduce these types of events.
There have been a couple of recommendations for tasers or stun guns, and I have to completely disagree with using any implement that requires you to get in close to your attacker to use. Unless you're a 6 ft plus amazon power lifter, you do NOT want to attempt to use these. You want to engage at a distance. If it's a man that enters your apartment and you confront him with one of these items, the chances that he will overpower you and use them on you is significant.
Just ask yourself, would you get into a fist fight with an intruder? No? Then don't try to use anything that requires this.
Based off your responses to firearms, mace or an equivalent might be a good option. You can always call the non-emergency line and ask to talk to a police officer. explain the situation and ask about the legality of mace or another chemical deterrent. If it's legal, ask him/her if they have a recommendation.
If you do consider a firearm, take classes on its use. There are usually resources available to women for just this scenario. Also, you don't necessarily need to buy a safe bolted to the floor. There are pistol safes that slide underneath the bed or in the closet that use biometric (finger print readers) to unlock the safe. Here's an example of one on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672
Granted this can only hold one or two, I have this biometric pistol safe. It is amazing. I was skeptical about fingerprint access at first but wanted to try it for its accessibility. I have had it for 6 months now and it works flawlessly being used at least twice a day. You would think it would be finicky to get it to read but I have tested swiping my finger just short of as fast as I can and it registers everytime. There's also key pad and key backups. If you want to know anymore, let me know.
This one.
I can't say it's everything I ever dreamed of but it's worked fine for me going on three years. Admittedly I don't get into it often but hey. I keep a P220 and a 92F in there...bit tight for those two but it works fine, and has room for a roll of cash besides.
Yeah, these safes are shit. /u/ManyInterests is absolutely correct. These are the same safes than can be opened with just a big magnet and a sock, and leave zero evidence of it's security being compromised (or just a magnet if you don't care about leaving marks).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBhfnIu9lTw
The safe in the OP can be opened in about 5 seconds with a cable tie. Couldn't get the link for the source video, but go to about the 2nd Amazon review down on the 1-star page and the video is there.
Like this. It's not bolted down, just connected via the cable to the bar under the seat. And the box is locked with a key.
Signs don't carry the force of the law in WA, you can do whatever until you're asked to leave. If concealed is concealed, you're highly unlikely to run into too much trouble unless you go into any off the off-limits places. Like you mentioned, bars are one of those places.
If I have to leave a gun in the car, I usually keep the gun in this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kc61xbYCVY1X4 with the cable wrapped around the base of the car seat. This is also good to have around in case you ever fly to a reciprocal state for CCW since it qualifies as a container to store your gun in.
SnapSafe Lockbox with Key Lock for Handgun Storage of Full Size Pistols https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_lN-6ybVBA54MA
This is the one I have. Many people have upgraded the cable and I recommend doing it. It's not 100% secure but I feel more comfortable leaving my extra mags in it and sometimes my firearm.
Grab yourself a cheap lockable steel container like this...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FATWGSU?psc=1
Screw it inside the closet (hallway bathroom etc - away from bedroom for reasons already discussed)... Either above or beside the door on the inside of the closet so the only way to see it is to be literally inside the closet looking for it. Use 2.5"-3" screws as mentioned previously. Done.
Invest in a safe even one as simpke as this will keep children friends and family who shouldn't be handling tue gun safe.
Your firearm should always be in a holster unless it is being fired or cleaned. Even when you "take it off for the day" it should come off while still inside its holster. Its always a bad idea to handle the firearm more than necessary.
You can get a cheap holster like a Remora for the truck gun which will allow you to both keep the firearm safe and easy to place it on your body if you ever need to.
That said anytime you leave a firearm inside a vehicle for any type of long term storage it should be secured to the actual vehicle. Something as cheap and simple as a Standard car vault that is tethered to the seat goes along way to prevent smash and grabs.
Long story short if you already plan to have a firearm on you at all times the truck gun is not needed.
Just get a rare earth gun magnet. Screw that to the bottom of your desk. Odds are it will hold your gun with or without a holster.
https://www.amazon.com/Tac-Mag-Gun-Magnet-25-Rating/dp/B00LR454YU
That's fair enough. Also, I'm probably thinking more of the magnetic storage mounts people put under tables and stuff. Something like this.
Any deals or ideas for magnetic mounts? I saw a Facebook post, once, that showed big magnets you can mount under your dash so your gun could stick to it and be easily accessible. I know that not all states allow this, but I don't care, because I want it for my house. Something I could mount against the side of my dresser or something and have a gun in hand the instant I hear a bump in the night.
EDIT - I found this after a quick search. Looks good, but I'd have to add padding. Any better recommendations or pricing? https://www.amazon.com/Tac-Mag-Gun-Magnet-25-Rating/dp/B00LR454YU
I have thought about picking up one of these for the center console in my Jeep. Might work for you too.
Snap cap drills helped me immensely. Subcompact barrels really exaggerate that flinch, which makes your shots go all over the place.
Video of a chick doing them.
You can also do that penny drill with the snap cap by putting the flat side (where the primer is) on your front sight.
It isn't so much an ammo type as it is a training device.
Snap caps allow you to consistently dry fire without damage to your firearm if it's of an older make. Also allows you to simulate a dud round, or - as OP has discovered - control against flinching to anticipated recoil.
I dont think I saw this recommended in here yet but sorry if it is. When I first started carrying I was too nervous about keeping one in the chamber. Thinking back now Im not sure why I was because I refused to buy a gun with a safety for carry purposes. Anyway, someone recommended me picking up a few Snap Caps to use for dry firing.
Well I decided to load my firearm with the snap cap and then do my normal activities around the home. Surprise surprise, no accidental discharges. I decided to take it a step further and did things I normally wouldnt be doing. Jumping jacks, rolling around on the ground, and anything else that could possibly make it go bang. Nothing. Worked my way up to practicing unholstering, dry firing, racking the slide and reholstering. Never had it unintentionally fire (snap cap.)
So that was it. It gave me the confidence that its never going to go bang unless you stick a finger in there and pull the trigger. Follow the safety rules and you will be good to go.
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As for comfort try out a different holster and or position. Also make sure you're using an actual gun belt. Using an actual gun belt made a world of difference for me. Also if you a skinny dude, give appendix carry a try. Check out the G-Code INCOG holster. You can check out the video from Travis Haley here: INCOG Appendix Holster Appendix carry works great for deeper concealment and is perfect for the sitting position. Also allows for extremely fast draw and reholstering. Good luck!
They're not exactly pretty but I would recommend going to an army surplus store and picking up an ammo can. They're water and fireproof and you can usually find them in various sizes. Great for documents or just old valuable crap.
I was just saying you could do something like this. If you have power tools and some modding inclination it shouldn't be too bad, depending on how nice you want it to look. Amazon link to an ammo can, I'm sure you can get them cheaper elsewhere (surplus store if you have one nearby).
You can generally get ammo cans in the US at military surplus stores, which will generally look a bit aged, or order a new one online for ~$30.
Yep, those are good to have! I stick my battery in the bag when charging and I also store them in the bag and the bag goes in an ammo can. I don't know if you have read this yet, but if you charge your battery to full, and you are not going to use them for a couple days, make use to use the "battery store" on the B6, it discharges the battery to a safe voltage to be stored. They shouldn't be stored at full charge for more then a couple of days.
Also, look into getting one of these. It lets you check each cells voltage. Sometimes the charger can screw up, so this is a cheap doulbe check to make sure the batteries are balanced. It also doubles as a warning buzzer for your quad. When you are flying, it will start to buzz when your battery gets down to a certain voltage so you do not discharge the battery too much, which also causes damage.
I'll definitely post the whole project sometime! I live in North Carolina, USA. What I did was buy one of these:
http://amzn.com/B000J4HXUC
I cut a square out of it and glued/caulked a 1/4" plexiglass pane over it, which I pointed the camera out of. I drilled a hole in the back just big enough to run a cut power cable through and wire the end back to it on the inside, glued and caulked it. It's definitely 100% weather-proof. The only problem I foresee is it getting too hot in the dark metal case. Time will tell when summer comes!
I wrote a python program to take a picture and store them on an SD card, and I'm still working on the code for it. It'll be a work in progress for a while improving it. I installed a Ras-Clock so if the power went out, it would still know when to pick up and take the next frame.
For the print server, I just use something called CUPS. I started here:
http://www.raspberry-pi-geek.com/Archive/2013/01/Converting-the-Raspberry-Pi-to-a-wireless-print-server
It's pretty simply to set up on the client end once you get it configured. All I need it to do is print, and that's what it does.
you mentioned something for "all my family's guns"... how many are we talking and what kind?
like someone else mentioned - both can be easily defeated - heck even some of the better options just slow people down. you mention that someof the lock boxes can be taken - very true. i have a cable connected to my gunvault safe which is then again connected to the bed. can this be defeated? sure.. but hopefully the alarm going off will mean that theyre trying to take the easy stuff. here is the one i have i got it for just over $100 at a gun show. to answer your question - theyre kept loaded and ready to go.
i only store my carry guns (well and also my kids xbox controller when he gets in trouble) in there... otherwise theyre all in a safe thats bolted to the foundation of the house.
good luck with your search
https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000C-DLX-Multi-Vault-Deluxe/dp/B000O8VUR0
the deluxe line has a AC/DC adapter plug with a battery backup.
I have two young children in the house, who are definitely of the age to get in to things they shouldn't. I also own multiple firearms, including handguns.
They are all kept locked in one of two safes - one for the long guns and ammo, and a smaller one for the pistols that is beside the bed.
I am of the personal opinion that a long gun (shotgun or rifle) is better for home defense than a handgun, but that's just my opinion. You could do much worse than this.
If you live in or near [redacted] I'd be happy to take you and your wife shooting :)
i use a glock 22 for HD (getting a 9mm conversion barrel with my next paycheck)
i keep it on my nightstand in this safe that i close when i leave the house and leave open when im home
i keep my ARs unloaded in a locking gun rack on my wall with a loaded 40 round mag in my night stand just in case
Here's a better area to check out.. Has a list of all of their types of vaults.. Don't pay super close attention to the prices.... they are much cheaper than what's listed on their site.
The Microvault is about a hundred bucks..
I have this micro safe. I like it cause the fast access, internal battery, holes on bottom for mounting and it comes with a half decent security tether. Of course some bolt cutters could probably cut it. But it is pretty nice.
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370903819&sr=8-1&keywords=micro+safe
But for your case I'd recommend
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SpeedVault-SV500-gun-safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1370903880&sr=1-2
Fast access and you can bolt it to a stud. I just prefer the fast access for if I'm home during a burglary. There is not going to be a safe that is cheap and portable that is going to prevent a determined burglar So like other users said I'd secure the apartment better as well.
Gun goes in safe, holster goes somewhere else.
Fort knox makes some awesome pistol safes if those will work. if not you can replace the lock on this one: https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1467333014&sr=8-9&keywords=handgun+safe
with a really awesome lock and be set.
watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yr6ATdaDQ8
You don't know much at all about gun safes, do you? Hell no I'm not leaving my gun around where my kids can get it. But, you're right. I do need to access it very quickly.
Here's what any respecting home protector will use. You see, I (AND ONLY I) can access it almost as quickly as if it were just lying around. But, you see. Only I can access it.
It's clear you don't like guns, but I urge you to go take a handgun safety class. You'll really get a lot out of it, and it might demystify some aspects of gun safety for you. Gun safety is not only practiced when guns are in the room or in the hand. Gun safety matters from the time you buy the gun to the time you get rid of it. I'm not even suggesting buying one, nor am I trying to convert you. You just seem really misinformed.
To combine 4 and 5 for a second, thinking about someone who has minimal extra budget and is looking to buy a handgun for themselves. Let's say they can only afford a Hi-Point C9. With an MSRP of $150, that is something that someone who has a limited income might be able to afford. Lets say, plus a box of 50 rounds of ammo for $20 so they can practice shooting? thats $170 to protect themselves and/or their family. Now, lets be clear, this is far from what I would recommend to someone who can afford to spend more money, but $170 is a fair amount of money to some people. Now lets say they have to pay the $25 fee, so we are up to $195. And they need to buy a quick access safe because they have kids around the house but need to actually be able to access the firearm in case of an emergency. So that's another $85. We are now at 280, instead of $175; nearly a 50% jump in cost for someone who is already scraping by. and that's assuming they are just buying a pistol. If they want to buy a rifle, which by every measure other than concealability is a better tool to defend yourself with (and which you would prefer in a home defense scenario), your cost would look more like this:
Rifle Cabinet, non-quick access - $125
HiPoint Carbine, again, hipoint not recommended, but the cheapest is MSRP of $315
Admin fee, aka tax - $25
Training Course, lets assume this concealed carry primer is comparable in scope/cost to what would be required by law? - $40
Box of ammo - $20
That nets us out to $520; $190 more than would be otherwise necessitated.
Anyway, hopefully this was helpful. I want to say, I get that this comes from a perspective of someone who is staunchly pro-gun, but I would like to highlight that at least part of my journey of becoming pro-gun was because as I learned the technical, functional, and legal frameworks around firearms, I realized that much (90%) of the legislation being pushed would do little to impact gun violence, and actually importantly, suicide (raising awareness for mental health issues is one of the things I do when it comes to charity work).
Happy to answer any further questions and/or continue the discussion; sorry again for the slow response-- as you can tell, lots to cover here :)
I have several GunVaults throughout the house. Why aren't these an option?
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335037307&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV1000C-DLX-Mini-Vault-Deluxe/dp/B002HOLG2I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1335037307&sr=8-2
The one thing I would recommend, is no matter that you only want it for your car, still take it to the range and practice with it. Every gun needs to be broken in, and using something untested for self defense is hit and miss at best, and life threatening at worst. So please, go to the range and put 250-500 rounds through it at least, to make sure that your sight picture is correct with that particular pistol.
Since you're planning on keeping it in your car, check out the GunVault Micro:
http://www.gunvault.com/microvault.nxg
That way someone can't just smash a window and get it
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-Microvault-Pistol-Gun-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC
They're about $75-$90 so shop around, and I would recommend springing for the biometric model eventually, just to keep everything secure.
I'm a big fan of this safe. Fast and pretty darn foolproof. http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1426823309&sr=8-4&keywords=pistol+safe+quick
It'd take a herculean effort to break into it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC?cache=e295091556c9fdef56b4528776f3c25c&pi=SY200_QL40&qid=1407522621&sr=8-1#ref=mp_s_a_1_1
These exist for a reason. If you can afford a gun you can afford a small safe that takes ten seconds to open.
Bolt this to the floor
I use one of these. Once you get used to it, you can easily open it in the dark. There are various sizes.
I have a Gunvault SV2000 for my 3 pistols. Works great, decent size, 9v battery. Worth the money.
https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1501611999&sr=8-6&keywords=GunVault+SV500
I use a pistol safe, such as these:
Different mounting options can secure into the wall.
https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1478120253&sr=8-3&keywords=pistol+safe
https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1478120253&sr=8-10&keywords=pistol+safe
Acquire safe. Acquire gun.
I'm a first-time owner too! I use this safe to lock my pistol up. I keep it loaded in the safe but not chambered -- I figure if I have time to open the safe, I have time to actually pull the slide, but don't have to mess with fumbling for a mag in the darkness.
I keep the rest of the ammo in my closet, because what is someone gonna do, throw it at me?
(and yes, that's my amazon associate link up there but I never actually use it so I figure I might as well)
https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Lock-Black/dp/B00384755S/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1518504527&sr=8-13&keywords=car+gun+safe
They could get it, if they brought bolt cutters...
Piggybacking on this comment, I recommend the GunVault NV200.
I have something like this. The cable locks inside the box and loops around something bolted down like the actual car seat. No drilling necessary.
I bought two of the NV200 Nanovaults yesterday. It is key opened versus combo for the NV300. It's a little cheaper, and some people said it was all metal I think, as opposed to the NV300 having maybe plastic parts in the locking mechanism.
http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Style-Pistols/dp/B00384755S
https://smile.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Lock-Black/dp/B00384755S
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00384755S/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_rxiryb31SPC9D
Here is a link to the item on Amazon . Nice cable that wraps around seat anchor. You may have to get creative.
I dont have kids so I dont worry about it, but maybe look into a small gun safe/case.
My friend has this one for his handgun in his truck, works well and you can cut foam to fit what you have.
http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Style-Pistols/dp/B00384755S/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1373395885&sr=1-5&keywords=gun+safe
The advantage of using a gun case would be most either have a lock or can be locked where as most fishing tackle boxes do not.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004EHY9RA
I think this is the storage box I got a while ago. It fits everything from all expansions (except manuals, but I have those on pdfs on my phone anyway). You just need to remove a few of the bins so the frame pieces fit inside as well.
I use one of these. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004EHY9RA/ref=mp_s_a_1_15?qid=1415166815&sr=8-15&pi=SX200_QL40
It works really well for me.
Good advice so far. If it's lightly oiled in a climate controlled environment you shouldn't have much trouble keeping rust away.
And to add to the security point, you should seriously consider locking the gun up. Remember crooks love guns, and I would be sick to my stomach if one managed to get a hold of mine. You don't need to invest in a 2 ton safe for one shotgun, but a cheap steel cabinet like this one, bolted to the wall/floor, should at least deter a smash and grabber.
http://www.amazon.com/Stack-On-GCB-8RTA-Security-Assemble-Storage/dp/B004EYTD4W/ref=sr_1_7?s=hunting-fishing&ie=UTF8&qid=1394899032&sr=1-7&keywords=corner+gun+safe
stack-on ammo cabinet or security cabinet
Well, you can get a locker fairly cheap as well as desiccant to keep things dry.
Depends on how secure you need/want it to be. Stack on makes what is laughingly called an 8-gun cabinet that can comfortably fit 4 long guns. It is approx. 4 feet tall and pretty thick gauge steel. The drawback being the shelf barely fits a few mags so you'd have to get those over the door hanging handgun compartments.
https://smile.amazon.com/Stack-GCB-8RTA-Assemble-Security-Shotguns/dp/B004EYTD4W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506100410&sr=8-1&keywords=stack+on+gun+cabinet
I have one of these until I can afford a real safe.
Someone broke into my house just yesterday so I've been considering upgrading.
One thing that is worth considering for your husband is to carry a firearm while in the house. A comfortable OWB holster and a good belt places the loaded firearm in his direct control at all times. The other guns can then go into the safe.
If he's not inclined to do that for comfort reasons or just not wanting to carry in the house, there are numerous "quick access" vaults that can keep curious hands away without necessarily adding too much time for accessing the weapon. I would go for a mechanically actuated vault vs those electronic ones with buttons or fingerprint scanners. You don't want to be fumbling with electronics and sweaty fingers when time is of the essence.
Depending on the level of "readiness" that your husband wants to achieve, storing the firearms with loaded magazines but closed bolts/slides on empty chambers can add another layer of security/complexity towards discharging the firearms. Some may view it as a hindrance or something to forget in times of stress or injury, but it's worth considering all the options.
It's worth discussing with your husband the level of readiness he desires along with the element of risk that you both are willing to accept. Currently, it's pretty much grab-and-go from the closet. Does he move a gun closer to the bed when sleeping? If someone's trying to break in when everyone's around, is it a "honey go grab the gun" sort of situation? You already mentioned having to lock the bedroom door when family/friends are around. How does he feel about security when no one is home? While you live in a low crime neighborhood, most crimes happen during the day when most people are away. Also consider investing in upgraded/reinforced door frames, deadbolts, sliding doors, and windows. Those are elements that can buy you precious time in the hypothetical home intrusion to access the guns however they are stored.
Most importantly, make sure that you and your husband have a plan for such incidents. Make sure you know how to communicate with each other and have a plan for who goes where, does what, calls 911, etc. Might be worth stocking some basic first aid such as tourniquets and gauze as well.
Here are some mechanically actuated safes that seem to be relatively well-received:
Pistol shot-lock
AR-15 shot-lock
Here's an RFID vault
RFID Pistol
EDIT:
Here's some more mechanical vaults
Fort Knox
V-Line
Return your safe and get a Ft. Knox Pistol box. It has a simplex lock that you can open in the dark in a couple of seconds. I have one. Its built like a tank and super easy to use.
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Ft Knox Pistol Box
Knowing what you know now, make sure to get a good safe. The most important thing is that it can't be picked up and carried off - so bolt it down. And don't go for just the cheapest one you can find. This one is my favorite. Its very heavy duty and will keep anyone from a quick smash and grab. Mechanical combo is good because no battery to worry about dying on you in the worst possible time. The one downside is that this style of combo lock has a small number of combos so someone really dedicated could spend a few hours and brute force the combo.
Also note that most safes are not really "safes" and can easily be cut into with a grinder. If you get a rifle safe try to put it somewhere that people don't see easily, and is in a hard place to access like inside a closet where they can't get good leverage or to the sides of the safe.
EDIT: pointed out that I was sounding like a simple Stack On gun cabinet is not enough. That should be fine. You just need to make sure the gun is secure from the kid and if you leave it at home, would take more than 5 minutes to get at for a burglar. The point I meant to make about the "most safes are not really safes" is that a cheap stackon cabinet is about as secure as any safe you're going to spend a couple grand on. For a safe/cabinet/lockbox that can be picked up you still want it bolted down.
Fort Knox makes a nicer looking one for the same price.
http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8
Finger print safe $250 easy to mount to a wall and easy to patch after you move. Won't stop someone with a crowbar.
Biometric locker super cheap $167,. I have this one for keeping guns away from the kids, there's an optional shelf you can add on also for a 2nd shelf for more ammo /pistol. Not fire proof or power tool/crow bar resistant
Barska Quick Access Biometric Rifle Safe AX11652 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005FDIUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_7LA.zbPS3HMGS
Yeah I love the ruger 10/22.
Oh....safes.
Yeah, Barska makes a rifle model as well.
So here's why that argument is silly. First of all, its an AR15, not an M4. Second of all, and most importantly, an AR15 can fill multiple different roles.
Let's say I hunt small game rabbits, snakes, foxes, and dangerous animals for livestock like coyotes, and wolves, and I also hunt larger game like deer or elk.
I could buy a varmint gun that only fires .22LR, another intermediate gun that fires .223 for the wolves and coyotes, and another larger rifle that fires an elk caliber like 30-06.
So that would come out to:
and since I'm a responsible gun owner, I now need a gun safe for 3 rifles so lets go with
So that comes out to 1150$, and I now need to take care of, clean, and potentially repair 3 different rifles. Well how about an AR15 instead?
And we need to store these again, but a lower and 3 uppers takes up less space than 3 rifles so lets get this pelican case
So that comes out to 1419$, but I only need to know how to take care of, clean and repair 1 type of rifle, an AR15. So I've traded a slight increase in cost for greater convenience.
LEO, with SWAT gear:
Bolt a vault or safe through the floor for firearms. There are some small gun safes that have a tiny footprint. Our local farm supply has some band name vaults at reasonable prices... similar to one of these.
Barska Quick Access Biometric Rifle Safe AX11652
Duffels and gear bags, we stage them at the back barn doors and run a ratchet strap through the handles, so they don’t slide upon sharp braking.
Didn't mean too.
This is what I was trying to post.
http://www.amazon.com/BARSKA-Quick-Access-Biometric-Rifle/dp/B005FDIUPE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1375734886&sr=8-3&keywords=single+gun+safe
id up load a pick but im to lazy , iv literally got the same setup fde glock with grips tlr1 , same mol bag. drop
the glock in this safe and were eskimo gun bros
https://www.amazon.com/BARSKA-Quick-Access-Biometric-Safe/dp/B005FDIUPE/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1478838751&sr=8-6&keywords=biometric+safe+barska
I think the safes with buttons right now are much more reliable than biometric safes. This safe pictured is a Gunvault Speedvault SVB500, which is known to sometimes have problems at times. However, there is a manual button version, the standard SV500 which is the vault I have next to my bed every day and is much cheaper.
It's not the most secure, but if you want to keep a bedside gun out of reach of kids or friends who don't know how to properly handle firearms, it works great.
http://smile.amazon.com/Gunvault-SpeedVault-SVB500-gun-safe/dp/B006OGOHD0/ref=sr_1_6?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1407354882&sr=1-6&keywords=biometric+gun+safe
Sidenote: I don't ever want any of these firearms to be used at a school, but I would rather have them there in the hands of teachers who would do anything for my daughter than nothing there stopping a shooter.
It shouldn't be mandatory, but laws should allow teachers who already have firearm training to keep a secure weapon near their person, under their desk or something, if they want to. Something like this. In my high school I could name at least 5 of my teachers who were competent with firearms and, had the law allowed, would keep something like this in their class. You don't have to tall any kids it's there. It could save a kids life someday.
I keep all of my rifles and guns in my big safe in my walk-in closet. I keep my G23 in a Gunvault Speedvault SVB500 attached to the side of my nightstand.
People would really leave it just sitting on their nightstand? I grew up in an urban area full of crime and that still sounds completely unnecessary.
Regardless, you can mount this next to your bed and you'll be fine.
> I don't see why we couldn't direct that superfluous military funding to something like reliable smart guns, which would be extremely beneficial to the military and civilians.
This is debatable and it all depends on how we want our tax dollars being used. Granted that normal guns are not banned, then I'm pretty much okay with the idea since it promotes gun ownership and safety. I disagree about it helping the military for a few different reasons, but do agree that it would be a good civilian product.
> Also, you talk about how speed and reliability are the main reasons that smart guns just won't work, but then you say that keeping a Glock in a safe is preferable. But my dad used to have a gun safe, and I guarantee that it would take longer for him to respond to a home invasion by retrieving a gun from a safe and firing than it would for him to unholster a smart gun, go a retina scan or some ridiculously inefficient authentication method, and then fire.
I mean in the context of carrying on your person - reliability being that the gun will fire when the trigger is pulled and you won't have jams, speed being that the safety mechanistic (if there is one) needs to be instantaneous to disengage.
There are safes that are biometric that quickly and automatically present your gun in an easy to grab fashion such as this. Most gun owners keep something like that on their nightstand.
> Leaving a weapon in a safe is basically putting all of the responsibility of being reliable in your own hands, hoping that you will either A) be packing and have it loaded when you need it, or B) be close enough to your safe, and cool enough under pressure, that you will have sufficient time and notice to defend yourself.
You're either sleeping and the gun is at your nightstand (or within reaching distance), or you are carrying, which is whenever I'm not sleeping. When I'm sleeping, I can have my gun ready in about 5 seconds. When I'm out in public, it's always on my person.
> I just don't see how a smart gun, even one with something as time consuming as a retina scan, is less reliable and rapidly available than a gun in a safe.
You're making a general statement about the gun being in a safe and being unreachable when that isn't normally the case. Gun owners keep their gun at their nightstand, or in a biometric safe, or a similar safe that is quickly opened (and it's always within reaching distance).
The problem with a "smart-gun" isn't for when you're sleeping. The problem with a "smart-gun" is when you're pointing the gun at your target and it not firing reliably when you need it to be. In other words, less than a quarter of a second could mean death. Any jam could mean death. This is partly the reason why law enforcement uses Glocks because there is no safety mechanism to disengage (and they're just flat out extremely reliable and always shoot).
> A smart gun would allow you to carry any time, anywhere, with almost no fear of your gun accidentally killing someone or not being available when you need it.
You're advocating a "smart-gun" for the wrong reasons. The advantage to a theoretical "smart-gun" is that it can't be stolen and used by someone else. Guns don't have any issues with accidentally killing someone - the gun is only going to fire if the operator pulls the trigger, that's the way guns work.
> If such a smart gun was made, I can almost guarantee that it would be more reliable under pressure than the average human responding to a true threat.
It wouldn't, but I'm happy to elaborate why you're wrong. A gun is reliable because 1) It is well designed, 2) It is battle-tested and proven, 3) It doesn't jam. A gun's reliablity is purely mechanical and has absolutely nothing to do with performing under pressure.
The problem with "smart-guns" is because creating such a gun would require a complete overhaul of gun design as we know it. Guns include a lot of parts - think of a gun like an old-fashioned watch. There are hundreds of modern guns that aren't reliable, which is the reason the Military and Government only use certain guns. New designs for modern day guns take an average of around 5-10 years to design. Designing a "smart-gun" would require at least twice as much time and would definitely not meet the military's standard of reliability (coincidentally, a civilian's standard for reliability is the same as the military because life is that valuable) because the technology just doesn't exist. It would be the equivalent to colonists with their muskets (the ones where you smolder a wick to the gunpowder) in the 1700s inventing an AR-15.
> The limiting factor in reliability would be the shooter 99.99999% of the time, not the gun. If the shooter is more reliable than the gun... Well that's a scrapped design.
Reliability is always the gun, never the shooter. All the shooter does is pull the trigger. Reliability is a gigantic issue with existing modern firearms because not all firearms meet that standard. My point is that reliable firearms are a challenge as it is already. There are only a few guns that I would recommend as a daily carry.
Not offense, but I can tell that you don't know much about guns, but I'm happy to answer your questions. :)
There's ways around all alarm systems and doors. If they want in they'll get in. And there's tons of safes that are mounted under desks, on head boards, or easy and quick to grab places that you can open very quickly with finger print activation or a quick access code.
Gunvault SpeedVault SVB500 gun safe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGOHD0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_UGHGzbEGK3PGJ
GunVault SV500 - SpeedVault Handgun Safe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_NHHGzbHA4NCMS
I prefer this
http://www.amazon.com/SHOT-LOCK-S-SLC01-02-ShotLock-Solo-Vault/dp/B007UT14FOI
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00H9DYIXQ/ref=pd_aw_sims_1?pi=SS115&simLd=1&dpPl=1&dpID=317tNqmlQsL
bedside pistol safe?
or something like this: www.amazon.com/ShotLock-S-SLC01-02-Shotgun-Solo-Vault/dp/B007UT14FO/ref=sr_sp-atf_title_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1368030438&sr=8-3&keywords=shotgun+lock
> I think what you'd have to look at with that is how many stolen weapons where used in homicides?
We typically trust Government numbers on issues such as this, as they are seen a neutral for both the left and the right (FBI and Labor statistics come to mind). Unfortunately, the Federal Government has 0 dollars to research gun violence statistics in the US, so we will never know the actual numbers. If you go with the numbers used in this politifact article (gathered by John Hopkins using self-reporting inmates):
Those are some pretty high numbers, all things considered, which makes sense in many ways. How likely is it that a person that's robbing a convenience store for $146.32 took the time to go through a background check and buy the $250.00 9mm legally?
> Me having my handgun locked in a safe is either very expensive for a quick access safe
This devolves the argument into "responsible gun ownership is too expensive/inconvenient.", which is the basis of a lot of anti-regulatory arguments. A good quick access safe costs $100 for a handgun. You can get a cabinet quick access safe for $250.00 if you need to store rifles. A person has the right to own a gun to protect themselves, but other individuals have the right not to get shot by stolen weapons because the owner couldn't be bothered to get a safe.
> or greatly reduces the availability should I need to use it
The costs of a quick access safe is not prohibitively expensive, as stated above.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A75EVJO
You could try something like this.
Same for you, /u/brownnote
I've recently been looking too. Check this one out. Is seems like exactly what I want and might be good for you as well. Sentry Safe Quick Access Safe 0.08 Cubic Feet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A75EVJO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_ghfPwbKQ072J8
This worries me specifically because if you leave your keys somewhere, now your kids have access. The same thing worries me about the bracelet safe too. I personally use a Sentry quick access safe that uses fingerprints, a code and a key. The key goes in my big gun safe in case batteries die. With this method, there is ZERO chance my firearms can be accessed without my permission.
https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Safe-Quick-Access-Cubic/dp/B00A75EVJO
Just because you live in constant paranoia doesn't excuse you being irresponsible with your gun. In fact, it probably makes it worse.
Edit:. If you keep your gun on you, it's not going to get stolen. If you need it close when you're sleeping, you should probably still keep it in a safe. Here's a recommendation. https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-Pistol-Digital-Capacity-QAP1E/dp/B00A75EVJO
I don't really know either. I've heard of people putting one of these beside their bed.
OK, but if you require as a bare minimum something like a biometric gun safe wouldn't that be a good idea even if you live alone?
SentrySafe QAP1BE Gun Safe with Biometric Lock One Handgun Capacity https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Of-RDbWYFSHT0
I have a VP9 (your gun's prettier sister lol), and here's what I use.
I have one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672
It might be a little on the small side for all the items you've listed, but I've been really happy with the performance of it. My local Costco has them on sale right now for $99, so I just picked up a second.
http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=sr_1_1/188-4992481-9334635?ie=UTF8&qid=1449159813&sr=8-1&keywords=biometric+gun+safe+fingerprint
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EXQW672/
Depends on largely on the size of the safe, obviously, but they're not as expensive as they sound. I recently bought my father one as a birthday gift and I seem to recall about a $125 handgun safe.
Edit: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00EXQW672/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487425964&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=biometric+gun+safe&dpPl=1&dpID=41Qx313%2Ba-L&ref=plSrch
I have this one and have always been happy with it. Someone tell me why it's shit.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00EXQW672
yeah I agree with you.
I have 2 safes installed. One is for crappier things, the other one is for my firearm.
This is the one installed for my firearm. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FYO3310
The metal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than my other safe, one which is commonly endorsed here: https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1468390083&sr=8-16&keywords=gun+safe
I upgraded the cable on both boxes, and I have it legitimately running through the chassis of my car (I cut out a piece of rug and soundproofing to reach my chassis).
In the future use one of these. Someone determined could get one open with a pry bar, but that's assuming the person has a pry bar and wants to sit in the back seat trying to pry it open on the floor or has bolt cutters. Pry bars and bolt cutters stick out like a sore thumb in a parking lot, a slimjim or coat hanger are fear easier to hide in one's sleeve/coat.
I use this safe locked in my trunk. It's not perfect, but it should be good enough for what you are looking for. https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1475165086&sr=8-6&keywords=car+safe
Can have weapons on campus just not inside campus buildings. You can concealed carry with a permit walking around campus, just cannot enter a building, as that would result in a felony. Storing a gun in a locked vehicle is legal. I use this lockbox . The lock is easy to pick (all of them are) but it is sturdy and difficult to pry open.
Yes, I have a specific TSA-approved case design. The case is rigid steel. Not this exact brand, but fairly close in design:
https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1487372337&sr=1-3&keywords=tsa+gun+case
Edit: To expound, I take the magazine out of the pistol and place it inside the safe with the firearm. Ammunition is kept in the manufacturer's case inside the suitcase, not the safe.
A secure safe bolted underneath your seat is the best option.
I opted for one of these and just secured it under my seat with a bike chain and padlock. That way it's easily accessible to store my firearm in it and lock it and slip it back under the seat, all before even opening my car door.
And then obviously lock your doors. So if you go this route, you sorta have three lines of defense: The car doors, the box secured to the vehicle and the lock on the box itself.
Oh, and also, don't advertise anything on your car. No 2A stickers, no Plock Gerfection--anything. And you'll be fine.
Edit: Actually, if you put some gun control/equality/Bernie Sanders stickers on your car, you probably won't have anything to worry about. Just toss it in the glove box. 😂
I'm going to bolt one of these under my seat. Slide it out to access it, tuck it back under to keep it out of sight, and the tether prevents people from walking off with it. Someone else shared a similar option that was MUCH more expensive, but there are options like these in the $30-50 range in most sporting good stores.
http://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU
She just doesn't want to see it? No problem:
https://www.amazon.com/Tac-Mag-Gun-Magnet-25-Rating/dp/B00LR454YU
Magnet x 3
I originally bought 2 but there isn't enough ferrous material in the buffer tube to hold the weight without 2 magnets, so needed 3(plus one for the barrel.)
I have the Tac-Mag that OP linked to.
I don't currently use it so right now my magnet isn't attached to anything. With my heaviest fully loaded handgun, VP9, I can't shake the gun loose while holding the magnet. I almost can't pull the magnet straight off the gun, you almost have to rock it to the side to get it to come free.
I don't see this one being a problem to draw from if the magnet was mounted to something sturdy nor can I imagine a scenario outside of a tornado making the gun come off the magnet when you didn't want it to.
If you are interested in something similar, but with a lower profile. I am pretty happy with my purchase of this magnet thingy.
I actually mounted it to the right of my right knee on the front of the dash. You would never notice it empty, and it holds way more securely than you would expect. No issues in daily driving or slamming on the breaks, but I wouldn't trust it for off-roading or anything.
You just bring the top of your firearm towards it and it will straight up suck it onto it. It's super strong. You could also mount it on the side where your picture has the holster and have it stick to the side of your slide.
I'm looking to order this. My dad has one and it works well. It's even better if you put a black cloth or something over you gun to 1) protect the finish and 2) keep it concealed so someone is t seeing it at a ted light or what ever.
Also I'd take any car gun inside at night and also have a lock box in the car for work. #1 way people get guns stolen is out of their vehicle.
I also lik te these 30 cal ammo cans by MTM:
https://www.amazon.com/MTM-AC4C-Ammo-Crate-4-Can/dp/B01MU6ZAPG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&hvadid=77721780049627&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&keywords=mtm+30+cal&qid=1574658723&sr=8-1
Now this might seem a bit weird but bear with me. I use the following:
https://www.amazon.com/MTM-ACR8-72-Crate-Utility-Large/dp/B00T4XL4HM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1541552993&sr=8-3&keywords=Mtm+ammo+crate
Now I know it's an ammo crate but it's very durable and has two holes for pad locks. It's also short to fit under a bed! I have 8 BDs in there and two bottles of cum lube and still have space for maybe 5 more toys. The ammo crate sticker can also come off!
2 of these MTM ammo cases fit nicely with a little extra room to spare on the side.
MTM ACR8-72 Ammo Crate Utility Box with 7.25" Deep, Large, Dark Earth https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T4XL4HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_SEfPAbPPS0EB1
Can you carry in a metal safe / box like this one? Assuming you insert some foam and cutouts to keep everything separated (ammo in its own box etc)?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00TONRU9S/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1#
I use these with a desiccant packet thrown in each for all my ammo storage:
https://www.amazon.com/MTM-AC4C-Ammo-Crate-4-Can/dp/B01MU6ZAPG/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?keywords=ammo+storage&qid=1568835081&s=gateway&sr=8-6
One of these under the aback seat with the cable around support pillar for the seat.
Karsh
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00TONRU9S/ref=oh_aui_i_d_old_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I posted this same question about a month ago.
I invested in this lock box that has a cable wire to wrap around you're seat frame. Perfect for leaving it in your car, but still locked and secure from smash and grabs
Here is the mobile version of your link
http://www.amazon.com/GCB-8RTA-Security-Assemble-Storage-Cabinet/dp/B004EYTD4W/ref=sr_1_1?s=hunting-fishing&ie=UTF8&qid=1425237880&sr=1-1
Would this work:
https://www.amazon.com/Barska-Quick-Access-Biometric-AX11652/dp/B005FDIUPE/ref=zg_bs_4200861_3/147-0264119-3334557?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=Y3ZVK49V17F8T0EHF34B
I use this for when my pistol isn't on me.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A75EVJO?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Uhm, OK.
> You will have kids finding ways to get the teachers gun when they aren't paying attention
This is why you put the gun in a fingerprint safe like this: https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-Pistol-Biometric-Capacity-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672/
Then it doesn't matter if a kid goes into the teacher's desk and gets the box out, the kid isn't going to get the gun. This isn't rocket science.
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