Best motor sports books according to redditors
We found 76 Reddit comments discussing the best motor sports books. We ranked the 41 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
We found 76 Reddit comments discussing the best motor sports books. We ranked the 41 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
Other firsts/notable features:
Every part except for brakes, transmission shocks,and tyres were custom built, most of them by themselves.
[Edit] I have pictures of the bike being built from the crankshaft to completion. I'll upload and link later.
[Edit2] Here they are. Source
Its hard to sum up on what makes it worth watching, the drivers have a lot of personality, the level of competition is very high, and with 43 cars on the track there is always something going on.
The quality of racing is very good if you like a lot of passing (overtaking for the F1 terms). Depending on what track they are at, it can very close quarters racing with very aggressive driving. Lots of strategy involved on any given week.
A couple of books I would recommend are:
http://www.amazon.com/Driving-Devil-Southern-Moonshine-Detroit/dp/1400082269/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309974163&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Cheating-Inside-Things-Winston-Pursuit/dp/1893618226/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1309974122&sr=8-1
Why do I love NASCAR?
Again its kinda hard to answer. Like all the things I've mentioned before and also the access viewers can get. A lot of drivers are on Twitter which gives you insight into their day to day lives you don't normally see. You can get complete access to radio feeds of the teams during races.
What caused me to become hooked?
Probably just growing up watching it with my Dad mostly but what really hooked me was going to see a race live and sitting in the stands watching it first hand. Just like with F1, its a life style or its own culture. If you ever get the chance I highly recommend going to a race.
BLM feild Ranger checking in!!
I work out of the BLM office in Kremmling, we frequently go down to Moab to help out their office during busy times.
You can camp anywhere, explore and shoot anywhere on BLM land, It is public use land and unless its posted otherwise you're good.
this is true nationally, we are federal, BLM laws do not vary much by state.
But, be aware, it is not in anyway ok to go everywhere with your vehicle, this gets abused in Moab (we don't have enough people to patrol), stay on the existing trails and don't contribute to homemade trails.
Some links for you;
http://staythetrail.org/
http://publiclands.org/Get-Books-and-Maps.php?plicstate=CO
EDIT: also, buy this book you wont regret it =)
Just my 2C, but unless you learn race craft and theory, simply using a “line” drawn by someone else will do nothing for you. Once you learn the theory you then can start applying it to each corner based on your driving style, etc. There’s no magic bullet outside of outright knowledge and practice.
My suggestions beyond practice and seat time:
Going Faster! Mastering the Art of Race Driving https://www.amazon.com/dp/0837602262/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_UC.GDbR6JKTR3
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1785211749/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_QE.GDbWKAQZPM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1540628590/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_.F.GDbC7VC4TN
We did Lockhart Road north-to-south, which is the more-challenging way to do it. The first mile is the most difficult, and here's my video of that part. I almost had us turn around at the 8:55 point, mainly because it's my jeep and I'm a worry-wart sometimes hehe. This is what can happen if you slip-off right there. My buddy encouraged me on, and we never had an issue. If it weren't for this first mile, I'd say to check it out in the vehicle you mentioned. Going South-to-North, you could have an enjoyable time, just turn around when you start hitting any terrain that appears to be too difficult.
Our particular campsite was right where the road turns from 'difficult' to 'moderate' per Charles Wells' book. We had 2 people drive by each day we were out there. The first day was a guy in a stock CRV going south-to-north, and in the evening was an older couple in a stock grand cherokee going south-to-north. They both asked what we thought of them continuing, and we said it gets more difficult, but take a look for yourself. We didn't want to necessarily tell anybody what to do, but just give them an idea of what we experienced and to check it out themselves. Both ended up turning around.
That's pretty much it. There's a book on cheating in NASCAR that anyone interested may want to look for.
https://www.amazon.com/Cheating-Inside-Things-Winston-Pursuit/dp/1893618226/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1520370228&sr=1-2&keywords=cheating+nascar
There is a Kindle version that's been updated if you have something against physical media.
Hah it depends on the rental. And as you probably know already, nothing beats seat time. But what I️ do with any new guy that I’m trying to coach I️ jump straight to video. You’ll learn more from watching your video than just about anything. You’ll notice mistakes you made that you didn’t catch while driving. Take notes while watching the videos and use them to correct the mistakes you made. Also, pick a guy at your local track that’s fast in a kart similar to yours. Watch them and take notes of their line, brake point, release/turn in point, throttle point, exit point. I️ tell people to take two track maps and mark all of those points for that guy for as many laps as you can. You’ll start to see clusters of points to get an average for all of them. Then watch your video and mark all of the same points for you. If there’s big differences between yours and his it gives you something to work on the next time you run.
But in the time being, watch as many videos of fast guys on YouTube as you can. Kart360, Skusa, eKartingNews, all have on board footage of guys who know what they’re doing. If you can find footage of your local track that could help. But it could also teach you bad habits of someone who doesn’t drive very well. There’s also books you can buy. I’ll try to find the title of a specific one that we have at the shop.
This book
http://www.amazon.com/Cheating-Inside-Things-NASCAR-Pursuit/dp/1893618447
Haha, This is the one! There are different areas within it. I always use it!
Guide to Colorado Backroads & 4-Wheel-Drive Trails, 3rd Edition https://www.amazon.com/dp/1934838047/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Q9TxzbJ1P6647
I don't have a specific recommendation, but I like to do the same thing and I've been using these two books to find good places to explore:
Both provide routes with descriptions, photos, waypoints and turn by turn callouts. Each trail has difficulty rating and in the case of the second book, there is also a remoteness rating. We typically pick a route, follow the waypoints as described in the book the first time to learn the area, and then when we go back we explore side trails and such.
The first book has a lot of the more well known routes all are day-trip length, the second book has much more routes and much more detail. trips in that book range from a few hours to a few days long. Each trail on those books typically includes one or more pretty interesting things to see or do, we haven't been let down yet.
If you don't have one yet, get a state land trust permit, many of the backroads and trails go on state trust land, so if a ranger finds you out there without your permit, you can get fined. It's only $15/20 per year and you can do it all online (for an extra $1) by going here: https://land.az.gov/recreational-permit-portal
I lied: If you've read down this far, here's a specific location that is pretty neat: There's an old gin house at the end of the trail that leads to Little Fish Canyon. That should be enough to get you to find it on google maps. satellite view might show you the structure a bit. The building is fenced in to keep the animals out, you can undo the fence on the north side to get through, just make sure to connect it back up when you are done. You can open window covers to peek in and get a better look, but make sure you close it all back up when you are done. do NOT enter the building, that might get you in trouble. All around those trails are a number of mines as well. most (all?) are sealed with gates to protect the bats, but still kind cool to look in.
If you are on Facebook, search for "Tucson Jeeps" group and join it. People there are organizing runs all the time. Some of the trails are difficult and/or remote enough that you'll definitely want to go with others just in case.
EDIT: oh, and about the cows, don't worry about driving through the cows, just take it slow and quiet. they WILL move out of the way before you bump them. I never really knew what to do until I ran across a huge herd being walked right down the middle of a highway once. The rancher was like "You don't have to stop, just keep driving, they'll move!"
This question has been asked a bunch of times, but the one post I've found the most helpful was /u/that_video_art_guy's response in this post. For quick reference, here's the copy/paste:
I've read many of these books, I'm partial to the mechanics and team member books but find all of them to be very enjoyable.
The Super Collective Super list of Super Good F1 Books:
Mechanics/Team Members
[Life in the Pit Lane: Mechanic's Story of the Benetton Grand Prix Year](
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Pit-Lane-Mechanics-Benetton/dp/0760300267/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356716346&sr=1-5&keywords=steve+matchett) - Steve Matchett
[The Mechanic's Tale: Life in the Pit-Lanes of Formula One](
http://www.amazon.com/Mechanics-Tale-Life-Pit-Lanes-Formula/dp/0752827839/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356716346&sr=1-1&keywords=steve+matchett) - Steve Matchett
The Chariot Makers: Assembling the Perfect Formula 1 Car - Steve Matchett
Team Lotus: My View From the Pitwall - Peter Warr
Jo Ramirez: Memoirs of a Racing Man - Jo Ramirez
Art of War - Five Years in Formula One - Max Mosley, Adam Parr, Paul Tinker
Tales from the Toolbox: A Collection of Behind-the-Scenes Tales from Grand Prix Mechanics - Michael Oliver, Jackie Stewart
Technical Books
Red Bull Racing F1 Car: Haynes Owners' Workshop Manual
McLaren M23: 1973 Haynes Owners' Workshop Manual
Lotus 72: 1970 Haynes Owners' Workshop Manual
Tune to Win: The art and science of race car development and tuning - Carroll Smith
Engineer to Win - Carroll Smith
Nuts, Bolts, Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook AKA: Screw to Win - Carroll Smith
Race Car Vehicle Dynamics: Problems, Answers and Experiments - Doug Milliken
Chassis Design: Principles and Analysis - William F. Milliken, Douglas L. Milliken, Maurice Olley
The Racing & High-Performance Tire: Using Tires to Tune for Grip & Balance - Paul Haney
Technical Driving
Ultimate Speed Secrets: The Complete Guide to High-Performance and Race Driving - Ross Bentley
Going Faster! Mastering the Art of Race Driving - Carl Lopez
Working the Wheel - Martin Brundle
Drivers and Rivalry's
Senna Versus Prost: The Story of the Most Deadly Rivalry in Formula One - Malcolm Folley
The Limit: Life and Death on the 1961 Grand Prix Circuit - Michael Cannell
Winning Is Not Enough: The Autobiography - Sir Jackie Stewart
Shunt: The Story of James Hunt - Tom Rubython
Alex Zanardi: My Sweetest Victory: A Memoir of Racing Success, Adversity, and Courage - Alex Zanardi, Gianluca Gasparini, Mario Andretti.
It Is What It Is: The Autobiography - David Coulthard
Flat Out, Flat Broke: Formula 1 the Hard Way! - Perry McCarthy The Black Stig, Damon Hill
F1 Through the Eyes of Damon Hill: Inside the World of Formula 1 - Damon Hill, Photography: Sutton Images
People Of F1
Life at the Limit: Triumph and Tragedy in Formula One - Professor Sid Watkins
Beyond the Limit - Professor Sid Watkins
I Just Made The Tea: Tales from 30 years inside Formula 1 - Di Spires
Bernie: The Biography of Bernie Ecclestone - Susan Watkins
Picture Books
McLaren The Cars: Updated 2011 Edition
Art of the Formula 1 Race Car - Stuart Codling, James Mann, Peter Windsor, Gordon Murray
I’ve heard good things about a book titled Twist of the Wrist. I’m not encouraging you to ride fast on public roads, but the descriptions of riding, clutching, shifting, steering and counter-steering and stopping are all very good. You can get it in audio on CD’s also.
A Twist of the Wrist: The Motorcycle Road Racers Handbook https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0092I789C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_MOw6AbJK0VB6A
I really liked this book on the technical side of things
MotoGP Technology: 2nd Edition https://www.amazon.com/dp/1844258343/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_OcnMzb383PBW8
https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Moab-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/193483825X
>Colorado sometime in early August, but I can't find any published routes.
Wut.
Here's a hardcopy book:
You can get GPX tracks for 4x4 roads here:
As well as here if you join the site:
And of course, there's the Bible of what's accessible, updated annually straight from the USFS:
And you can download free GeoPDFs of those MVUMs here:
Now then. Let's answer your main question. Weeklong route in the Four Corners area? There are literally tens of thousands of combinations of tracks to take. I've started in Carson NF in the dead of the sand off of 285 on a whim one time. Just pulled off the highway straight onto an NF-designated road and threw my plans to power through to the Sand Dunes out the window. Doing some quick scouting, I think it was NF 558 from the bend in the road I remember passing and approximate location. I digress.
You could start there and spend a whole day pretending you're in a Baja truck hitting those sandy whoops. I finally gave up on seeing how far back the road ran when sundown was on my back. Then you could snake all the way to the border adjacent to the highway and burn another two days easily. Or you could just hop on 285, run up to the Dunes, camp and hike there, then roll over Medano Pass and start heading towards Buena Vista. Or swing west and go hit up Telly/Ouray.
You need to remember the large swath of res land in NE AZ and NW NM, but other than that, the Four Corners states are absolute spiderwebs of 4x4 roads that will take you to hiking, biking, camping, crawling, fishing, hunting, and anything else you can imagine.
I can't say that this is a great book, but it will show you the roots of NASCAR and it goes through all the ways teams have cheated or skirted the rules in NASCAR history. It is really dumbed down so I think even a newcomer can find it interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1934838047?pc_redir=1412277252&robot_redir=1
And
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1934838055/ref=pd_aw_sims_1?pi=SY115&simLd=1
TBH, I haven't read may books about bikes. At least non-technical. Come to think of it I only have 4: "John Britten", "Jupiter's Travels", "One Good Run", and "Big Sid's Vincati".
John Britten is a personal hero and the bike he came up with is amazing. "Jupiter's Travel's" is about a journalist who travels around the world on his bike back in the 70s. "One Good Run" is about a crazy man called Burt Munro who had a film based on him called "World's fastest Indian". "Big Sid's Vincati" is a book about a legendary tuner who decides to build a specific bike with his son after almost dying.
Most of my books are service manuals.
I third this. You may find that you learn more in FSAE than you will in class, especially regarding the realities of making designs come to life. It's hard work, but it will pay dividends for the rest of your life. (Just like the rest of college).
No need to restrict yourself to aerodynamics, that's only one of the many areas of study you'll learn in AE. Structures and controls are also core competencies of any respectable AE grad.
To half-answer your latter question, I found myself going down the structures route when my FSAE team needed a guy to do the chassis. I was originally enamored with aerodynamics, but to be honest, I'm quite glad that fate steered me to structures.
Because aerodynamics are so amenable to mathematical description (i.e., Navier-Stokes rules the show), the modern aerodynamicist is chiefly a mathematician. (Or some would say CFD-jockey, but that's perhaps a bit derogatory, haha). Rarely does he get to touch hardware.
Being a person who loves to split time between desk work and getting my hands dirty in the lab, I have found structures to be far more rewarding than other field options. There's still so much we don't understand about how materials fail, how to build stronger or stiffer composites, and how to predict failure, hat the structures engineer will always be kept busy pushing the boundaries of his field both experimentally and analytically. (I'm sure other fields are hard too, but of course I speak unabashedly from the structures perspective.)
As for books, a good place to start is the well-written series by the great Carroll Smith. Engineer to Win is a gem among the FSAE metal-pounders.
This is the best printed resource I've found so far:
MotoGP Technology: 2nd Edition
It's a 2010 publication so you won't get the low-down on the more recent bikes. You will, however, get an in-depth view of how and why the bikes evolve. I definitely recommend it if you're interested in getting a clearer understanding of MotoGP tech from a detail oriented POV.
Copy and pasted from my reply to your SO just to make sure you see it:
> Tell him to head to Barnes & Noble. Down stairs, in between the escalators, the have a section of books about Nevada. Quite a few of them are maps to ghost towns or neat places across the state. This one in particular is one of my favorites. Then you two will have all kinds of fun things to explore when you get here :D
They have a bunch more, as well. That particular one GPS directions and a page or two about the history of each area it covers.
If you want a book instead of a film, there is http://www.amazon.com/Cheating-Inside-Things-NASCAR-Pursuit/dp/1893618447/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1411687333&sr=1-3&keywords=cheating+nascar
I recommend these:
https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Colorado-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/1934838047/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1527274746&sr=8-1&keywords=colorado+off+road+trail+books
https://www.amazon.com/Northern-Colorado-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Guidebooks/dp/1934838055/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1527274746&sr=8-2&keywords=colorado+off+road+trail+books
Drive up Peak 10 in Breck. That's a fun and fairly tame one.
Buy this book.
https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Colorado-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/1934838047/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1468947717&sr=1-1&keywords=colorado+backroads+%26+4-wheel+drive+trails
Bushducks.com and Traildamage.com
The book you are thinking of is Colorado Backroads and 4-Wheel Drive Trails ... TrailDamage went subscription based but there are 2 new sites being worked on ... 1 from the state that is horribly inaccurate currently and another from a couple of guys in the Denver area. If I can find a link I will add it later.
There's one that's not on your list I can recommend!
http://www.amazon.com/Cheating-Inside-Things-Winston-Pursuit/dp/1893618226
My brother got it for me for christmas a few years ago and I've read it a couple of times since. It's all about the ways NASCAR teams bend the rules. The stories from the old days are hilarious.
My favorite is about when there were limits on the size of the gas tank, but no limits on the size/length of the fuel line. One team figured this out and used a 2" diameter hose that went around the entire inside of the car three times. It let the guy go nearly twice as long before refueling.
During inspection they removed the fuel tank to measure it and after the car passed inspection, the car drove away before they put it back in!
The rule, of course, changed the next race.
Or you could buy the ebook version for a 99%+ discount.
Kraken Opus have produced some other crazy expensive books before for the likes of Manchester United, etc. so this isn't anything new for them, and they actually hold the world record for the most expensive book ever sold, and one of the largest books ever made, at 15ft tall.
Guide to Moab, UT Backroads & 4-Wheel-Drive Trails 3rd Edition https://www.amazon.com/dp/193483825X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_dII3AbMY6N19R
A few things, good choice on the bike! Love the SV650. Get it setup for your weight, it will handle better. We just did this to my son's SV650, he's 130lbs and we resprung it and did the racetech gold valves, and we set proper sag on it. You should be able to set sag, at least on the S model it has preload on the forks, they all have the preload on the rear shock. Also get the svracingparts.com moto frame sliders, they're the best available for this bike and will protect it when you drop it.
Secondly, pick up Lee Parks book, and read it. https://www.amazon.com/Total-Control-Lee-Parks-ebook/dp/B00R31222SConsider taking the intermediate rider course, or the advanced rider course since you've been riding for awhile. I assume you are in the states since you mentioned MSF. Here's the website to find courses in your area.
Thirdly, and this is huge to improving your riding skills, just practice. Find a local big parking lot and just do drills, slow speed u-turns, offset weaves, Emergency BRAKING (huge). Subscribe to Motojitsu channel on youtube. He's probably got the best practice videos out there, I found him when trying to explain countersteering to my son.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0FFFneMi9GwRHUsuBjM0jA
He's also got a couple books on amazon. He's a certified Total Control instructor, and knows his stuff. https://www.amazon.com/MotoJitsu-Master-Riding-Program-Widmar-ebook/dp/B07P8J6Q89
So, Bike setup, Book, courses, videos, practice. Repeat the last one as necessary. I am taking the ARC1 course December 8th (San Diego). Should be fun, I've been off the bike for 15 years, need to blow off the rust.
I'm not sure whether this is what you are meaning but this book still gets me excited and wanting to do something batshit mental.
This book is one of my biggest inspirations too!
+1 for paper maps.
We also use the Guide to Colorado Backroads and 4-Wheel-Drive Trails when riding the included trails.
Buy the book if you dont have it already. You can get it on amazon and in every gas station, book store and gift shop in Moab. You will regret not having it. And remember its desert hot there in June.
https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Moab-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/193483825X
Pick up a copy of this book
Nevada Trails Western Region https://www.amazon.com/dp/1930193157/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_IXgECbNE8QA92
Grab yourself this guide! https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Moab-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/193483825X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523332756&sr=8-1&keywords=moab+offroad+guide
Good question.
It was a combination of google, talking with buddies who have been there in the past, and this book: https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Moab-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/193483825X
I can give you a quick run down on trails to look for:
Hurrah Pass
Onion Creek
White Rim (100 mile loop)
Slick Rock (Technical)
La Sal Mountain trail
Back entrance into Canyonlands (not sure what else to call it, but its on trail maps)
This book has gps, maps, trail ratings, detailed descriptions, etc, for southern arizona off-roading: Arizona Trails Southern Region
This one is good, too:
Arizona backroads and 4-wheel drive trails
Both have helpful notes on difficulty/obstacles, as well as notes on whether or not there's a lot of brush to scratch up your paint...
And... Charoleau Gap is pretty exciting, but there's no trouble you can't back straight out of if you don't like it...
Are you talking about the lowside/highside video? If so, my instinct is a lower entry speed would have allowed the riders to account for the DR curve while steadily increasing throttle input, Twist of the Wrist style.
My mom got my dad this for Christmas. He said it was really great.
"Then Junior Said to Jeff...'
https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Colorado-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/1934838047
There is an another volume that covers northern CO.
Not every trail but good information on the ones they have.
These are all template and laser inspection warnings--as teams try to tweak the bodies of these cars to get downforce back, I think we'll see this pop up over and over throughout the season. Seems like a throwback to the Gen 4 years when Tony Stewart once had an entire car confiscated because the rear window was so skewed, or when Dale Earnhardt's team had to replace the entire rear section of the body because it failed inspection (they replaced it with a 100% identically shaped piece, which, oddly enough, passed).
If the history of pushing the boundaries in NASCAR interests you, this is mandatory reading.
I highly recommend this book. I found the author to be spot-on with his trail ratings and he includes trails that are easy enough for your Acura to handle on street tires. I think Eye Of The Whale trail inside Arches is doable for you, when I have a chance I will look it up in my copy and double check.
I Just Made the Tea is a good non-technical book with many great behind-the-scenes anecdotes.
Go out and get this book, or whatever the most current edition is, and start ticking them off.
There is plenty to do in Moab with your stock vehicle. Many beautiful, awesome backcountry roads/trails. Pickup this book: http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/1934838004
You can order it online, or you can find it in many places around Moab. Tourist info center, downtown bookstore, any Jeep renting place.
You can do without doubt any of the easy listed trails in the guide. And with some brains, you can do most of the moderate ones as well. Stay the hell away from the hard ones.
I really like the Charles Wells Fun Treks books
Pretty good representation with pictures and trail descriptions, though keeping in mind that everything can change from year to year. He's got two for Colorado at this point, and one for Moab. I also have one for Northern California back when I lived in SF. You can even go to his website and download GPS data to put directly into your GPS.
Give yourself a break. Take it easy. I was scared out of my mind the first month or more on my bike. I did something really stupid and rode from Oregon to LA and on to Costa Rica for my first ride. Don't do shit like that. Give yourself quite a few nice, easy rides around the hood, like people suggested. Get used to your bike so you shift and signal on auto while watching the traffic. Rinse and repeat until comfortable. Then expand out into the city. Riding with others did not help me learn unless they watched me from behind doing turns etc. and told me I cross-sit. If you want to learn from my experience, I wrote a funny book about it.
https://www.amazon.com/First-Ride-Alexander-H-Rosenberg-ebook/dp/B00758IPI4/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1493513025&sr=8-14&keywords=the+first+ride
I have this book and it's great:
http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Colorado-Backroads-4-Wheel-Drive-Trails/dp/1934838047/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421346654&sr=1-2&keywords=colorado+trails
I did some red trails in my stock '99 Sahara...probably not again as I feared dropping into Devil's Punch Bowl and dying, but it handled them fine.