Best pc game flight controls according to redditors

I spent way too much time on this, but let's see how your claim plays out.

2. Akai MPK249 $400
2. Yamaha P71 $415
3. 21.5 inch iMac $1100 (although this is the base model, probably a good estimate)
3. Edifier R1280T Near Field Monitors $99
5. Asus 24" monitor $130x5=$650
4. Logitech G27 I'm going to say around $300, even though Amazon has it listed for nearly $1000. Seems like the MSRP a few years ago was $300-$400.

1. Logitech G Saitek X52 Flight Control System $150
   
2. Logitech C600 $30
   
3. Opolar F401 $12
   
4. Logitech G610 $90, although some versions on amazon are closer to $60
   
5. (I couldn't figure out what the other keyboard is, but it's probably junk that the OP didn't spend a lot of money on.)
   
6. Logitech Z623 $100 (I think these are right)
   
7. HTC Vive $500
   
8. Logitech Z-2300 $180 MSRP, I'm fairly certain that I'm wrong about this one though
   
9. Wireless Xbox Controller $42
   
   Add in like $1000 for each desk and $2000 for each computer we don't see (assuming there are two), that gets us to a total of $11,068.
   
   There is a laptop bag stashed on the left side of the frame, so maybe it's a $9000 laptop.

Good eye! That's a bit odd considering the amazon listing even has it in there as "logitech".

Kinda sucks but with everything I read about these things I opted in for the $4/4 year protection plan through amazon. Couldn't hurt, right?

I'm not crazy into flight sims or anything, but I picked up a HOTAS One for Elite Dangerous and feel it's great for my needs. I don't love how short the cord is connecting the throttle and stick, but everything else has been great.

For that price, you could do far worse.

Don't forget the smaller screens built into programmable MFD bezels and the head tracking system.

I accidentally discovered a box containing one of these in our garage this weekend. Apparently my wife does love me...

Agreed, ED and Onward are the only VR games I've passed 100 hours in. For those looking for a HOTAS and don't want to break the bank, I bought this one 2.5 years ago for $50... it's on prime for $39 now so there's no excuse! It's plug and play for most HOTAS supported games, like ED, as it's a popular one. The Throttle and Joystick do detatch, though there's a cord between them. This might convince you to upgrade for a bigger HOTAS, but it's more than adequate for my occasional Elite Dangerous sessions.

Edit: there's an upgraded version for a few bucks more. Credit to /u/stringentthot

As many people have mentioned, Star Citizen is still an in-development title, and there are lots of bugs and will likely continue to be lots of bugs for quite a while.

That being said, there are lots of people who are OK with this and are able to enjoy themselves, some fall on the other end of the spectrum and get really frustrated so it's worth keeping in mind that there is a 14 day refund policy. If you or he decides you aren't satisfied with your purchase, you can submit for a refund at any time in that 14 day window.

If you're still with us and you want to go ahead and buy him something, here's four strong options for you to consider:

1) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

2) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

Then upgrade it to an Avenger Titan using this $20 CCU (Cross Chassis Upgrade is an item that you will find in your hangar on the website after purchase and can then apply it to the Mustang Alpha to convert it into an Avenger Titan) - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Upgrades/Mustang-Alpha-To-Avenger-Titan-Upgrade

Most players in Star Citizen have owned at one point, or currently own an Avenger because it is incredibly versatile for its price allowing you to do both combat and hauling stuff while not being paper thin. It's also the one I'd recommend the most for him. He can always use the CCU system to upgrade his ship to something else later once he has a better idea of what he wants to do.

3) If he's likely to mainly do combat, then perhaps the Arrow would be a good choice $90 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Anvil-Arrow-Starter-Pack

It will be noticeably more combat capable than the Avenger Titan, but it doesn't have any cargo space. It is a very popular ship right now for combat pilots.

4) If you really want to splurge, then get the Cutlass Black Package $115 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Cutlass-Black

The Cutlass Black is larger than all the other mentioned ships and it's the first real offering that gives you decent multi-crew features. It has an interior you can walk around in with a couple beds (beds are used for logging off if you're out in space instead of at a station), It has a good sized cargo bay that's great for traders. It has a copilot seat which can be used by a second person to help manage shields etc..

It also comes with a turret for some extra firepower. It has plenty of teeth, and you can't really go wrong with it.

 

If he really ends up liking the game, he should look into picking up some flight hardware (Joysticks etc..). I'd recommend either the t16000m FCS HOTAS $130

Or the dual t16000m setup $115

You can also just buy a single t16000m joystick for around $60 and then buy a second one later. They can be flipped to lefty pretty easily, so don't feel like you need to buy two right away.

In terms of bang for buck, there is no contest compared to these in the budget arena. I personally fly with two sticks, some people prefer the stick plus throttle.

 

In closing, my personal advice would be to buy him the Mustang Alpha ($45) and the CCU to the Avenger Titan ($20), then tell him you'll contribute X dollars towards some flight hardware (Joystick/throttle etc) or further ship CCU's once he knows what he wants.

Best of luck on your decision making!

sauce

Lone Echo is a great game but only 6-8 hours only other game on your list i have played is Elite Dangerous i have about 800 hours into it, but the game is not for everyone. Watch some youtube before you buy it it can be hard to get into but once you get flying and the controllers down its a lot of fun. If you get ED i suggest a HOTAS this one will work good.

I had a similiar issue, my old stick was naturally a little loose and hyper sensitive, so just resting my hand on it caused it to input roll because it was loose enough that the idle weight of my tiny little hands was moving it. This resulted in having to make the deadzones WAY bigger than I wanted them to be.

If you're in the market for a new controller heres some options from least to most expensive as well as amazon links for buying them.

Xbox 360 Pad: $28

• Pros: CHEAP, works, comfortable
  
• Cons: Not enough buttons
  
• I own one and have played Elite with it
  
  Steam Controller: $50
  
  
• Pros: Cheapish, works, comfortable, plenty of buttons, overly customizable software options to ensure it just works with everything!
  
• Cons: Touchpad in place of traditional D-Pad/Right Joystick can be janky in some games and some people just downright don't like this.
  
• I own one and have played Elite with it.
  
  T-Flight HOTAS X: $50
  
  
• Pros: Cheap, well made, works with PS4 if you're a PS4 commander
  
• Cons: No mini analog stick.
  
  Xbox One Controller + Wireless PC Adapter: $63
  
  
• Pros: Upgrade to the 360 version
  
• Cons: Wireless, so batteries.
  
  Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS: $108
  
  
• Pros: Cheap for a HOTAS, well made, mini analog stick on throttle.
  
• Cons: Mini Analog stick is in a weird place (subjective)
  
• I do not own this, but I would buy it if I needed another HOTAS
  
  Xbox One Elite Controller: $140
  
  
• Pros: upgrade over the standard xbone controller
  
• Cons: paddles can't be mapped to unique button presses but instead just can be set to emulate other buttons on the controller
  
  X-52: $150
  
  
• Pros: Looks like the joystick and throttle in Elite.
  
• Cons: No ministick on throttle.
  
  Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS: $449
  
  
• Pros: All Metal Construction, very solid piece of hardware
  
• Cons: No Ministick on throttle, No Twist Yaw on the stick, HOLY SHIT BALLS EXPENSIVE, your husband/wife might be angry with you for buying this if they aren't into this kinda thing.
  
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  Okay with the all in one box stuff out of the way there are some good mix and match options from CH Products which I'll list below. My current set up is CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Pedals, + HTC Vive for headtracking (or ED Tracker for headtracking when I don't want VR)
  
  CH Flightstick: $75
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, Ambidextrous
  
• Cons: Ugly, not a lot of buttons, no twist yaw
  
  CH Combatstick: $94
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, thumb button.
  
• Cons: Ugly, no twist yaw
  
  CH Fighterstick: $116
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, 4-way Hat thumb switch
  
• Cons: Ugly, No twist Yaw
  
• I own this and this is my primary stick for Elite
  
  CH Flight Sim Yoke: $120
  
  
• Pros: Can double as a driving wheel!
  
• Cons: No triggers, not a lot of buttons, some players have reported yokes don't work well for twitchy flight gameplay like combat.
  
  CH Pro Pedals: $121
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, Very Responsive, doubles as gas & brake pedals for driving games!
  
• Cons: Pedals are a bit close together, some male players have reported this is uncomfortable, the springs that recenter the pedals are really strong and take getting used to.
  
• I own this and it is my primary yaw pedals.
  
  CH Pro Throttle: $123
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, very responsive throttle, mini analog stick,
  
• Cons: Throttles Physical Range is a bit short, no center indent or tension control, Kinda ugly, mini stick might require high deadzones.
  
• I own this and it is my primary throttle
  
  CH Eclipse Yoke: $201
  
  
• Pros: Good for Flying & Driving, plenty of buttons, and flappy paddles for yaw or gear shifting
  
• Cons: No triggers, might not be ideal for combat.
  
• I want one.
  
  Also note that the joysticks and throttles from the Thrustmaster FCS and Warthog can be bought separately making them worth considering as options here.
  
  FINALLY I will leave you with a word of warning. The Saitek X-55 and X-56 might look tempting, but they have shoddy build quality and will break on you. I used to have an X-55, and I've seen the inside of the X-56 and they both have the same problems. They are a time bomb, do not buy them. Also someone will more than likely eventually comment saying they own one of these devices and have had zero issues out of them, lucky them I hope they never have an issue, but Saitek is known for terrible Quality Control and with the exception of the X-52 buying a Saitek product is not worth the gamble even though Logitech now owns them and is known for great build quality, there are too many items from when Mad Catz owned them floating around in the wild.

The Thrustmaster T-1600FM might be around your budget if you can get it.

I would suggest adding a little more and getting the Saitek X52

If you're on a budget get the Thrustmaster T.1600M FCS HOTAS kit that comes with the TWCS throttle. Everything cheaper has crap sensors.

EDIT: For convenience: https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=thrustmaster+twcs&qid=1554676370&s=gateway&sr=8-2

I've always heard the thrustmaster T.16000m hotas is the best "cheap" hotas

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I have one, and love it. As far as lateral/vertical thrusters are concerned, there is an analog stick for your left hand pointer finger on the throttle that works great. The stick itself has HALL Effect sensors (same sensors as the very pricey Warthog stick) and is very accurate. It's mostly plastic of course, but at that price point it's a given. The stick buttons (on the base) are kind of useless in VR, but since you aren't running E:D in VR it isn't an issue.

The only real downside is the throttle lubricant from the factory is pretty garbage. I spent a few minutes taking the base off of the bottom and putting some Nyogel 767a lubricant and it has been perfect since.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

It's costs a little bit more than your budget, but I've heard nothing but good things about it.

I'm assuming you have a T.Flight HOTAS X, which is what I used to use. It's a good HOTAS for the simpler planes like the SU-25T, but you're going to have to get good at using modifiers, or make some concessions.

I'd highly recommend rebinding the slew controls for the TV to the 8 way you're using for trim, or create a modifier for it. DCS was not designed for large amounts of keyboard use, using the keyboard to move all your sensors is not advised.

"I feel like controls could be a bit simpler"

The SU-25 is really as simple as it gets, the aircraft is not fully modelled. The full fidelity modules have the whole cockpit modelled, so all the switches and stuff actually work. I don't want to sound like a "gate keeper", more people getting into DCS is always a good thing, but DCS isn't easy, you need to know what you're in for. It's going to take a lot of time, you're not going to be good in a week, or even a month. Practise practise practise.

You don't specifically need a really good HOTAS for DCS, but it really helps. As waffle also said, don't put your keyboard behind your screen if you need to use it. If you want a good HOTAS recommendation the T.16000M is very good, I own pretty much all the modules, and it's been perfect for all of them.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I'm loving my [Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS pack] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA). (TWCS is the throttle, FCS is the combo)
Default bindings for the throttle aren't there (since it's brand new) but the stick that comes with it is among the most popular (Thrustmaster T16000M). Another advantage of this, if you decide to go dual stick, you already have an ambidextrous one.

If you're on a budget, the [Thrustmaster HOTAS X] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-Pc/dp/B001CXYMFS) isn't half bad, but it is decidedly entry level.

Edit: corrected TWCS to FCS and added Amazon links.

I see someone already mention DCS, but since you mention something to ease in to the world of flight sims, i wouldn't recommend it, at least for now. DCS is as hardocore sim as it gets for civilians.

Then you have FSX, a good compromise between realism/accessibility, though it is kind of a dead game that has no further development.

Another alternative is Take on Helicopters, from Bohemia Interactive, the makers of ARMA.
Decent flight model, lots of mission content that actually puts the flying to use, and comes at a great price. Only downside is it needs a PC with a very good processor to run smoothly.

ARMA3, i suppose is also an alternative, it uses the same flight model, got tons of choppers and has better performance nowadays cause its always being optimized (still needs good CPU though). It´s a military sandbox with much more to do than just flying (infantry, all sorts of vehicles, it's huge) and the flight model has 2 versions, easy, and advances (taken from take on helicopters), the sceneries (maps) are gorgeous and very detailed and i truly enjoy flying in it.

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As for controls; the [new thrustmaster HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA) came out recently, has wonderful reviews. If it´s anything like it's predecessor (which i own), it's unbeatable in price/quality ratio,

HOTAS is great and fairly easy to learn, though I heard double joystick is better for control.

I use the Thrustmaster T-16000M HOTAS which I know is pretty popular.

I'm hoping SC will have a preset for this set up at some point, because it becomes way easier to tweak it from a default setup than start completely over (for me).

For reference I've only been using HOTAS for about a month and I'm already 10x better at flying than I was. Also my landing looks way better ;)

Depends on your budget.

I'd recommend this if your budget allows for it.

If not, the Logitech 3D Pro is the best stick for your money imo.

I'd recommend picking up pedals especially if you're into general aviation flying but definitely get a joystick as your first purchase. As far as yokes go, the lower end ones are generally not worth it and the next options are in the $400-500+ USD range. Some users are happy with their CH/Saitek yokes but I didn't have a great experience with them.

all depends on how much you want to spend

step 1 GOOD PC - too much to talk about

step 2 joystick/yoke
extreme 3d pro

T.16000M FCS HOTAS

[Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Yoke System ](https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?
Item=N82E16826197226)

Step 3 ruder - don't need this right away nice to have

hmm descent price combo

Logitech G PRO Flight Rudder Pedals

for your reference i use this

Warthog

MFG Crosswind

track ir

Unless you're rich and just happy to splurge on whatever's the top of the line, just get a cheap one to start with. Most people start with the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, which is cheap and plasticky but it has all the buttons you need and works absolutely fine. I have 1000+ hours in E:D and have never felt the need to upgrade from this HOTAS, though I'll probably get something better when it eventually breaks.

If you find you really like the HOTAS experience and feel like you want to dump some money into it, then you can get something like the Thrustmaster T 1600M or the Logitech X52.

And if you really like it and want to go higher end, there are a few options for that. Just be warned that they start to get real expensive.

The screenshots on Amazon have a Ace Combat 7 sticker on it. Hopefully it will!

Take a look at the 16000m FCS:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Personally I think it's a much better option than the X52, both in terms of build quality and precision.

Expensive solution, but less expensive than a laptop; wall mounted rack. You will usually see them in medical buildings, bracket to hold the PC, conduit to route the wiring, a mount for the monitor(s), and a mount for the keyboard and another for mouse. Should run at least $250-$400.

For $700 you can get something like the Volair Sim, which is a bit more ideal for gaming for obvious reasons.

Some alternatives

If you can afford it I wholly recommend the new Hotas ThrustMaster. Plug and play for ps4. small driver download for pc.

The T.Flight Hotas 4 (PS4/PC version) is $70 on Amazon. I'd expect the Hotas One to be a similar price

Wait for the new HOTAS from Thrustmaster that is actually DESIGNED for space sims. Seriously looks awesome. It will be out in like 2 weeks, and you can pre-order it now.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474652207&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+FCS

HOTAS if you plan to fly

Wheel if you plan to drive

Gun Stock if you plan to play online FPS

SkullCap if you sweat a lot, it will keep your hair from making your headset wet

Mamut grips for comfort

sure, I'll copy/paste here:

The higher-end ones tend to be what's called a H.O.T.A.S (Hands On Throttle And Stick). essentially this is a packaged deal with a joystick and throttle quadrant, and is useful for not having to take your eyes (or hands) off the throttle and stick while flying. Some of these can be expensive like the Thrustmaster Warthog, considered the high end of the sticks. The issue with this as well, is it's modeled off a A-10 Warthog's inputs, so you'll also need to get rudder pedals as well since there is no Z-axis twist on the stick.
For more budget options, I have heard really great things about the T-16000 M. You can also buy the stick and throttle separately if you dont have the cash for both right now.

Another company is VKB, a Russian company but uses magnetic "MARS" sensors. I actually use their Black Mamba and love it, however the item has since been discontinued and the company itself is hard to get hold of. They currently have affordable sticks modeled on the German KG12 - flight stick used in BF109's and FW 190's (although no throttle quadrant with it). Available on Amazon its called Gladiator

Saitek makes several sticks, however they're in a transitioning period. They were just bought-out by Logitech and some people have complained about quality issues with their newer sticks and lack of customer support, so I'd only recommend them if you can get a great deal on a stick on sale, or possibly a used one for cheap. Their models are the X52 Pro, X-55, and X-65. I had the 52 Pro and never had any issues, but its one of those buy beware moments with them right now.

And then there's really affordable sticks that work fine too, such as the logitech extreme 3d pro and Thrustmaster T-Flight X. These are reliable sticks that lack some of the fancy things like buttons and dials for radiator management for example. I know guys who fly using these and love it.

Another thing that is highly recommended to get, but is not required to play the game, is called a Track IR. If you watch in my video, I'm swiveling my head back and forth to check my 6, and make sure theres no enemy aircraft diving on us. I'm not using the mouse, or any input to look around, rather I have a clip on my headset that uses IR sensors to turn my head in game without having to take my hands off the HOTAS. Here's a video of how it works. Again, not necessary to buy, but one of those things to hope to get down the road. There are free alternatives called Freetrack which uses a webcam, I think. I havent messed with that but I know a few guys who do use it and are happy with it.

I think thats a fairly decent summary. Feel free to PM with any questions, or check out our group's forums if you'd like to do some more research
http://aircombatgroup.co.uk/forum/index.php

You can also check out r/hotas which is a great community dealing with news, special offers, user reviews, etc

Cheers!

That isn't a Madcatz fightstick. That's the Dragon Slay universal Fightstick.


DRAGON SLAY Universal Pro Elite Arcade Fight Stick Controller - 8 Button Compatible with Switch, PS4, Xbox One, PC & Android

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0713YY1LY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vZEEDbDC7HEB4

Get one of these puppy's makes it a lot more fun and immersive.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Windows/dp/B075S7LG8X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523002433&sr=8-1&keywords=xbox+one+hotas

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas One

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07643TW2V

If I was buying now, I'd get the new T1600M setup. Haven't used that throttle, but I have the previous version of the t1600m stick and I've been happy with it.

T16000M FCS
and TFRP
both by Thrustmaster are a good combo and will only run you for about 200.
This guy did a pretty decent review on it.
Or you could do the TFRP pedals with the x-56 AND a trackIR included in the combo on amazon if you don't have one and it will run you just under 500.

The warthog stick and throttle and the TFRP pedals will put you right at 500 via amazon if you don't need trackir so there's that.

I need to get a life.

Here's my list. I just bought my Vive a few days ago, so some suggestions aren't things I have but haven't yet tried.

Games I've played and recommend:

• Project Cars: $10.19 through the Humble Bundle store, and the cheapest it's ever gone was $9.89, so it's at a pretty good deal right now. Do yourself a favor and buy yourself a Logitech Driving Force GT, which can be found for roughly $50-$100 on Craig's List. The experience with a wheel is insane!
  
• Distance: $9.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 50% off. Amazing gameplay, crazy physics, evolving landscapes and flexible gameplay, supports multiplayer. It's early access but is from a proven developer and it's already very far along. Plays with a standard controller.
  
• Elite Dangerous: If you're into space sims, this is the one to get. With a Vive, it's nothing short of amazing. Again, get yourself a HOTAS. I'd recommend the Saitek X52 Pro because Elite Dangerous modeled the controls visible in the cockpit after them, but the standard X-52 is also fine and can be found on Craig's List for $50-$100. Both have pre-defined profiles within ED and don't require much (if any) settings modification. Some recommend the Thrustmaster Warthog but it's $400 dollars and doesn't support 3rd-axis twist. Go with the Saitek.
  
• Bazaar: $1.99, so 60% off on the Humble Bundle store right now. Odd, mysterious, low-poly style.
  
• Manastorm: Champions of G'nar: $4.99 on the Humble Bundle store. It's basically Magic: The Gathering or Hearthstone in VR, where your spells summon creatures on the battlefield shooting spells require you to actually aim to be effective. Early access, so no deckbuilding or multiplayer yet, but a fun tech demo. I really hope they finish it as it's very well done.
  
• Soundboxing: $7.99, though it's been as cheap as $4.79. DDR meets Guitar Hero in 3D with YouTube videos and dancing robots. It's just as glorious as it sounds, and can be a great workout.
  
• Castle Must Be Mine: $6.99. Tower Defense like Kingdom Rush, but you're leaning over/through the table/battlefield. I really like this implementation of tower defense and I'm looking forward to more games like this.
  
• Kindled Cavern: $4.49, 10% off. Low-poly cave exploration from a fellow Redditor.
  
• Poly Runner VR: Free, endless runner (flier) in a low-poly art style. Gameplay is so-so, but it's kind of pretty.
  
• InMind and InCell: Both free. First designed for Google Cardboard, and great examples of what could be done with the platform. Gameplay is mostly linear and interaction is done by staring directly at things. Very good production quality. InMind shrinks you down to the size of a molecule and sends you to zap neurons that are making a patient depressed. InCell is zapping a virus from inside a cell. InMind works quite well. InCell may have bugs but it might be my system.
  
• LightBlade VR: $3.99 lightsaber game. Kinda lame, but also kinda fun. May or may not be worth $4.
  
• Skeet: VR Target Shooting: Free. Basic target shooting. Kinda lame but kinda fun, and it's free. One reviewer said it was a good way to introduce non-gamers/techies to VR.
  
• The Lab: Free. Sort of a comprehensive tech demo in the Portal universe.
  
• Accounting: Free. Note: this game has nothing to do with accounting and is absolutely not work safe. This is some weird shit, yo.
  
  Games I've bought/downloaded but haven't yet played:
  
  
• Gnomes & Goblins: Free. Another interactive tech demo, but looks amazing.
  
• The Night Cafe: Free. Another interactive experience, based on the works of Vincent Van Gogh.
  
• PolyDome: Free. A musically-themed tech demo.
  
• The Price of Freedom: Free. A story about the CIA's MK Ultra. As such, it's probably very creepy.
  
• Quanero VR: Free. An interactive experience that reminds me a bit of Infamous.
  
• Senza Peso: Free. A visually-stunning presentation.
  
• VRchaeology: Free. Archaeology in VR. Looks excellent, but I haven't been able to try it yet because my house's VR area isn't large enough. I'll try it out at my office sometime soon.
  
• VR Sailing: Free. Visually, it appears more visually impressive than VR Regatta, but I think VR Regatta might have the edge on gameplay. VR Sailing is free whereas VR Regatta is $5.99.
  
• Lazerbait: Free. Like a VR version of Auralux, (a game by another fellow Redditor), but is actually based on an older game called Galcon. I haven't played it yet but it looks good.
  
• Nevermind: $4.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 75% off. A psychological horror game that claims to increase your stress while playing by using your webcam. Dunno how realistic that claim is, but it's a cool idea. I've heard good things about it before.
  
• Yon Paradox: $0.89 - hard to go wrong at that price. The Steam review says the VR is problematic, but I mostly bought it because of cheap prices and pretty colors. If it sucks, it was under a dollar.
  
• VRNinja: $6.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 30% off. Duck, squat, and move out of the way of projectiles thrown by hidden Ninjas in beautiful scenes. Currently at the cheapest price it's been, but it's only 30% off the normal price of $9.99 so not a big deal if you miss it.
  
• Legend of Dungeon: $3.29, so 67% off. It's been as cheap as $1.99 before. Cute, retro/8-bit theme, but that's extruded in 3D and has AMAZING lighting. Cheap, beautiful, and pretty fun/neat looking gameplay.
  
• Catlateral Damage: $4.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 50% off. You're a cat knocking stuff off shelves in first-person because your owner isn't paying enough attention to you. Yes, really. Stupid, silly, but looks fun.
  
• Child of Ault: $9.99. Described as a tower defense/shooter hybrid. Very polished. I haven't played it yet, but it looks very good.
  
• Holoball: $7.49, so 50% off. Pure, glorious, 80s 3D pong. Looked fun.
  
• I Hate Santa: $2.69, so 10% off. Cheap, so hard to go wrong. Hit waves of Christmas-themed enemies with snowballs. Looked stupid, silly, and fun. Haven't tried it yet.
  
• Portal Stories: VR: Free, 8 tests in the Portal 2 engine in VR, so requires Portal 2. Haven't played, looked nice.
  
• Rec Room: Free. Online multiplayer arcade-style games like Mini golf, air hockey, paintball, Cards Against Humanity, etc. Has a very Nintendo Wii feel to it. Haven't tried it yet but it looked nice.
  
• Acan's Call: Free. Dungeon hack 'n slash. Looks fun.
  
• Gorn: Free. Utterly ridiculous arena gladiator fighting. Be extra cautious with walls and nearby people in the real world: people have broken their controllers playing this game.
  
• DCS World: "Free", but you have to buy the vehicles, which range from $10-$60 each. I'm told this is the end-all, be-all of military simulation, but I can't vouch for that yet.
  
• DreamLand: Free. Looks visually incredible, but some people have reported functionality issues.
  
• Goalkeep VR: $3.99. Haven't tried it yet but I bought it because one reviewer said "Simple. Fun. I'm a retired hockey goalie. When on "Bullet" mode it felt like I was playing again."
  
• Spell Fighter VR: Free. Dungeon hack n' slash with spells. Looks interesting.
  
• Surge: Free. Supposedly an amazing music video. Haven't tied it yet.
  
• Trials on Tattooine: Free. Basically a mini Star Wars shooter/lightsaber experience. Might be a better (and cheaper) alternative to Lightblade VR, but I haven't tried it yet so I don't know.
  
• VR Multigames: Free. A small collection of minigames: archery, lightsaber and blaster, goalkeeper, etc. Looked fun, haven't tried it yet.
  
• Waltz of the Wizard: A tech demo that's visuall impressive.
  
  I've run out of room and have a bit more, so will continue this in a second comment.
  
  Edit: fixed some bad links. Sorry!

This one

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=xbox%2Bone%2Bhotas&qid=1565221551&s=gateway&sr=8-2&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07643TW2V/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526046501&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=xbox+one+hotas&dpPl=1&dpID=41lqzoyaP0L&ref=plSrch

Options I recommend:

• The Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X - This is entry level HOTAS that goes for $40-50 USD. 12 buttons, an 8-way hat, twist stick, and rudder rocker. This tends to have the "a little short of controls" problem, as Elite has lots of stuff to bind, so you'll likely want to either use the keyboard for more buttons or set up a series of modifiers like this to fit everything on it. The HOTAS One and HOTAS 4 (for the Xbox and PS4, respectively, though both are also PC compatible) are slightly upgraded versions of this stick, with the same exterior, but improved internals tightening the deadzone and making them a bit more precise. They're usually more expensive than the X, but you might catch them on sale for cheaper occasionally. Note that this unit only uses 1 USB port, as the throttle and stick are connected to each other via a cable (about 20" long). This is something to keep in mind if you plan on mounting them to chair arms or something. I personally used this unit previously. It's a perfectly good setup, though I personally found the lack of buttons to be annoying after awhile. Note that the throttle has a detent at 50%, making it nicely suited to full range operation, with the detent separating forward and reverse.
  
• The Thrustmaster Stick X. This unit is basically the above, but without the throttle and the buttons transferred to the stick base along with a throttle slider. Rings in at a little cheaper.
  
• The Thrustmaster T16000M. This is a refreshed version of the classic T16000M, with minor exterior changes (reshaped hat, reshaped trigger, reshaped throttle, and tactile indicators on the base buttons). It's notable for being one of the rare ambidextrous sticks (you just swap out a couple parts to switch it) Unlike the X (which uses potentiometers), this unit uses contactless hall effect sensors, giving it very smooth motion with excellent precision. 16 buttons, an 8-way hat, twist stick and throttle slider. More buttons available than the X. The stick by itself rings in at about the same price as the HOTAS X.
  
  Moving up, there's the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS. This is the above T16000M stick along with Thrustmaster's new TWCS throttle. Totalling them up, you get 19 buttons, two 8-way hats, two 4-way hats, a two-way switch, an analog stick, throttle slider, rudder rocker, and an analog dial, which is plenty of room for all the stuff you need (note that the throttle has no detent, so you'll probably want to run it forward only with a button assigned to reverse). This is what I personally use and I quite like it. Note that all the components of this set are available separately and can function independently (each needs its own USB port, so you might want to buy a hub with these). So you could buy the stick today and the throttle next month. Or buy the throttle and some other stick or buy two sticks, or whatever. There's also a set of pedals available if that's your jam.
  
  As for the money making, there are basically 3 options.
  
  
• Core mining for void opals - See CMDR Madprophet's mining guide and/or Yekbot's visual guide to core mining for information on this.
  
• Hotspot laser mining for painite or low temperature diamonds - See this video for information on that. Method is identical for both, only difference is what location you go to.
  
• Robigo passenger missions - See this video for information on that.

This screen which I'm pretty sure is Available in the US under a different name
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07DCT8PCB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vsHYCbT5AMKEZ

With these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_BtHYCbXDD1MSW

And some of this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00186Q9AK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_7tHYCbN4FMBJA

Multi Function Displays for flight sims.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY

This would be the equivalent of on-screen controls for mobile games. They suck to use because there's no physical feedback, other than maybe some haptics. People who already have setups probably won't have any interest in it, and there's already a really good, relatively inexpensive option for a HOTAS, which is the Thrustmaster FCS. It isn't as cheap as I thought, but it's still less than $200. The only thing you're missing is some pedals, but they're not strictly required. Not being able to see the controls isn't really an issue, because all the buttons and hats are within finger's (or thumb's) reach. It's just more a matter of memorizing the layout of your custom keybinds.

Also, I don't know how it would be implemented, but it would probably have a significant performance impact if it is possible.

>will I have to buy a numpad?

Buy a HOTAS. A decent one will give you more than enough buttons, and if you are going to play DCS a lot, it's really the only way to do it.

Otherwise, you'll need several layers of modifier binds.

At the $150 price point, the thrust master FCS is your best bet. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

He is using a tablet behind an MFD with free roccat power grid software created by Third.

MFD: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HH9TRY/ref=s9_simh_gw_g147_i2_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=006AKF572XMD36HCCGR7&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

Free software for tablet: http://www.roccat.org/en-US/Products/Gaming-Software/Power-Grid/Store/Grids/Games/Simulation/553/

For holders you could use something like: http://www.amazon.com/PUREX-Technology-Tablet-swivel-extended/dp/B00D3205WU/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=31sPGznq17L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR103%2C160_&refRID=112Q343BKWGJHE6F9KF1

That one is for 7-8.5" tablets. there is a 9-10.5" version as well.

Here's the only one that I know of that works with the PS4. Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Flight Stick for PS4 & PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_p2ozzb8XHV38Y
I have it and LOVE IT! It took a bit of time to customize the controls to my liking, but once I got used to it, I can't go back to a controller.

Hands On Throttle And Stick. (Had to look it ip myself a while ago). A joystick and throttle. Here is the one for PS4

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

(not sure if others besides this one will work on the system). Ordered one myself to maybe try it out. Might see how it works on the PS4 controller first though.

As far as I know, the only HOTAS with out-of-the-box support for PS4 is the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS 4. I would love to see it supported, and would buy the game the instant it became available for that reason alone despite already owning it on Xbox.

A joystick is ideal for this. I use this joystick and throttle combo (there are better ones out there, like the T1600M). A lot of people use dual joysticks or joystick and keyboard. There are a lot of controls so you need a lot of buttons, but if you're doing joystick and keyboard you should have plenty even if your stick is light on buttons.

Lol, that’s the million dollar question. I’m not sure what your budget is but I seem to think I’ve heard good things about the Thrustmaster T1600 stick and throttle T1600 Amazon. I hope that link works but it looks like the stick and throttle are $129 for the pair and that seems like a good deal to me but I got my setup a few years ago so not sure about the pricing and deals that they have now. My setup is also a Thrustmaster but it’s the Warthog Hotas which is a bit higher on the price scale but I’ve been happy with the brand. I hope this helps a bit.

The Thrustmaster 16000M, either by itself, as a hotas, or as a hosas is regarded as a good entry level stick by many.

edit: best way to make credits in-game by far is mining, either surface mining for painite or core mining for void opals. Easily 100m/hr or more if you know what you're doing, and/or follow one of the many guides on youtube. I can't personally advise though as I've been actively avoiding it. I don't want to be rich so quick I have no idea what to do with it.

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Joystick if you're REALLY pressed for space. Otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, which includes the HOTAS half of the setup. I think it's easily the best setup for the money.

edit: fixed the first link.

Sounds like the TM T-16000m is a better overall hotas for the same price.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I'm using that and it works great.

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-945-000025/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1525367288&sr=1-4&keywords=hotas&dpID=41aijb9PAtL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I got that for my brother because I love him more than he loves me and he seems to like it. However they did some software/firmware upgrades on it that apparently limited customisability.

Getting a proper Hotas will make ED much much better even in non VR mode.

I've heard mixed things about saitek hotas'. While they look and feel really good, I hear they break pretty easily and saitek customer service is shitty AFAIK.

I'd recommend getting the thrustmaster t.16000m Hotas.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501722497&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=thrustmaster+t-16000m&dpPl=1&dpID=41FobH-77SL&ref=plSrch


It was designed with elite dangerous in mind, I think they collaborated with Frontier.
This is what I have and it's fantastic for elite dangerous. They button layout on the throttle is really smart, although the lack of buttons on the stick itself is slightly annoying. In Canada it was cheaper than the x52 by $50 and I couldn't be happier with it.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=horta+xbox+one+flight+stick&qid=1564683263&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr1

This one works for Xbox on the following games:

Ace Combat 6,
Ace Combat 7,
Elite Dangerous,
Air Missions HIND,
War Thunder, and
Flying Tiger: Shadow Over China

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T-Flight-HOTAS-One-Xbox/dp/B07643TW2V here you go

So many people have defective Saitek products. It is a purchase you will regret, especially since support no longer exists. If you can afford it, the best "cheap" hotas it the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500404241&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

Not a fix for not being able to switch the in game model to a lefty, but Thrustmaster makes a hotas setup that has a fully ambidextrous flight stick, comes with all the parts to convert it to left handed mode.

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_wEHyybZ9D0G1B

It's a cheap(er) HOTAS, it's biggest upside is a lot of inputs, if you're looking for something that will guarantee to last a long time I wouldn't look at a recent Saitek/Madcatz as a first choice. IMO the throttle is a much nicer unit than the stick and worth hanging on to. The stick layout is okay, my only gripe is the shape of the hats, and unless you have large hands it's a stretch from the base resting position to the top switches, if that base was a half-inch or so higher it would be a lot better.

I have one, and I really like it, I've had it for since mid 2014 and I haven't experienced any failures. I guess I'm lucky, but you get what you pay for for things like this. In fairness, Hotasessesse's across the board have much higher failure rates than any other peripheral input device such as mice and simple sticks like a Logitech Attack-3/5. CH and TM products aren't flawless, but they are better built and more consistent, worth spending the money on if you have it.

However, with the changeover in the parent company (MC -> Logitech) I would keep an eye on them. If you need something right-the-f***-now without spending much, a Thrustmaster T1600M FCS kit just came out as TM's answer to a proper budget hotas, and the reviews are good so far. Just keep in mind that it's built to fit a low cost so don't expect a lot of metal.

WOW! Thank you everyone for the advice you've given me.

I'm not even gonna start the game for a bit. I'm moving to a 2BR place at the end of the month, and the second bedroom is gonna become my VR space.

I think I'm gonna save up a bit and get this chair and this HOTAS setup.

Then I'm gonna get lost in space.

You can get a brand new Saitek yoke with throttles for less than $200 on Amazon. Goes under the name of Logitech G nowadays since Logitech bought Saitek a while back. So it's definitely not worth $350 used, not even with rudders, which you can get brand new for like $150. You're paying new price for something that's used. If you're buying used, don't spend more than $200 for a complete set.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PRO-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B01LYPMTPT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524675041&sr=8-1&keywords=Logitech+G+Pro+Flight

Other than that, it's a decent yoke. It's not amazing, but it gets the job done.

And also look for CH rudder pedals. They are a little narrow, but they are pretty good. You can get them new for like $100-120, and used for like $50.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CH-Products-Pro-Pedals-USB-Flight-Simulator-Pedals/292534413435?hash=item441c68e87b:g:djEAAOSw9uNa3Sa3

They also have yokes, but most people seem to prefer Saitek's yoke over CH.

Frame: Volair Sim Universal Flight or Racing Simulation Cockpit Chassis with Triple Monitor Mounts https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AGYXUKW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_miyVAb55BEEJF

Monitors: Acer Gaming Monitor 24" XFA240 bmjdpr 1920 x 1080 144Hz Refresh Rate 1ms Response Time AMD FREESYNC Technology with Height, Pivot, Swivel & Tilt (Display Port, HDMI/MHL, & DVI Port) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYHZ6R6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_sjyVAb2BBS676

HOTAS: Logitech G Saitek X52 Pro Flight Contol System https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_okyVAbPZ9H8N0

Side panel: Logitech G Saitek Farm Sim Vehicle Side Panel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M1B2MJX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ElyVAbGR3K2HG

CH pro throttle is ideal for this and strafe control in space sims. The analog thumb stick is perfect. In DCS I use it for sensor slew, just like what you're asking for. In space, it's an ideal strafe control for full 6 DOF.

Also, what's your budget? If you are set on a stick control and don't mind a more colorful device, I'm kinda curious about this thing: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M1B2MJX/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492648484&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=saitek+farming+simulator

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-945-000030-Flight-Switch-Panel/dp/B01M1BNTZN/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=logitech+flight+panel&qid=1564086137&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Maybe you cajole ask a relative if they want to join and buy your brother it as a joint present as it is slightly above your price range but as a 13 year old who loves flight sim, I know that he would really appreciate this.

$606 in total, better sytem than i am running right now. i run with medium-high-1080p settings and get 40 to 60 fps.

$160 GTX 1050 Ti Low Profile 4GB https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=n82e16814125952

$180 refurbished i7-3770 dell https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1VK-0001-194P9

$64 replace the ram with this ram https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD8U8EA0882

$100 1080p monitor 23.6" https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-174

$30 redragon mechanical keyboard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016MAK38U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_LSh.BbDPTKC4C

$12 redragon mouse https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HTK1NCS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ATh.BbG9YRN3C

$60 hotas one (pc ready) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_wUh.BbC43AC0G


OR

brand new ryzen 3 build $710. (buy the video card at EVGA midweek madness every wednesday.)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor | $89.99 @ Newegg Business
Motherboard | Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $59.99 @ Amazon
Memory | Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory | $65.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $39.99 @ Monoprice
Video Card | EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB SSC GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card | Purchased For $130.00
Case | Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case | $36.73 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply | EVGA - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $32.99 @ Monoprice
Operating System | Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit | $98.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Corsair - CO-9050016-RLED 52.19 CFM 120mm Fan | $18.67 @ OutletPC
Monitor | Asus - VN248H-P 23.8" 1920x1080 Monitor | $89.99 @ Newegg
Keyboard | Redragon - K552 Wired Gaming Keyboard | $29.99 @ Amazon
Mouse | Redragon - Centrophorus M601 Wired Optical Mouse | $11.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $705.31
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-26 18:10 EST-0500 |

Thrustmaster VG Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS One - Xbox One https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_p-F9AbNQD08JY

Over at /r/hotas the Thrustmaster T-Flight sticks are favored due to a far better sensor mechanism.

Stick only for $27 US

Stick + Throttle for $40 US

It's been mentioned more than a few times here. Personally my next purchase will probably be this. If elite ever catches up with modern flight sim APIs I'll even retrofit them with LCD panels to create other displays like this guy did.

Those are almost certainly Cougar MFDs, you can get them and just tack them over a normal screen to provide buttons.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY?th=1

Unless you're willing to spend a ton of $$ on a high-end yoke, you'll just be disappointed. You'll be happier with something like a Thrustmaster T 16000M. (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA)

Most of the $100-$200 yokes just aren't that good, and you'll end up being frustrated with it. And you won't have any issues transferring stick/hotas in a sim to a yoke in plane.

Head tracking is an advantage, but not a must (I do fine without it). Get yourself an entry level HOTAS such as the thrustmaster t.16000m fcs.

This will give you more than enough money for an entry level module. I'd recommend the non-clicky-cockpit Flaming Cliffs 3 pack and/or a simple clicky-pit plane like the F-5E Tiger II

i bought the thrustmaster t16000m for my first hotas. got hundreds of hours on it and its not bad for an entry level for the price. https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=thrustmaster+t16000&qid=1562728707&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Most affordable and best overall inexpensive two part HOTAS would be this...

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https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=hotas&qid=1563229920&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Dual T16000M seem to be really popular on this subreddit. Its getting a Elite Dangerous Tie in update next month. The stick is the same but comes with a brand new throttle that has an anlaog hat.


https://www.amazon.com/Guillemot-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Flight/dp/B001S0RTU0


https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I've never seen anyone use a 6 DOF mouse before.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1486676441&sr=8-3&keywords=t16000m

Very happy with these in my setup.

Check out VTOL VR. It is completely playable with only the Touch controllers.

That being said, DCS is tons of fun in VR. I use a Thrustmaster T16000M stick and throttle which works great with most of the modules.

This HOTAS is great for a budget but you may run out of programmable buttons.

This is the HOTAS I use for Elite, I personally think it is the "best bang for your buck". The HOTAS also comes with a twists stick so you don't need pedals.

Better than nothing, but a joystick would be the ideal thing. There's a reason if joysticks are used on real planes!

I've had this one for years and it still works basically perfectly despite the hell i put it through. Another really popular and cheap joystick is this one. If you want to search for others, check if they have a rudder axis. The ones i linked allow you to control the rudder by twisting the stick, but some cheapo joysticks don't have that, and trust me, you're gonna need it.

Have you considered the Cougar MFDs by Thrustmaster?https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY

Plenty of buttons, and if you are creative or into DIY you can even modify them with small screens to function as true MFDs

Heh, they're wonky little Thrustmaster F-16 MFD panels. Along with the Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar... they work nicely with Falcon BMS.

It's just bits of paper within the center of those MFDs... I prefer that though to the empty look. Some people get fancy and mount little monitors behind them and then run MFD extract utilities such that they actually do work as you'd expect.

I bought a Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack and spent a few minutes programing them to work with my X55.

I ended up using only one of the two in the pack as it has 28 individual buttons, which is more than enough for my needs.

3D printing different size MFD "frames" would be a cool idea. Though getting the buttons working would be quite the feat of custom work.

Just to be clear, the Panel he is using is Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack Flight Control Panels and the buttons work like mapped joystick buttons.

I use these and they are great for systems/power/shield management.

Yes, yes, yes please!

Especially because I want these...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HH9TRY?colid=254YWRLLN8MXY&coliid=I3L2GVQ2Q1QHC3&psc=1&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl

Specs since I know you fellow neckbeards may want to build one of your own:

Feel free to ask questions and I can do what I can to answer

-i7-6900k

-32gb DDR4

-1TB EVO 840 SSD

-GTX 1080

- $450 Thrustmaster Warthog

-$90 Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals

-$750 Volair Sim Seat

-$800 HTC Vive Pro

Psh, the real thing has monitor mounts.

Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals for PC & Playstation 4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_D.WJAb7XRZASP

This is the video he linked to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ormVjGh5o&feature=youtu.be&t=2m18s



Link to the page: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation/product-reviews/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_one?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews&showViewpoints=0

No, they make one:
Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Flight Stick for PS4 & PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_UG4-zbSZG3JCS

I never played on the PC, but I have it on the XBOX. honestly, I don't think you'll be missing much. The controls are super solid, and if it doesn't quite fit what you need, you can always tweak it. I've personally never had any issues with it, in fact, I'm still using the default controls.

Also, on PS4, if you REALLY want a HOTAS, you can definitely order some for cheap. I'm debating it myself.

But all in all, the controls are super solid! I wouldn't be very worried.

Also, check out /r/ElitePS for the PS4 player of Elite!

I am new to DCS, a long time flight sim nut and working on my pilot's license. I bought many of the planes (A-10C, F/A-18C, FC3 and the F-5E). I could not decide so it was better to buy them all since they were on sale lol! What I found out was the F-18 and the F-5E are the two I enjoy with the F-5E what I am enjoying most. I feel more like I am having to work more to fly it but in a good way. Fun to startup but not excessive, fun to fly and land. I think I actually like that I do not have all of the toys. The aggressors campaign for the F-5E has been fun to learn on since I also bought the Nevada map. The F/A-18C is a weapons platform, but the real joy is taking off and landing on a carrier.

I bought a cheap HOTAS as I just could not fly with the XBOX controller. It know that it is not the Warthog HOTAS (maybe Christmas 2019 now that there is the F/A-18 add-on stick), but for $70, I cannot stress how much better it is without a deep investment. I got a friend in on the game and he got the A-10C because he wants close quarters bombing and strafing runs and he bought the PS4 version of my stick and loving it.

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V?th=1

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/

Here's one for $69.99

And here's one for $39.81

Haven't used either one, but I've heard they're pretty decent.

It's the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 I bought it at Best Buy for about $60. Currently, EVE Valkerie Elite Dangerous and War Thunder support it. Upcoming Ace Combat 7 and I'm sure other flight based games will as well. EVE alone makes it amazing!

Flight stick https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015PJ68BK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491012906&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=hotas+4

Their Amazon link is $249 in the US.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CZTSS3O

In case you ever wanna switch to the dark side, I've posted a breakdown of the current hotas situation on the vive subreddit before, lemme see if I can find it.

Found it.

The cheap end would be the T-Flight Hotas X ($50).

On the cheaper mid range side, either the Saitek x52 ($140), or the Saitek x52 Pro ($180)

On the more pricey side of the mid range I can suggest the Saitek x55/x56 ($250)

Top of the Line would be the Thrustmaster Warthog ($400)

Since then thrustmaster also released the T.16000M ($130) which as far as I know was made in communication with Frontier so it should be a pretty good fit for Elite.

Your cheapest option would be the Thrustmaster T-Flight. In your price range the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS would be a good option.

I myself use the throttle (TWCS) of the T-16000M FCS together with a Cobra M5 because I don't like that the T.16000 stick has a lot of buttons on its base, which is annoying to me/of no use in battle. But since you are in the USA (I guess, if your budget is in $) that is not really a option for you since the Cobra M5 is a europe/russian thing it costs much more in the states than here (I got mine for sub 50$, then it is worth it).

For a higher budget the x56 Rhino can be a good option, though the quality can be questionable.

If you are still unsure about your options visit /r/HOTAS, they know a lot and can help you narrow down your choices.

I assume you mean Flight Stick and/or HoTaS by controller ?

Depends on your budget, really. The default recommendation for lower budgets is the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X, it's the best of the very cheap stuff : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_t_1/144-3896507-6211029?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=68D5QCDNF8F3TNA7K8QG

But i'd really recommend to go higher-budget and get the model above, from the same manufacturer, the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

The stick is comparable, but the Throttle is a lot better.

If you're going higher-budget than that (there's really no limit to those ahAh) you should do research, /r/hotas is a good subreddit. You're likely to see a lot of recommendations for the X52 and X55 but I wouldn't really recommend them, for the price they're very plasticky, and have too high of a failure rate.

If you mean gamepad, then go with the Xbox One controller, it's fine.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Amazon (US) has both the flight stick and flight pack on sale. Not sure if they'll go any lower.-
Flightstick: $40, down from $60
Flightstick + Throttle: $97, down from $107
Flight pack: $130, down from $160

>What do I need in a computer/hardware to run this game optimally

Broadly speaking- A 4th Gen Intel i5 or better for the CPU. GTX 1060 or better for your Graphics. 16GB of RAM, and a Solid State Drive for storing the game on. DCS has some long loading times, and the SSD will cut them down as much as possible. For VR, the Graphics Card will manage but I recommend a GTX 1070 or above.

One problem you'll have getting a gaming PC right now is that RAM and Graphics Cards are both in short supply and supply. As such their prices have gone up quite a bit. Graphics cards doubling in price in some cases. While I would typically recommend building your own PC due to price and quality reasons, a prebuilt PC may actually be cheaper now. Make sure you ask around, both with your friend and on here before you buy one. We'll set you straight.


> I also am considering going VR with Rift for full immersion, would that require addition components and is it worth it?

Personally I think VR is absolutely worth it. I've had my Oculus Rift for nearly a year now and have put a few hundred hours into DCS with it. You can usually demo VR units in places like Fry's Electronics or other such shops. Sometimes even Best Buy. Give it a try some time. VR will come with everything you need out of the box. Except the Computer, of course.

>Any helpful input is much appreciated.

As far as other stuff, you'll need a Flight Stick and Throttle (HOTAS). I typically recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M as a starter all-round HOTAS. It's built well, has a lot of buttons, and is precise. You could get something lower-end, but I wouldn't recommend it. If you have something particular you want to fly, other HOTAS sets might be better suited, but the T.16000M will do anything well.

Pedals are helpful but not really something I would urge you get unless you're planning on flying Helicopters. Especially the Huey. You need a good Rudder input to tame it. If I had to recommend a set for the average user it'd probably be the CH Pro Pedals Get them used though. Trust me when I say this- CH kit are built like tanks. Get them second hand from a good Ebay seller and pocket the extra cash.

If you end up deciding to go without VR, then you will need a headtracker of some sort. They work by using a camera and some software to track the position of some Infrared LEDs attached to a hat or headset, then translate that into an input in game. This lets you look around your cockpit. That may not sound like much but it's a game changer. The official product is called TrackIR5. I don't recommend you get this. While it is the easiest to set up and is perfectly good quality, it is vastly overpriced. Trackhat or Delanclip make good products. Pair that with this camera and you're good to go.

I know that's a lot of info but DCS can be a little daunting to get into, especially if you're not already versed in PC gaming. Hopefully this helped and if you have any questions feel free to PM me :)

I'm using the T16000M and it has been great for the price. I find it fairly comfortable and there are lots of button options for various things.

That said, mine has had some build quality issues (which some googling has shown me is not terribly uncommon), and I have disassembled both the stick and throttle recently to unpinch wires and reset pots that have become misaligned. It can also do with a serious re-greasing right out of the box with a high quality grease, but that might just be me being picky.

I'm currently using the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS and it's wonderful!

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_lpo_147_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6PH6DS63FJSDJKASE19F

I'm not sure what is the current "best" is, but this is a great budget set up. It feels well built and is a pleasure to use. I believe this was developed with Elite in mind but should work fine with other games as well.

I'm not really sure what they're using. It honestly might even be bespoke controllers made from parts of the actual aircraft they're training for.

On the consumer side though there's several options depending on your budget. Just make sure what you choose also has a throttle as HOTAS is something I would consider a requirement for DCS.

If you're just starting out or if your budget isn't that great then in my opinion the best bang for your buck is a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS.

The joystick is arguably the most accurate in its price range and uses HallEffect sensors which won't degrade over time like potentiometers. It's also versatile since it's also great for space games if you decide realistic flight sims aren't for you. The throttle has an analog thumbstick for newtonian physics and there's a matching left handed stick if you want to go for a HOSAS setup instead.

If you want something more substantial and plan on flying the A10C a lot then the Thrustmaster Warthog might be for you. It's more expensive but also made from all metal and is a near exact replica of the actual flight controls.

Just be aware that it doesn't have any twist stick functionality so you'll also need rudder pedals to make the most of this setup.

If you don't care what it looks like and want something in the midrange that will last forever the CH Products Fighterstick and throttle are made by a company that mainly makes joysticks for real world heavy machinery.

They know how to make something that can take a beating and keep on ticking. My only complaint is the design hasn't changed since the 90s when it was first introduced. It still uses pots instead of HallEffect, has a lower resolution, and frankly looks a bit dated to me.

Personally I use the VPC MongoosT-50 base from Virpil. It's more modular and tunable than the other options. You can completely swap out the internal camber depending on if you want a hard center, something softer, or even none at all. You can also change the tension of the springs without having to mod it as well.

The best part though is the different grips. The main grip they offer is modeled after Russian aircraft but if I'm flying something else I can just swap it out. When I want to run CAS in an A10C I bought a separate grip from the Thrustmaster Warthog and it just screws right on to the VPC base.

Hey man, great work for a Xbox controller! Next step is a joystick. If you're looking for some cheap ones that'll do everything you need to, the [Logitech Extreme 3D Pro] (https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-963290-0403-Extreme-Joystick-Windows/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497142979&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+extreme+3d+pro) is the place to look, it's around $30 to $40 from most retailers, but the price also equates to lower quality, and not a bad experience but one that could be improved upon significantly. The next step up would be a [VKB Gladiator] (https://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-Joystick-Flight-Simulator-Controller-Stick/dp/B01G6GT49O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497143033&sr=8-1&keywords=VKB%2BGladiator&th=1). A bit of a jump in price (nearly double, can be had for around $100USD +/-$25), but most reviews say it's stellar and a couple people around this subreddit love it. The $200~ price range after that is a bit iffy, as you get sub-par quality most of the time, but the [Thrustmaster T.1600M HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_cp_63_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01KCHPRXA&pd_rd_r=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY&pd_rd_w=8TOqr&pd_rd_wg=NAt9b&psc=1&refRID=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY) has kind of alleviated that issue. Most reviews make it out to be excellent for the price. If you've got the change, I think it'd be a great place to start. Other than that there's not much in the $300-$200 price range. In the $500-$400 price range however, there's the one and only [Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00371R8P4/ref=psdc_172487_t5_B01KCHPRXA), which is extremely expensive but modeled after a real A-10C and is of stellar quality. You're going to need rudder pedals if you go that route though, so I'd advise against it as it's got quite a premium to pay.

Glad you're enjoying the hobby, and hopefully you can expand to a stick soon and get even better. No pressure to get one if you're fine with the controller, but it can totally enhance your experience.

There aren't a lot of cheap HOTAS options. Some things to consider:

• T-Flight HOTAS X is relatively cheap at $50, but has relatively few buttons to work with and mediocre sensors that can make fine aiming difficult. A lot of people use it and are very happy with it though.
  
• T.16000M FCS is the next step up, and although it's fairly new it seems to be getting a pretty good reception. It's over your budget at $129 though.
  
• Dual joysticks is another totally viable and fun way to play, although it may take a bit more work to find a way to control all thrusters that feels natural (some people use twist for forward/reverse, some add rudder pedals, etc). There are obviously lots of possible combinations, one that works for your budget is a T-16000m combined with a Logitech Extreme 3d pro, for $95 combined.
  
  

I don't wanna upset you. Unfortunately yes, you can't use your Rift controllers to control throttle/stick in DCS at the moment (not sure about future). But give it a try with a cheap HOTAS and it is a blast for sure.

I found a few joysticks for you on Amazon:

Logitech 3D Pro - refurbished

Logitech 3D Pro

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS

Logitech X-52 Pro

Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS on DELL - the best ever HOTAS

Personally I don't think a HOTAS is required, but it is certainly more immersive and you do tend to get more granular control of your ship versus a keyboard.

Probably the best value HOTAS right now is the T16000M FCS, which is currently ~100 USD. You may also want to check out /r/hotas for more in depth advice.

I'm pretty sure the T.16000M FCS comes with a throttle and it currently hovers around 100$

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492797930&sr=8-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T.16000

I highly recommend going over to /r/hotas for reviews and setups. But if you want a recommendation, I've heard nothing but great things about the Thrustmaster T.16000M.

Some of the higher level players swear by kb+m for pvp and combat. They play flat, but it is what it is considering. If you can get used to kb+m or controller, you'll be fine.


However this is the HOTAS I own, and I would recommend it any day. Elite has preset bindings for a good selection of HOTAS already, and this is no exception.

Get this one, it is just perfect for Elite and VR https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

The Extreme 3D Pro is a very entry-level stick. It will get the job done, but you need to know that you'll be replacing it in a couple years or less if you use it heavily. It's plastic-on-plastic and wears pretty fast, and it's not got the greatest precision to begin with.

The T16000M is a better entry-level stick, being both more precise and better able to stand up to wear over time.

If you can convince your dad to spring for something slightly more expensive, the T16000M HOTAS package gives you a throttle to use as well, and would mean that you could set up to acquire an affordable sim package over the next year by using facetrackNOIR or other webcam-based head tracking, plus saving up for a set of rudder pedals.

Honestly, if you're going to spend money on a HOTAS just ... buy a half-decent one. Get the T16000 HOTAS package and be done with it for the foreseeable future. It's inexpensive, built relatively well for its price point (there's a video of the stick and throttle being disassembled) and reports say it performs well.

This one: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481587026&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m+fcs+hotas

1. X-Plane.org This is the link to the XP10 section, but nearly all of them should work fine in XP11
   
   
2. Someone else can answer that
   
   
3. The Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS seems to be what everyone is recommending for an entry level HOTAS
   
   
4. For the base game, that's it really. Fly around. Generally people fly between two airports like in real life. Things get more interesting if you add stuff like FSEconomy or multiplayer like VATSIM, IVAO, or PilotEdge
   
   
5. For X-Plane, I would only really buy plane addons. Nearly all the scenery you will ever need is free on places like the x-plane.org fourm. The only other thing I would recommend is looking at one of the weather addons.
   
   
6. There are many, can't name them off the top of my head
   
   
7. MisterX is the end all be all of freeware scenery
   
   The planes I would recommend are the FlightFactor 767, FlightFactor 757, IXEG 737, Rotate MD80, AirfoilLabs 172SP, Any of the Dreamfoil helicopters, and whichever Carenando planes have the Reality Expansion Packs.

There's a new T.16000M HOTAS set now: http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Not exactly a bargain, sadly, but I'll be keeping my eye out for sales.

For the cheapy Thrustmaster HOTAS, apparently the hardware in the PS4 remake is higher quality (it's not just different-colored plastic on top of the same electronics), and it gives a superior deadzone to the old PS3-compatible stick. It costs a bit more, though (can see it for $70 versus the original at $50).

I got an email from Amazon and also checked New Egg. Not sure what's going on.

This just popped up in the last day. claims to launch today. Got my preorder in. Btw, that was October 2nd, originally, and those listings are on Newegg.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The TM 16000 HOTAS - I use this for ED - Super awesome for the price. Most HOTAS are overpriced. This one is fantastic for the cost. TONS of buttons and neat features on the throttle you won't see anywhere else! I love the little throttle finger joystick, it makes for perfect lateral and vertical movements to mix with the joystick movements. The X52 will match the in-game model better, but honestly while in VR and doing stuff you're not going to be starring at your joystick and throttle in-game model...like at all. Best budget HOTAS imo.

amazon link - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/

Yes, at least for me after a few hours. Just don't push yourself and take breaks. I've logged 21 hours so far and don't get it at all anymore.

I have 1.4 set as my SS in the SteamVR ini and VR set to medium with my GTX 980. It is still grainy but I find the text fairly easy to read. Works fairly well though I can notice a little struggling in stations. Asynchronous reprojection works well for this game since it is a seated experience so make sure it is on.

If you are looking for a HOTAS system I'd recommend this one. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA It is newer and built with Elite Dangerous in mind with a built-in profile for it in game. I came from a Xbox 360 controller and it was well worth it.

Put the T.160000 on price watch on amazon, it often will drop in price to under $99. It was $99 last month and $89 in December.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/product/B01KCHPRXA

I picked up the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack (comes with pedals) for $129 in January.

The best I've been able to find is this doc: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71a8WBq01pS.pdf

Which you can find linked on the amazon product page: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Saitek-Flight-Rhino/dp/B01LX398IE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491692701&sr=8-1&keywords=x56

Which says:
> Valid warranty claims are generally processed through the point of purchase retailer during the first thirty (30) days after purchase.

Mine shorted out about four months after purchase. I was denied RMA because I was out of the warranty period.

Saitek X52 (non pro) costs $150 on Amazon and it works for me on Ubuntu using the joystick package.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-System/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535842497&sr=8-1&keywords=saitek+x52&dpID=41aijb9PAtL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

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This is the one I use.

And it would probably be quicker and cheaper to just buy one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Farm-Vehicle-Panel/dp/B01M1B2MJX

I've had plans for a button box brewing for a while now. I'm still in the planning phase, but I have the tools and sourced most of the parts I want to use. So here are my 0.02$ on the issue:

> To go along with (meaning, can connect with) the most popular HOTAS, which, IIRC, is the old thrustmaster model.

Arduino/Teensy boards just register as a regular old joystick with your PC, and E:D has no problems handling multiple joysticks. There is going to be no problem here. I have no idea how that might work on consoles though, but my guess is: can't be done.

> To completely remove the need for a keyboard

Why? You'd still want to chat or search for systems from time to time.

> To have at least a few "blank" buttons, similar to logitechs g-keys

You are building your own, custom button box. Every button is a blank button if you don't label it. In fact, my plan is to make my box exactly A4 in size, so I can just print my labels on one continuous sheet of paper. That way I can easily change out labels or have entirely different setups for different games.

> 20-35$

That's probably just the cost of your arduino/teensy board including shipping. Double that and you might be able to get some nice buttons and switches. Include some tools that you might still need, some wire and a box to attach everything to, and you are at about 100$. Mind you, this is still super optimistic. Something might break, you change your mind on some of the buttons halfway through, etc. I mean, look at some commercial solutions. The Saitek Farm Sim side Panel is essentially what you want to build, but commercially available. They should get parts on the cheap and they have their production sorted out, right? Yeah, they still have to charge 150$ bucks for that. Cheaper is definitely possible, but 20$? No way.

All in all, a project like this is highly dependent on the individual. What kind of tools/resources do you already have? How much experience do you have with these tools? I don't have a 3D printer, but I have some old MDF boards that I'm gonna saw into size and drill some holes into. But that's not going to be a solution for everybody.

My recommendation: get an arduino/teensy/whatever, follow some tutorials on how to add a button to it and how to set it up so it gets recognized as a controller by your PC. From there, everything else comes naturally. Want to add more buttons? Read up on button matrices. Want a nice box? 3D print something or cut up some cheap plastic/wood.

Looks like a switch panel might be your best bet if you don't want to go DIY.

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Switch-945-000030/dp/B01M1BNTZN/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=switch+panel&qid=1574832037&s=electronics&sr=1-3

ThrustMaster T.Flight Hotas One Flight Stick for Xbox One and Windows(Black) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B075S7LG8X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_CUPPBb43N6ZY5

Here ya go

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_W3o.BbMC70P0J

Only the thrust master HOTAS One

u/Vector2point0 is referring to a flight stick specifically designed for the Xbox.

There is only one that works with Xbox one, the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS One

I recently picked up the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS to replace my Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X. I would recommend the T.16000M setup over the T-Flight mostly because the throttle and stick are completely separate, which is easy to appreciate when you've fumbled around with the T-Flight's awkward design when it's separated. The T.16000M also feels a bit more robust and having more buttons/options on the throttle (especially in VR) is a huge plus. All that being said, I spent a lot of hours in Elite with the T-Flight and you can't really go wrong with it. I fondly recall the shit eating grin I had on my face the first time I throttled up and instantly felt more 'connected' with my ship. Cheers.

"BEST" probably the THrustmaster warthog Hotas, but also the most expensive (I just bought the joystick alone for 270 to use in my HOSAS setup, can't wait till it delivers on friday)

"best VALUE" probably the thrustmaster 16000m combo. The thrustmaster stuff seems to be the only sticks that use the "HALLS" system, and between that and regular sticks, the difference is night and day (i've compared it to CH flightsticks, microsoft, and logitech stuff...)

My suggestion is to consider HOSAS as well (hands on stick and stick), as I enjoy the number of analog degrees of freedom a joystick for the left hand provides. (16000m can be modified for the left hand, the warthog joystick, and many others, are right hand only.

As for VR, SC isn't really there yet, but I have a vive and know it's awesome. The recent price drops on the oculus are going to drive a lot of people their direction, but I don't regret buying the Vive in the least, and might still do it if I were buying today (but to be fair, i hate facebook).

as for touchscreens, there's some apps for android tablets that allow you to use them as "additional screens" which have game controls on them. It's like bringing one of the in game ship control panels into real life. They're super neat, but I don't actually use them, so I don't have a solid recommendation. Check out the Roccat Powergrid.

if you're flying DCS and BoS, I would suggest getting a HOTAS yes. The Logitech Extreme 3d Pro is somewhat a HOTAS and is very good but the Thrustmaster ones you listed are better but if you can afford this one, it'll be the right fit.


TrackIR is very much recommended but it's pricey. I suggest you try out flying first without it and see if you'd really want one. Using trackhats in your stick to look around is cumbersome after I had a TrackIR myself.

so, this is really all based on a person's preference. there are quite a few HOTAS's that are used for this game. they vary in price, quality, and number of buttons/hats/switches/etc.

here are some examples of "reasonably priced" ones:

Thrustmaster T.16000M
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012194&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+1600

Saitek X52 Pro (or you could go with a non-pro version to save $50)
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Saitek-Flight-Controller/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012296&sr=8-2&keywords=saitek+x52

You can always go to Amazon and/or do google searches for reviews and other HOTAS systems. I hope this has helped you though. Good luck, and fly safe, CMDR. o7

T16000 Hotas. Or Thrusmaster TWCS throttle + VKB Gladiator MKII if you can spend a bit more to get a smother Gimbal. And Joystick Gremlin to allow throttle - stick communication (and more).

You mean like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_GL8GzbHGF1G40

I want to buy a HOTAS but want to make sure I won't constantly be reaching to my keyboard mid-flight, if I just get something like this would I have any difficulties with Yaw controls, secondary fire, buttons to switch weapon groups, targeting buttons, etc? I've never used or owned one, and want to make sure I'll be able to use almost all the functions I need with it.

Controllers are OK, however playing with a HOTAS is significantly more enjoyable and immersive. If you have any intentions of upgrading to VR (highly recommended) at some point, a stick/throttle is basically required.

I personally recommend the T.16000M Hotas, affordable ($100) and enough buttons to keep your hands off the keyboard entirely.

A friend recently bought the Saitek X52, currently on sale ($100). Generally less recommended than the T.16000M due to durability, but another solid HOTAS.

Thrustmaster: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Saitek: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-System/dp/B01LY285ZH (also available in black)

I think the x52 has been replaced by this (made with elite in mind, comes with an analogue thumstick)
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1481674548&sr=1-2&keywords=thrustmaster

It does say Thrustmaster, but they're not headphones. It's the Thrustmaster T.1600M FCS Hotas

The new that they just released https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1480700764&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

Shit!! My joystick broke 2 days ago and won't have one again 'till Christmas morning.

Good Wifey got me HOTAS

Please, please take your time with this one.

~$100 for a hotas, ~$150 for dual sticks. That's entry level with the Thrustmaster T.16000M, it's a good stick that is the best option for a left hand stick and runs ~$75 if you can get it when it's in stock, the stick/throttle combo is ~100.

If you are unsure what you want I'd start with the Hotas and if you decide you want a second stick later on you can either get another T.16000M or buy a better right hand stick and swap the grip for left hand use. Plus that gives you a throttle to use for other games that either don't support or just don't play well with dual sticks.

There is also the potential to use a stick/mouse combo, left hand stick for movement, with a mouse to control aim.

This is a good starter flight stick that actually works amazingly well.

Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS 4

Thrustmaster just released another HOTAS set that is getting pretty good reviews. There used to be a huge gap between the $50 and $200 segment. Any HOTAS within that range were too expensive and too crappy to even consider. So for anyone who wanted something a little more versatile had to make the huge jump to something in the hundreds of dollars. Thrustmaster seems to have fixed that.

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

Past this, I personally would recommend CH Products. Pretty pricey and, honestly, not much to look at. But what you really pay for is absolute durability, longevity, and versatility. CH Products has been building HOTAS systems for decades now, and there's people who still have their original sticks and throttles, but just rewired the old joystick ports to USB, and they still friggin' work. I have the Fighterstick USB, and the Pro Throttle USB.

Currently this one, and I love it. But I've flown like that with the cheapest of logitech and thrustmaster sticks as well.

The T-16000m HOTAS has made my flight smoother, because it has longer travels on the stick and throttle, which translates to finer control.

I got the [T.16000M FCS] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fN6Kzb31P78FJ) and it's perfect. Apparently was designed with ED in mind working with frontier.

The TM T16000 is what I have and I love it. It’s all plastic, but it’s very sturdy plastic. And it fits the Elite aesthetic if that matters to you

Can't tell if you're joking or not but hotas is hand on throttle and stick e.g. I bought https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_VqgRDb71M8Q2S

First thing I will tell you off the bat, get something that's in your budget.

Second... let's talk about what type of setup you want...


HANDS ON THROTTLE AND STICK
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HOTAS
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You have multiple options, starting with the Thrustmaster HOTAS-X.


At around $50, it gives a satisfying first hotas experience.

Moving up the ladder, you get to the T16000M and it's FCS pack.

If you are lucky, you can get this pack on sale for as low as $89.99 on Amazon, and it offers a great package with plenty of toggles and buttons to fully accommodate E:D's controls. You can even add pedals later on down the line, or pick them up as part of one big package.

Further up the price ladder is the X52 suite of controls. Two options are available, in the flavors of the X52 FCS at around $150 and the X52 PRO at around $200. The differences between the two are less pronounced than the jump from the HOTAS-X to the T16000, but it has some "nice" features for scripting and supposedly higher quality components.

Granted, even after Logitech purchased Saitek, the build quality on these former Saitek sticks is ... so-so.


Another great option is CH's products.

Throttle.

Stick.

CH PRO PEDALS

Despite other offerings in the HOTAS world between the X52 Pro, and CH offerings and higher caliber offerings - ignore them.

The X-55 and X-56 are MESSES when it comes to build quality, and it's a crapshoot if you get one that will last.

Your next HOTAS offering is going to be the Thrustmaster Warthog - but you will absolutely need pedals. Which means you're looking at offerings from CH, like the CH PRO PEDALS.

And if you get the warthog, I HIGHLY recommend you use Aussiedroid's scripts and bindings. They are intuitive and utilize the entirety of the throttle and stick.

If it's in your budget, I recommend getting MFG Crosswinds.

Also, VKB makes some T-rudder design pedals that work well.

VKB T-Rudders

However, before anyone tells you differently, or says pedals are shit for yaw. I AGREE, DON'T USE THEM TO YAW. Put yaw on your stick left and right, pitch up and down, and ROLL on your pedals. Right pedal forward, roll right, and left pedal forward roll left. Anyone who does it differently is crippling themselves, especially in PVP. This is a space sim, we don't have to fly space ships like we do aircraft. ROLL ON PEDALS, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

Past this point you have offerings from VirPil and VKB, both of which make the best of the best products. They both have better gimbal designs, and stick designs, and come in around $400 for a stick. However, there is no throttle currently, as of this moment, produced by either.


Alternative Setups
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HANDS ON STICK AND STICK
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HOSAS
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One way of side stepping the pedals situation is running dual-sticks, or hands on stick and stick. This has a slightly higher initial cost than most of the cheaper HOTAS options, but also negates the needs for pedals. The caveat being you need sticks that can be used in both left and right hands.


But thankfully, Thrustmaster has you covered. They offer the T16000M in a dual-stick package. Or you can purchase them separately.


You can also buy two separate Warthog sticks, at around $200 each, and get Okona (/u/cavortingwebeasties) over at dualsticks.com to convert one over.

VirPil's Mongoose can be setup for ambi use, and VKB will be announcing a left handed Gunfighter grip at SOME point. VKB Gunfighter can be found here.

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          Here's my setup, for good measure.
          

I’m about 5 months into DCS. I played some flight sims when I was a kid, 20 years ago, in the Jane’s F/A-18 days, but nothing until DCS. I bought the Flaming Cliffs pack of modules and the A-10C and learned to fly the F-15C mostly at first but slowly read through the 600+ page manual for the A-10C and worked through the training missions and a few campaign missions. The F-15C is great because it doesn’t take too long to learn and you can be having fun shooting down AI flankers in a 10 solid hours of learning and start to get into tactics, the A-10C is definitely the most complicated thing I’ve ever learned for fun. I usually spend a good hr working on A-10C avionics training, then reward myself by jumping in the F-15 when I sit down for a session.

If you do jump into something like the A-10C, I’d recommend getting a quality HOTAS with lots of hat switches, trying to learn the intricacies of avionics and remember keyboard shortcuts and button modifiers is a very big complexity multiplier. I started with a cheap stick then bought the Thrustmaster t16000m and Throttle which works great for F-15, but isn’t quite up to the A-10, so I bought the Warthog stick and use it with the throttle from the t16000.

Ive been looking at a lot of reviews and such, and settled on this t16000 thrustmaster has a pretty good rep and it seems to have better reviews than pretty much anything else under $400. If your budget is big though, ignore this.

Edit: Found someone's keybinds, it has a lot

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/

dot has better quality, i think the dot is actually a newer version of the dash one.

Here are links:

T-16000M

T.16000M

T.16000M With Throttle Included

CH FighterStick

https://youtu.be/UsSUUdw4bTY this one is just a simple button box.

EG Starts Zero Delay USB Encoder To PC Controller 2Pin Joystick Cable + Happ Pusb Buttons Cables For Arcade Happ DIY Kits Parts Mame Games https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L8K21CK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_hybJAbPT1XXMZ this is the board used. If you wanted to do rotary encoders you'll have to use Arduino, but there are instructions for that on the same YouTube channel.

I used this. It's a game controller but I use software to emulate keystrokes.

Zero Delay USB Encoder To PC Controller 2Pin Joystick Cable + Happ Pusb Buttons Cables For Arcade Happ DIY Kits Parts Mame Games https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L8K21CK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_EBGLzb1W3F694

I respect how you guys interact with the community and even approach others if they have problems. But I'm sorry, I have to disagree that product quality has been sufficiently been patched up now.

It's an average of 3 stars across from multiple review sites.

• Amazon.com, 3 stars, 85 reviews
  
• Amazon.com, 3 stars, 3 reviews(RGB version this time)
  
• Amazon uk, 3.5 stars, 93 reviews
  
• Amazon Germany, 3 stars, 25 reviews
  
• Newegg, 2 stars, 10 reviews
  
• Though Amazon Canada is at 4 stars with 90 reviews
  
  I'm not doing this to prove a point. But I would recommend that Logitech approaches these reviewers to help the situation and help your company's reputation.

Some "higher end" links for you:

• Ch Throttle -- IMO still the best throttle until VKB/Virpil
  
• MFG Crosswind
  
• VKB
  
• Virpil - great dual stick options here. I liked VKB just a tad more, like the additional button more on VKB. But Virpil has other things going for it too. Like better service!
  
• X56 Lotitech - make sure its the latest version, not saitek crap ... even re-branded saitek to logitech. Logitech recently released an update. QA is a huge issue with X56 range.
  
  Don't use this for E:D Warthog that is my 2c worth. Its maybe looks all metal but has some plastic internals and really is not for space flight sims. Allot of people bitch about the nipple on the throttle. So just my opinion that you should not look at it.
  
  On the lower end:
  
  
• Thrustmaster T 16000 etc. I have no experience with it. But people like it.
  
• X360 controllers etc. some people love it.
  
• Mouse and Keybaord -- PvP players swear by it!
  
  Happy stick hunting, fly safe CMDR o7!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

Yarr, they are;

Saitek X56 pro.
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Rhino-HOTAS/dp/B01LX398IE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476827581&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+g+saitek+x-56+rhino

Basically the thumb analogues were thought to be just... A ridiculously silly gimmick. Until we got our hands on them. They are pointless for flight sim guys, but space sim, holy crap they are just... The world of difference. You can bind the thumb on the right stick to throttle and you literally have dual joystick, the left you have another one. They can be to X, Y, etc anything you want really! Its really neat and they are just... Mind blowingly awesome.

They're pretty awesome... Fine control sticks if you want etc. The problem with HOTAS' is that the throttle is too slow for rapid reaction in space sims, but the throttle is really awesome for slow landings etc still.

I like the x52's (not the pro's)
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-System/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1483327423&sr=8-7&keywords=hotas

I use and recommend the Logitech (formerly Saitek) X-52 Flight control system. Plus, the in-game control models mimic those of the HOTAS giving even more immersion in VR.

Try one of these. :D

Doesn't look bad, but i'll always prefer the X52. The pinky switch gives you so much more binding options

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=psdc_172487_t5_B01N2PE8CZ

Awesome, really appreciate the info. The Honeycomb looks really nice, had never heard of it until just now. They claim to be releasing it "in the 1st quarter of 2018". I haven't ordered yet, but I'm a bit impatient, so I'll probably go ahead and get the CH/Saitek stuff for now, and possibly get the Honeycomb later. Here's what my build looks like, as of now:

https://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Eclipse-Yoke-Programmable/dp/B001GIOGBY

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PRO-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B01LYPMTPT

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Throttle-Qudrant/dp/B01M00UHE3

Thanks again for all of the information, very helpful

I'm using the Oculus rift and their touch controllers. About 6 months or so before the Rift S was announced they dropped the price to 349 and I picked it up at that. Came with headset, 2 cameras, and the oculus touch controllers. The rift works great though I'd love to try the new one without the cameras and see how that works, because reaching all over the cockpit can sometimes move outside of the camera range if not setup correctly.

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The touch controllers are key. It really helps you interact, get a little tactile feeling (rumble-ish) and grab on to things fitting your hands better in the cockpit unlike the vive controllers which always, in my opinion, felt like controlling stuff with a tv remote control.

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Lastly I did pick up rudder pedals as well and that made a world of difference. ( https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PRO-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B01LYPMTPT/ ) Rocking the Logitech G Pedals. Makes controlling the plane so much better.

I bought the Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Yoke System and it works very well! I'm going to get the Logitech rudders here soon.

Apparently X-Plane 11 is smart enough to auto-coordinate the ailerons to the rudder if it detects the yoke but no peddals. This is somewhat convenient, but it makes taxiing a pain in a crosswind.

If you mean the package that is designed for FS 17, the only part in that package that is worth it is the control panel. You can chuck the wheel and pedals away. The only dodgy part with the side panel is the little wheel down on the left.

You should've just bought this and bought some other wheel and pedal combo.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/DRAGON-Universal-Arcade-Fight-Controller/dp/B0713YY1LY

This one

www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=xbox%2Bthrustmaster&qid=1558272797&s=gateway&sr=8-4&th=1

You can with a specifically made one

Edit: This is it Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS One

There is only one, and I have it. It works fine. Not the best stick I've ever owned, but it works fine with the game.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=xbox+joystick+thrustmaster&qid=1573184065&sr=8-1

I've been looking at this one mostly because it's the cheapest and I'm not really going to use it all that often. But I just noticed there is a newer one that just came out this year but I think it's the same as the other one, just rebranded for Ace Combat.

The HOTAS 4 isn't the same as the T.Flight Stick X. But yes, I still think that is also still available.

HOTAS 4 is the PS4 re-packaging of the old HOTAS X. And there's to be a HOTAS One that is the XBos re-packaging of the same updated stick. I don't know if anything but the paint and the proprietary save card ports is actually updated, but it might be slightly better than the decade old HOTAS X.

The MDFs look like the cougar MDF with a small LCD behind them.

You can then clip the MDF in DCS to show just on that LCD so that you have a functioning MDF.

something like this and this.

Mirage is fun, fast and quite simple in the controller department. So you don't need a lot of buttons, though these are always a great addition: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY

The only minus about the Mirage is that the air-to-air payload is limited to 2+2 AAMs and the ground attack capability is somewhat limited. But still a great plane!

Want to go halves on a twin pack from amazon?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B002HH9TRY

Here this is the same thing with more pictures - http://amzn.com/B002HH9TRY

Yes its exactly what I bought and where I bought it but sadly its just paper cut outs they give you. Many people use USB 7" and 8" monitors as a live MFD but I wanted to try to go the tablet route.

Volair Sim Universal Flight or Racing Simulation Cockpit Chassis with Triple Monitor Mounts https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AGYXUKW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sHvzxbJ2FQEFH

What do you all think of this? http://www.amazon.com/Volair-Sim-Universal-Simulation-Cockpit/dp/B00AGYXUKW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413488092&sr=8-1&keywords=obutto+r3volution

You could always get one of these, but you'd still need a desk.

http://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Stand-Pro-Thrustmaster-WARTHOGTM/dp/B00GF0U6NA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1456859741&sr=8-1&keywords=wheel+stand+hotas

You mean something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GF0U6NA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_0QdMAb5KNGSV8

Looks like you could attach their desk mount to the metal plate. Or possibly screw the t50 base to the stand's plate.

Unfortunately I can't take advantage of their sale. The desk mounts are the only way to use their sticks. My desk is too thick and there's no word on the warBRD desktop base.

My warthog stick is half broken and I'm pretty much screwed in terms of options. I'll have to give dcs a break. Vkb never has stock either and it's been delay after delay.

I use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GF0U6NA/

The new T.16000m and the TFRP pedals should be available now. I have yet to see them on Amazon or Newegg though, other than this:

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-videgame/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=sr_1_7?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1462475994&sr=1-7&keywords=thrustmaster&refinements=p_89%3AThrustMaster

Maybe like this unreleased ones on Amazon? http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-4/dp/B015PII6YI

There was an early listing for what looked like budget rudder pedals on Amazon. They were super close together. I've seen nothing else. http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-4/dp/B015PII6YI

Seems the price went up since I got them

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation/dp/B015PII6YI

Those can rotate

Also you may try one of these kind of gear:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=logitech+g+13

Also you may try making a custom keypad using cherry mx switches and one analogue stick. Ask
r/mechanicalkeyboards

Thrustmaster T.16000M. Get the stick now, save up to add the HOTAS throttle later. Maybe add the pedals farther down the road.

Stick: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ThrustMaster-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Joystick/dp/B001S0RTU0

Throttle: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG

Pedals: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Playstation-2960764/dp/B015PII6YI

What are the specs of the computer is he going to be running this on?

Cheapest option is probably:
FSX:SE when it goes on sale for under $10 all the time. Just saw yesterday there is a "Helicopter Total Realism" add-on that supposedly makes the helis more realistic.

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas

Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals

Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals are also discounted at $58.99.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PII6YI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Ok so if they are using the Brook USB converter then in theory you could also make use of their model that converts PS3/PS4 peripherals to the xbox one. I know that the PS4 has a decent flight stick available:

https://www.amazon.ca/THRUSTMASTER-TMST4169083-Playstation4-T-Flight-Thunder/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484271119&sr=8-1&keywords=ps4+flight+stick

Someone with more money than me should test this out so we can all jump on the HOTAS bandwagon.

Might I suggest you instead consider the Thrustmaster Hotas T.Flight 4, which is essentially the same as the older X model but with a tighter dead zone and upgradable firmware.

It's about $8 more than the Hotas X, but newer, better dead zone, upgradable firmware, still under $50, and has the great reputation of the Hotas X behind it too. And it works great with Elite. Here's a reddit thread on the detailed differences between the two joysticks.

Might get this for it....

http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_XpoxxbV0NF39T

If I purchase the HOTAS 4 - https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

What do I use instead of the pedals? I really want to get pedals for it, but they are apparently hard to find and more expensive than the HOTAS4 for some reason. So I'm really curious on

1. What do you use instead of the pedals
   
   
2. How does it feel without the pedals? Is it worth it to buy the HOTAS4 and then maybe one day get pedals for it
   
   Thanks in advance anyone who can answer this for me!

This probably is the cheapest HOTAS you could get: https://www.amazon.in/dp/B015PJ68BK

I've used the old PS3 version of this. Pretty good. Throttle wasn't that great though. It had an annoying notch right at the middle which meant precise adjustments weren't easy. Not sure if the newer version changed it.

I don't have a HOTAS, but from lurking on the forums/doing some research,) the Thrustmaster HOTAS 4 is the only one to work on the PS4.

I've never used it, but there is a HOTAS that is compatible/made for the PS4. There's one game that uses it right now. It'll be up to Frontier if the want to design the game to use joystick support.

Flight stick

I had a gift card for Amazon so I ended up getting this

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

It snaps apart so I could always move it around or whatever. Everything is right handed apparently any way. And I didn't want to get a refurbished or used 3D pro. Plus I also have a PS4 so if anything ever comes out for it, I'll have compatibility. The PS4 is better than my computer so here's to hoping.

I ordered this Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Flight Stick
and this Thrustmaster VG T150.

I like that they'll be compatible with both Vive and Oculus and, since I have a PS4 and plan on getting PSVR, they should be compatible with the PS4 too. Very rare to find hardware compatibility across the board like that.

I did a quick google search:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tflight-rudder-pedals

Just bought the ps4 one at best buy today
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PS4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482985967&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas+ps4

The hotas x seems to be the more popular option but one of the reviews on the ps4 one said there was more degrees of freedom for movement. I haven't used it yet but I'm sure you can't go wrong with the cheaper stick.

what hotus setup do you guys suggest? this one? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CZTSS3O

$249 with free shipping on Amazon. Ships out and will be here just a little bit before NMS.

It's only $129.99, and has gone on sale in the past couple months. I got mine for just over $100.

Now the Thrustmaster Warthog on the other hand...

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

IN STOCK 137 USD just placed my order!

I concede on the KBM part. I agree, you can get stuff that will work fine for pretty cheap.


The T16000m by itself is around $40 on amazon normally. They recently released the new FCS HOTAS, which comes with the T16000m stick and a throttle, for $130. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA or the same thing with pedals included for $200 https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ
They are switching over production from the older green design to the newer gold design, so I wouldn't buy anything right now until it settles down again. I expect you'll be able to buy the stick alone again once they do (and people can stop scalping them...)


You're not the only asshole who thinks that, there's a whole large crowd of us. :)

Is this a common/recommended HOTAS? Anyone vouch for it?

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484153574&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

I have never used a HOTAS and want a decent entry-level one to see how I like it, but also one that I would be happy with long-term.

T-Flight X IS the cheapest of the cheap.

The most cost-effective HOTAS is T.16000M FCS. It is cheap, but uses high-end sensors and has a very good build quality, unlike competing Saitek stuff.

Reference list.

I would be willing to buy another TrackIR for that. My last one broke so it would be another investment. One that might be worth it though.

If I went dual stick I might consider this set...

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1511384057&sr=8-2&keywords=16000

Plus an additional stick. They can be reversed to make them left or right.

The purpose of having analog on those sticks is only so that I can finely tune the thrusters for what I need them to do. I guess that also depends, like you said, on what CIG does with how thrusters behave too.

I've never seen that one before, and had no idea Thrustmaster did an even cheaper one. They do a decent cheap one, that lasted me for a full year of heavy use before the buttons started to go. Or if you want to spend more, they have this one which is much better yet still a lot cheaper than some of the other high end ones out there.

i got this three weeks ago ( same as yours but with throttle) https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

and yes works perfectly, haven't had any issues with it

Unless anything has changed recently, the x56 has some quality control issues. I’d say get this one instead https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

My .02 cents.

I have this and love it

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1510338084&sr=8-3&keywords=thrustmaster+joystick

Ohh lol. Logitech 3d pro?

Also Thrustmaster is coming out with a new hotas!

I know its no warthog but it [looks pretty good! ](http://www.Thrustmaster.com/ VG T.16000M Fcs HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2J26xbQ3MHPTX)

Wait for reviews and see What happens. Also i plan on selling my rudder pedals. I too have the Saitek combat. I really want the MSG crosswinds or something similar lol. But like i said thays 3 or 4 more months at least I'm currently over seas.

I'm using the T16000M.

Cheapest is the Thrustmaster T-Flight X that others have mentioned. It functions, but mine ran into an issue where a button broke inside the throttle. I was able to fix it with some Krazy Glue, and sold the HOTAS at a discount.

I then upgraded to the Thrustmaster T16000. While it's a ways outside of your budget, it strikes a good balance between features/build quality and price. It's also got a little analog stick built into the throttle, which is perfect for vertical/lateral thrusters in Elite.

Unfortunately, HOTAS' are a niche product within a niche product (flight sims), so prices are inflated and they seldom go on sale.

Edit: I should also mention that Elite has A LOT of functions in-game, so it'd be tricky to map everything you need to even a top-of-the-line HOTAS. A lot of people use software like Voice Attack to map some functions to spoken voice commands.

If you can afford to save a little extra money for it, I'd also recommend this Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ujvDDbF4K96Z6. It's $130 And it's what's I'm currently using. It has enough buttons to use completely alone in elite dangerous. It's personally what I would recommend to you but if you're committed to spending less than 100 the hotas x is it.

This is what I was referring to:
Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_pC.xCbBWMKF8F

You can also get them separately. I saw op was using the twcs throttle and assumed he also had 16000 stick and didn’t notice his stick was a Logitech one.

I'd go with the [T16000M FCS](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_oLPvCbGXEZ1HX) for $40 ATM

It's got the same sensors as the Thrustmaster Warthog stick, and the magnetic sensors feel better to me in general. As others have mentioned, this game has a ton of keybinds so as much as I like dedicated throttles, I find myself getting annoyed going back and forth from it to the keyboard.

That said if you don't think you'll mind switching back and forth, I'd recommend the [hotas combo that includes this stick](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5SPvCbKVNA2QA).

I purchased a Thrustmaster 16000m with a throttle. It's arriving in the mail today. It was on sale at Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA
I was using a controller and I think that was just getting me killed.

I often forget to change the pips from weapons when I don't have the enemy in front of me. I spend a lot of time spinning and looking for my target. All the while, I'm getting shot to bits. There's definitely a learning curve.

Definitely the T.16000M. I use only the throttle as I have a logitech joystick, but this one actually has a built in programming for elite dangerous already.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_t_2/154-0944430-1803829?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6ABADGY1CNR9T7TTG2AX

So just to give a link, you're referring to this being a better option? I too think that is decent for the same reasons. The throttle has like 2 other analog sticks on it (among other buttons) so I could control everything I needed to, I think. I'm still fairly new to SC so I figured I'd get one of these now before putting myself through the M+K learning curve.

Congrats! Elite in VR is amazing, I could never play it on a flat screen again.

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As for tips to improve quality, there are in-game supersampling options. I can't give you too much information on that, as I don't have a good enough system to utilize it, but it's there.

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I'd also suggest looking into getting yourself a HOTAS if you really want to enhance the piloting-a-spaceship feel. I bought the Thrustmaster T16000m + throttle and using it with a VR headset is just amazing. Elite even has an in-game controls template specifically for that setup - you can configure it if you want, but I found the defaults to be just fine. I mounted the joystick and throttle to my chair, and combined with VR it really feels like I'm sitting in the cockpit of a spaceship. Can't imagine playing the game without it!

I think most would say the Thrustmaster T.16000 combo. I dont have experience with it myself but have seen nothing but good recommendations for it and I can tell you that the X55/56 WILL fall apart after awhile. Got fed up with that one and went all out for the expensive stuff.

As already suggested, that stick is perfect with all the classics arcade space sims: all the title from the X-Wing series, Freespace series, Wing Commander series and also more recent games even if, with the more complex ones, you'll need to be a little more creative with the mapping software/extra input peripherals, since that stick is a bit light on available buttons

If you can expand the budget a bit, this model is more recent, has better sensors and way more control options... better choice IMO, especially since you are considering ED

Absolute must play for me are TIE Fighter (but i've always had a sweet spot for the first X-Wing) and Freespace 1+2 with the FreespaceOpen engine port

You really need a HOTAS for flight sims in VR. This is a good price. It will be the best thing you ever bought.

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https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA

https://www.amazon.it/Thrustmaster-Joystick-T-Flight-Hotas-PS3/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=R8D6RH2V8P1HFJFTGK5M

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B000U1OOH4/ref=psdc_460152031_t1_B001CXYMFS

I use the version without throttle and I prefer it over my saitek x52 pro.

I ordered the joystick a few days ago for $30: http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Stick-Flight-PC/dp/B000U1OOH4

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Stick-Flight-PC/dp/B000U1OOH4
Kind of underatted stick. It's essentially just the right side of the hotas X. It's the same nice durable quality and it takes up less desk real estate for less money.

Amazon in stock right now.

Thrustmaster T-Flight Stick X Flight Stick - PC by Thrustmaster http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000U1OOH4/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_TkUPub0Q1D3ZB

I'm a fan of the Thrustmaster T-Flight Stick X

Its the same stick that came with the hotas you mentioned but with more buttons and the throttle built into the stick and for only $30. Also good for military (dcs/il2) type stuff.

Thrustmaster T-Flight Stick X Flight Stick

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000U1OOH4/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3/182-4243764-3773741?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=1P9RNKPZZ8E564P93R1J&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687522&pf_rd_i=B001CXYMFS

I say my favorite peripheral is one of the most simple. The Thurstmaster Cougar MFD panels. They are NOT actually a display (though some have heavily modded them for simulation games to have an LCD). They do include sturdy clear card sleeves and some blank card stock. There is also a web tool to make your own card stock. I made mine labeled for Star Citizen functions and with a Vanguard in the center.

There are two great features with these. Mostly, they prevent me from having to reach past all my other controls to try and hit Right Alt + M in an emergency. I can map a ton of useful complicated keystrokes or macros and totally forget what Right Alt + M even is! I just look at my MFD and hit the button for Lock Gimbals. Done! Look ahead? I have no idea what that keystroke is either, but I have a clearly labeled button! It's like when we graduated from remembering every phone number to having perpetually updated address books built into all of our phones.

This is the key difference. When you reach up and press the button to toggle Quantum Jump, you look (I imagine) and feel, exactly like Han Solo punching the Millenium Falcon into hyperdrive. If that's not the best thing, I don't know what is. It honestly greatly improves my enjoyment of the game.

The Cougar MFDs come in a pair. I got mine for $65, but they seem to be a bit more expensive now. They are programable with Thrustmaster's Target scripting software. You can use them as simple button presses like I do, or very complicated state switching and scripting macros.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473716710&sr=8-1&keywords=cougar+MFD

I put everything that I don't need in a dogfight within a second on these
http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1457893678&sr=1-1&keywords=cougar+mfd

I have them on my desk so my fingers can touch them with my throttle full forward.

Enjoy! Now mod it to make it better!

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Replacement detent - highly recommended

Replacement slew stick

Table mounts

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There are different options for these, but this is what I have. I also got a 10cm stick extension when I bought my MFG Crosswind. Also check out the Thrustmaster MFDs. If you get the MFDs I highly recommend CTS for DCS. There's a bit of a learning curve to get it set up, but once you understand it and are used to it it's wonderful to have intricate profiles for each aircraft without having to develop it yourself. And of course with the MFDs you then have to get a second screen (or screens) to mount them to so you can export the MFDs to them.

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Yeah this is never ending. Welcome to the money pit. :)

You mean the MFDs?

Yeah people do. Check out /r/hotas This is similar in function to what you built. Keep up the good work and you never know what may come of it. I can't wait to see more.

There's also http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY which you can attach to a monitor like so: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5170763514_b1d9085b49_b.jpg

Kirk Fickert has some great tutorials on how to use the CH Control manager and he specifically sets one up for Star Citizen post 9.2.

He is the reason I am slowly getting a full CH setup (student loans + life don;t leave much spending money atm).

It's not CH, but Thrustmaster has a nice pair of MFDs for around $75 ($70 right now on Amazon). I'm thinking about getting those down the road.

As far as using the little joystick for aim gimbals, there's a way in the CH software to set it as a third controller, and I'm pretty sure those Kirk videos cover that.

Thrustmaster MFDs, I have them as well, they're pretty good

DCS auto maps the controls for you as well, at least on the F18, F16 and A-10 (so any plane they'll be relevant to)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-Replica-Force-Cougar-Flight-Black/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=thrustmasgfetr+mfds&qid=1570374795&sr=8-1-fkmr0

DSD has a bunch of designs

You could use Thrustmaster MFDs with custom inserts.

Saitek has a few different panels as well.

Xkeys if you need more buttons than you know what to do with

Nice item.. but couldn't find for sale anywhere except one out of stock item on Amazon for 189. Thrustmaster does sell these

The cougar MFD

but they are not nearly as flexible.

Actually, the lowest they've been on Amazon was $50. I have been tracking them on CamelCamelCamel for a whille now. Check out the page for them. They tend to go for a lot on eBay still. anything less than $60 is probably a good deal. I will probably pick some up soon, but I always have a hard time justifying $50-60 on just the mfd frames, but I have a lot of monitors and will definitely make them live if I ever get them...probably totally worth it for me.

I recently bought a Logitech G13, I plan to use that for the ICP in BMS and the UFC in A10C. I got a good price on eBay, and figure if I don't use it much I can always resell it.

Yeah, no Amazon Prime either.
The reviews are pretty promising though: http://www.amazon.com/Volair-Sim-Universal-Simulation-Cockpit/dp/B00AGYXUKW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409486981&sr=8-1&keywords=Volair+Sim

https://www.amazon.com/Volair-Sim-Universal-Simulation-Cockpit/dp/B00AGYXUKW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522391332&sr=8-1&keywords=volair+sim

I have been very pleased with the purchase.

https://www.amazon.com/Volair-Sim-Universal-Simulation-Cockpit/dp/B00AGYXUKW/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=volair+sim+cockpit&qid=1571531415&sprefix=vol+air+sim&sr=8-2

There ya go

Depending on your cash maybe something like this

https://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Stand-Pro-Thrustmaster-Crosswind/dp/B00GF0U6NA/ref=sr_1_17?keywords=hotas+mount&qid=1556248031&s=gateway&sr=8-17 This one was best one I found. You can get it new for about $220 (shipping included). The mount holes look about similar to the TPR Rudder Pedals (you should make sure) and it is fold-able. The one thing is I don't know if it can do yokes but it looks like you can. Hope this helped!

If you would consider a table like that, have a look at this one.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00GF0U6NA/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1478450279&sr=8-7&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=saitek+hotas&dpPl=1&dpID=41-hMfmYNOL&ref=plSrch

Its expensive, but if enough games will get HOTAS support, I might consider one myself.

Maybe these? Just depends on the price point (mine, the MFG Crosswinds, are $350) https://smile.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Playstation-2960764/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=rudder+pedals&qid=1562451910&s=gateway&sprefix=rudder+ped&sr=8-1

I couldn't find the product name exactly, but could those be yours?

Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals for PC & Playstation 4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_36rZxbZWDZ6TJ



EDIT

These have the exact name you mentioned but look similar to the ones above on Amazon. Same price too.

https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16826280072

From what I've read, the Thrustmaster TFRP seem to be a good set for the price, although they are pretty narrow, so bare that in mind.

I personally feel you should get a better set though considering you fly the Huey, such as the MFG Crosswinds

Thrustmaster baby

I'm sure a lot will work, but these are the ones I use.

Thrustmaster Flight pedals for example.

Pattern work without rudder is tough, I bought these despite all the bad reviews and I'm glad I did. Lots of people complaining they're made of plastic even though the pedals are strong enough that two of me could stand on them and they wouldn't break. I bought it 'used' off Amazon for $81, which means somebody bought it, didn't like it, put it back in the box and shipped it back. FSX:SE has issues with getting pedals to work right, with these pedals it's the brakes in particular. But a little fiddling and they work great.

Try running some flights all-visual with some sectionals and default FSX scenery. No VOR, no DME, no NDB, no GPS. The FSX scenery makes it tougher than real life, and that's great.

I only have VATSIM experience but what I know is... PilotEdge is quite realistic, but it's $20/month or $180 a year. Remember what that could buy otherwise, you're also limit to certain hours (0800-2300 PST) and I hope you like SoCal. Supposedly IVAO has very limited non-Europe coverage. VATSIM coverage can be spotty, but it's usually rather predictable. Audio quality is terrible, but obviously good enough that people can understand one another. Realism is at your discretion, many ARTCCs will try to go as realistic as reasonable. VAs are a plus.

Keep in mind, nothing's stopping you from trying. VATSIM/IVAO are free, PilotEdge has a 2 week trial.

If I didn't already have a HOTAS Warthog I would get it.

The Thrustmaster flight pedals look horrible though. I mean, look at those pedals! There can't be more than 2.5 inch's between them!

I really want some good flight pedals but it seems impossible to find flight pedals that are more than a couple inch's apart. Unless I wanna spend $500.

Sounds like a better question for /r/eliteone .

From what I understand, these are the pedals that work with that flight stick.

However, I don't know if those are the ONLY pedals that can work with that flight stick. I own that HOTAS (for Elite Dangerous) and i can tell you the port that's on the controller, for the pedals, looks something like an lopsided ethernet port... if that helps at all.

I have a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS setup, it's pretty decent and fits into the budget without losing out on too many features.

The throttle and stick are separated so you have the flexibility to position things where you want them. The cheaper HOTAS setups are usually throttle and stick combined with less buttons, if that doesn't bother you then you can save a bit more money.

T.16000M FCS HOTAS on Amazon

You also have the ability to add rudder pedals if you choose to do so but they are a separate purchase.

Good luck and hopefully you find something soon as it's pretty life changing for Elite and many other flight sims.

Those are indeed excellent pedals. I had some I used for a long time and I loved them. I sold them and my X52 Pro just before Elite was announced. I got more than I paid new for both, since I'd picked them up on sale.

I missed the Kickstarter because I'm not a huge fan of most crowdfunding things. It was just kind of funny how it was maybe a year after I sold them that that I first heard about Elite. Picked it and an X55 up as soon as Elite was finally released and played it for a long while, then got bored and missed out on the Lifetime Pass option. :/ As you might imagine, I've been reading the updates religiously ever since even when I'm taking a break from the game.

Anyhow, the pedals I'm eyeballing are the Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals. For the price, they look halfway decent. The measurements look as though they'll fit in my foot area OK. I keep hoping maybe a friend will pick a set up and I can test them before purchasing but if not, Amazon's great about returns if necessary.

I use the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and also got a second Warthog Stick for a dual stick setup.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/a9168831?cid=309562&st=&gclid=CLWYqP6dk9QCFR1LDQodiiAAFw&lid=5848362&VEN1=s7nLQ1cQ4,183457792450,901pdb6671,m,,A9168831&VEN2=,&dgc=ST&DGSeg=DHS&acd=1230980731501410&VEN3=812403894302130950

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBVHJ00/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_IJXkzbZ5X9RT3

I also use the VKB Rudder Pedals.

http://store-x-plane-org.3dcartstores.com/VKB-T-Rudder-Pedals-MkIV_p_571.html

As for matching sticks, I am waiting to get the VIRPIL grips since they fit on the Warthog bases.

https://virpil.com/en/filtered/gpips/


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Alternatively, you can go with two VKB Gunfighter bases and wait for VKB SIM to release their newer right handed and left handed grips (which you can purchase later).

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-base-only

Or perhaps two VKB Gladiator Pros for now and update both grips or just the left grip later when they eventually release:

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-gladiator

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Another way to go about it is getting two T16000 sticks (for a dual stick setup):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8UXkzbM4P2BW7

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Or just go with the T16000 HOTAS (with or without pedals):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_PVXkzbAW6TM7K

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yWXkzb0KK7FTK

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Now although there are other options, like the Saitek products (X52, X55/X56) and CH products, those just aren't my cup of tea and too many problems plague the Saitek products that they don't seem to be worth investing in. I returned mine and got the Warthog setup and it's so much better. Night and day difference.

I hope I have listed enough choices at different price points to help you make a more informed decision.

And YES, DUAL STICKS are the best :D

To truly appreciate the Huey, I'd highly recommend at least a stick and pedals. The Thrustmaster T16000M has the best sensors in its price range and a relatively light centering force, so it would be good for helos. The old Microsoft FFB2 is also good if you can find one. Pedals would also greatly improve the experience; a set such as the Thrustmaster TFRP would suffice. While a throttle is nice, the slider on the base of the stick can function as throttle for the time being.

As for head tracking, the TrackIR5 is pretty pricey. The DelanClip is cheaper, and it has a guide on how to use the free software.

DCS Modules go on sale all the time, so I'd wait until the next one (probably christmas) to pick up Huey.

For me, headtracking and rudder pedals improved my experience tenfold. Even if it takes time, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase them if it is for the happiness and well being of your father.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-Flight-Stick-PC/dp/B004PZIEF4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481762169&sr=1-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T-16000M

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation/dp/B015PII6YI

http://www.delanengineering.com/shop/#!/DelanClip-Gamer/p/43397050/category=0

They were going for ~$60 for a while.

ack.. not too keen on these pedals but lots of reviews saying they're better in person.. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-4/dp/B015PII6YI

Real tempted..

Holy crap, I just looked this stuff up. Do you think this could improve the Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals? They're super sticky, and I believe it uses the same system as their TWCS Throttle.

I can give a little bit of input here since last November i built a new rig for DCS.

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My specs:

9900k OC to 5.1ghz on all cores

32gig ram

2080ti FTW3

HTC Vive

Thrustmaster warthog stick and throttle

Pedals - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PII6YI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Simrig - https://www.volairsim.com/

\^ That simrig was probably the biggest improvement to my experience aside from going to VR. If money is truly no object for you then including that in your plans is a huge bonus.

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In VR i get about 90 80fps with settings turned way up but keep in mind that they are planning a VR overhaul of DCS World soon that should greatly improve performance.

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Hope all that helps! Let me know if you have any questions about my stuff and i would be happy to try to help.

http://amzn.com/B015PII6YI

PS4 makes sense. Get a Morpheus later and one of these http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK?ie=UTF8&keywords=tflight%20hotas%20x&qid=1465309968&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

You'll be set.

> Voice Attack

Woah Voice Attack looks awesome! Man I don't need another distraction but it seems like ED + Hotas is a good way to immerse. Might have to do it. Do you think I could get away with this for a starter https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_4?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1465620334&sr=1-4&keywords=hotas ?

get a cheap hotas controller, it makes for a much better experience. its "ok" with keyboard and mouse or xbox controller, but "fun as hell" with a hotas. i have this one which unfortunately is way more expensive now than when i bought it a year ago :( (i paid 40 usd for it)

I just bought one of these on a recommendation elsewhere in this thread. Do you have any recommendation for wheels?

I would not recommend the saitek if you want your joystick to last. You would be considered lucky if yours lasts an entire year. Instead, I would recommend getting two of these (using two joysticks is amazing), or one of these, or get a 16000M and buy a separate throttle (you can find the x52 throttle on ebay. The mouse nub on the throttle is worth having).

Sheesh, these look closer together than CH's pedals

EDIT: I see these are listed for PS4 also. So I feel these are a low-end option and perhaps not their upcoming mainline one. A HOTAS X has also been put out for PS4 just recently as well.

its already out https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

and if you REALLY get into it, here's the best entry level HOTAS,

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1536066527&sr=8-2&keywords=hotas+x

Also when you run out of buttons or don't want to fiddle with alternative button/key bindings, (though you can, Elite is very impressive in this regard) Voice Attack makes for easy and customizable voice controls/macros on the cheap. There's nothing like approaching a station and telling your computer, "prep for landing" and having all your systems automatically switch. Love it.

https://voiceattack.com/

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Based on what i see here in the "
From the Manufacturer" Information section it looks to be exclusive to the PS4. You could try it though. It's also possible to redeem it on PS4 then use your PS4 account on PC. You will just have a next to your name (like Caraval)

Edit: You will also have some other PS4 Related limitations on what you can do on PC if you use a PS4 account. I don't remember what they are though.

Just a heads up.. I'm not entirely sure this works with E:D, but I really don't see why it wouldn't since it emulates the controller buttons..

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PS4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498501713&sr=8-1&keywords=hotas+ps4

if you want to buy one here you go and its not a bad stick for the price either.

PS4 Flight Controls

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Keyboard and Mouse support is an issue that’s a lot more nuanced than people may expect. For one thing, you have to point out whether you’re talking about system support or game support. If it’s system support, native console keyboard and mouse support (on the PlayStation side at least) has been around since the PS1, which means that yes, the PS4 does have native keyboard and mouse support. The support issue comes into play with what games support, and really it’s just the fault of developers that most console games don’t have keyboard and mouse support.

A handful of console games have keyboard and mouse support, even some popular ones like Fortnite, Paladins, and Final Fantasy XIV, but most developers just opt not to include it into their console ports. One excuse if seen is that “consoles come with controllers, not keyboards and mice.” The problem with that idea is that it’s not balanced like that when it comes to PC ports, where they’ll have kb+m support and controller support, even though, you know, PCs don’t come with controllers. Another idea is that kb+m support would “give console players an unfair advantage.” However not only does that idea not stem to PC, where you can get an advantage in games by using specialised controllers for racing, flight, and fighting games, but tools like the Xim Apex and Hori Tactical Assault allow people to use keyboard and mouse on consoles, which means that only people who can afford them have that advantage. In that way, allowing universal kb+m support on consoles would actually balance things out by allowing all players to share that advantage, not just the ones who can afford $100+ conversion tools.

Developers tend to show extra love to PC players, and tend to under-support console players. It’s another part of the issue that people seem to view one option as the “better option,” which makes them underestimate or even look down on the “other option.” That’s not the fault of consoles, it’s the fault of people not wanting to treat them like a real gaming platform.

this one you can order right now and it has the ps4 logo on it. Or did i miss here something ?

They released an "updated" version for the PS4 that has caused the PS3 version to drop in price over here. Of course, all they did to "update" it was raise the MSRP $20 and swap out the red/orange accents for blue.

See here:

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457457316&sr=8-1&keywords=hotas+ps4

This Thrustmaster is the only one supported as far as I know. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PS4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1500310371&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t.flight+hotas+4

That said, I'm confused why it's listed so expensive here. I only paid like $50 new for mine on amazon. Maybe there's a new one coming out? Hopefully someone else can elaborate better than I can on this topic.

here's the PS4 compatible one

Be happy, they only just announced the xbox one hotas.

hit down on your dpad, that equalises your power distribution, then you can put all pips to engines, which give you full access to the power of them. It's been a while since I had to deal with sublight engines, (I set off on my trip about three months ago now) but if memory serves you hit up for engines. If you're going flight assist off, it's full reverse. You'll stop going in the blink of an eye. Flight assist on, just zero your throttle and you stop.

holo-me Yes, that suit gives me butler gloves, but I like it

Amazon still shows $36.99

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1537451071&sr=1-3&keywords=HOTAS#customerReviews

Didn't phase hotas. Please consider the thrust master for PS4 it changed the game allot for me. Ships respond so much better.

Edit: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

Though I haven't used this, it seems pretty popular:

Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Flight Stick for PS4 & PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_x0lNAb8HNNQSN

Guessing not. I have the the Thrustmaster stick (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK) and War Thunder is the only thing that I am aware of that it works with - I don't think there is anything even announced for upcoming games. I am crossing my fingers for some Ace Combat support.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

For Canadians, amazon.ca has the War Thunder edition of the T.Flight HOTAS 4 joystick on sale for $70, or a significant 30% off. ca.camelcamelcamel.com says it's the lowest price it's been since it started tracking the product.

https://www.amazon.ca/THRUSTMASTER-TMST4169083-Playstation4-T-Flight-Thunder/dp/B015PJ68BK

Yes, the Thrustmaster t.flight hotas 4 it's a decent stick and you can use it on PC as well. I don't own a PS4 and use it only for DCS on PC but it works well. I also used it to play AC 5 and Zero on PCSX2 and had no complaints. But I can't vouch for how it works on PS4.

I knew nothing about them and didn't want to get a super expensive one without ever having used one or played Elite at the time. This is the HOTAS4 from thrustmaster. You can pick up a HOTAS X from them for $10 cheaper but this one works with the PS4 too (not that many games support it but with VR on the way, better safe than sorry). Love it so far, can't really give it any negatives other than that the cable between the two pieces being a bit short but that's where the hobby part kicks in.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PJ68BK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Yeah, I bought mine on Amazon for $70 - worth every penny.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PJ68BK/

Should also be mentioned that the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas is at a new low price for amazon.

Seems like its been pulled from preorder on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Flight-Controller-SCB432210002-01/dp/B01CZTSS3O?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

Dont know why, but if they pulled it from preorder. Its 1 of two options, either they cant meet the amounts of preorders. Or (Lets just hope its this one) They pulled the product for quality reasons. If they make a MK.2 mod of the x-56 with better quality then im probably back on the hype train. But until that happens im not buying a Saitek product with this poor quality.

So, when is the release date for X56 ??
30 May ?

Amazon.de its says, it's available from 30.05.2016
https://www.amazon.de/Saitek-X-56-Rhino-T-System/dp/B01CZTSS3O?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

CH Products makes the most durable and reliable stuff based on my own experience and user reviews, but they're kinda ugly and expensive. If you're not down with the price of the CH stuff, the T-Flight by Thrustmaster is a really good value with decent functionality. The only thing that I didn't like about it was the annoying USB cable that ran between the throttle and joy stick when you separate the base. Saitek seems to have quality control issues, so I'd consider that a gamble at $250.

This is the x56 Rhino I was looking at.

The Logitech X56 seems like the safer choice though.

I am in the same boat as you

Have been looking at reviews from amazon.

Except the X56 has 3 stars. (I'd be more comfortable with 4.)

X52 G pro has 3.5 stars and the X52 has 4 stars.

I currently use the 50$ thrust master. Which works to see if you're into the game.

Anyways if you can please post again after you get it?

https://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Flight-Controller-SCB432210002-01/dp/B01CZTSS3O/ref=sr_1_16?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1519950077&sr=1-16&keywords=Saitek

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It's the same one that i have but $500 less
Got it from a local store :/

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I do believe they're the same except the look

i think its called the FCS or FWS but they were initially only available together for like 110.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485362692&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000

Edit: yeah newegg has them at 120 but out of stock

i would imagine this has to be priced at 185 due to limited stock?

I just got into this game recently, and have been really enjoying it. I've been looking into getting a HOTAS, and I think I've narrowed it down to two models, but I have concerns about both of them.

The X52 Pro seems quite nice, but I'm a bit concerned about the QA, I've heard a lot of them fail (especially recently with logitech), is there any truth to that?

The other one I've been looking at is the Thrustmaster T.16000M which seems to have really good build quality and an excellent throttle, but I'm a bit worried the joystick doesn't really have enough buttons for elite. Any advice on which way to go (or a different way entirely) would be appreciated!

Thrustmaster Warthog is so overpriced. I've used them and I get that they are good, but unless you are doing a professional setup, I can't see paying that for a joystick.

This is a fairly good setup if you are looking budget and for HOTAS. Personally for space sims I use 2 of These to get all the degrees of motion. It works exceptionally well in Star Citizen.

>I'm loving my [Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS pack] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA). (TWCS is the throttle, FCS is the combo)

I'm sorry I'm late to the party, but did you order yours from Amazon? If so, how long did it take to get to you?

I had ordered one on Amazon.ca on Sunday afternoon and it was delivered to me this morning. It also says that there is currently some in stock.

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484687252&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000m

A pretty solid choice is always the TM T.16000. You're really not going to get anything worth having in the sub-100 range new. If you're looking for something a bit more, the Logitec X52 pro (don't touch the non-pro, it has bad QA issues) is a great middle-ground HOTAS with good durability and features. If you can find an X52P used, you'll spend roughly T.16000 price that'l probably end up lasting longer.

Although it's worth mentioning, the A8 in your computer probably won't be too happy playing a whole lot of anything. Money would be better spent on upgrades.

I'd suggest getting the T16000 FCS (with the TWCS throttle) - that's about $100. Then to be honest with your remaining $400, I'd suggest going straight for a Rift for $399 - nothing compares to flying a plane in VR, it's awesome, and DCS works brilliantly with it.

I got the Thrustmaster 16000.m FCS HOTAS. There are nicer sticks out there, but based on my research this one is good quality and costs $99 for throttle and stick where doing better can cost $250+ for just the stick. The only gripe I could find would be the throttle lube wearing out and the rails sticking, which can be remedied by a tube of silicone grease/oil.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I think if you have the money to sink into it - the CH setup is probably the way to go like HoochCow mentioned, but I've only done some basic research into this stuff in order to get off the ground in elite and the $99 price was right for the Thrustmaster.

> I love this game to death but I don’t have the money or time to justify Hotas or sticks.

$15.99 on Amazon, has a small throttle too.

$31.99, has more buttons and a better throttle.

You don't have to get a $100+ HOTAS to get flightstick flight.

IMO if you can afford a system that can play SC and can afford to pledge to SC then you can find $20-30 for a basic flight stick.

I'm yet to buy hotas, and is thinking of buying 'Logitech G X56 H.O.T.A.S' or 'Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS'.

And I'm gonna only fly F-16 in Falcon BMS, which has FBW-based maneuvering system.

Seems like a hassle and would break immersion...

The throttle+stick bundle is currently $97 on Amazon.

> Don't by a plane with complicated systems and tricky/unique flight characteristics if you can't fly an F-15 proficiently. The FC3 planes have simplified systems but most have the same level of flight model. The F-15C and Su-27/33 are 3 of the best air to air planes in the game, so you're not at a disadvantage in that regard, if they were full fidelity they'd probably be even better (more radar modes to work with is one that comes to mind), master these then get the mirage

Thanks I think I'll stick with the FC3 planes mainly the F-15C for now, I heard that Mirage is not ransferable between Steam and Standalone so that might be a problem.

Also Can Steam players play with Standalone players?

> Get a proper hotas before going past the FC3 aircraft

So HOTAS X would be insufficient? I did look at the T16kM do I need the throttle combo? or just the stick? since I see there is what looks like a small throttle slide right there

and what do you think about the VKS Gladiator MkII stick? I've been eyeing it for a while (because I like how it looks, but expensive, I'm probably more likely to get T16K M. )

One last thing, Su-27, the engine won't start, I know the Start up sequence is pretty similar for all FC3 planes, I did the same things I do on the F-15C but the Throttle doesn't respond, there is no engine noise the plane just won' start.

MiG29 did respond to the same start up sequence, (battery>cockpit>engine>Nav lights>flaps)

I picked up one of these recently but haven't gotten a chance to set it up yet so I can't really speak on the quality but the price isn't bad and you get the throttle too.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510268079&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t.16

It seems we nearly unanimous with the T.16000M FCS (Amazon). If that is to expensive the T-Flight (Amazon) is your next option and an decent started HOTAS but not enough buttons/hats for ED.

Just found this.

Now all I have to do is justify this purchase to the other member of the household...

E: I guess Newegg is playing it safe with their October release date?

Release date is in December in Canada for some reason... https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1474035994&sr=8-7&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

This one. It looks like a much needed upgrade.

Don't waste your time or $ with Saitek (read Madcatz) garbage. Get this, or just shell the cash for the Warthog. Thrustmaster is just better quality equipment.

Maybe it was 9 hours ago but now it stills work.

Oh, I know, I'll link this : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Cheapest:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Next cheapest:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I'd recommend the second one, since the joystick sensor is much better, and you have more buttons. But the first one gets good reviews too, so it's not a bad choice. I have the second one and I'm very happy with it.

Question about flight sticks.

I am not sure where this should go. I have been getting back into Elite dangerous, And I have been using my Vive and I learned quickly. That my old stick might not be cutting it. I currently have a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick , I am thinking about upgrading to a Thrustmaster T.16000M Would it make a differnce and worth the upgrade? Thank you.


Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=pd_sbs_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B001CXYMFS&pd_rd_r=NVESBDBB5D5SZWK33E1V&pd_rd_w=qogcd&pd_rd_wg=sVt0L&psc=1&refRID=NVESBDBB5D5SZWK33E1V

Thrustmaster T.16000M

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

HOTAS... games like Elite and flight sims take on a whole new dimension. Thrustmaster T16000m/TCS is a good entry level bit of kit for $100. Lots recommend T-Flight HOTAS but I don't, it's $50 of squeaky disappointment with very low resale value.

Wheel/pedals/shifter... simracing (truck driving, etc) in VR is fucking awesome, but only with a reasonable driving setup. A used Logitech G27 can be found for $150-$200 and is your best bang/buck ratio maybe used G29/shifter.

Both of these peripherals allow full body transfer once set up and used in games that make proper use of them, and those are experiences with near infinite replay-ability that make some of the best use of VR.

Check out this HOTAS. Cheap and also has yaw twist

EDIT: are you on PS4? if so nvm

I used this HOTAS for the first 1700 hours I played ED, and it worked fine for me. Still works great, but I upgraded to this HOTAS recently, which is even better.

Forget the newer Saitek's They have loads of problems.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1494725251&sr=1-1&keywords=T16000m
Get one of these! I had the X52 and the X52 Pro. They both crapped out.
Been Using the T16000m for a month and it's a very good setup. Once you change the Grease on the Throttle to Nyogel 767A; It's a dream come true.

I use https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA. AMA

Yeah, I try to keep any buttons that have time-sensitive functions on my HOTAS. I have an Oculus on order so recently I re-mapped a LOT of stuff onto my setup since I will be basically blind IRL. Targeting, pips, menu controls, menu selector for all 4 menus, weapon groups, wingmate selection, boost/reverse, chaff/shield-cell, FA toggle... All usable without removing my hands from the controls. HOTAS is a tremendous advantage over a flight-stick.

I have the Thrustmaster Warthog (like $500) but I part of me wishes I would have just settled for the "T-16000"

I'd suggest something more than a single joystick for this game, so between those two I'd go for the HOTAS X.

However, if you can swing it I'd highly recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS.

I'd also suggest you poke around /r/HOTAS, they have the coolest stuff over there

Flight Stick.

Could you save up a little more to get this one. It is great !

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I use this with this just to the left of my throttle. It works great, plus now I don't have a full keyboard right in front of me.

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Le T1600M qui a parait il été fait pour ED. Les led sont orange-jaune et il y a un profil pour le jeu.

The Thrustmaster 16000 stick or HOTAS (stick & throttle) seems to be a crowd favorite for a good value & performance.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA

SC noob here, I don't even own the game yet. I'd check out the T16000M. I use it for DCS World and it's a pretty nice HOTAS for relatively cheap compared to super high end sets.

One thing I'm kinda curios about is how lucrative using a HOTAS or HOSAS will be vs a mouse. From some videos I've seen so far it looks like using a mouse could give a major advantage as people are making pinpoint shots using the mouse whereas with a joystick it would be super difficult.

Though you could technically get by with a joystick with a slider for throttle, I would say my minimum starting point would be a separate stick and throttle. Check out: Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_PaPVBb4RFAYC1

The stick twists which you can use as a rudder while getting started so you can decide if you want to spend another 100+ on rudder pedals.

I believe these are very highly thought of?

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_8?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1498222006&sr=1-8&keywords=thrustmaster

Well I’ve got both spectrums, the full saitek yoke and pedal setup for long sessions and then the ultra cheap Extreme 3D joystick for quick short flights.

In terms of Hotas there’s this one that’s going for $112.

Main thing I’ve noticed unless you spend $500+ they all kind of suck. Even my $200+ saitek setup is such low quality without mods.

That, that's a really big "it depends".

This Alienware Aurora is less than $1000, and would play the game exceptionally well. Figure you'll spend ~80% of that (give or take 20%) if you're building it yourself. You can go lower-end, but this level is also VR-capable, should you want that in the future.

You can buy a Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS for $120-150.

You can get a decent nice 24" monitor for $130-$500 (depending on what you want, but a very basic 1080p 24" screen can be had for $130.

Figure $50-$100 for a decent keyboard/mouse as well.

So, summing this all up, if you just buy what I linked you're looking at ~$1300 if you're looking for something modern that will last a while.

Apologies if questions about gear/peripherals aren't allowed.

I'm loving this game but the KBM controllers are starting to get annoying now that I'm playing more frequently again. I'm looking at HOTAS but I'm just not sure what I should be looking for in this kind of controller.

Right now I'm leaning towards the T-1600M throttle/joystick as it fits my budget the best.

I've found multiple sources that say the X52 Pro is one of the best sticks for Elite, although I'm skeptical of the $70 price hike being worth it.

Will the T-1600M work well for playing Elite, or should I save for a little while longer and jump for the X52 Pro?

In case it's relevant, right now I'm predominantly exploring in the game, though I'm hoping to get more into the combat side of things.

Got the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS for 100€ and love them. Think they are the best for beginners if you look for mid range ones.

hi.. so there is a sale. Would https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA
be significantly better than https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CXYMFS/ref=s9_acsd_al_bw_c_x_2_w
and more importantly, would it be easy to get going with ED? I am a little overwhelmed by the idea of tweaking a ton of configuration settings, etc. It sounds hard.

I agree about the x52 quality, it can be hit or miss the little screen on mine went out after about a month, I never use it anyway but it's still annoying.

Are you referring to this one by chance? https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1500495791&sr=1-2&keywords=flight+sticks

That's the first time seeing it. I've only seen the single/individual stick models before, but I could never go to a dual stick setup I need to have my throttle for the left and .That package seems pretty nice though. I still think I'd prefer the X52 or just move up to a warthog though I couldn't go without my 2nd hat on the stick either.

Good point, I don't think he had one at that time.

OP, this game benefits a lot from a HOTAS, I use the T16000M, good quality and not overly expensive.

T16K HOTAS is a great starting point for E:D. There's a package with the TFRP rudder pedals as well but you don't lose any functionality in E:D without them. The twist rudder becomes second nature.

Here, the best $113 you could spend on a HOTAS.

(Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_VCTOBb0X65Y74)

Edit: apparently mobile isn’t happy with my links.

This seems to get good reviews and is good value

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA?crid=3V1KVJNM44WCY&keywords=joystick&qid=1537116247&sprefix=joys&sr=8-6&ref=mp_s_a_1_6

For that price point, I'd say your best bet for a first HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) is the T16000m FCS. It's probably the best of the entry level HOTAS setups out there. You can also get the rudder pedals to go with them if you want and still not break $200, but they're not necessary.

The only other recommendation I might make would be a the CH Products Fighterstick Pro, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals, but that's going to run you around $350 unless you get them used on eBay or something.

Man, get a HOTAS. I picked up a Thrustmaster T16000M and I haven't been able to stop playing ED lol. I've had the game since Vive launch but couldn't get into it since the keyboard and mouse were a pain in VR...but man that HOTAS makes alllllll the difference.

My father loves it; I’ve found that I can get to all the buttons I need to with a Thrustmaster HOTAS. I still may get Voice Attack just for the “fun” factor, though!

I bought the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick when I first pledged for this game back in 2013, and then realized it was a long way from being flyable

I kind of forgot about it and used M+KB since the game became playable, but recently I remembered I owned it and have been playing with it almost exclusively for the last few days. I'm no expert with one so this is my first impressions

Its surprisingly not too bad for such a cheap stick, and after a lot of practice I'm not -that- much worse than when using a M+KB. I've nearly got my Old Vanduul lap times down to what they were before, and my dog fighting is about as good as normal. And besides the obvious performance differences, it sure is fun to fly with

I do plan to eventually buy a better one (this is what I'm leaning towards when its in stock), but for now its surprisingly good for how cheap it is, and I would actually recommend it to someone who is really on a budget. It does take time to configure though, I recommend this layout and this curve based on my limited testing and what felt natural to me. Without the proper curve its nearly unplayable. I think the only big difference in control layouts is I swapped the afterburner for IFCS buttons, because with racing I needed it available easily

I also use Voice Attack which I have mapped to a whole bunch of commands. I can show you what I have so far if you are interested but its on my home computer

I’m thinking about this semi-inexpensive alternative: Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Rn-PAbGGGJCFR

I actually do have a HOTAS setup. I could totally seeing using the hat switch for piloting as you can just snap to positions to look around, however would you also use it for being a rear gunner where smooth and precise movements are needed?

As for a webcam I have a Logitech Pro C920, which after a little research looks like it's supported by the software you mentioned. I'll be sure to look into it as I know how convenient Track IR is for any flight sim.

Thanks for your response!

The new thrustmaster fcs hotas is fantastic value, and means he can also fly space sims down the line with relative ease if he wants.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Thrustmaster just released something recently

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_BcTuybGKBFY0C

Perhaps will be ok for you?

As much as you says its cheap, the T16000 is still the best one to go with. People that I know that have used it says it great. The accuracy of the stick is actually more than that of the Warthog. If I were you, I would go with the HOTAS setup.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

The newer thrustmaster T16000m setup is a really good choice.

Stick and Throttle Amazon Link

That's the throttle and stick for roughly $100 which is a great price, the package with the pedals is closer to $200.

I have the stick alone that I got for ~$50 and it's pretty great, looking to get the matching throttle now. Also, personally I don't think pedals will make a big deal in ArmA but I'm no pro, so hopefully someone else can help you out there.

You should take a look at r/hotas, there's good help there.

/u/caulfieldrunner Save up for this. If you can't afford this, just buy one T16000m joystick (got mine for like $35 I think) and use the keyboard for throttle etc. The t16000m is easily the best joystick for the price. A lot of people actually just buy two of the joysticks and play like that. I wanted to have a throttle in case I ever get into a proper flight sim game though. For space games, two joysticks is perfect.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I was just reading another thread and decided to buy this just today. I had been looking at the x52 for a while, but it's like double the price of this, and have been hearing bad things about them after being bought out by madcatz.

This Thrustmaster was also designed together with frontier, so I'm guessing it should work pretty well? (will find out Friday) I hear the buttons don't feel as nice, as they're not mechanical except for the trigger, but apparently the sensor accuracy is better. Not really sure which is better better, but just giving you another option.

I'm coming from a T.Flight Hotas X and voice attack, and that's already working great, but I can't find a good way to mount the T.Flight, so looking for an upgrade.

Voice attack is amazing, and I honestly don't think I can go back to not using it. Like someone else said, anything not combat related I don't need buttons anymore, which was a big problem with my T.Flight

If you're looking for something on a budget, the thrustmaster t16000m joystick and throttle are pretty solid. Also if you choose to move to a dual stick setup, the t16000m sticks are configurable for both hands

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ile2DbZXHCDWW

https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA
See you in the verse!

Yes!

Move your mouse over this link and then click "add to cart"

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=dp_ob_title_ce This is about as middle of the road as you're going to get. But I think the price can drop, as I've seen the stand alone stick really cheap before.

Maybe add some of these? https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA Great for flight sims but the orange is my only issue with them.

Oh man the ol' sidewinder eh. That was my weapon of choice way back in the Mech Warrior days. If pricepoint is a concern you can get a decent Thrustmaster HOTAS from Canadian Amazon for a fraction of the price of that one. https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-663296420732-T16000M-FCS-Hotas/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=thrustmaster&qid=1555377733&s=gateway&sr=8-6 This is what I have been running for a few years now without any issues. I don't have much experience with Logitech HOTAS set ups but Saitek also makes a good alternative as well.

To get the full benefit of VR and that 'mersion with E:D... you really should pick up a HOTAS... It's an investment though..

The [Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1525388117&sr=1-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m) is a very good one.

Probably the best for the price...(I took a chance with the 'updated' Logitech X-56 and it's amazing with E:D but it's double the price) I'll say Elite in VR with a HOTAS really is the most complete VR experience out there...

Yo my dude. Welcome to Elite.

Question 1: It is honestly up to you how you prefer to play. Do you want the Wild West in multiplayer? Or do you want to just relax and do some space things without being interrupted. I honestly do both depending on the mood im in. Your pilot and assets are implemented into both so honestly it is what you are feeling at the time.

Question 2: You should get it day one. Elite is straight up doo doo without the season pass. It basically adds planetary landing, more ships, engineering, and a ton of other things including all future updates this year. I would say it is basically mandatory.

Question 3: You can but you either have to get Voice Attack and do the free or paid version, which is a seperate add on you can get on steam for 12 bucks.

Also I would recommend picking up a flight stick eventually if you enjoy the game. The experience is so much better than mouse and keyboard. I started off with this .https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-extreme-3d-pro-gaming-joystick-silver-black/5796515.p?skuId=5796515
After about 100 hours I decided to get this flight stick as it was designed with elite in mind and much better built
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525141604&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m

If you need any help with any aspect of the game I would recommend watching CMDR Exigeous videos on youtube as I believe he makes fantastic tutorials for new and advanced players.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Rwxz4318EEQGHz_z58nVA/playlists

Enjoy your time in Elite my dude.

By far my favorite hotas so far. One of the best values in my opinion. And it's on sale! https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484144571&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65

I'm not religious about it. My Saitek X52 Pro, which was ready and able for 2 years, finally just broke down and stopped working. Unfortunately, Logitech recently bought Saitek and the current reviews are not positive (I assume there are some build/quality issues as they integrate).

So, I just bought, but have not yet received, a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, which is not-too-pricey and seemed to have solid reviews, especially related to ED, when googled.

If the reviews had been better on the Logtech X55, I would have gone there as I was generally happy with my X52 Pro (although, in retrospect, it was my second one since I had to RMA the first stick right after I bought it....hrrrrm).

So, I am hoping the Thrustmaster:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA

is a keeper, at least until and if Steel Series comes out with something.

Save another 29$ and get THIS. Avoid T.Flight Hotas X - it's complete trash, You might as well order cheap Chinese no name hotas and get better bang for your buck. As for Xbox compatibility - forget about it. Microsoft allows only licensed peripherals and there isn't any worth a broken penny (just like vast majority driving wheels outside for ridiculously overpriced "high" end are hot garbage). What do you intend to play on it anyway? I can't recall single console game benefiting from joystick...

Don't waste your money on a warthog sheesh.

Get the trust master FCS stick and throttle. I have one and it's amazing!

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486386713&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65

this is my hotas. One of the best for the price.

I bought this: Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, it definitely has more buttons than I need, but it is plastic and hopefully it will last as long as my previous Logitech stick. My logic is if I get 5 years out of it, great!. I'll then replace it with whatever comes out then. You need 2 USB ports for this setup

I agree. Used the Saitek yoke for a while until it broke. I'm now using this Thrustmaster HOTAS and I really like it considering the price point.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

I ordered this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

really looking forward to getting more into flight sims!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA

I just bought it on Amazon for $100 (£80?). Although it looks like it's currently out of stock.

I'm w/ you on the 100$+ HOTAS... I can't really justify it either, unless it's my main 'go to' game down the line maybe. I might get into Flight Simulator X (FSX) as well, for the civilian aircraft flight aspect, in addition to a space flight sim. The only one over a hundred that I could justify is maybe the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS
I did look into X3, as well as Star Citizen. Both look great, in their own unique ways... SC isn't fully released yet and while X3 looks fun, I'm not sure I'd be into the empire building aspect of it. Not sure why, but Elite has somehow captured my interest over the it's competition. Might change my mind down the line though...

Sorry, I was just trying to find this and being lazy. 😀

EG STARTS Zero Delay USB Encoder to PC Games Arcade Stick Controller for 2Pin Joystick Happ Push Buttons Wire https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L8K21CK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_TvV1CbSF4J7SR

Which I can hook more quality (non lit) buttons too.

Not really going to any tournaments regularly- I actually hadn't even thought about that! Although I am aware that that is a concern among hitboxes.

Internals all I'm using is EG STARTS Zero Delay USB Encoder. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L8K21CK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_HajZDbTGTFR3P

And the buttons (which I linked elsewhere here).
Again nothing I paid a lot for, this is just me having fun and really liking the hitbox layout.

Forgive me for repeating anything you may already know.

For the buttons and joystick, you need a USB encoder. This or similar:

https://www.amazon.com/EG-STARTS-Encoder-Controller-Joystick/dp/B01L8K21CK/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=arcade+usb+encoder&qid=1574973074&sr=8-5

Connect the buttons and joystick to the encoder, connect the encoder to the pi through USB. When you set up retropie, you will be prompted to assign each button for the pi interface.

For the GRS spinner and trackball, you will also need the GRS "12-in1 board".

https://www.amazon.com/Arcade1Up-12-1-Interface-Board/dp/B07NKJ3SKH/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=grs+12-in-1&qid=1574973218&sr=8-2

The GRS spinner and trackball are both designed to plug directly into the stock Arcade1Up hardware. There is no USB connection on those devices. The 12-in-1 board gives you that USB connection. Plug the Spinner into the "P1" port on the 12-in-1 board. Plug the Trackball into the "P2 port". Use the micro USB port on the board to connect to a USB port on the pi.

The pi will recognize the spinner and trackball as a mouse - both devices will be interpreted as the same mouse input. But, that should already be set up to control left/right/up/down movements in any emulator. (Left/right only for the spinner, of course). So, you can jump right into centipede, or tempest or whatever you're using them for.

You may need to adjust the sensitivity of the trackball and/or spinner in each game individually until you get the right performance. There are threads about that on this sub. Here's one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/cj1m4b/share_your_trackball_speed_settings_in_retropie/

In that thread, you can ignore where it says to change the speed. As is clarified later in the thread, the speed settings don't matter - only sensitivity.

ask at /hotas, but i'd rec the cheaper thrustmaster hotas 4 (it has minimal deadzone (upgraded electronics board) compared to hotas x) or the 16000m fcs (has hall sensors) is also a good choice (but I don't like all the buttons on the stick base) :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kXmbkwVyTQ

The x56 is also worth a look but its pricey. But it does have a thumb hat on the stick for games like star citizen and elite dangerous for 6 DOF. not critcal for arma 3 though.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LX398IE

of course you could buy a hotas x/4 and upgrade to hall sensors, and add more buttons and and a teensy 3.6 like I'll bet doing, but if you will be keeping the hotas x vanilla, check out joystick curves which may help reduce the deadzone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqzoJPCZM0w



Sadly there is not perfect hotas out there, all of them have many pros and cons, you have to watch many youtube reviews and decide what you are willing to live with VS the cost.

This.

Or

If you have Amazon Prime:

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Rhino-945-000021/dp/B01LX398IE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494857202&sr=8-1&keywords=x56+rhino+hotas

Otherwise not worth it.

Hmm, anything eh...

Well, after playing quite a bit of Elite Dangerous lately I'm getting more and more tempted of trying to play it with a proper hotas rather than keyboard and mouse. So what I would like is this Saitek Pro Flight X56 Rhino HOTAS costing 250 bucks.

It would also finally give me an opportunity to finally give a go at one of those scary hardcore flightsims.

The X52 is in that price range if I recall. Been using mine for a couple of years now with no issues. Had to remove the indent in the throttle because it was driving me crazy but thats really easy to do.

I really want a full yoke and pedal setup to make life easier for simming but the X52 works really well abd is leaps and bounds over the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro I used to use.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-System/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542501836&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=saitek+52&dpPl=1&dpID=41aijb9PAtL&ref=plSrch

Well, if you've got some pretty deep pockets, go for the VirtualFly "YoKo The Yoke". It's very high quality but comes with a $900 price tag. There's not really a "middle ground" with yokes. It's "really good and expensive" or "not the best but also won't bankrupt you". There are some things like the CH Yoke and the Saitek Pro Yoke that aren't very expensive but might have some QC issues. The Pro Yoke is known to have a dead area in the middle and the shaft
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) sometimes has sticking issues when the aileron axis is deflected left or right.

In terms of joysticks, I use a 6 year old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro I got for 30 bucks. There's more higher-quality, lower-cost stuff in this range. The Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS is the best in this category, for half the price of the YoKo yoke. There's also the Saitek X52, X55 and X56 lineup in terms of higher quality stuff. The X52 can be found for about $150 but doesn't really have all the bells and whistles of the X55 and 56. The X56 is the same thing as the X55 but with RGB lighting. The X55 seems rather difficult to find as of late, with then X56 being about $250 from Newegg.

It also depends on what you fly. For GA I recommend a yoke, and for airliners pretty much anything will do.

Edit: Fixed positioning of Lenny face

I'm in the US, but I ordered it from Amazon so I can return it if there's issues; how can I test for the calibration issues - just hop in and see if it syncs up?

It's the Logitech G X-52 - Amazon link

First off, thank you all for the responses. Super helpful, and reassuring :-).

Planning on getting the below linked yoke and peddles.

Is there any point in getting the radio (or something similar) to increase my actual flying skills?

Thanks Again!

Yoke

Peddles

Radio

$169.99 Logitech G PRO Rudder Pedals

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PRO-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B01LYPMTPT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503064722&sr=8-1&keywords=rudder+pedals

Get'em while they're hot ...

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-X52-Flight-Controller/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

https://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-System-Controller/dp/B000LQ4HTS

Edit: Opps ... didn't fully read your post ... mobile phone :P

Re the PS2 cable: I don't know if the cable is the same as a PS2 standard cable, I recall giving away my old X52 to a mate and giving him a standard PS2 cable but he said it was a different pin-out, so buying spares from an electronic store / PC store may be an option if you modify the wiring and use the original connectors. You could also look at making a base plate for both the Stick and Throttle with guides to secure the ends of the cable. There's lots of options you can explore.

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^i ^want ^this ^one

To be fair, I want a hotas. I just want a mildly expensive one.

Cant comment on the 2 you listed but the Logitech X52 PRO is on sale right now for $99 on amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_TI1MAbMEQSZ95

I have the non-pro version and love it. Enough buttons for just about everything.

I play on a full HOTAS setup, including the chair. Just getting a HOTAS changes the game completely, it's so much more responsive with a joystick and throttle.

You can get a HOTAS for only $40 so it's not thunderingly expensive. But if you want the HOTAS that they literally use in the ship cockpits, it'll cost you about $200.

There are Voicepacks that you can download that allow you to do ship controls via voice, and changes the AI voice that responds to you to certain people (i.e you can have William Shatner become your ship's computer).

I saw that Thrustmaster is finally releasing the HOTAS that was previously only available on PC and PS4 for the X1, which is awesome. I bought the X-52 Pro for my Oculus setup and it just enhances the realism. The in-game throttle and stick were actually modeled after the X-52 pro. So the buttons you press on the HOTAS are mimicked in-game almost 1-to-1. It's uncanny.

I hope with the new HOTAS for X1 there will be more people that give the game a try. Personally I tried the game when it first came out in Game Preview in 2014 but just couldn't enjoy it with a standard controller. Having the HOTAS + VR has made it one of the best games/experiences I've ever had. I just hope that VR will become available for the X1 in the near future so more people can experience this stuff.

I mean, it's cheaper. Could you please take a look to make sure I'm looking at the right product?

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Yoke-System/dp/B01M00OQBE

This one? https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01M00OQBE/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

What's the purpose of HOSAS if you have HOTAS?

I'm not using Voice attack yet or a keyboard, everything fits on the Warthog HOTAS (with pedals) so no need to touch-find the keyboard, though I added some caps/covers to a few of the switches on the throttle base so they would feel different and I could tell which one my fingers were on. I have one of the hat switches on the throttle control lateral/landing thrusters.

However, I just got a ship launched figher bay, which adds 6 more keys and I'm not sure where to put those yet - perhaps an excuse to get one of these if I can figure out where to mount it.

Technically, a direct drive wheel lol (OSW for example)
Very expensive, but very powerful and unmatched in quality (since its something you build, or order to be built for you)
https://www.simracingbay.com/
They're fully customizable, any rim or amount of buttons you want

One option for a button box is to use the Logitech Side Panel, but I don't own one so I don't know if they would be worth it.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Farm-Vehicle-Panel/dp/B01M1B2MJX

Of course, if you are looking for expensive but technically the best, you would probably be looking at these http://derekspearedesigns.com/button-controllers.html

https://evolpcgaming.com/store

>What are the boxes with landing gear and the other with flight level etc ? Are they off the shelf ?


The box with the landing gear is the Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight Switch Panel which you can get on Amazon for $99.99 and the other thing with the flight levels is the Logitech G Pro Flight Multi Panel for $149.99. Both are off the shelf products.

I just found this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/DRAGON-Universal-Arcade-Fight-Controller/dp/B0713YY1LY

I have never heard of "Dragon Slay" before though so definitely do some research before buying it!

They both look similar. Then again they're selling reskinned Mad Catz controllers on their page.

This is what I use and it works great... not too expensive (it works for PC and XBox).
Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas One https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NJErDbPZCZEVX

Whatever setup you get, I would strongly suggest to get full HOTAS (both joystick and throttle)... it’s perfect for ED.

Is it this one?

If so id actually be very interested in investing in one. The price isnt bad and if its a great as people make it out to be, could definitely be worth it.

I think i'd like to add a keyboard converter to my setup as well. Wouldnt be bad to have the stick, throttle and a keyboard just like the in-game ships do.

This is the HOTAS for Xbone.

I guess the deal is dead. Amazon has it for $59 though: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T-Flight-HOTAS-One-Xbox/dp/B07643TW2V

Xbox already has players either using Elite Controllers (with extra paddles) or flightsticks.

The flightstick is awesome, btw. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T-Flight-HOTAS-One-Xbox/dp/B07643TW2V

So, here's the flight stick that I'm going to buy for Ace Combat 7:

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T-Flight-HOTAS-One-Xbox/dp/B07643TW2V

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I was thinking about getting the HORI one, but it's close to $200 in Japan, and I'm not spending that much for one.

> For consoles, added support for a separate custom bindings profile per input device (Gamepad or HOTAS)

> For consoles, added support for switching automatically to the correct bindings profile (Gamepad or HOTAS, standard or custom) depending on the device used to start the game and the profile type that was used with the previous device

This!

With that i can put that hotas back on my list...

Edit: Don't know when it will be back though :

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-Xbone/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520039071&sr=8-1&keywords=hotas+one&dpID=41lqzoyaP0L&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

Xbox has HOTAS.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07643TW2V/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519157117&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=hotas+xbox+one&dpPl=1&dpID=41lqzoyaP0L&ref=plSrch

I play Xbox One exclusively. It does the job. If I ever get a PC that will run ED fully pumped up then I might consider starting over on PC. I would like the bumped up graphics and ability to slightly mod (HUD color and the like) but not enough to jump in on a gaming PC.

Is it this:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Throttle-Simulation-Controller-Gaming/dp/B079P6SSHP/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=logitech+x56&qid=1569136393&s=gateway&sr=8-1

or this:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Flight-Rhino-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B07CKDS4ZT/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=logitech+x56&qid=1569136393&s=gateway&sr=8-2

Both Amazon and Newegg have the new model on different pages.

Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826197306

Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079P6SSHP/

Okay I am going to get elite dangerous is this a good budget hotas setup?

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_La7BzbRCMC3TK

Or should I save $50 with the cheaper option

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sh7BzbSDV8GV5

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is this what everyone means by dual setup? or are you talking about using two of the sticks?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-4460168-T-Flight-Hotas-One/dp/B075S7LG8X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1506538388&sr=8-2&keywords=Thrustmaster+T.Flight+Hotas+One can pre order it on amazon here. Just not directly from Hotas atm

Nice. Apparently the guy I responded to thinks its the "biggest problem in VR simming" so I thought it might be similar to trying to use a keyboard. Also, I dont really have a nose gap in my Vive so i have to lift my HMD every-time which is quite a PITA.

Now thanks to you I am on the Amazon page for MFDs lol

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY

If I was to upgrade from my x52 pro I would get the x-56

amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524293361&sr=8-1&keywords=T.16000

if anyone in europe is looking at this verkkokauppa.com has T.16000M FCS HOTAS combo for -50% at 59€ until tomorrow.
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/4388/hfqtt/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-peliohjainsetti-PC
They ship internationally but their website is in finnish.

I was thinking of selling a barely used hotas in the US if anyone's interested. It's this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511226350&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65