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Don't go hunting without electronic earmuffs. Seriously, they're amazing. You can still hear everything, and then when you do actually shoot it saves your hearing.

You can get OSHA earmuffs with audio inputs.
Amazon link
Download some good podcasts. Try the Joe Rogan experience.

If your only goal is to keep it away from your kids... get this

This will not protect against a motivated burglar with a $5 pawn-shop hammer.

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I'm being informed that the above safe is garbage after a few months. Back to the drawing board.

Get something from LockSAF/LockSāF if you can find it for sale... Deviant Ollam (world-renowned expert on 21st century security and locks) suggests the PBS-001 model, but it appears to be out of stock everywhere.

Keeping it unloaded defeats the purpose of having it for safety. Use one of these instead

http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1324401738&sr=8-7

The Pro version is also on sale.

Just to head off some comments that will definitely probably happen judging from all the times this was posted before:

The sports don't fit everyone well, they're very head shape dependent. If they don't seal properly they won't work as well.

They don't work at indoor ranges as well as the pros or many other over-the-ear hearing protection because they're only 22 NRR, and again, they may not fit everyone well. (I feel like everyone should at least consider doubling up with inserts and earmuffs for most shooting anyway, in which case your insert is what matters more as far as protection goes, but live however you want).

Turning up the background noise amplification will let you hear conversation pretty well even with foam inserts in.

People really like noisefighter ear pad replacements despite them costing more than the actual earmuffs. That may not be the best link or price, I just linked the first one I found.

Ammoland has the MBUS set for 49.99 shipped.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/06/magpul-gen2-mbus-front-rear-back-up-sights/#axzz5tKEWc8Vp

Romeo 5 can be found on amazon for $114.99 shipped:

https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-SOR52001-Romeo5-Compact/dp/B01C95I8N4


Total $165 shipped. PSA saves you $6.

Edit for clarity

1. Think about what you're going to do. Once you have it in mind, take a breath, count down from 3 then do it. I've found it to help stop freezing up
   
   
2. Listen. Howard Leight Impact Sports amplify small sounds like footsteps or talking. It's basically cheating. Also look for shadows.
   
   
3. Learn to shoot ambidextrously. If you're peaking left and using your right shoulder you're going to expose a lot more of your body then if you use your left shoulder. Try not to chicken wing.

Howard Leight Impact Sport

PRO version of the very popular Howard Leight Impact Sport.

These have NR of 30 instead of 22 (SPORT) but also are much wider which can impede usage with rifles/shotguns or any that requires cheek-weld. Commentors online recommend doubling up with foamies and lifting/sliding the earmuff side you are resting your check on to complete the cheek-weld.

Remember. Every 3dB increase is a DOUBLING OF POWER, and every 6dB a doubling of sound pressure level.

Stereo directional sound (Walkers are stereo mic'd but omni-directional so no directional queues) with thick pads and a 3.5mm audio input jack.

CamelCamelCamel shows that this is the lowest price over the last 365 days and this price just changed on Aug 29 to $43.00

Shipped and fullfilled by Amazon.

Also check out the Amazon Warehouse options. I bought one that was marked Used but description noted it is new in original packaging with some cosmetic damage to outer packaging. That box is going in the trash anyway.

PTR w/ 2 magazines - $1680

Sig Romeo 5 - $118

S&B 124 Gr 1k ammo - $160

Gloves - $20

= $1978

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I mean after shipping it'll come closer, but not really a "gotta whip out the credit card now" price.

DO NOT BUY THIS ONE!!!!!!
BUY THE ONE WITH 100'S OF REVIEWS
The one you listed could be a scam or a refurb, who knows with only 3 reviews, buy this one instead: https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-SOR52001-Romeo5-Compact/dp/B01C95I8N4/

So this is a Smith and Wesson Model 27, made in 1960 (per the serial number), .357 Magnum (also .38 special). I received it as a gift and it is my first gun ever! Super stoked to own it now, and I'll probably join the prolonged slide of gun ownership that I see in this sub time to time. My next purchase is likely a smaller concealed carry weapon.

The giant ammo tin is vintage, I'm guessing vietnam era, but no idea, I could be full of shit. It's stacked with hundreds of .357 FMJs. 1 box of .357 hollow points, and 2 boxes of Shotshell snake charmers.

I'm pleased as punch with this gun. I've just purchased a bunch of accessories on amazon, I'll post them below, maybe you can tell me if these are good products or not for range shooting. (No referral links or any of that bs)

Plano Protector 4 pistol case

MTM 38/357 Cal 100 Round Flip-Top Ammo Box

Remington T-72 Shooting Glasses

3M Peltor Combat Arms Earplugs

Hoppe's Universal Gun Cleaning Accessory Kit

Most people will probably recommend an AR-15, a 12-guage pump shotgun, or a 9mm pistol; but I've actually been moving away from those types of guns after I started to learn more about how much permanent damage firearms do to your hearing. If you ever shoot an AR-15 or a shotgun indoors without hearing protection, you'll probably rupture your eardrums and hear an annoying ringing sound for the rest of your life. So, I'd prefer to avoid that if possible. That's why I recently bought a 9mm carbine (a 9mm rifle with a shoulder stock and a 16-inch barrel) as my new primary home defense weapon. Yeah, you lose out on some terminal performance (killing power), but 30-ish rounds of 147-grain 9mm Federal HST should be enough to deal with 99.999% of home invaders.

An AR-15 chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO will create about 167 decibels (anything above 140 decibels will permanently damage your hearing); a rifle chambered in .308 Winchester will create 170+ decibels; a 9mm pistol with a 4-inch barrel will create about 160 decibels; a 9mm carbine with a 10-inch barrel will create about 156 decibels; and a 9mm carbine with a 16-inch barrel will create about 152 decibels. I haven't been able to find reliable information about how many decibels a 12-gauge shotgun creates, but it's probably in the 160s.

152 decibels still isn't hearing safe; but the difference between 152 decibels and 167 decibels is huge since sound doubles in strength every 3 decibels. 152 decibels will still hurt your ears and cause permanent hearing damage if you hear it repeatedly; but it won't completely destroy your ears like a 5.56x45mm rifle or a 12-gauge shotgun will.

And the reason why I went with a 9mm carbine over a 9mm pistol is because carbines are much easier to aim, you get much quicker followup shots, you get a little bit more bullet velocity (and thus foot-pounds of energy and terminal performance), and there's still a large sound difference between 152 decibels and 160 decibels.

As to which specific 9mm carbines I recommend, I'll give you 3 different options to choose from.

The cheapest option: The Kel-Tec Sub-2000 Gen 2 ($500-ish but hard to find). I'm personally not a fan of Kel-Tec quality standards and aesthetics, but the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 is one of the few firearms that Kel-Tec makes that the vast majority of people in the gun community agrees is a good gun. I'd get the version that accepts Glock magazines and stick a 33-round Glock magazine in it. Glock magazines are widely regarded as being the best magazines in the world; and the 33 rounders that they make are widely regarded as being reliable.

The mid-tier option: The CMMG Mk9LE ($900-ish). From the research that I did on AR-15s chambered in 9mm, the ones made by CMMG are highly regarded as being reliable. I recommend using the 32-round Uzi magazines from IWI. Based on your criteria, this would be my top recommendation for you.

The high-tier option: The KRISS Vector GEN II CRB ($1,300-ish). This is the option that I personally went with. I chose it because it's reliable and because it looks amazing.

I also want to go out of my way to rule out a popular option: The CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Carbine. The "pistol" version is wildly popular; but I've personally seen way too many horror stories about all-polymer magazines stretching and breaking their own feed lips after being stored loaded for a long period of time (which is what you'd be doing with a home defense weapon). So, until CZ upgrades their polymer magazines with steel-reinforced feed lips (like Glock does), I'd personally stay away from their products that use those types of magazines.

And I know that you said that you didn't want to add accessories, but a light is a mandatory accessory on a home defense firearm in my opinion (so that you can positively identify your target before you shoot and therefore hopefully avoid accidentally shooting a loved one). The Streamlight ProTac 2 and the INFORCE WMLx would be my top 2 recommended lights for long guns.

As to which bullets that I'd recommend, I already mentioned them: 147-grain 9mm Federal HST (standard pressure). The 124-grain 9mm Federal HST (standard pressure) is also extremely good. I wouldn't hesitate buying and using either of them for home defense. This website will help you find them in stock.

I also highly recommend this accessory in order to make loading your pistol magazines much, much easier.

As to bullet overpenetration, all major rounds will zip right through several of the kinds of walls that you'd find in a typical home. The only "safe" option is birdshot (used in shotguns), but birdshot doesn't penetrate deep enough into the human body (you want 12 to 18 inches of penetration according to FBI tests) to reliably stop a home invader (and therefore birdshot obviously shouldn't be an option for home defense in my opinion). Don't listen to the people that will tell you that the 5.56x45mm NATO round is safer to use because it tends to tumble and fragment when it hits a wall. It will still penetrate through several walls. You just have to be careful about how you angle your shots. That's really your only way to avoid hitting innocent people.

And if you're not as worried as I am about permanently damaging your own hearing while defending your home, then the Smith & Wesson M&P15 SPORT II would be my top rifle recommendation (I recommend pairing it up with 30-round magazines from Lancer); the Mossberg 500 series of shotguns would be my top shotgun recommendation; and the full-size Smith & Wesson M&P9 would be my top pistol recommendation. And I'd pair them up with this electronic hearing protection if I was you.

As to ammo recommendations for the 3 options that I listed above, I recommend Hornady 75-grain BTHP T2 TAP (8126N) or Hornady 5.56 NATO 75-grain BTHP Superformance Match (the .223 version that Hornady makes is also fine); this Managed-Recoil 8-pellet 00 buckshot from Remington (it patterns very tightly); and the 147-grain 9mm Federal HST that I already mentioned above, twice.

And if you go with a pistol, then I recommend the Streamlight TLR-1 as a mandatory accessory.

As to lubricant, you can't really go wrong with Break-Free CLP.

Literally impossible to go wrong with these. They come in different colors too and the prices vary. Other vendors on Amazon sometimes have them for less.

Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Shooting Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_j5MMBbN1YEPDY

If you’re shooting a rifle, it’s wise to double up, using little soft ear plugs in addition to the muffs, if you can bear it. Hearing cannot he restored...

The bottom line is, all of these safes are designed to keep honest people honest. A determined crook will be able to get your guns, no matter what you store them in.

Your best bet would be to get the best safe that you can afford, then figure out a way to make it invisible. Thieves won't try to break into your safe if they don't see it.

I have 2 handgun safes. One is this one. It's bolted to a heavy nightstand, 2 feet from my head while I sleep. There is only a gun in it while I'm asleep. Its whole job is to keep my gun out of my 2 year old daughter's hands while I sleep, yet give me pretty quick access if I need it.

My big safe is bolted into the concrete floor in my unfinished basement, hidden behind a false wall that I created from 2x4's and plywood. If you didn't know it was there, you'd never find it.

Electronic ear muffs are great. It's hard to beat the Howard Leight Impact Sport for the money, but they gave me a headache after wearing them all day at matches. I use custom molded plugs and a set of MSA Sordin's now and they're well worth the $$$ for me.

As far as eye pro, it really depends on what kind of shooting you do. A decent set of glasses with 3-5 interchangeable lenses is really nice to have.

Reload.


Seriously.


I'm procrastinating so I'll just do the math for you right now:


As of April 16, 2019, a Lee Anniversary single stage reloading kit is $130.71

A set of Lee .308 dies is ~$45.

Let's say you add a few more reloading starter items and you bring your equipment cost to $300 USD. This is on the higher end of what you'd need to start, but who knows.


To load .308 you need brass, powder, primer, and a projectile.

Powder: Ramshot Tac. $160/8 lbs. (These are ballpark prices but I'm searching them on ammoseek.com right now which is a search aggregator).

Primer: CCI #200 Large Rifle Primer. $30/1000.

Brass: Mixed once-fired brass. $13/100.

Projectile: Hornady 168 HPBT. $0.24 per projectile


Let's assume 45 grains of powder per charge (note: Fuck no this is high. Don't use this. It's an overestimate).

That brings your total cost per round to: $0.53 per round. And that's assuming you don't use the brass multiple times. If you reload the brass 3x, that brings the total cost per round to $0.44 per round.

At $0.56 of savings per round compared to $1/round match ammo, you'll break even at about 540 rounds. While that may seem a lot, that's <6 months of weekly range trips of 25 rounds. And let's not lie. You'll probably shoot more than that.

These

Cheap, battery lasts a long time, works pretty damn well.

Ive been using these for the better part of 2 years now, and they work perfectly. I mainly use them for shooting outdoors but I've had friends stand 50+ feet away and say something and it will amplify what they say. It feels like cheating in a video game almost.

Yes, headphones aren't ear protection. They don't adequately block harmful external noise. You can, however, get electronic hearing protection that include input jacks so you can protect your ears and listen to music (unless you have the new iPhone).

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

I’ve been using Peltor’s and the Surefire earplugs for years, both have been great.

Peltor 6 S Headset No issues fitting under a helmet.

Surefire EP4

Surefire EP7

These work pretty well.

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381399353&sr=8-1&keywords=howard+leight

I use these. They work great and you can double up with plugs and crank the volume so you can still converse with other people.

I really like Bushnell TRS-25. Its under $90 at amazon. No problem holding its zero after 1K rounds.
Now 69.99 http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Reticle-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1381418979&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=trs+25

It's fine if you don't want one, so don't feel pushed by me...

However, it takes about 5-10 minutes to clean a gun, is easy after the first time, and most guns only need it every few hundred rounds. Ammo lasts forever and is safe (unless you store it in an oven), so you can buy in bulk when it's on sale and just store it.

If safe storage is a concern, you can buy one of these and stop kids while being able to get it fast if someone breaks in at night. Guns also hold their value well, so if you don't like it you can sell it for not much loss...

Again though, if you don't think you want to spend the money and time that's totally fine. If you don't think shooting is much fun, that's also fine but you might want to give it a try first ;)

Bushnell TRS-25

Add a light mount.

A light

A dot.

A sling.

and good ammo.

And you’ve got yourself a good HD setup.

^(better prices found on /r/gundeals)

I encourage you to try electric ear protection. It has a microphone and speakers that amplifies anything below a certain decibel. So you can hear people talking, but it still drowns out gunfire.

Howard Leight Impact Sport are pretty well regarded.

And on a good sale.

If the threat model is persistent intruder, then you might have an issue even with a safe that's not secured to the location.

If the thread model is "kids/guests", then any sort of lock box is going to be just fine.

As you say, a quick-access safe in discrete concealment might meet the best of both worlds. A GunVault Micro at 8.5" x 11" x 2.5" is going to need a pretty big "book" to conceal. The "Nano" line is only 8.2" x 6" x 1.8", a bit easier.

Also, there's plenty of in-plain-sight furniture (shelving, tables, &c.) along those lines.

Might be earplug versions of this sort of tech: http://smile.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464987927&sr=8-1&keywords=ear+protection+noise+shooting

Surprised me when I tried em at a shooting range, you can hear conversations 10 tables away but it muffles the shooting sounds.

Same sight is $20 cheaper at PSA right now: http://palmettostatearmory.com/bushnell-ultra-compact-red-dot-731303.html

If you really wanted the riser it's $10 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TWZG4G

Amazon had the version with the riser for something like $65 a few weeks ago, and PSA had just the sight for $60 a few weeks ago.

Ikea furniture is not going to stop a kid.

Mount a small safe and most your problem will be solved.

My parents just put guns out of reach until I was old enough to be told not to touch them. If you expose your children to guns at an early age, they won't have any interest or curiosity to explore or play with them when you aren't around guiding them safely.

Also, congrats. My wife had our first child 2 weeks ago.

Howard Leight Impact Sports. I've been using mine for several years now and they work great.

They have adjustable sound amplification for low-dB noises (speech, game, environment) and automatically dampen high-dB hoises (gunshots). I've been very, very impressed with them and even use them when doing yardwork and such, too.

Also, they're about $40. That's hard to beat.

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

I, along with most other gunnitors it seems, go with Howard Leight Impact Sports.

I would recommend Impact Sport electronic. They are very compact for electronic earmuffs and have an audio jack to plug in your iPod. I wear mine at the range, working with power tools, etc.

EDIT Bonus for hunting, they enhance all the sound around you so you will hear those deer really well from afar.

for competitive shooting I and many others use Howard Leight Impact Sport earmuffs. I'm not sure how BIFL they are, But they've survived everything I've put them through over the last year and many others swear by them. They have microphones and speakers so are great for when you need to block out all sounds except for voices (great for Range commands).

It's really hard to go wrong with Howard Leight electronic earmuffs. They're probably the most popular type around, and I really don't think casual shooters need anything fancier.

And personally, I double up. I use the above earmuffs in addition to foam earplugs.

Probably not what you're looking for but I can't support this product enough:

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Impact-Electric-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O?ie=UTF8&keywords=howard%20leight%20ear%20pro&qid=1458674888&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

2nd vote for the Romeo 5 if you can find it at $100 or below on eBay with a coupon. Oyahsales, or whatever the eBay company with the good price is called, seems to have caught on and raised their price by a few bucks to offset the frequent coupons.

If not, just keep an eye on gundeals.

I've also got a couple TRS-25s, but since you'll need a pic rail riser and that seems to mean shitty UTG risers, I don't really feel they're worth it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_m4kXCbTFTX5W7


Yeah it's a extra step and every second counts, but it's about as quick as opening a drawer. If it makes you feel any better, you can blame the piles of shit in people suits who let their kids blow their brains out. That's what I do.

I wouldn't be...But that is me and my ears. Take care of your own. When you start banking hours of focused practice a day I certainly would. It especially helps as ears get "tired" after a while. There's also the development of tone to consider-the only way to know how your tone is, is to hear it. Either direct or on a tape. Hard day of practice/rehearsal-I keep plugs in, but that is me and the hours I have to keep for the job.

Today in modern life we're surrounded by loud noises and just get completely desnsitized to it. Back in Bach's day, the loudest thing anyone would experience in their day to day existence (short of a war) was a pipe organ. Today, no one thinks much of a pipe organ in loudness. Kids go to rock/pop/country shows where I've pulled out a calibrated professional sound pressure level gauge and clocked those acts at 100+dB sustained backstage, 50ft behind the speaker arrays, for 3 hours. In the house, the sound level is hot enough to damage plaster on the walls....meanwhile the kids are having their hearing actively destroyed and don't notice/care.

Car engines, motorcycles, vacuum cleaners, lawn mowers....the list goes on and on. Whenever I need to mow the lawn of vacuum clean--I have a ballistic -30dB certified headset for it--because those damn things are loud, even the "quiet" ones.

$73.98 out the door. Not able to use the "Free Shipping items" trick to drop down the shipping cost.

edit On Amazon for $69.20 if you have Prime.

Built this rifle about a year ago. I finally got around to posting on here. This build was as budget as I could get without going too bare bones.

Lower:

• Anderson Stripped Lower
  
• Magpul LPK with TG
  
• 6 Position Buffer Tube
  
• Hand-me-down Generic Stock
  
  Upper:
  
  
• Anderson Stripped Upper
  
• [Upper Build Kit] (http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-upper-build-kit.html)
  
• [16" Mid-Length Stainless Steel Barrel chambered in 5.56, 1/7 Twist] (http://palmettostatearmory.com/review/product/list/id/18254/category/325/)
  
• [12" Guntec Ultra Slim M-Lok Handguard] (https://www.opticsplanet.com/guntec-usa-ultra-lightweight-thin-m-lok-system-free-floating-handguard-w-monolit.html?_iv_color=black&_iv_length=15-in,12-in&_iv_code=2AH-HZ-ULTMLSF-GT-12MLK)
  
• BCG+CH (Can't remember where I bought these but I remember initially buying from Delta Team Tactical and got the shittiest BCG that was visibly out of spec and would not go into battery. If you don't know about them, strive to keep it that way)
  
• A2 Flash Hider
  
  Accessories:
  
  
• [Cheap Amazon Flip Up Sights] (https://www.amazon.com/Ade-Advanced-Optics-Front-Sight/dp/B00ZX1OOGM/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1467817435&sr=1-4&keywords=ar+sights)
  
• [Cheap Amazon Red Dot that has held up so far] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
  
• [w/ 0.83" Rise Mount] (https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Med-pro-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TX2BD4/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=62MNRWKFA6ESKVAFRW20)
  
• Homemade Sling made to function similiar to a VTAC two Point
  
• [Magpul M-Lok Handstop] (http://www.cabelas.com/product/MAGPUL-M-LOK-HAND-STOP-KIT/2339264.uts)

Amazon's price is currently 126.45 + tax

https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-SOR52001-Romeo5-Compact/dp/B01C95I8N4

Nah, they don't block enough ambient noise to protect your hearing. Pick yourself up a pair of these, they've got an auxillary in if you wanna pipe in your 'tunes. Keep in mind that the pads tend to leak noise in if you turn your head too far, so I like to double up with a pair of in-ear plugs, then put these on top of my ears and turn up the volume on the speakers.

Howard Leight Impact Sport

As an additional note, you'd probably get laughed at and reprimanded by the Range Officer for walking onto the range with a pair of Beats.

>Do I need to get ear protection for a .22? If so, any suggestions?

Yes! .22 still produces noise loud enough to damage hearing, especially long term use. [These] ( http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O) are a great value for the money.

>What eye protection is the best? (What do y'all use/what's your favorite pair of goggles)?

Nothing fancy, as long as it's rated for shooting.

>How long should I wait before getting a scope?

Until you have a need for one. If you get into longer range shooting and you can't see the targets naturally.

>Should I store it vertically? (Corner of a closet)?This is my first gun, so I don't have a safe, would under my bed work? (I did get a case for it)

Vertically is fine, though you should find a way to lock it up. If you can't afford a safe right now look for a cabinet you can lock and bolt to the wall. It won't stop a determined thief, but it'll deter curious house guests, children, and smash and grabs.

>Can I plink in my backyard? (Harris county, Texas)(I'm pretty sure this one is a no, thought I'd ask anyway)

I don't know your local laws, but unless you have several acres and a solid backstop it's not safe regardless of whether it's forbidden or not.

>I'm a first generation gun owner in my family, I'd like to be responsible with firearms, if I missed anything important, please say, I'd love to hear suggestions on how I can be responsible with guns.

Look in to Appleseed shoots. They're an excellent way to improve your marksmanship.

>I don't know if it matters but I got 1 box of CCI .22lr and the Ruger BX-25 with it.

Your 10/22 will love CCIs. Other brands work, too, but CCI is usually consistent.

To get into the electronic muffs game, look no further than these:

Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_WFQvyb87ZW6BE

I was kind of shocked the first time I put on electronic hearing protection. I'm surprised we don't see more non-disabled people using hearing aids. It's basically like having a superpower. You can eavesdrop on a quiet conversation 30 meters away.

Electronic muffs. Not only will they protect your hearing, they can also amplify other sounds.

That is a good choice but is going to get very expensive quickly. You are going to need a good suppressor, subsonic ammo, and a tax stamp. A much more economical option would be to keep these on the night stand next to your firearm.
edit: also as far as sigs go I'm partial to the p226 legion SAO.

Looks like it's the second lowest price it's been on Amazon based on graph. Wish I had gotten last time

http://camelcamelcamel.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/product/B001T7QJ9O

I realize this isn't exactly what you're looking for, but this is probably your best bet at this price point.

No, you're best bet is a Bushnell TRS-25 or one of the cheaper Primary Arms red dots.

Buy Once, Cry Once.

> Safes are attached to where they are.

>Yeah. A safe is bolted to the floor.

This is not true. None of what you just said is true.

https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1527028963&sr=1-4&keywords=gun+safe

https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-Water-Extra-Combination-SFW123DSB/dp/B005P12F2K/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1527028811&sr=1-4&keywords=safe

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Fire-Resistant-Safe-Cubic/dp/B074KDHMKJ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1527028811&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=safe&psc=1

How much are you figuring to spend on everything? I suggest getting an entire Lee kit. I've had mine for the past 3 years or so and it's been great. $130 for a starter kit that includes everything you need except a manual and dies. Considering what other kits cost, this is pretty cheap and by no means low quality.

http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-50th-Anniversary-Reloading/dp/B00162RM3E

You can get a set of ears that has a line so they will act like headphones for your beeps.

Example: Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Shooting Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_FMSgDbZZWJBTR

I'm the same way. As a fellow budget optic enthusiast, I feel compelled to tell you that the Field Sport micro red dot is, by far, the best budget optic I've ever used. The dot is crisp and bright, with no noticeable parallax past 25 yards. There are youtube videos of people beating the shit out of them, submerging them in water, freezing them, and putting them in a toaster oven with melted cheese, all without failure or POI shift. It's honestly so good I can't justify spending the money on any more expensive red dots except for a real Aimpoint T1, and only because of the T1's incredible battery life.

try get an ear muff over a 25 rating

It is also very hard to beat the performance of foam ear plugs

I also recommend a suppressor, hearing doesn't grow back

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It's amazing value for the price. Good reviews. Works just fine on my plinkers. Make sure you get a cheap riser if you want any sort of co-witness.

On my backup gun I run this Pinty reflex sight. It's cheap and gets the job done. The adjustable brightness is a nice touch if you're playing in a dark/light environment.

On my main gun I run the Bushnell TRS-25. Definitely the best bang for your buck. Great construction and a super clear and sharp reticle.

Howard Leight Impact Sport Earmuff.

I use these. I always feel disappointed when I leave the range and shut them off and I can't hear as well as I can with the amplifiers on.

Dont use those.

Get this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7QJ9O/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1463536705&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=howard+leight+impact+sport&dpPl=1&dpID=413LEFbzvIL&ref=plSrch

And these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0007XJOLG/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1463536741&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=howard+leight+earplugs&dpPl=1&dpID=31ZxugkFgVL&ref=plSrch

Hearing ain't nothing to fuck around with. Don't do cheap or stupid when it comes to protecting your ears.

I use that setup, and i could shoot my AR all day in comfort with those together. Also, the plugs come in individually wrapped pairs, so you can always keep a few extra for friends/ strangers in your range bag.

My $.02

[This ear pro is really good.] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00) I got a pair and it's great. Even is he isn't the biggest fan of them, he can have them as backup for himself or when a friend tags along. And it's right at $40

Electronics need room for the electronics. Mic, wires, speaker - it all takes room. The more room taken by electronics, the less room there is for sound dampening stuff.

Get these they are the general standard for mid cost but good protection.

For outdoor ranges I use these Howard Leights. Indoor ranges I double up with some cheap foam plugs.

Here's what I like:

• Electronic muffs with quality audio
  
• Low profile
  
• Better than NRR 25
  
• Less than $150
  
• Audio input
  
• No sharp edges
  
• Quality materials. No shitty ABS injection moldings. Need something rugged that will survive being dropped on the ground. Polycarbonate is an excellent material.
  
  Basically these, but better protection and audio quality: https://www.amazon.ca/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O
  
  

I think he means ear protection like this: Howard Leight Shooting Earmuff https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O

I've used these at the range. They have a 3.5mm jack for plugging in an audio device.

The TRS-25 hits the price/quality mark perfectly for a gun you're just looking to have fun with. The rebate deal they had a month ago is over, but you can still get one for $70 on Amazon.

> American Weigh Digital Scale, 100g [0.01g sensitivity $10.42 Qty: 1

You probably want to go with something that displays in grains, otherwise you'll need to convert all of measurements from grams/oz. I use this one and it is ok.

You're gonna mess up.


You'll probably also want some way to store / carry the rounds you've made.


I'd also recommend a case gauge. I don't remember which one I bought, lyman maybe? ABCs of reloading too, if you haven't read that yet.

No problem, it's this one.

I have never seen another person use that case! That's the first case I bought for my S7 in April of 2017. I bought some [grip tape]
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=CM_SW_R_CP_APA_NVG-ZBHHTRDVS) designed for gun grips and it made it much more secure feeling. The tape isn't "sticky" but it does provide it with grip. I cut a small strip to put down each side that it wasn't so slippery. It still slipped in and out of pockets just fine.

Nice EDC

edit: link formatting

You can still order them at that price through amazon you will just have to wait until they restock in order for them to ship.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00E221A88/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

No experience with this particular optic, but there is a thread on arfcom for a similar model from Field sport, which sells on Amazon for ~$20. I'm thinking that one is going to be my go-to range toy/.22/loaner scope.

FieldSport Micro Red Dot Sight, Precision Red Dot Only No Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_uly9ybQSZAVNG

Looks a lot like the the budget red dot that got a great review from 704 Tactical on YouTube. Not sure if it's the same one, but this it's worth a look. $22

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1492482570&sr=1-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Red+dot+sight&dpPl=1&dpID=51VUZSrFc4L&ref=plSrch

Holosun, Vortex, and Sig make fantastic budget red dots. Holosun is my personal favorite. Beware of cheaper red dots from NC Star, Sightmark, and TruGlo. They’re all Chinese garbage that will break after a few rounds with a rifle. They are only good for airsoft. You might think you’re saving money with a cheap red dot, but one it breaks you’ll have to spend another $100 for a good dot that actually works. DO NOT BUY THIS RED DOT. https://imgur.com/gallery/Jb7fl2Q it’s very popular in video games but it sucks IRL.

Here are some good budget red dots.

Vortex Optics Crossfire Red Dot Sight - 2 MOA Dot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079BY7QMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_isezDbA48RE95

Sig Sauer SOR52001 Romeo5 1x20mm Compact 2 Moa Red Dot Sight, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C95I8N4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_MsezDbJKTTFM4

Holosun HS403B Micro Red Dot Optic (2 MOA) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BJ3ZXD0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_1tezDbXX4DPPJ

There are several brands and models of hearing protection headphones. The most popular low-mid end model is the HL Impact. I don't know what model, specifically, was talked about in the thread you're mentioning though, the HL Impacts are just my personal recommendation if you're in the market and don't care about integrated comms.

Links!!

• The Manufacturer Website (Old Version)
  
  
• The Manufacturer Website (New Version Other Version that looks exactly identical but has different url)
  
  
• Amazon | Old Version | $43.70 Prime
  
  
• Cabela's | New Version | $59.99
  
  
• Midway USA | New Version | $56.99
  
  You're welcome. Oh and don't worry. No affiliate link on the amazon link.
  
  
  EDIT So looks like I was wrong. I don't know why there is two different pages for what looks to be the same thing (Thanks /u/JudgeWhoAllowsStuff and /u/tosss for pointing this out)

You're getting excellent "first gun" advice, but I'd like to offer a slightly different answer based on your specific question. In order, I'd say:

• A Smith & Wesson M&P Sport, the most basic entry-level good quality AR.
  
  
• A box of foam earplugs and a set of Howard Leights (you'll be doubling-up on hearing protection).
  
  
• A whole mess of 30-round Magpul P-Mags
  
  
• A bulk order of inexpensive .223 / 5.56mm ammo from an online store like SGAmmo.
  
  A .22 is a really good starter rifle because of light recoil and low ammo cost. But if you're concerned about politics and want to get a proper carbine squared away, an AR is actually also a really decent starter rifle. The recoil is very light, and with doubled-up ear protection the blast isn't bad; and the ammo is the cheapest you'll get in a non-.22 rifle. Get what you want, get some skin in the game before AWBs become a fight in your state, and you'll do fine. If you later decide it's more blast and money than you want to shoot regularly, 10/22s aren't going anywhere.

Congratulations!

• Personally I would recommend either a Remington 700 over the 783. There's nothing wrong with the 783, but the 700's fit, finish as well as the overall quality is just superior and I'm a firm believer in the "buy once, cry once" philosophy, especially with firearms. If you buy the 783, my bet is that as you get a little more serious about shooting, you'll end up buying a 700.
  
  
• With all that said, if you're not hell bent on buying a Remington, I personally would go with a Tikka T3 (there are many, many models). Overall it's about the same as a Remington 700 in terms of quality, but the bolt action is just silky smooth and the trigger pull is wonderful. I'm biased because I'm a bit of a Tikka fan, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
  
  
• In regards to the .308 calibre, again I'm a bit biased because my rifle is in .308 but regardless, I think .308 is the way to go. It's easily found, and comes in a variety of weight from (approximately) 120gr to 200gr so you have a choice of choosing a lighter bullet for smaller game or a heavier bullet for larger game.
  
  
• To pass the time while your PAL/RPAL is being processed, I strongly suggest buying high quality safety equipment You don't have to break the bank, but don't skimp. Apart from that I'd say buy a good soft case, and later down the road you can buy a hard case (my personal favourite is the Pelican 1750). Here's a little list....
  
  
• Ear protection: Howard Leight Impact Sport and Howard Leight earplugs (Personally I use both-- you only get one pair of ears!)
  
  
• Eye protection: Smith Aegis Arc (DS Tactical is a great company to deal with)
  
  
• Hard case: Pelican 1750 (Production Case is a nice Canadian company with prices way better than anywhere else and great customer service)
  
  
• Bipod: Harris Engineering (widely considered the best bang for your buck product-- I use the 9-13 inch because I'm a bit taller, but most people like the 6-9)
  
  
• Soft case: Cabela's drag bag-- great product at a great price.
  
  
  
• Torque wrench: VERY important in my opinion, as I see way too many people over-torquing their gear (i.e. scope mount screws) and messing things up. Wheeler Torque Wrench-- this is what I use. It's reasonably priced and I use it all the time when I'm working on my rifle. I know plenty of people say they're not necessary, but they'll save you from major headaches in the future.
  
  
• Bonus: When you buy your scope, DO THIS to level it. I've tried all kinds of methods, but this by far the best (assuming your rifle is levelled first). It's so simple, but so effective.
  
  
  Anyway, I hope this helps. I'll check back in a little bit (studying for finals right now) if I think of anything else.
  

Ammo: I buy Federal white box FMJs for pistols and shit-tier Tula steel-cased for my AR-15. If you don't want to debase your rifle with the steel shit, American Frontier makes some cheap brass-cased ammo.

Gun safe: Here's a primer. I'm getting a cheap locking cabinet from Gander over the weekend - I just want something to keep my kids outta my guns, and the old 'hide it in a locked box on a high shelf' thing doesn't make me comfortable.

Extra mags: Yes. Buy from the pistol's manufacturer, or for AR-15s, I like PMags.

Reloader tool: Looking for like a magazine loader? They're good to have. I've never had a problem manually loading mags tho.

Range bag: yes. Bigger is better.

Holster: Safariland makes best-in-class holsters for all occasions.

Safety gear: I double up my hearing protection (muffs AND plugs). I use these for muffs, and whatever is cheap for plugs. I use my eye glasses as eye pro.

Also - you will want a soft bag for your pistol/rifle for transport to and from the range.

I've taken these to a race before. They're my shooting headphones, but have found them to work great at the track.

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O

Automatically blocks noise above 82db, and allows you control how much ambient noise you can hear. Meaning, you can have a conversation with someone and still hear them just fine with the headphones on, but as soon as a noise greater than 82db occurs, they block it.

Also has an external audio jack to plug into.

I have the Howard Leight Earmuffs and I couldn't be happier. I haven't hunted with them and have only used them at the range. Very popular and high rep.

I'd suggest you get a set of Howard Leight Impact Sport earmuffs and if you shoot indoors double up with plugs.

Keep an eye out for these to go on sale:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I paid $35 for mine, but I see them for $40-$45 pretty often.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&th=1

Not mil spec, but the aux in models are now $45 at your door on Amazon

The general consensus seems to be that you can't beat Howard Leight Impact Sport earmuffs.

Bushnell TRS-25 Inexpensive, and works.

I run a Bushnell TRS-25 on my slab-side Competition and I'm happy enough with it. I mostly just plink steel with it and it's good enough for me.

Bushnell TRS-25. It's running a little high now but I've gotten them as low as $50.

So for reference, I have a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 and it's been a fine scope. I've also used someone else's Nikon P-223 scope and it was good too, so you probably wouldn't go far wrong with either of the ones you linked. But, adjustable parallax is something I probably wouldn't get a scope without anymore, especially for .22 where the range can vary from across the room distance to 100+ yards. The key words to look for in the scope specs are "adjustable parallax", "adjustable objective" (AO, when the parallax adjustment is done by twisting a ring around the objective lens at the front), or "side-focus" (when the parallax adjustment is on a turret on the side of the scope).

If you want to stick with Nikon, it looks like they're making an inexpensive adjustable parallax scope now. The tech specs on that site say it adjusts down to 50 yards, but the mark on the adjustment ring in the picture says 10, and Amazon also says 10 yards minimum, which is good for .22.

On the lower end of the budget, I also have a number of inexpensive Leapers/UTG/Centerpoint scopes (3-9x40, 3-9x35, 1.5-4x32, and a couple others) and have actually been really impressed with them for the money. Their main market seems to be air rifles, which many people take less seriously, but air rifle scopes have to be very rugged, and typically can adjust their parallax to much closer than scopes meant for rifles. And the prices are pretty damn good for the features. This UTG 3-9x32 has almost 2000 reviews and still 4.5 stars on Amazon, is very compact, comes with a sunshade, caps, and QD scope rings (I just got a set of UTG QD rings for another scope and they seem OK so far, .22 isn't very demanding), adjusts down to 3 yards, and is under $80. Amazing what they're doing in China these days. There are a number of similar models from other brands with various features and zoom ranges, probably all made in the same factory in China. I'm not sure if any of them are notably better quality than any others, I mostly stick with UTG for my cheap scopes because I have experience with them now.

One I saw just now is this Bushnell 2-7x32, and looks like it might be a good alternative.

On the higher end of the budget scale, Vortex has a 4-12x50 and a 4-12x40 that are adjustable. That's also more magnification though.

I think its this one UTG 3-9x32 Compact CQB Bug Buster.

I use a GunVault SV500 SpeedVault Handgun Safe. I have it bolted onto the side of my bed, using the screws that it came with; it works great! Definitely check it out. I got the one that accepts a key or pin code. They also had a fingerprint version but I was nervous about relying on an accurate fingerprint scan. It opens very quickly and I practice opening it every night before going to bed which also lets me check the battery.

Dear OP, since it seems you are honestly curious for discussion, I will provide a thorough and honest breakdown as to why Jim's presentation on gun control can be considered, at best, low-blow hyperbole and satire that is not constructive in the discussion of gun control in the USA.

0:00~1:30 - Jim states government mandates on guns have worked in Australia and acknowledges some general cultural differences in the US. Jim dismisses high profile shootings that have happened in Australia post mandate (granted it is not nearly as bad as what happens in the USA)

Pt.1, 1:30-5:00 - Jim states the only argument for having a gun is that one likes guns, that they increase risk of domestic tragedy, and are not a viable solution for home protection. In examining the possible (and very unique) benefits of having a gun, it's more than just simply "I like guns" (and I promise I will elaborate on that later). In regards to suicide, the USA is not a statistical leader; countries with stricter controls such as France, Japan and S.Korea have higher suicide rates. In regards to responsible storage, there are solutions that lock guns away from curious children while allowing quick access should they be required.

Pt.1, 5:00~6:45 - Jim mocks the suggestion that armed staff at schools could reduce the damage from school shooters, describing staff as lacking qualification or incentive. Some school districts have regular police officers to be security at schools, often carrying their duty weapons while fulfilling their regular duties.

Pt.1, 6:45~7:15 Jim reels it all back saying not everyone agrees with him, but this is just a stand-up routine, so don't get all wound up. Well, thanks Jim! It's not like gun control supporters are going to take you seriously and share this link on social media to make their case, compelling me to write a serious response to your admittedly not so serious comedy routine. But you do take this seriously, as the ratings for this video are disabled, and you delete any comments containing thoughtful and honest disagreement.

Pt.1, 7:15-7:45 Jim addresses those who disagree with him, saying they're upset because he has "good points." No you don't, you dishonest hyperbolic gaslighter. If good comedy is about making light about the hard truths of life, please do better with your facts next time.

Pt.2, 0:00~2:15 - Jim is right that the first amendment protects him as he criticizes other amendments, and that they are not sacred as they are amendments, after all. So, here's what it takes to change the constitution, specifically in regards to repealing the 2nd as other amendments have in the past. Easy!

Pt.2, 2:15~3:00 - Slavery strawman. Slavery is antithetical to the ideals of human rights and freedom. Firearms have unique qualities in promoting freedom (again, will get into that, I promise).

Pt.2, 3:00~4:00 - Jim says it's the negligent 1% that screws up what responsible people should be allowed to do. Generally, that is the case. Gun control in the USA, for the most part, has been expanding for the past 100 years, most of it failing due generally to a lack of enforcement.

Pt.2, 4:00~5:00 - Unfunny and unproductive sidestep into Descartes foundational philosophy; moving on.

Pt.2, 5:00~6:15 - Jim says guns are too easy to buy (and that they can be delivered, which is mostly false). Jim jokes at the idea of a black market, saying crazy people won't have as much access to them. This may be true, but like with the prohibition, this incentivizes organized crime. And with enough guns to arm every human in the USA, manufacturing capabilities such as machining and 3D printing, all of which has a better shelf life than moonshine, a black market is a very real possibility.
Muzzle loaded guns can be shipped through the mail

Pt.2, 6:15~7:50 Jim makes fun of the idea that a militia can resist a government force that is technologically superior. Funny enough, this is used as an argument for why either a) the power of the federal government be limited (legally and militaristically) or b) that militias should be allowed to own more than just rifles. Vietnam and Iraq prove that guerrilla militias can exhaust the US military. If the government does become tyrannical, they would need to break significant red tape to deploy the full capabilities of the US military on the homeland (see the Posse Comitatus Act, restricting such deployment). Militias would likely be lead by veterans to fight against what remains of the US military that can be deployed and has not defected over unconstitutional orders. A tyrannical government that would break through this red tape would effectively become delegitimized, fragmenting the US into civil war. As terrifying as this sounds, the 2nd Amendment helps ensure that an emerging dictatorship cannot easily exploit the resources and people of the union. The better armed a populous, the more expensive and exhausting it will be to keep them under the boot.

And before I go, I'd like to cash in on some identity politics because it often seems to be all the rage with those who support gun control. I'm a 2nd Gen immigrant to the USA, and my parents were refugees escaping a tyrannical regime. Their generation had to take up arms to buy time to escape. Those who were not so lucky were imprisoned, forced into labor and worked to death, buried in mass graves. I find it tragically ironic that gun control advocates are quite often the same people who would call Trump the 2nd Hitler, because if that is the case, then get ready to be the 2nd Warsaw Ghetto uprising. I understand there's a preference to more peaceful measures in making a more perfect union, and we should keep it that way. But if limited only to free expression and protest, change might not happen at all. Just ask the thousands of students who participated in the 1989 Tienanmen square protests. Oh wait, you can't.

If you made it this far, thanks for taking the time. If not, hey, I'll save this the next time someone shares this unproductive rambling from Jim as if it carried sound wisdom. **edit: formatting

Something like this?. It's easily hidden, It has a cable that can be used to keep the safe from being stolen, and it's quickly opened.

Edit: Also consider sticking these on your windows. They're cheaper than a full security system and will give you needed time if you are asleep and something is opened.

You can get a lee bench kit for like $120-140ish and it has just about everything you need to get started. Seen em on midway for $130. Amazon has one for $90 so if you have prime free 2 day shipping i think they even do free prime for college students too https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Anniversary-Challenger-Kit/dp/B00162RM3E

For the money, it's hard to beat Howard Leight. I have several sets of earpro, including Peltors, several loaner pairs of Caldwells, my gf has Walker's that she likes a lot, but the Howard Leights are cheap enough and quality enough that I both trust them and didn't mind buying a pair to forever live with my HD gun.

I think this one falls under common sense and they at least had something for you to use. Crap if i went into my range bag I would see 5 pairs of Howard Leight Impact Sports. Along with a 10 pack of throw away plugs and my own three tier silicon plugs that i use when shooting rifles along with my howard leights.

This is what you want, OP.

Probably the most common and highly reviewed ear protection available today, at an affordable price point.

What? You have to explain more than "Dummy low profile headphones to use for ear protection".

Just get some Howard Leight Impact Sports, they are only $40. These are electronic so they deafen things like gunshots and Thunder B's and amplify talking and footsteps.

NRR of 22 is very low, IMHO.

For slightly more, here are NRR 30's:
Howard Leight R-01902 Impact Pro Electronic Shooting Earmuffs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007BGSI5U/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_tVLJub19BQAXD

My go to is the Peltor Ultimate 10 - a $16 NRR 30 non-electronic muff. On the electronic side, I've been using Pro Ears with an NRR of 30 but I think I'm going to pick up the HL's above.

Maybe it is just my experience, but with 22's I have had to wear foams underneath.
Foams are cheap and easy to find at >NRR 30, so that is what I set as my baseline for muffs. I won't sacrifice my long term hearing (or what's left of it, what?) for convenience. I love Peltor, I just wish they would step up to 30 on the electronic side.

Bushnell TRS25

At first, I didn't think I would get more than two rifles, so I opted for the Plano foam-padded case. I bought two so I could lock up both rifles (from the kiddos, not thieves), and not take up a ton of room in my house. They're very good cases, and I would recommend them for traveling (either road trips or flying). If you get one of these, don't trust the built in locks, and buy some decent (long bolt) padlocks. Negative: They're not great for taking to the range. They're bulky, and awkward if you need to set them out of the way while you're shooting.

Of course, I bought a third rifle on an impulse, and it came with something like this for free. I actually ended up using this more than the hard cases for range trips since it's much more compact/maneuverable, and just carries the essentials (a few magazines and a good-sized pouch for tactical Skittles). For a one-rifle person, this is probably the best value, and more practical for most people's needs.

That said, few of us actually stay one-rifle gun owners for long. I just punted and bought a $100 metal gun cabinet from Walmart to control access. The nice Plano cases are now just used for traveling rather than storage.

My favorite, though, is a double carbine bag. Even if you only have one rifle (now), it's a great bag with plenty of extra storage. It will fit two sets of eye and ear protection and a lot of pre-loaded magazines along with two rifles. I didn't think I'd ever use the backpack straps until a few weeks ago when we decided to find a place to shoot in the National Forest that required a little hiking off the road. The bag really saved the day, and made the whole experience a lot more comfortable while packing about 40 pounds of rifles + ammo.

Just my $0.02.

This is the OEM model that only comes with the high mount. It does not come with the low mount or the slick box. You can get that one on Amazon for a couple bucks more.

If you prefer black Amazon has the Sig Sauer Romeo 5 for $99.99. Pick Amazon.com as the seller (shows as temporarily out of stock but you can order it). If you are eligible for the Amex points offer you can save 20% and get it for $80.

Also: "Includes a M1913 Picatinny low mount riser and a co-witness 1.41in riser mount "

Reposted as the Amazon offer was flagged as an affiliate link. You can find it with a little search engine work, though.

EDIT: Okay, not 15 minutes after I posted it Amazon jumped the price to $125. $100 after the points discount, so not quite as exciting. All I can say is keep an eye on it if you are interested. I've seen it fluctuate a few times before I posted.

the impact sports are only NRR22. for just a bit more you can get the impact pro which are NRR30, a massive improvement.

My hands are 18.3cm. I use a claw grip gaming and a fingertip/claw grip in Windows. I use the Mionix Castor on SteelSeries 9HD and really like it. I've tried a lot of mice. I don't own a Deathadder, so I don't know what kind of latency the left and right clicks have. The Mionix Castor has a couple extra ms in left/right click latency. I got used to it and don't really have an issue with it, but other people don't like it. If you think this is going to be an issue, I recommend checking out the Zowie EC2-A. I haven't tried this mouse, but I know the dimensions and shape are just about perfect for our hand size and claw grip usage. It doesn't have that rubber side grip like the deathadder or Castor, but you can use this grip tape on the sides. I put this tape on the Roccat Kone Pure, SteelSeries Sensei, and G303 when I was testing them. It works perfectly.

hiya! I got the gun tape from amazon US. It took like 4-5 days to get to me in Northern Ireland. I ordered it here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ATH0KEA/

I'm not sure how it got here so fast :P

The Bushnell TRS-25 is a good choice if you're on a budget. At only $52, it holds up great. I currently have one on my Ruger.

Bushnell TRS-25 - Amazon

Sorry to break it to you, but there is a lot more competition in the sup $200 micro red dot market.

• TRS-25
  
  
• Hi Lux
  
• Holosun
  
• Primary Arms - Advances
  
• Primary Arms
  
• Vortex SPARC II
  
  They are all more or less excellent. I prefer the Vortex because it has an unbeatable warranty.
  
  

Staying under $100, consider this.

Amazon has the Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 for 52.99 +tax w/ prime shipping.

Bushnell TRS-25 currently 69.99 on Amazon - Currently the best deal going IMHO

And ditch the OEM scale that comes with the kit, go for this or this. A digital scale makes weighing your charges much easier and quicker.

Notice how they're exactly the same thing as the Hornady or Frankford Arsenal, except for fall less $$. Everything nowadays comes out of the same factories in the East, and resellers just slap their label on and charge whatever they think their targets are willing to pay. '

I personally got that Smart Weigh and it works great.

Rifle stuff:

• Get a bundle of regular chamber flags, like [these]. There's no reason to spend that much on a chamber flag.
  
• I'm a big fan of Holosun Red Dots, especially the motion activated circle dot (EoTech style reticle) models like the HS503GU. The smaller dot definitely helps with longer range-small target shots.
  
• If you're going to stick with the TRS-25 (I've competed with one myself), go for the tall riser rather than the medium. Many competitors are moving to 2.04" optic mounts for a more upright head position, the one you linked works out to be 1.54". [Link]
  
• The fancy charging handle is somewhere between nice-to-have and pointless. It all depends on whether your local clubs stage guns hot/cold, and whether you have to drop the mag and clear the chamber before dumping the gun. The 4 clubs I shoot at all have different rules for this.
  
• I would skip the MS4 sling and the QD end plate. Single point is good in very specific circumstances, which don't exist in 3gun. Save the cash, and get an MS1. Note that you will rarely need or use a sling in 3gun. 2gun/combat type matches generally require one however.
  
• Don't buy a BAD lever. Consider the PDQ bolt catch, or another option if you need to manipulate the bolt catch from the right side of the rifle. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4cwMNIogZ4
  
• If you don't already have a bore snake and a cleaning rod, I would pick up both. Bore snake for simple bore maintenance, and cleaning rod to pound out a squib. If you shoot enough, you will eventually get a squib.
  
• You will want to buy a handful of mags. Stick with PMAGs, there's no real reason to get anything else.
  
  Pistol stuff:
  
  
• That holster may not work well with that belt. I would get an ALS version with mid or low ride mount. Or get a purpose made friction only holster. I use a 6930ALS mid ride-light bearing with a G19.
  
• I have the same pistol mag caddys. No complaints from me, but if you really want to be competitive from the start, you may want something that allows adjustment for better indexing. Someone else will be able to recommend them for you.
  
  Shotgun:
  
  
• Opening up the loading port will help, without a doubt.
  
• That shell caddy is really nice. I personally use Taccom caddies due to their price.
  
• Skip the fancy chamber flag
  
• Might be worth looking into Taccom's match saver [link]. No opinion one way or another. Note that match saver's tend to be consumable items, as dumping the shotgun after using the match saver will sometimes break it.
  
  Transport Equipment:
  
  
• You will get really annoyed carrying around your gear, ammo, snacks, and water. There's a reason that carts and wagons are so prevalent. I personally use a $40 collapsible wagon from Walmart, because I can't fit anything bigger in my car.

So after about a year into this great hobby I've accumulated pieces of gear into what it is today. Not exactly everything I want yet, and for sure I'm going to be replacing around 30% of things in a few months (hopefully!). Still pretty noobish in terms of skill but I'm working on it! Onto the kit list!

Guns:

• ICS CXP-08 Sportline (currently stock at the moment) with an ICS 3 point sling, replica EOTech 518 sight, generic vertical grip, PEQ Battery box (came with the gun) with a 7.4 lipo, and a replica Surefire M600c flashlight and pressure switch. Magazines used were Ares Amoeba 140 round midcap magazines.
  
• TM USP Compact (Running stock off of green gas)
  
• Not pictured as a backup gun in the staging area was an ASG spring tri-shot shotgun
  
  Gear:
  
  
• Condor MCR7 Ronin Chest Rig
  
• OneTigris Double M4 pouch
  
• OneTigris M4/Pistol pouch
  
• Unknown brand triple magazine pouch
  
• Condor HHR pouch
  
• Baofeng UV-5R radio
  
• Retevis PTT Speaker Mic
  
• Howard Leight Impact Sport headset
  
• ESS Crossbow Supressor glasses with gasket kit
  
• OneTigris half face mesh mask
  
• UTG Heavy Duty Web Belt
  
• Condor 3-fold Magazine Recovery Pouch
  
• Clone of a Blackhawk hardshell USP Compact holster
  
• Arc'teryx Knee Caps
  
  Clothing:
  
  
• CADPAT from Royal Military Surplus
  
• 5.11 Adjusting Uniform hat
  
• Mechanix M-Pact gloves in Wolf Grey
  
• Some cheap waterproof hiking boots I picked up from Costco last year
  
• Personalized Division patch from patchpanel.ca

What's your budget?

You can ever go wrong with ammo. A package of some good defense ammo like Federal HST or Speer Gold Dots makes a good stocking stuffer.

Since he'll need to go to the range for practice (I sure hope so), get a good pair of ear protection like the Howard Leights.


A cheap range bag to carry ammo, gun, and ear/eye protection is a good gift too. Walmart has them for cheap.


Upgrades like night sights from Trijicon would be good on a carry gun. A good holsters and a proper gun belt are essentials as well.

+1 on the earplugs and earmuffs combined. I learned this the hard way when I tried shooting indoors wearing only Howard Leight earmuffs. I lasted about two minutes before going back outside and adding earplugs. Never made that mistake again.

Rifle vs. Handgun?

Rifle indoors, you should almost always double up. Plugs and muff.

Either way, I highly recommend electronic muffs. These seem to be the most popular, and I can highly recommend them: http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/

Just make sure you throw a backup pair of AAA's in your range bag.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7QJ9O/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473872045&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=ear+protection these are what I use for both airsoft and real steel, enjoy them heavily

If you have access to electronic ear muffs as well, those are AMAZING for first timers. (and, i mean, awesome in general, I find).

Whats nice is that they can still hear you relatively fine, but the shots are muffled.

I got a pair of these and it really, really reduces the "What did you say??" usually accompanied by starting to turn around while holding a loaded firearm.

Highly recommended.

Pictured

On the left is my first long gun, a Ruger American Rimfire model 8301. It has a Simmons 3-9x32 scope on an Evolution Scope Base. It currently has no other mods. I've considered dropping in the Timoney trigger, but I feel like this firearm is AOK in the current configuration. This was the second time I have fired the RAR with the scope on it. The first time was about a week ago where I shot it off of bags to get it zeroed in. Today, I shot standing/unsupported. That was a challenge. I loaded 5 rounds at a time. I learned that doing an upper body workout a few hours before going to the range can make a light firearm feel really heavy. I think I'm going to try using the higher comb cheek riser to see if I can get a more consistent cheek weld without having to contort my neck so much. My focus this range visit was shooting with both eyes open, and getting as consistent groups as I could. I fired 50 rounds of CCI Blazer. Now it makes sense to me why people shoot prone, use a monopod, or a bipod. Shooting off hand made me realize how much I move when firing. It was a great training experience that will carry over to how I shoot my other firearms.


On the right is my most recent long gun (I picked it up yesterday), a bone stock Ruger PC Carbine model 19101 (non-treaded barrel with 10 round magazine version). This was my first range visit with the PC Carbine. I was extremely excited to get some range time with this one. Prior to this, I had only fired: .22LR, 12 gauge, and .223 from long guns. The .223 was when I took a rifle course at Sig Sauer Academy (loaner MCX).

First Impressions of the PC Carbine

To me, it had all the fun of shooting a 10/22 with a bigger boom.

I was skeptical about trying to use ghost ring sights. I have horrible eye sight, and could not get a sight picture with Tech Sights on a 10/22 to save my life. However, these were really easy to use. I'm going to wait a while before trying it with a red dot sight.

Recoil was fine. It is a 9mm, so it was not bad by any stretch.

Trigger feels pretty good to me as far as break and pressure. If an aftermarket company releases a metal trigger (the actual trigger component), I'd strongly consider adding that.

The only thing that felt a bit odd was the magazine release. I'm going to add the Taccom one.

The surprising thing to me was that it would fit in a cheapie bag that I picked up for my shotgun. So, I'm not planning on picking up a specific bag for this firearm anytime soon.

I'm on the fence about magazines for this thing. Pmags for Glocks are pretty cost efficient compared to the cost of the Ruger SR9 mags. So, I have some research to do.

Eventually, I'll throw a picture of my three Rugers up on here.

Not pictured is my Ruger 10/22 Sporter model 1102. I have made some tweaks to it. So far, it has the Ruger BX Trigger, Volquartsen auto-bolt release, extractor, and then I just got in the Surestrike firing pin and bolt handle. It has the same scope that I put on the American Rimfire but on a Monstrum rail. I still need to zero in the scope for this one.

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I have a 10/22 paired with this cheap Simmons scope. I am very happy with the setup. It's clearly not a top of the line scope but after dialing it in it holds well and has served its purpose pretty well for me. Should be good enough for the kids.

This is my STUPID CHEAP case I got on amazon: linky

It has pluck foam in between egg crate foam. I am using it to transport 35 points and basic equipment (glue, measuring tape, extra bases, file, cards) now and it still has room for more.

I saw some reviews saying it didn't come with pluck foam anymore so I was initially nervous but figured at $12 I could provide my own if it was necessary (it wasn't). Ordered it about a month ago and could not be happier with the purchase.

edit: Here's a picture of what's currently in it to give you an idea of the size: http://imgur.com/a/iaMIA

no such thing as a standard glove compartment, but yes there are small vaults What are the dimensions of your glove compartment, you could probably MacGyver something up

These

Yup. A pair like these does the job really well.

If you can time it right and catch the 795 on sale, you can save a decent bit of money. I hadn't seen them on sale, so I bought my fiancee a 795 and spent about $175 on it. I recently got the tech sights for both her rifle and mine. For an appleseed event, you'll want two ten round magazines. Since they are hard to find in a brick and mortar location and I was going to be paying shipping anyway, I ordered two 10 rounders in addition to the one the rifle came with.

Costs as follows:
Rifle: $175
Tech Sights $ 69
2x Mags $ 28
GI Sling $ 10
Swivels $ 12

Total $294

That total does not include shipping charges, nor does it include any further equipment costs such as:

• Eye protection (I splurged and got my lady the Smith Ageis Arc because I like her eyes and it looks like they rated very well for the price in The Lucky Gunner Eye Pro Breakdown. Fortunately, I have some older glasses that offer sufficient protection but I will be buying myself some newer eye protection before we do our appleseed event at the end of the month.),
  
• Ear protection (you'll want to double up and get plugs of some sort and muffs, especially if you're shooting at an indoor range at times. I got us the Howard Leight Impact Sport electronic muffs which are pretty highly recommended) or,
  
• Ammo (if you can find 22lr at a reasonable price)
  
  You can go less expensive on the ear an eye protection. The first few times I took my lady shooting, we had good ear plugs and less expensive eye protection (at an outdoor range) and I saved up for a while to get the better stuff.
  
  I feel like it was worth it to get the extra stuff and rifle so that we can attend the appleseed event together. Much of the value in it, I think, comes from all the range time you get. If One of us were to go without the other then try to teach the other, it would probably take significantly longer to teach the second person unless you later dedicated an entire weekend to shooting. I think it's better to knock it out in on weekend, rather than spread out over weeks or months. You two can develop together as shooters.
  
  As I've been educating my fiancee and guiding her into being comfortable with guns, this is something I've given a good bit of thought to, and something I had and have been saving for for a few months. Buying shooting gear can be a large-ish initial outlay, but the headphones, eye protection, and firearms acquired are something that will serve us well for many years to come, so that is something to bear in mind as you weight the options, buy initial gear, and possibly later acquire replacement gear of higher quality.
  
  

Headphones aren't ear pro.

But the pretty-much-standard Howard Leight muffs that everyone wears to the range have a headphone jack for a reason.

I see no problem with headphones, so long as you can still hear RSO's and other shooters well enough. Personally, I've shot lots with just one earphone in under my muffs and had no issues. No more of a distraction than the guy next to you shooting at random times.

Peltors/Liberators are absolutely top notch if you can snag an issued pair, but they are prohibitively expensive if you're to buy your own. Unless you need to interface with a radio just get a pair of Howard Leights off amazon (you can still use with a hand mic though), they are about $50 and fit under an ACH just fine. https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/


Otherwise just run some cheapo foam earplugs, buy a 40 pack or whatever and change them out as needed.

Welcome to one of the most expensive hobbies you'll ever get into. It's addictive. I recommend selling blood and semen. Mixed. Doesn't have to be your own. I'll answer your questions numerically.

1. When you go to pick up the gun you'll have to do a few things. Show ID to prove it belongs to you as well as fill out the 4473. The 4473 is the paperwork required for the NICS background check. It's easy to fill out and if you have ANY doubts or questions while filling it out, ASK QUESTIONS. Most gun stores would rather you ask questions than screw up the paperwork and have to use another copy. Hell, tell them it's your first time. Most places will help you.
   
   
2. The gun, if it's brand new (and sometimes used), will come in a box. You don't need a case for it. Depending on your state, they might require you to bring a lock, but more than likely, it'll come with one. Some states do not allow the factory lock because they're garbage and the state law is dumb. For most long guns though, you typically won't need it to take it home.
   
   
3. You can absolutely find low recoil slugs. There are other options, but that's just an example. Fiocchi does make good ammo.
   
   
4. If you're going to an indoor range, I HIGHLY recommend you double up on hearing protection. That means foam plugs properly seated into your ear canal AND over ear muffs. It's good to invest in a good set of electronic ones like these. They allow you to hear but when there's an audible noise above a threshold, they will muffle it. When putting in your foam plugs, make sure you roll them in your fingers then push them INTO your ear canal. Too many people just push them into their ear while they're puffed up and that does not create the seal required to protect your hearing.
   
   E. If you go to the range, do not be afraid to ask a range safety officer for tips or to help you. MOST RSO's are knowledgeable. Most.
   
   
5. You also want eye protection. Regular reading or sun glasses DO NOT COUNT. You want glasses rated for impact. If indoor, you don't want darkened lenses. I suggest regular ol' clear lenses. Affordable option.
   
   
6. ALWAYS obey the 4 rules of gun safety.

Best 10/22 scope you will ever buy $ for $ is https://www.amazon.com/Simmons-511039-Matte-Black-Riflescope/dp/B000KOSB34

3-9 magnification, decent glass, holds up well.

This is what I use for my nightstand pistol Amazon - GunVault

Works great, can open it in the dark and no finicky fingerprint scanner (Though they have one with that option). Goes great in a drawer.

This would work good under the bed or on a closet shelf.

As far as what to use for a rifle... something like This under the bed or behind the headboard maybe?

Is he a Vietnam veteran by chance? I knew an older guy who did something very similar to this, had undiagnosed PTSD from Vietnam and was convinved that one day charlie would be back to finish the job, hence a bolt action in the attic. Anyways, something like this is good for night stand or drawer use because it's quick and small enough to conceal such a place. Obviously someone could just walk away with the safe so you'd have to bolt/screw it to the stand to keep it secured.

these

• Glock 19 - $550 (depends on location and taxes)
  
• 1k rounds 9mm - $250 (usually cheaper to buy in bulk)
  
• Range stuff - $100 (Eyes, Ears, Boresnake, maybe a mag or two, and a range bag
  
  If you're thinking about extras / carry, budget $100+ for some good night sights, then another $150 or so for a decent gun belt and holster if you want to carry.
  

Seriously, these things are the bees knees: Howard Leight Impact Sport. They are 50 bucks and worth every penny!

Your number one priority should be to buy a GOOD pair of glasses (ANSI or ballistic Vo rated) and a GOOD pair of earmuff/plugs.

I'd look for Elvex Avion or Go-Specs II and Howard Leight Impact Sport earmuffs for something good and inexpensive.

Howard Leight Impact Sports work great for me. You can actually amplify sound louder than usual, and still get great hearing protection.

If by ear protection you mean "No BBs in my ear canal, plz," then get one of the larger lower mesh masks that also cover your ears.

If by ear protection you mean "ThunderBs are fucking loud," or "I want to shoot real guns too," then get these Howard Leight earmuffs.

I have these for civilians shooting. http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Impact-Electric-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O


I brought them once to an m 16 qualification range and found it hard to get a good sight picture with these in the prone and prone supported. They did fit under my ACH, I just had to loosen then chin strap.

I realize this is not the sight you are looking for but the Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 is awesome for a great price. I have shot a lot with this along with my Eotech. you will need a riser along with this sight.

Needed an AR to get into 3 gun. Built one. Most people these days say at the entry-level AR price point to just buy a Ruger AR-556 or a Smith & Wesson MP-15 Sport. And I honestly don't see why when build kits are so cheap. For around ~$500 you can get one of the aformentioned guns. With a factory warrenty and support. But with a A post front sight, milspec furniture, and mil-spec trigger. Basically a plain jane AR in every way.

Or you can put together something with MOE furniture, a 13.5 Mlok rail, a cheap red dot, back up ironsights, a stainless steel barrel, and a upgraded trigger.

PSA upper so far has functioned flawlessly in the first 100rds it took me to function test and zero the sights and red dot. Fit and finish on the upper is just fine. And it seems to be just as accurate or not more for an AR in this price range. The EPT trigger included with the kit is pretty nice. Its probably a little under the weight of a milspec trigger. But it has nearly no travel, and a very clean and crisp break, with a short reset.

Bushnell TRS- 25 is a nice little budget red dot. They were a nice budget optic when I first put one on my Amazon wishlist 4 years ago. They were going for $80-100 back then. Now that they seem to be going for $35-45 dollars regularly it feels like stealing.

BCM Foregrip is really cool. I like the stubby compact grip, functions as both a handstop and a traditional VFG.

The whole build weighs in at 6lbs 12.9 oz unloaded.

Personally, I think this is a much better value than buying a cheap off the shelf AR.

A few notes. Prices are subject to change. I happened to snatch up the red dot at its lowest price available, but they often show up for around $40 or so.

Second I also built this of an 80% reciever because boogaloo. This obviously doesn't include the price of tools and the jig. But I could have just as easily used a $40 Anderson lower. Minus FFL fees because those vary.

Thirdly, this is representivative of what the average joe can build today. I hate seeing "budget builds" that start with people saying they used a once in a life time coupon and just happened to have half the build laying around in their garage. This isn't a gun thing either, every hobby has people like this. Also everyone seems to always have a "buddy" that is capable of doing some normally really expensive or complicated task for basically free. Not everyone went to kindergarden with some guy who just happens to be able to resurface the face of a engine block on their own dime Jim!. /rant.

Fourthly, I painted the reciever with truck bed liner. Don't do this. It goes on super thick, takes forever to dry as evidence from my smudge marks, and fucks up all the tolerances in the gun. But it does fit the spirit of the build. And the battle worn look is kind of cool, if it only fit the rest of the rifle.





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|PSA Mlok Rifle Kit|$399.99|Palmetto State Armory|
|Raw Cerro Forge Lower Reciever|$37.95|Right to Bear|
|Magpul Pmag w/ coupon code|$7.99|Palmetto State Armory|

Base Rifle Price : $445.93

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|Bushnell TRS-25|$36.99|Amazon
|Leapers MT-RSX8S UTG .83 mount|$10.51|Amazon
|Mlok BCM Gunfighter VFG|$18.95|Bravo Company USA

Total : $512.38

The TRS-25 is about as cheap as I'd go for something I'm going to stick on a 'real' caliber. If you're just going to use it on a .22 rifle, there's plenty of stuff on Amazon (NCStar, FireField, etc.) that'll likely work fine.

Maybe I've been lucky, as the three different rebate submissions (red dot, rifle scope, binoculars) I sent in last year all came through. You should be able to get a TRS-25 red dot for $2 after this rebate although some have claimed the Vista web page wouldn't accept the UPC. It worked for me last year.

This is the best price it's ever been on Amazon according to camelcamelcamel

That would be a great gift. You should get a scale that is specifically aimed at reloaders - that is, one that is set up to weigh in grains. It only needs to be precise to 0.1 grains. Anything "lab grade" is overkill for reloading.

You can choose to go with a balance beam scale like these:

RCBS

Hornady

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There are also digital scales that are cheaper and easier to use, but less durable and lack the character of a balance beam scale:

Frankford Arsenal

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I've taken my kids to monster trucks twice now. Hearing protection isn't a luxury at one of those, it's a must. They easily reach 110dB. I've worked around loud noises most of my life, from live PA, to ships engine rooms, to automotive, and a fair few days at race tracks. I have a fair amount of personal experience with hearing loss, please wear hearing protection when you go to those shows. They will cause measureable loss if you don't.

If you get decent hearing protection you can still carry on a conversation with them in and they won't make you sweat or uncomfortable.

These are cheap, comfortable, reusable, and decent sound quality for the money. Conversation level sounds a little muddy compared to a $250 set of custom made plugs with concert filters, but that's a very high bar.

I love the Surefire brand in the ear plugs. The ones with the triple flange ear piece. I wear them under Peltor brand electronic earmuffs and my wife and I can still talk while at the range. I’ve also owned Howard Leights and they are good to go too as long as you don’t leave them out in the rain haha.


https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-Defenders-filtered-Earplugs-reusable/dp/B004DH65RI/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=surefire+ear+plugs&qid=1574204691&sr=8-4

Higher up in the thread I was suggested these. My debit card doesn't work with Amazon so for online purchases I generally withdraw from my bank account physical, give the cash to my parents or someone and order away. If they come home in time I can get this shipped to me on the 31th, so a few days before Saturday!

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but my main pistol is loaded and locked in one of these on my nightstand. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_XjJHAbN36J0ES
Takes about 3 seconds to open...

It's called a gun safe. It's always the people that don't own guns safely and lawfully that try to argue for more gun control. You shouldn't have an unsecured weapon sitting around at any time in a school or workplace.

https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA

You can get quick release safes and keep your pistol loaded in them. You press a few large lighted buttons OR bio recognition from your fingers and the safe opens up. The bio-release stuff isn't there yet though... if the batteries run low many will open for anyone.

They're a little expensive, but then, guns are as well; https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_1/142-9316893-3812044?ie=UTF8&qid=1518746356&sr=8-1&keywords=speed+vault

Maybe there's something similar for shotguns?

Problem is, with dedication and plenty of time kids can break into them. Key is slower, but might be safer with kids.

Then again, anything can be broken into given enough time.

I have teen kids so all of mine must be locked up at night. I keep my nightstand gun in a Gun Vault SV-500 mounted to the back of my nightstand low enough to be out of sight when passing through our room. There is enough room inside to keep an extra mag or keep the flashlight mounted on the gun. It does make a bit of a clunk/thump noise when opening though.

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I have the Impact Pro (https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01902/dp/B007BGSI5U) and it's very good in terms of NRR (30 dB NRR, good for use in an indoor range). The electronic mic/speakers are useful for talking with other people. I haven't tried the aux cord input on them, though, so if you plan on playing music through them I don't have any experience with that.

The biggest negative of the Impact Pro is the size. They are very large. I also find them pretty uncomfortable with glasses after about 30-45 min, but that's all headphones for me. The Razors are going to be a lot slimmer but with less NRR, of course.

EDIT: Kind of a bad comparison between the Razor and Impact Pro. The Impact Sport would be a better comparison (https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Honeywell-Amplification-Electronic/dp/B01G8POKMY)

It's an extra $12... http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-R-01902-Amplification-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B007BGSI5U/

Howard Leight - Pro series

I haven't run it for extended periods on high yet, but playing around with it, it's gotten pretty hot and no issues yet. It's made for guns so I imagine they took that into account.. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ATH0KEA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Currently $212 Shipped on Amazon. Mount is probably worthless. Even the higher quality Chinese stuff laser etch their logo on the side. If its just a block of mystery metal, it's a bad sign.

Posting photos of everything will help, but I think you need to lower your price.

Eh for that price I’ll get a Plano case off amazon for $75 Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch (Previous Generation) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_8TKmDb4ZK29EY

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch

https://www.amazon.com/Plano-Weather-Tactical-Case-42-Inch/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=sr_1_6?s=hunting-fishing&ie=UTF8&qid=1521514414&sr=1-6&keywords=Rifle+case

>>On Amazon for $69.20 if you have Prime.

• tax for those unlucky states like mine
  
  I'm $64 all in at midway but I can local pick up

I think this would be a better comparison with the Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch

I would be curious to try these, as it seems like they normalize sounds to a standard volume (amplify low noises, dampen loud stuff) rather than just blocking the high range.


If that's NOT what they do, and they're just squashing loud noises, then that tech has been around for quite some time and this is just some refinement to it or something.


https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/

Howard Leight Impact Sport

Not necessarily recommended for indoor use though.

> But what else should I get her? Ammo, sure. How much ammo is enough to practice for a bit? I really have no idea.

For ammo you'll want two varieties: defensive ammo and training ammo. Quality defensive ammo usually comes in a 25-round box, priced around $15-$20. You'll probably want 2 boxes of this, one to practice with and another to keep loaded in the actual/ready magazine for defensive use. There's about a dozen excellent brands on the market, I like Critical Defense by Hornady, but all contemporary 9mm defensive ammo is pretty good.

For training ammo you can buy it online. Just look at gunbot.net and sort by price. There's 3 general types and they'll all work fine: steel case, reloaded/remanufactured, and bulk. You just gotta keep an eye out on the internet regularly and find whatever deal looks good - be aware of hidden fees in shipping rates. Generally ordering ammo online is cheaper than the store, but check with your local gun store as they might sell cheap stuff. There's some puritans out there who claim issues with different types of training ammo, especially steel case - this is because they're confused and think that modern steel case 9mm is corrosive like old WW2 bulk steel case ammo was corrosive. TulAmmo and BrownBear and Wolf should all run mostly fine in your wife's Glock.

Quantity is going to vary - but you certainly can't have too much. At least 200 rounds for the first outing is good. Have her start with the cheap ammo, then before the day is over switch to the defensive loads and fire a magazine or two - this is mostly to ensure if functions in her pistol, there's not a huge difference in how it handles.

If she goes to a class the instructor will recommend or sell the ammo.

> Does it require a case or anything? A cleaning kit?

Generally a "case" for a pistol is the holster. Your gun store will sell some cheap types of holsters, and just start her with a really cheap one. When she moves to concealed carry she'll probably upgrade to one that fits her preferences of how she wants to carry and where to carry.

For cleaning you'll just need a bore brush for cleaning the barrel and a general cleaner/lubricant. Your gun store will sell some, I'd recommend Break Free CLP; it's an all-in-one spray. You actually don't really need to clean Glocks until after ~500 rounds, that's when you'll have malfunctions due to a dirty gun.

> What else is absolutely essential to buy with this gun?

Hearing protection. These Howard Leight ear muffs are extremely popular - they'll work fine for training purposes - they also amplify quiet sounds, so if there is a thump in the night you can throw these on and hear someone breathing in the next room. I've never seen someone disappointed in these ear muffs. If she's spending a long day at the range she'll also want inner-ear plugs as well.

I got these recently; they work very well. I'm impressed by the quality for the price.

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375106743&sr=8-1&keywords=electronic+ear+protection

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sxl1?qid=1462551388&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65

You might see if you could be allowed to use some of the ear protection that shooting sports and/or construction folks use. There are many that use electronic or passive designs that allow you to still hear while reducing noise that is at damaging levels. I use the over the ear type with electronic mics when I'm shooting at the gun club. I can still hear the range officer, but when a firearm goes off the noise is instantly blocked.

Cabelas
Amazon - all types, some won't be appropriate
Have never tried these, but seem like they would be fairly unobtrusive

Definitely do able sub $1k, but don't cheap out either. Buy stuff you'll actually wear. Bulky gear you leave at home does you no good in a slide. Here's an example of a potential rundown of gear (some I own, some I don't. This isn't an endorsement, unless stated. It's just giving you an idea). All new prices, so with sales and checking deals at your local shops it could be less. Some stuff like helmets I say ALWAYS buy new. Other things like jackets are okay lightly used (and I do mean lightly, don't buy someone's gear they've worn for the last 20 years. Sun and age can make it less protective).

Helmets

• HJC CL-17 - $125 Link
  
  
• Bell Qualifier - $110 Link
  
  
• Icon Alliance - $150 Link
  
  Make sure you go into a store and try it on. Wear it for a few minutes. Here's a good guide on fit for helmets. DOT rated at a minimum. SNELL suggested. Some people say the SNELL rating is overkill and causes the helmet to be too rigid being worse in a crash. I've never given it a second thought. I own the HJC helmet. One thing I will say with pretty much any budget helmet is it will be louder. In town I don't think that's a problem but on the highway, especially for longer rides you'll want to get ear plugs. I suggest these. They're cheap enough, comfortable, and come with a nice carrying case.
  
  Jackets
  
  Regardless what you buy, again go into the store and try them on. They should fit snugly. In the $150-250 range should get you a good jacket with shoulder and elbow armor. Back armor is sometimes sold separately. When it is, D30 is my go to. I bought the Klim CE level 2 - $50 armor but there is also the Icon CE level 1 - $25 version. How expensive the jacket is isn't the determining factor for if it includes a back protector either. And one's that don't usually include a foam filler. Don't let that fool you, it's not meant to protect you in a slide.
  
  
• Icon Overlord - $150 Link Back protector included
  
  
• REV'IT! Eclipse - $180 Link Back protector extra
  
  
• Firstgear Mesh Tex - $180 Link Back protector extra
  
  Pants
  
  A lot of this will depend on the weather and the dress code at work. If its more strict (business casual - no jeans) spend the money on the Rev'it. They are absolutely amazing, and the first pants I've found that have flexible knee armor I can actually comfortably walk around in and sit at my desk with.
  
  
• REV'IT! Alpha RF Chinos - $200 Link
  
  
• AGV Sport Alloy Riding Jeans - $130 Link
  
  
  Gloves
  
  Can't forget gloves. I've found this is not a place to cheap out on. I have yet to find a sub $50 glove that is comfortable AND that I trust would protect me in a slide.
  
  
• Icon Pursuit - $75 Link
  
  
• REV'IT! Striker 2 - $90 Link
  
  
• REV'IT! Fly 2 - $90 Link
  
  Boots
  
  A lot of this comes down to personal preference and fit, but I really like the TCX boots.
  
  
• TCX X-Square - $100 Link
  
  
• Speed and Strength Black 9 - $100 Link
  
  
  
  Total
  
  So for in the area of $565 to $800 you have all the gear you need to get started. Also Revzilla has a rebates program so chances are you'd be able to save some money if you split it into two purchases.
  
  Hope this helps!

> I’m not wearing ear protection

Get something like electronic muffs. I have this pair, and they're great. You can speak at normal conversational levels.

Yes, you can buy a pair on amazon for like $35. being able to hear conversations next to you while remaining hearing-safe is a great safety feature. they block sound 100% of the time and have battery microphones that pick up sound so even if they dont have power they still protect you.

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

$32.

>Electronic muffs are fine no matter what.

Uh, no. Most electronic muffs on the market have a lower NRR than their non-electronic counterparts, meaning they provide less noise reduction and therefore less hearing protection. That fact alone means there are situations where electronic muffs will be the inferior choice.

A popular electronic muffs like Howard Leight Impact Sports only have a NRR of 22db compared to passive muffs like these from Decibel Defense with an NRR of 37db. Since decibel scales are logarithmic, a difference of 12db is a big deal. An increase of 3db means a doubling of noise intensity, so the 12db difference between the two represents an over tenfold increase in intensity. That's a significant difference.

Electronic muffs can be fine in many situations when used properly, but they're definitely not fine "no matter what". There are absolutely situations where there are better choices and shooting indoors with a lot of other people that you don't need to communicate with is one of them.

Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Shooting Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_8JAXDbEGK8JCH

For $35 bucks you can buy the Howard Leight Impact Sports, they have a slider so you can increase the noise of sounds near you, but it cancels out noises over 82 db according to the amazon list. Not sure if its what your looking for.

I love the relatively inexpensive howard leight folding muffs. Me and three other guys I go to the range with all use them and its wonderful to be able to talk to each other and still protect our hearing.

<$50 and we have not had any problems after over a year of use
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289789726&sr=8-1

These ones are pretty nice. https://www.amazon.com/Walkers-Electronic-Protection-Amplification-Suppression/dp/B01AAH8CMA/ref=sr_1_1?fst=as%3Aoff&qid=1554129576&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A3451704011%2Cp_89%3AWalker%27s+Game+Ear&rnid=2528832011&s=sports-and-fitness&sr=1-1

I also have a couple pairs of Howard Leight's for guests. They are ok, but not as good as the above. https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?fst=as%3Aoff&qid=1554129673&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A3451704011%2Cp_89%3AHoward+Leight&rnid=2528832011&s=sports-and-fitness&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7QJ9O?pc_redir=1409111221&robot_redir=1

New here?! Those are the typical go to. Only down side is they're not as good for rifle shooting because they hit the stock.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O?keywords=howard%20electronic%20earmuff&qid=1449348482&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

You want these.

I love these. I worked an air show and it reduced an f35 taking off 150 feet away to a manageable level. And they're only $15.

SureFire EP4 Sonic Defenders... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001V2SS9G?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

trs-25 is 64.99 at amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Reticle-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415803191&sr=8-1&keywords=trs-25

Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight Riflescope, 1x25mm, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_27.IBbZNVGYH0

All day, everyday.

For right around that price point you can get a real steel Bushnell TRS-25 which will be infinitely better.

This is the red dot I got for my little badger. It's super cheap but works well enough for me so far. The only real downside is it makes the gun to big to fit into the carry bag that it comes with, but I chuck mine into a backpack anyway so it was a non-issue.

The sight is rather low profile so it actually looks pretty good on the gun and at the same time gives it a MUCH nicer sight picture. The default sights on this gun are... not very nice imo.

I would return that back to Amazon and replace it with (r/https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00200E0HM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) cheaper and its a Bushnell. I purchase two of these and they have held up great.

What kind of ammo are you looking to reload? Straight-wall ammo, like most pistol calibers, is slightly easier to reload.

You can get into reloading for about $300-$500.

Here is what you will need:

1. A reloading manual. This is a book of known good "recipes" for making cartridges for different kinds of powder and bullets. $19.99.
   
2. A way to deprime spent brass (remove used primers).
   
3. A set of dies. These resize the brass to correct dimensions, seat the bullet, and crimp the cartridge.
   
4. Bullets.
   
5. Brass.
   
6. Primers.
   
7. Powder.
   
8. A scale for measuring powder $29.57.
   
9. A bullet puller. This allows you to rework screwed-up cartridges $12.99.
   
10. A press of some kind to run your cartridges through your dies.
    
    Before you get started, I highly recommend you read the book, "The ABC's of Reloading":
    
    http://www.amazon.com/The-ABCs-Of-Reloading-Definitive/dp/0896896099/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381839707&sr=8-2&keywords=abc%27s+of+reloading
    
    You can check it out at a library if you want to save money. This book covers all kinds of reloading from pistol to rifle to shotgun cartridges.
    
    If you are going to reload any kind of necked cartridge, like most rifle cartridges and some pistol cartridges, these cases stretch in length when firing due to the force being applied to the neck along the axis of the cartridge. As such they have to be trimmed back to proper length prior to reloading. This requires a case trimmer. You will generally not need a case trimmer for straight-walled cartridges.
    
    Reloading basically follows these steps:
    
    
11. Deprime the brass.
    
12. Resize external dimensions of brass.
    
13. Bell case mouth to accept new bullet.
    
14. Press in new primer.
    
15. Charge cartridge with powder.
    
16. Seat bullet.
    
17. Crimp cartridge mouth.
    
    There is a lot of debate as to whether single-stage, multi-stage, or progressive presses are best for new people.
    
    A single-stage press has, as you would expect, a single stage. You have to swap out your dies as you move from each operation of reloading. The advantage here is cost and the fact that you can focus exclusively on each step of the process. Disadvantage is speed.
    
    A multi-stage press has, as you would expect, multiple stages. This press holds all of your dies in one die plate, but you must manually change over from one die to the next. You still focus on each step of the process. Speed is a little faster as you do not have to re-set your dies every time you want to switch to a different die in the process.
    
    A progressive press holds all your dies but automatically moves the cartridge from one station to the next with each stroke of the handle. The progressive press' advantage is speed. The disadvantage is that the user must keep an eye on multiple things happening simultaneously, most importantly the powder charging step.
    
    I started off with a Lee Pro 1000, and it is still all I use. It is a bit twitchy in that you have to keep thumping the primer container to make sure the primer feed ramp stays full of primers or else it will start to mis-feed them. Also when the brass feed tubes start to run dry cartridges have a tendency to bounce off of the deck and scoot forward a bit getting caught under the die plate on the up-stroke, jamming the press. You have to push them back out of the way.
    
    You will probably want to clean your brass before reloading it. It is not absolutely essential that you do so, but it requires a lot more force to ram dirty brass through your dies than clean brass. Also dirty brass can scratch up your dies, which then in turn pass those scratches on to your ammo. To clean your brass, you will want a tumbler and seperator.
    
    If you are not using carbide dies you will need case lubricant and you will have to lubricate your brass before you run it through your dies. If you do not do this you will get brass stuck in your dies and you may have to send it to the factory to have it removed.
    
    Note that I used Amazon links for the above but obviously shop around. Also I referenced mostly Lee items but likewise shop around. Lee is usually the cheapest but can be "twitchy" compared to more expensive models.
    
    Do not randomly buy reloading components (powder, bullets, primer) and then try and find a recipe. It's much easier to find out what kind of powder is available to you locally and then find a recipe that uses that powder and buy bullets to match it. If you randomly buy whatever powder and bullets you can find you may have difficulty finding an existing recipe for that combination and will have to find something "close", which as a newbie I don't recommend. It's much easier to work with a known recipe for a specific powder and bullet and primer.
    
    Always start with the lowest recommended charge and work up from there if you find it necessary. If you are building precision ammunition for optimal accuracy you will "work up a load" to find exactly how much powder for any given bullet gives the best accuracy for any given firearm. If you are just building plinking ammunition then use the lowest listed charge that reliably cycles the action of your firearm.
    
    The most critical part of reloading is the powder charging step. If you build ammunition with too much powder in it it can explode and destroy the firearm and injure or even kill you. If you put too little or no powder in it you can make a "squib" where the primer will push the bullet out of the cartridge into the barrel, creating an obstruction, and if you fire the gun again it can explode, again with the risk of destroying the gun and injuring the shooter. It is important to eyeball every cartridge to make sure it is charged properly. And do spot-checks every 10th round or so with your scale to confirm the load.
    
    
    

well that does make it difficult now doesn't it. I have one of these if you would like it just pm me your address if you feel comfortable and ill mail it out

You need to invest in something. Hell, even earbuds are better than nothing. Don't take your hearing from granted. Even 5 shots a day on unprotected ears will cause damage. You won't feel it at first, hell you might not even notice it for a couple years, but its there. It's happening. Maybe you lose the high and low pitches, maybe not.

Also, I think the 'irresponsible gun owner' comes from a really high standard of safety from most people. Ear and eye protection has an extremely high priority.


Edit: I know a lot of people don't like the GIANT EAR MUFFS that every single range ever hands to you, and I don't know what your preferences are, but you could look into something like this. I don't know anything about those ones in particular so you would get better recommendations in /r/guns or some other related subreddit.

If anyone gives you shit for wearing ear plugs they are either a teenager or else they won't be able to hear anything you say back to them.

I'm in my 30s and years of band practice, going to shows, shooting guns and a few years in a factory really fucked my hearing, mostly because when I was a teenager I never wore them.

Go to a sporting goods store or section and get some range plugs; they'll protect your hearing but won't block out as much clarity as regular foam plugs will

I just put a leapers utg bug buster on my rifle. Fantastic scope and more advanced features than you'd expect for less than a bill. Illuminated reticle is also a huge bonus if you use your rifle for dusk hunting of rodents. I can't see using a scope that's more expensive than the rifle. Check out some reviews and videos. I should mention I have a takedown and the length is just right to fit in my bag. I had a simmons before that was waaay to long. Also included are a set of decent qd rings. Imo best value for the money. Went out to shoot it this weekend and it zeroed flawlessly.

UTG 3-9X32 1" BugBuster Scope, AO, RGB Mil-dot, QD Rings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005UGIMNQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_gjMoDb8JQ22M3

There the lightning deals, then there are department deals if supplied by Amazon.

If you search in the prime day category, you can find things like this simmons 3-9x32 for $30 (discount applied at checkout). Some items qualify for an extra 20% off...you need to check the top right corner.

Not a killer deal, just an example. I gave up after 5 min. This subreddit strains my wallet enough already.

I have the Henry base model. It doesn't have all the fashion of the more expensive ones, but it's an excellent shooter and looks good. I prefer the sights on it to the annoying buckhorn ones on the frontier & golden boy. Might be worth saving the money and buying it (H001).

I also recently got a Marlin 795, w/ 25 round promags and a simmons 3-9x rimfire scope. Gun was about $200 new, mags were about $25, and the scope was around $60. It's the most pragmatic of all my 22s, ridiculously accurate, and if I was hunting small game with a 22 it would be the one (out of a handful of 22s I own) that I'd take. It's rugged, inexpensive, large mags, semi-auto in case you need a second shot, and shoots ridiculously well. I was threading the same bullet hole at 50 yards (bench shooting of course).

I picked this up a few weeks ago.

Simmons 511039 22 MAG 3-9 x 32 Riflescope (Matte Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000KOSB34/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_HA53wbAG04J41

Works real well. Seems like a good scope to me. I also got a nicer weaver rail and weaver scope rings to mount it.

I can vouch for the Simmons .22 Mag scope (also available on Amazon). For the 30 bucks that you pay for it, it's an amazing little scope.

I bought this scope for my .22 and fully expected the rings to suck. I overtightened one and completely separated the thingamajigger that the screw pushes against from the ring itself.

Basically what half-decent rings should I buy to mount it securely on my Savage 64?

About halfway through the afternoon my crosshairs suddenly shifted. I have a Simmons Truplex 3-9x32 scope on a Ruger 10/22. This is the first time I've ever shot this rifle or used this scope. The recoil on the 10/22 is practically non-existent so I don't see how this could happen.

How is this even possible?

It should be a 3/8" dovetail on the top so anything that has a 3/8" dovetail mount will work with it. I use a simmons 3-9x32mm on my 795 that works pretty well.

You can get it on Amazon for like 39 bucks.

or buy one of these

Personally?

Lee Challenger 50th Anniversary kit.. Last time I did the math, even with the pieces I don't use, it came out cheaper than the individual components.

I wouldn't bother wasting the weeks of trying to get the included measure to throw properly for pistol rounds and would have gone straight to the Lee Pro Auto-Disk with the Adjustable Charge Bar. That thing throws accurate enough for pistol plinking with a few modifications.

I'd also pop right off the bat for a Universal Decapper so I could decap before wet tumbling.

Oh, and I'd get a chronograph and tripod from the start, too.

For dies, I like Lee. I'd just snag whatever dies I needed. I'd also get the various bits and baubles: Bullet puller, digital scale, digital calipers, etc.

https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Anniversary-Challenger-Kit/dp/B00162RM3E

Still need dies and components though.

Lee Anniversary Kit

$50 on Amazon

Definitely worth it. They are nice and low-profile, too, so if you ever get a rifle they don't interfere too much with your cheek weld.

would recommend the ones linked below (and by mr1337). (Howard Leight R-01526 Impact Sport Electronic Earmuff) i see a lot of instructors using them, which is a pretty big surprise:

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1/190-1363297-5223915?ie=UTF8&qid=1404367022&sr=8-1&keywords=electronic+ear+protection

First layer of protection: ear plugs. I use these.

Second layer of protection: electronic ear muffs, either the Howard Leight Impact Sports or the 3M Peltor Sport Tactical. Both work fine and choice is determined by which fit your head better. I tried the Impact Sports and they wouldn't seal right around my ears so I got the Peltors instead and they're perfect.

Don't forget eye protection too...

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

With those, I can hear even better than I can without. They will amplify every creaking floorboard, every mouse fart, and when you finally fire, they will save your hearing.

Did you notice the part where they have microphones that amplify all the sounds that aren't gunshots? Howard Leight makes a set like that, but they're fifty bucks. The set you linked aren't really comparable.

That said, the $50 HL set are pretty good. I'd recommend some foam ear plugs and cranking the amplification all the way up. You can hear people talk and feel pretty safe about your hearing.

I've seen these electronic Howard Leight Impacts recommended enough that I bought a pair ($60 at Cabelas). I just used them for the first time this weekend and I was happy with the performance. I might need to look for new shooting glasses, though, as my current glasses' arms stick out quite a bit and these ear muffs pushed them into my ears uncomfortably.

Gun safety companies have been doing this for years. I have a pair of shooting earmuffs that would let you hear a mouse fart 100 yards away but goes perfectly silent when it detects a gunshot.
https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470000793&sr=8-1&keywords=electronic+earmuffs

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O

I have these, and they work very well. You can go up to the $200+ Peltor muffs, but for a vast majority of cases, the Howard Leights will work fine.

If your only issue with your headset is the inability to hear your surroundings, they do have headsets that amplify ambient sounds under a certain level and only block out loud sounds. They have an input for your radio.

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Honeywell-Amplification-Electronic/dp/B001T7QJ9O/

https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA

I use this one my ec2a and it works like a charm

I haven't used it but this stuff looks good

https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA#customerReviews

Look at the reviews to see a few mice that people used it on.

I have a Bushnell 1-4, It works well, It's not a true 1x, more like 1.25ish but still works as an awkward red dot.

The 223 bullet drop reticle works good for 300blk just at diferent ranges depending on super/sub. granted I got mine used for 100$ I'm not complaining.

TRS-25 for $50. You'll want to buy a riser for it, but if you aren't picky they can easily be found for $20 or less. or get the high-rise version for $88.

Should probably mention a price range. Thats quite a long list of options. BUT if its just a .22 and you aren't looking to spend a boatload, the Bushnell TRS-25 is a great little quality red dot for the money. $50 shipped w/ amazon prime https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Riflescope-tilted/dp/B00CIY7JAU

Plano 36" cases like this one are very nice and sturdy. They have gone down to $40s IIRC around the black friday time period.

Not a fan of those latches or the lack of waterproofing. I have this and it's fricken SWEET. Just make sure to get some dessicant.





http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00E221A88/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?qid=1458883359&sr=8-7&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=gun+case&dpPl=1&dpID=51Mymihdh9L&ref=plSrch

Skip the mount combo and just get the UTG high rise mount, it's a bit better anyway and total price is about the same, sometimes cheaper if you go with the UTG.



Consider upgrading to the primary arms advanced red dot or the Romeo5. Going from ~500-1000 hours of battery life to about 20-30x that is nice, basically means you can leave it on.

Howard Leight makes two electronic muffs, the one linked by /u/farglesmirt and another, larger pair.

The bigger ones are 30NRR and the smaller more portable ones are 22NRR, which is a big difference on their own (10db = 2X power in the sound wave). If you are shooting indoors you should definitely always double up hearing protection anyway (33NRR plugs are cheap and plentiful), and I think with doubled up hearing pro, the NRR of the weaker layer is less relevant. Just in case you wanted an option with more protection, or you might want to wear the muffs on their own if you are outside or something similar, figured I'd mention it.

I do this regularly in holoball because I shift my grip to change the angle of the paddles. After a particularly vicious swipe, the game sometimes pauses because I grip the controller tighter.

On another note, I have very bad RSI, to the point that half my hand will go numb when gripping a hammer, drill, computer mouse or vive controller. I still haven't thrown a controller yet. I'm really not sure how so many are chucking theirs across the room. I did replace the wrist straps, though. Not worth the risk.

I wonder if grip tape would be a good idea. Something like this.

Thanks! It's GT5000 gun grip tape found it on Amazon, for me it's too slippery to be used on the sides. I've been thinking to try lizard skins or the Hotline Grips.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EuwoDbX8Q55B3

This stuff is amazing if you want the rubber feel. You have to cut it yourself, but it's so much cheaper than Talon Grips. I put it on guns, magazines, knives, tools, keys, and just about anything else.

https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA/

You could potentially add gun tape to the worn out part and use it as a back up to your new one.

Used "gun grip" tape on all my lenses, works like a charm!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00ATH0KEA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1369501353&sr=8-1&pi=SL75

Primary Arm ACSS $289

Primary Arms are good if you like the reticle, I used to own one and I enjoyed it but I upgraded and I honestly can't recommend the Primary Arms unless you love the reticle or want the extra 2x magnification. I can see better with the 4x Leupold than the Primary Arms at 6x. Glass quality is just stupidly better.

Bushnell BTR-1 $199

Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 $300

Leupold Mark AR 1-4 Firedot $395
Seriously a Leupold for $400. AR Ballistic Turrets instead of caps. Firedot Reticle That you will be able to trade off when you get the money to upgrade. The Precision at Range is a bit crazy if you dial your elevation, especially compared to the ACSS

Leupold Mark Ar Duplex $289

Burris MTAC $325

Vortex Viper PST 1-4 $400

SWFA SS 1-4 $400

Steiner P4Xi $500

$225 shipped on Amazon Prime ($4 cheaper than Brownells pre-rebate). Also $225 on Optics Planet. And $225 at Walmart. Just FYI.

other one has illuminated reticle and is first focal plane, this one is second focal plane (link)

DPMS Oracle for $399 (after rebate) blows this away in terms of quality and value. Throw on a $30 TRS-25 Red Dot and you're good to go.

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_0-7uxb1KD4ERF

I have this one. It is perfect and is much cheaper. I primarily leave this case in the car/trunk and put the board in there while doing local commuting. This case is likely an oversize item when boarding planes. So check in fee + oversize fee. Haven't tried tho

If you dont have a gun case you should probably buy one if thats what you are talking about.

Id suggest a Plano 42in if your a cheap bastid: http://www.amazon.com/Plano-Weather-Tactical-Case-42-Inch/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462998489&sr=8-1&keywords=plano+42

or a Pelican 1750 if you like your cases with caviar: http://www.amazon.com/PELICAN-1750-000-110-Long-Rifle-Case/dp/B000AOMA1S/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1462998488&sr=1-1&keywords=pelican+1750

The only gun upgrade you should do right now is a sling, grab a romy sling off k-var, and learn how to use it. Slings are awesome.

check this case out, also you might want to check Uline.com, find boxes with 275 test strength.

https://www.amazon.com/Plano-Weather-Tactical-Case-42-Inch/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=sr_1_4?s=hunting-fishing&ie=UTF8&qid=1474248254&sr=1-4&keywords=rifle+case

I use Plano Gun Cases for everything. I used to carry my M60 in them fine when I had it

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch

-Sig Romeo C4 Optic
-Magpul flip-ups
-SB Tactical brace

Try one of these - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6

Solid enough to get past TSA and cheaper than Pelican.

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch, it's the poor man's Pelican case

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E2217I6

I use this rifle case. The board fits if you take the bottom foam out and leave the egg crate foam that lines the top.

Impossible to steal when using this case because it will come out at most airports with the oversize baggage: skis, golf clubs, etc. Oversize baggage comes out last; after all bags reach the carousel.

At some airports they take it to the baggage customer service representative where they require ID since they assume it's a firearm and they're not going to just let anyone have it.

Do you know the model of the case? I was thinking about picking up this one
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00E2217I6/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Plano-Weather-Tactical-Case-36-Inch/dp/B00E221A88/ref=sr_1_5?s=hunting-fishing&srs=2598616011&ie=UTF8&qid=1520363446&sr=1-5

something like this?

If you're planning on spending more than $150 just save your money and save up for a premium optic like an Aimpoint, EOTech, Leupold, or Trijicon. If you're looking in the 100-150 range, Holosun makes a great solar/battery powered red dot that holds zero well and has a 30-50k hour battery life(when it's actually in battery mode). If you're looking for a more traditional optic, Bushnell and Nikon have good 1-4x optics. If you're looking for more magnification a Leupold
is within your reach. Vortex has strong offerings in both red dots and traditional optics if you're willing to spend a just bit more. If you're looking in the 50-150 range I'd look into a TRS-25 or Primary Arms for a red dot. For a traditional scope i'd stick with a fixed power optic like this Bushnell, you're going to be hard pressed to find a decent magnified optic with good glass in this price range, fixed power scopes are simpler in construction and offer at least better durability but i'd consider sticking to a non magnified optic under the $100 range. If you're trying to spend even less than $50 there is apparently a very well made $20 Fieldsport which is worth a search on youtube. I wouldn't consider anything magnified under $50 but this is a good range for a cool carry handle with elevation adjustment and retro look. Shooting irons can be more fun than using optics sometimes.

For the look, i say go for it. Remember to pick up a small red dot and its good to go. It feels kind of cheap, but looks pretty good.

https://www.amazon.com/FieldSport-Micro-Sight-Precision-Green/dp/B00Y3SZEJC

I reccomend this red dot, its the best bang for the buck for 22 clones that you dont plan on beating to death.

Normally i reccomend vortex at a minimum, but this is really all you need for the gsg522

Yup.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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704 Tactical $20 Red Dot review


FieldSport Red Dot for sale

I have that site as well. It's on my 10/22 and is wonderful

On all three of mine I've got red dots zero'd at 50 yrds. I have to hold over some at 100 but I'm gonna switch to my AR-15 if I'm gonna be shooting that far or longer. I've got TRS-25's on 2 of them, and a FieldSport Micro Dot on the other that's almost identical, just a lot cheaper. The red dot works good for me in USPSA PCC division without being too bulky. I don't see the need for a $300+ optic on a range toy

And the SOR52001 is on Amazon right now for $112.99 + tax and is shipped free same day/next day if you are a prime member. I just picked it up for my 10/22 and couldn’t be happier.

Sig Sauer SOR52001 Romeo5 1x20mm Compact 2 Moa Red Dot Sight, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C95I8N4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_G74FDbTVFMPBN

Seriously, it's a buyers market right now... Everything gun related is getting discounted. I'm no psychic, but I'd say it's likely to continue at least until we get up closer to the 2018 elections.

Acog's are great, but if you want to save a few bucks, I have a couple of these Sig Sauer Romeo5 sights and I really like them. Very solid... Motion activated, 40k hr battery, weather proof, $150'ish...
https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-SOR52001-Romeo5-Compact/dp/B01C95I8N4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493402755&sr=8-1&keywords=sig+romeo+5

This is for the compact version.

Alternatively, OpticsPlanet
and Amazon offer it for $149.99 with free 2-Day Shipping.

Edit: I just realized that the seller that I linked on Amazon is OpticsPlanet!

Edit2: With Free Prime 1-Day shipping, I guess this could be the better deal for me if I wanna pay another ~$5 over the lowest shipping option at PA. Man, did I underestimate shipping and taxes.

Primary Arms MD-RGBII + Primary Arms Micro Dot Base Mount = ~$120

Sig Sauer Romeo5 (OOS online but sold in-store and can still be found for $129 online) = ~$120 - $129

Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 + .83 Height Riser = ~$64

You can also wait for the Memorial Day sales.

Bushnell TRS-25?

https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Sight-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1525120231&sr=8-3&keywords=TRS25

the one I linked above is exactly the same thing without evike's stupid engraving and $15USD cheaper.

those sights are 'disposable commodity' sights, prone to losing zero when bumped, or even just switching the reticule mode (not that it matters, since they have absurd amounts of paralax for a red dot) but they project a nice big dot/cross/whatever in the rough direction of where you need to shoot.

it might serve you well, or you might find it unbearable. I personally have a continually worsening astigmatism which causes lower quality red dots to look less sharp/'starburst', causing me to look into the lower end of the 'real steel' sight market such as this Bushnell TRS-25 at $80 USD.

since its only $20, buy the NC-star clone red-dot, and determine if it works for you, if it doesn't, look into a Bushnell or a Primary Arms dot instead.

TRS-25: https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Riflescope-1x25mm/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542748164&sr=8-1&keywords=bushnell+trs25

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Mount: https://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-Slot-Adaptor-Medium-Profile/dp/B00BUVLZES/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1542748401&sr=8-9&keywords=utg+riser

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Shockwave 12 ga.: https://www.gunbuyer.com/catalog/product/view/id/104487/s/mossberg-590-shockwave-12ga-pump-action-14-barrel-6rd/

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Shockwave 20 ga: https://palmettostatearmory.com/mossberg-590-shockwave-20ga-shotgun-50657.html?avad=211021_d13cbc985&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl

This one is pretty nice, but it's pretty much at the end of your budget. Bushnell Scope

Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight Riflescope, 1x25mm, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Qjl7Cb0ZCKE0W

Here brotha. I know PSA had them on a sale for around 68 after shipping. I don't know if the sale is still going though.

Even a simple lateral move would be so much better.
Take the Bushnell trs-25.

https://youtu.be/jGLOd1jHz8E

It's $56 every day on Amazon, and comes down to $43 from time to time.

There are two different models,

https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Riflescope-1x25mm/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=trs-25&qid=1558729196&s=gateway&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Optics-TRS-25-Hirise-Riflescope/dp/B00ABP8YCA/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=trs-25&qid=1558729196&s=gateway&sr=8-2


They are considered the minimum viable for reliable, durable, and cheap, plus sport an ultra long battery life.

the bushnell trs-25 is often on sale for less than 70

and you could probably put a dent into a streamlight tlr-1s

Just run irons for now man, buy a KNS front sight post (I use the .052 dot post but for precision work the inverted V is pretty awesome) and just save the money to put towards your ACOG.

If you are completely opposed to using irons for now, there are a few mid range red dots but they are all battery operated, I am currently using a Bushnell TRS-25 because it has around 128 days battery life on a medium setting. I keep about 1.5 years worth of batteries in my MOE+ grip.

If you are absolutely opposed to a red dot with batteries, the Meprolight is the lowest priced non-battery operated optic that I am aware of.

I just ordered my second Bushnell trs-25 for $69 from PSA they are a good red dot and I also ordered PSA aluminum BUIS for $69 I haven't heard anything about them on here but they were on sale so I figured I'd give them a try.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-aluminum-flip-up-backup-sight-set-buis-7789731.html

Bushnell Trophy Red Dot TRS-25 3 MOA Red Dot Reticle Riflescope, 1x25mm (Matte),Colors May Vary https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_YJbqybDBPCADJ

Just got this one in the mail 2 weeks ago. Works amazing, the Dot is visible even in intense sun, adjustable brightness, and only $20 over your budget.

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-1xRed-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1346692847&sr=1-1&keywords=trs-25+bushnell

The no-rise version of the TRS-25 is currently $39 on Amazon no longer the price I was seeing...

You'll often see the TRS-25s on sale for $35-$40 ish (I grabbed one last week @ $35 for my new 9mm upper). Add in a .83" riser for ~$10 and you're still ahead of buying the taller version.

I just bought this Bushnell. It is a great little red dot, and tough as hell.

I also bought this cheap riser mount because I was putting it on at AR.

I have one and love it. They’re currently $44 on Amazon. It probably has the best quality/price ratio out there.

So this review on Amazon is what my buying guide will consist of. My apologies for formatting, I am on mobile.

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I'm new to reloading, but I shoot a lot so instead of doing what every beginner should and buy a single stage press I saved up a little and got the AP press due to the fact I knew I would use it a lot. But after it came I quickly realized it was far more technical than I expected. I found out there were a lot of parts I still needed and a lot more money that still needed to be spent. I was fine with it bet I knew I would have to save up for a little bit to get it all. But after about 100 hours of reloading YouTube videos and four months I was able to actually start reloading. Wishing I had a guide right off the bat to tell me what I need and why I ended up making one for any other new beginner. So here it is.


Disclaimer: Do not follow my advice blindly, do your research on each piece of equipment. The prices I have stated are not set in stone, they were what I spent. I would advise you to shop around to get the best deals
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What you still need:

--Hornady Lock N Load Auto-Progressive Reloading Press
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PD01NS/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$462.64
Notes: Does not have to be this press

--Hornady Lock N Load Ap & Projector Shell Plate
http://www.hornady.com/store/Choose-Shell-Plate-by-Number/
$41.33
Notes: Each shell plate is for a different caliber, when you buy make sure you get the correct plate for the caliber you are reloading. Here is the guide http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/shell_holder.pdf

--Hornady Shell Holder
http://www.hornady.com/store/Choose-Shell-Holder-by-Number/
$5.00
Notes: Each shell holder is for a different caliber, when you buy make sure you get the correct holder for the caliber you are reloading. Although RCBS makes a similar looking holder, it will NOT fit in the Hornady setup. Here is the guide http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/shell_holder.pdf

--Reloading Dies
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PD6PO2/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$43.89
Notes: All reloading dies from all companies are universal to each other's presses. So you don't have to stick to Hornadys dies (I do because I like them)

--Digital Scale
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BDOHNA/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$29.14
Notes: Digital scales are a little more expensive bet worth it for the time you save

--Digital Caliper
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002JFMIO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$10.60
Notes: Digital calipers are convenient for speed but if money is tight you can go traditional

--Hornady One Shot Gun Cleaner & Dry Lube
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-Shot-Cleaner-DynaGlide-Aerosol/dp/B000LC9YM2/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375560230&sr=1-1&keywords=hornady+gun+cleaner
$13.28
Notes: Used when you put the press together and clean all the parts

--Hornady One Shot Spray Case Lube
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-Shot-Spray-DynaGlide-Aerosol/dp/B0001NA29U/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375560743&sr=1-1&keywords=hornady+case+lube
$13.44
Notes: This or any case lube is an absolute need or your rounds will get stuck in the die. This one is cool because you don't have to wipe it off after you deprime and resize so if you have an AP bench like mine you can just keep going.

--Case Trimmer
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-50140-Camlock-Case-Trimmer/dp/B000PD6QJ6/ref=sr_1_7?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375561942&sr=1-7&keywords=case+trimmer
$88.99
Notes: This will trim the case down to size. Needed because after firing the case expands

--Cartridge Reloading Guide
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-Edition-Handbook-Cartridge-Reloading/dp/B00A95QWGM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375563579&sr=8-2&keywords=Reloading+guide
$39.80
Notes: Tells you the specifics of each round. There is a different manual for each projectile. So if you use Hornady bullets you will use their guide, RCBS you you'd use theirs, etc.
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What you need to clean the brass:

--Case Tumbler
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-Case-Tumbler-110-Volt/dp/B000PD1XE4/ref=sr_1_17?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375559938&sr=1-17&keywords=media+tumbler
$83.58
Used to remove the carbon from the rounds. I advise not to deprime before use because the media will get stuck in the primer hole.

--Tumbling Media
http://www.amazon.com/Frankford-Arsenal-287178-Brass-Cleaning/dp/B001GX8DS6/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375561385&sr=1-4&keywords=tumbling+media
$20.10
The corn cob media is a little more fine grain and less likely to get stuck

--Metal Polish
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-9993-Case-Polish/dp/B002L9D8VQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375561809&sr=1-1&keywords=hornady+metal+polish
$14.17
You would put this in the tumbler with the rounds to give them a nice polish
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What I would recommend:

--Bullet Puller
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B7ZB4Q/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$17.15
Used when you mess up a round, it pulls the projectile out

--Primer Turning Plate
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001OPL80Q/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$17.56
used to make sure the primers are set the right way before you put them in the primer tube

--Universal Ammo Reloading Tray
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-1536-480040-Universal-Loading/dp/B000GU8WU4/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1375559333&sr=8-3-fkmr2&keywords=universal+ammo+reloading+tray
$11.38
Used to hold your rounds for inspection, and helps with precision loading powder

--Case Prep Tool
http://www.amazon.com/Lyman-Universal-Case-Prep-Accessory/dp/B0034LAVUG/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375562159&sr=1-2&keywords=case+prep+tool
$55.79
This is used after depriming and trimming to make sure all the holes are clean and free of debris

--Stuck Case Remover
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Y6ZJQ6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$18.99
Used in case you get a round stuck in the die

--Hornady Micrometer Rifle Lock N Load Powder Measure
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003O1WOJ2/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$27.99
Used to better measure out the powder in the Hornady Powder Drop for rifle calibers

--Hornady Micrometer Pistol Lock N Load Powder Measure
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001OPR300/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$39.89
Used to better measure out the powder in the Hornady Powder Drop for pistol calibers

--Powder Cop
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003D6ZLXE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$30.57
Used to make sure you don't put more powder in than you should

--Hornady Lock N Load Die Bushing 10 Pack
http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-Lock-Load-Bushing-Pack/dp/B00162OLTW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375563887&sr=8-1&keywords=Hornady+AP+die+bushing
$42.22
Would recommend if you are reloading multiple calibers, it makes change over much faster.
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What you need for precision loading:

--Hornady Lock N Load Ammo Concentricity Gauge
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001KZ3NNK/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$99.99
Only needed for precision reloading

--Powder Funnel
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PD1XI0/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$5.78
Used for more of an exact measurement

--Hornady Microjust Seating Stem
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GU9VU4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$24.99
Used to get an exact seating depth with the projectile
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I hope this helps! I will be making some tutorial videos soon and will post a link here.

> https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Breech-Lock-Challenger/dp/B003ISVWC6

yes. i also got mine from amazon.

the parts that need improvement are discussed in the customer reviews near the bottom of the page. powder dispenser and scale are the items i remember getting lukewarm reviews. those parts are cheap to upgrade. so no worry.


you need dies for the caliber that you are reloading.

for some reason i have 2 sets of .223 dies. i know i purchased one, i'm not sure if the other came with the kit.

i purchased a 2" bench top cut off saw [$32]

a jig to cut my cases [$13] 300blk

a case length guage [$10] 300blk

ammo loading tray [$7]

dies [$39] for each caliber

digital caliper [$16]

frankford scale [$32]

frankford bullet puller [$16]

tumber kit [$75]

i spent a good month or so on /r/reloading before i actually purchased anything.

i asked questions and made a shopping list.

those guys are very helpful

research what you actually need for the caliber / bullet grain you want to reload before you buy anything.

double and triple check what powder you need as well. it could save your life.


i kinda over did it with supplies

haven't opened half the boxes yet.

I found your charging handle for almost $10 cheaper. You could cut the cost of the charging handle significantly by getting a one-handed one. I used the exact same lower build kit for my first AR. The lower build kit does not come with any tools. You're going to need some tools, such as a Castle Nut Wrench and a punch set

This is kind of optional, but you're going to need a spacer if you want to use iron sights (or else the iron sights will be blocked by the red dot sight. The spacer also helps a great deal is making it more comfortable, so your head isn't awkwardly tilted, obviously this will depend on your eye height.

Don't get discouraged if this seems confusing, if all else fails, watch an ar15 building tutorial and everything will be much clearer. Here's another tutorial. Good luck.

I meant why that riser. You could get one actually made for that dot that will look 100 times better, be lighter, and just be better.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Hi-Profile-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TWZG4G

Since you bought Bushnells I'm guessing you're buying on a budget, but this is a pretty good budget riser for a lower 1/3 co-witness.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Med-pro-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TX2BD4

Or if you want an absolute co-witness...

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Hi-Profile-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TWZG4G

I use this for my cheaper budget builds. Works fine. Gives a 1/3 co witness. I believe the medium gives absolute. May want to get something nicer if it's for a high end build though.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003TWZG4G/ref=pd_aw_sim_200_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41D4t%2BWp25L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL100_SR100%2C100_&refRID=06BXBY2NDFQXS63XE7K6

https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-Defenders-filtered-Earplugs-reusable/dp/B004DH65RI/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=surefire+ep4&qid=1573408353&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-4


Sorry, Surefire, not Shure.

They have different sizes, I got medium. There's better options out there I'm sure, but again, on solo hunts I can hear ducks whistle behind me, quack from a fair distance, and I've gotten used to calling with them in. For $15 it's a good option.

Check out UTG scopes. They make great (for airsoft)(I have one of their red dot sights and it's really high quality) products that are designed for real steal weapons. So while they might be a budget brand for real firearms they are great for airsoft because there is no recoil or anything that would cause your sight to lose it's zero.

I know the one I linked is more expensive than the one you posted about but they have some that are less expensive than the one I linked.

I think you will be fine - just make sure you bring instructions on how to adjust.

Personally I have a UTG Bug Buster that works great on a 10/22.

i might get some flack for this, but i am extremely happy with the [utg 3-9x32] (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005UGIMNQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_TgFQDbGPDF4NF). the qd rings are great. a stick of loctite (blue stuff) will keep the threads from loosening. be gentle, vortex and leupold fanboys.

What's your purpose?

I've got this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005UGIMNQ/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details on mine (with a riser, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TWX8HS/ref=oh_o01_s00_i01_details) and I've got no issues hitting an 8" plate @ 300y with my 20" AR.

To clarify, I was planning on getting a quick access safe like this one. Would I still need a holster in there? seems like an added barrier between me and my gun when I need it.

I have this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA

I love it. The light is enough to put on my shoes by, it has a key backup, it has never failed me and I have not replaced the battery in the two years of constant usage.

Something like this GunVault safe could have saved that boy's life while still keeping the gun readily accessable to the parents:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_P1WACb7PTARH9

To the gunowners out there, keep your guns locked up. A kid's life is worth the <$120 investment.

If you get a handgun, grab one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496522696&sr=8-1&keywords=velocity+vault

I have one of these screwed to the wall between my bedside table and bed and it works very well.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_DEXCCb9V7Y6WK

I like ones like this: https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA

When your kid starts getting into his teens, it's a good idea to teach him some gun safety and how to respect the firearm.

Get a safe. Put it in a hidden spot, like closet under pile of underwear. and secure it to wall stud using 3" screws.
Gunvault has some decent options


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000J4L2EK/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?qid=1450270228&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=gunvault&dpPl=1&dpID=51VTYzo76aL&ref=plSrch

http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SpeedVault-SV500-gun-safe/dp/B006OGNLKA

Consider something like this for next to the bed. And just don't let your child know the combo. But seriously you don't want to unload and reload your gun that much, that's twice a day every day so far. It's not good for the ammo, and you run a higher risk of an ND loading and unloading that often than you do just storing it loaded

I use the MSA Sordin supreme pro-X with gel-cups, but they're a bit pricey. https://www.amazon.com/MSA-Sordin-Supreme-Pro-Electronic/dp/B00QV33ZRK

Others swear by something like these: https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-Amplification-Electronic-Earmuff-R-01902/dp/B007BGSI5U

Peltor got some as well: https://www.amazon.com/3M-Peltor-Tactical-Sport-Earmuff/dp/B000Q04MRG

I like the Sordin because A) They're comfortable, B) the profile makes them not be too much in the way for a proper cheekweld, and C) I think they have pretty damn good sound compared to the Peltor that I tried (it's easier to distinguish sound direction I think).

Yeah I've never had issues. Apparently they are set to only magnify voices and stuff, not gunshots, and you can adjust the volume. I think mine sometimes don't seal perfectly over my sunglasses or shooting glasses though.

Relative to other things gun related they are cheap. These are the really popular ones https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=ear+protection&qid=1562612210&s=gateway&sr=8-4

I got these, and in hindsight I might want something lower profile like the ones above. Sometimes rifle shooting it messes with your cheek weld. I think the main difference is they block more sound: https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01902/dp/B007BGSI5U/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=howard+leight&qid=1562612324&s=gateway&sr=8-4

I'd give the Amazon ones a shot, they're like 10% of the price of actual Peltors, and I've never had an issue. I know quite a few guys who shoot with them. Worst comes to worst, Amazon has a good return policy, so you'd only be out the cost of shipping them back.

https://www.amazon.ca/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

If shooting indoors, it's a safe bet. .38spl is subsonic, and it's probably fine with just earplugs. .357 is supersonic and it's hard on the ears.

Hearing damage is cumulative, and never goes away. So these days, I try to double-up, or at least wear decent muffs. The mild "eeeeeeee^eeeeee^^eeeeee" never really goes away, and I don't want it to get worse.

For $40 a set of Howard Leigh Impact Sports give great hearing protection and still amplify sound so you can speak without shouting.

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I've owned a set for a little over a year now. I really like both the look and sound of them, and have gotten plenty of positive comments about the sound of the pipes when playing with bandmates.

They're a little louder than regular smallpipes, but not by too much. The decibel meter on my phone has them at 80dB, vs. the 100 dB for my pipe chanter, and ~70-75 dB for my acoustic guitar. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but that should give you an idea.

I don't wear hearing protection with them - although they're probably borderline whether I need to or not. These are what I wear when practicing highland pipes at home. What I like about them is that I can hear just fine for normal conversation, but they'll shut off the microphone for when I'm actually playing, although I'm looking for some musician grade plugs that I can wear to band practice/performances instead of foamies.

Surefire/Peltor are awesome choices.

For over the ear I have a set of Howard Leights. I've use them for personal shooting and on the range, and they're not overly expensive. I bought them for around $45 when they were on sale.

For sure - It's frustrating that a father's legitimate depression is taken less seriously because it doesn't have the same cause as motherhood depression. Fatherhood depression is very real, and very different from just being stressed. Ideally, we would define and treat mental health issues with more accuracy.

As for real support for OP - Of course, my first recommendation is to find a therapist you click with, ideally one trained in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT). As for quick ideas that may help, I've heard many parents of loud babies swear by electronic ear protection. A baby's cry can reach 130 decibels, enough to permanently damage human hearing! Electronic ear protection works by recording the sounds around you, then playing them into your ear at a safe volume in real time. They're meant for hunters, shooters, and people who work around loud equipment who still want to be able to hear things going on around them. They come as ear muffs or the more expensive ear buds. You'll still be able to hear your wife talking or baby crying, but at a volume that doesn't tell your brain to run away from the situation and enter fight or flight.

BAM These electronic earmuffs are good, but I also use foam ear plugs in conjuntion (call me paranoid). They have stereo microphones with variable volume control. They also have a standard earphone jack, so you can plug your phone into it and listen to music.

Thanks for introducing me to these. Amazon is selling a super slim pair of Howard Leight's for ~$40.

I'll mention them to /u/Zenel92 just in case.

Yup. Mine (and others' including /u/nomofica ) all came from the official authorized seller page on amazon.ca

If you don't already have them, these are pretty handy.

Howard Leight Impact Sport Electric Earmuffs

These will save both your ears and mind.

They are amazing.

Haven't used them with big guns, but the Howard Leight Impact Sports are pretty good.

Just got them, and in the past two times I've gone they're okay. I like doubling up with my in-ears in and the muffs overtop.

Just remember, your hearing isn't going to get any better, so going overkill on protection isn't a terrible thing.

I'd recommend getting some spare magazines. Will make range sessions a lot more productive if you're not constantly stopping to reload your empty magazines.

Downside is Ruger is pretty proud of their SR series magazines, though you can often find the 2 packs on sale somewhere.

Also, get some good shooting glasses and hearing protection. Something with active hearing like the Howard Leight Impact Sports or something along those lines. It attenuates the noise of gunfire, but allows you to hear range commands and converse with instructors or other people on the range.

And you'll need a good range bag to carry the gun, ears, eyes, magazines, ammo, staple gun (for outdoor ranges that don't have retractable target holders) , gun wipes, UpLula magazine loader - trust me on this one, your thumbs will thank you.

I'd get the range bag first, at the very least, if money's a bit tight after the holiday spendathon. You can fill it with the other goodies later.

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

But I firmly don't believe listening to music is wise when shooting. It's important to be aware of your surroundings.

In a perfect world... too bad they don't make some that blocks sound above a certain db range but still allows you to hear everything else...

cough

Just order these.

Howard Leight Impact Sport OD Electric Earmuff, Green https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_M27IzbQ7352RY

I don't hunt, but low-profile electronic earmuffs like these are slim enough to not affect your cheek weld and actually amplify ambient noises, allowing you to hear animals better.

Electronic ear muffs, like these are well worth the expense.

They allow hearing of regular noises (such as range officer orders or a deer sneaking along) but cut out on gunfire.

Electronic muffs. Google for reviews. These are said to be, while not the absolute best, very good and amazing value for the money:

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/189-6166717-6906043

Good deal if you need a two pack, singularly they are $47.

You should invest in a pair of Howard Leight Impact Sport headphones. They're normally used on gun ranges and allow for hearing protection while making range commands perfectly audible by amplifying sounds below 80 dB and deadening any sounds which exceed 80dB. They have built-in directional microphones and adjustable volume. I wear mine every time I drum, and I can't imagine ever trying anything else again.

Amazon link

These are stereo: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7QJ9O/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472921665&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=active+ear+protection&dpPl=1&dpID=413LEFbzvIL&ref=plSrch

Lots of people use them on ranges. Never seen anything like them in these videos though.

I have the same helmet and goggles from Evike. I use a gen1 mesh mask. Since it doesn't protect your ears, I use these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7QJ9O/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1398291154&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40

I just tried on my buddies gen2 mask with the helmet and it fits great. Since you already have that mask, you don't need to spend $50 on ear pro and gen1 mask.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have a pair that were $50 on Amazon. They block any ThunderB or loud GBB noises but also amplify speech and snaller noises. Plus there's a headphone jack if you want to listen to tunes while shooting fools. They're OD with a leather-y band on them.

Howard Leight R-01526 Impact Sport Electronic Earmuff
http://amzn.com/B001T7QJ9O

I use these.

I like [these](http://www.SureFire.com/ EP4 Sonic Defenders Plus filtered Earplugs, triple flanged design, reusable, Clear, Medium https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001V2SS9G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_s8Wryb0BHRPV0), they're comfortable enough to wear all day.

Ear pro = ear protection. It's whatever you use, not a particular type.

You should look at electronic earplugs. They're hilariously expensive (expect to pay $400), but your hearing is worth it. If that's too steep, this Surefire item looks very interesting. They appear to be mechanical instead of electronic; look at some reviews and maybe give them a try.

Came here to say this.

I've had good experience with Surefire ep4's, for loud sound-camp usage. There seem to be a lot of options though; ymmv

Palmetto has free shipping right now. This means they may have raised some prices on certain things so check the price histories over the last few months if possible. The absolute cheapest way is to build yourself. As in buying all of the parts, not just a complete upper and complete lower. Sometimes this can be pretty negligible, though. The way to ultimately build it cheaper by buying piece by piece would be to do it over time, where you opportunistically look for the best deals. I tried to piece together one for you below. It is cheaper than a ptac and blackhawk! build from palmetto, but not by more than 30-50$. But you have more options, can spread out the cost, and you will know the system and how it works much better.

Lower 60$

lower parts kit 35$

Buffer tube/ stock assembly 27$. check around for Sportsmansguide coupons

Blem upper 41$ plus 10$ flat rate shipping. You could combine your magazine purchases from Cope's with the shipping on the upper.
like this 8$ GI mag or this deal for 10 pmags for 107$.

Bolt Carrier Group 80$

Gas Block 17$

Gas tube 13$

forward assist 16$. You may could find this for a few dollars cheaper elsewhere.

Ejection port assembly 9$

free float quadrail 22$ or regular m4 handguards 19$ but you would need this [9$ delta ring]. or the Magpul MOE handguard for 28$

(http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/dpms-ar-15-m16-delta-pack.aspx?a=369258) to go with it.

Bear Creek Barrel, 16" 70$ plus shipping.

Reliable red dot, TRS 25 for 80$ shipped.

and/or iron sights A2 front 18$

Rear sight 22$

So after FFL transfer on the lower (10-30$ depending on location) and shipping on everything you are looking at between 460$ with iron sights, quad rail, and a mag or around 550$ with a red dot and multiple mags.

Cheapest ammo. and at Sportsmansguide where you could ship it with some of the other stuff and potentially use some of their coupons.

you might want to pick one of these wrenches up at 18$ to do the installs.

I know you might only be beating Palmetto prices by around 50-100$, but if you really are on a budget that could make a difference. These prices aren't the very lowest I've ever seen, but they are some of the best I could find in about 5-10min of looking around. Plus, you get the added benefit of buying your rifle in parts, which could help with your budget limitations, and also, more importantly, you can be really familiar with your firearm and its components.

I've got this scope, Simmons .22Mag - It holds zero pretty damn well even after a couple hundred rounds, and I don't treat it nice either... and still cheap.

It’s actually a cheap Simmons from Amazon. It surprisingly nice and clear! It feels pretty sturdy as well. It’s an awesome scope for the price!

I'm rocking this for range trips. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B000P3WPKK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Holds my 1911, P320 and 3 mags for each with plenty of room to spare.

For cheap/free accessories, here are my recommendations:

Find a local astronomy club and go to a few meetings. Astronomy clubs love new members, and they'll answer every question you have. If they have an open observing event, bring your telescope and you might even get to try a few of the accessories others have mentioned. You may get to see what Saturn looks like in your telescope with a 10mm EP and barlow before you buy.

Also, there are club members with old EPs for sale. Somebody's always upgrading their collection and looking for a new home for their old Plossls.

If you have basic woodworking skills, you can make a Denver Observing Chair for <$30. I think I made mine from these plans, but there are plans and how-to's all over the web. It beats hunching over the eyepiece for hours. Your back will thank you.

An accessory case is nice to have. Keep all your stuff in one place, and you won't accidentally forget something when you go out to observe. I use this 4-pistol case for $20 from Amazon.

If you're learning the night sky, get a planisphere and go out with it for 10 minutes once a week for some naked eye observing. Learn a new constellation each time. I think WV is in the 30-40 degree north range? Or for free you can download and print the map each month from SkyMaps.com

For getting started finding interesting stuff in the telescope, a book like Turn Left at Orion was a great help for me. Step-by-step instructions for star-hopping to the best and brightest stuff in the sky.

I think this is a better solution. Mount it under your bed. If the boogeyman comes in the night, reach down, key in the code with your fingertips, and the door springs open, releasing Mr. Sig and Mr. Sauer to go to work.

As a locksmith who'd dealt with numerous fingerprint reading systems, including those cheap Chinese ones on gun safes, I highly recommend something else. Service calls on devices with bad fingerprint readers outnumber service calls on similar devices with mechanical locks by 5 to 1, easy. I'd recommend something like a Gunvault electronic pushbutton, or a mechanical lock box based on the 5-button Simplex lock like this one. For a long gun safe, biometric is OK so long as there's a keypad override.

Basically, I wouldn't trust my life to one of those hinkey fingerprint readers.

Yep

Most kevlar are pull overs

Also these are nifty

Literally 6 seconds I would be armed and armored

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1396101020&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40

This is what my wife and I both have. We really like them. We bought ours at Cabela's but they're cheaper in Amazon.

So looking at buying my first press and noticed that amazon has the lee jeans logo on the lee press. clicking on it takes you over to the jeans. lol

lol.

or you could just reload/make more

I'm still new to shooting at paper targets, I will start shooting in groups of 5 from now on. I've looked into reloading but there's so much info out there that I'm not even sure where to start.

I was looking at the Lee 50yr Anniversary Kit on Amazon, http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-50th-Anniversary-Reloading/dp/B00162RM3E and picking a set of .308 dies. I guess after that my next step would be to grab some powders, bullets, tumblers. I know the initial investment will pay itself off pretty quick, but do you have a reloading for dummies you can recommend?

For $11.02 I purchased these digital calipers and they are insanely accurate and I could not be anymore happy with them.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0002JFMIO/ref=mp_s_a_1_34?qid=1427733769&sr=8-34&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=reloading&dpPl=1&dpID=51VhLNNwsKL&ref=plSrch

If you're going the cheaper route have you thought about the Lee kit for $126.99?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00162RM3E/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?qid=1427733723&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=reloading&dpPl=1&dpID=51CC5xpzeLL&ref=plSrch

I highly recommend using digital ear protection. I see a ton of gun guys using Howard Leight Impact Sport headsets; they muffle gunshots but allow you to hear the same (or even better, if you turn them up) as normal. You can also double up by using normal earplugs underneath them if you'd prefer.

More like 50 bucks, if its not on sale.

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

I have 4 pairs of these because I shoot real steel. They work very very well, and they look cool too.

Everyone can recommend you a bunch of items. How much are you wanting to spend?

He probably has hearing protection but if he just has buds, get some howard leight pros for $30. Also there are some generic bore snakes on amazon.

Howard Leights

.45 Pistol Boresnake

Shotgun Boresnake

and Midway has a really nice bag for a good price. They make different variations too if you want to look around.

That's all about $100 but it's a nice bag, ear protection, and some useful cleaning stuff but he'll still need patches and a cleaning kit. The shotgun would honestly be fine with just the bore snake especially if it's a pump at least for the time being unless he shoots a lot. Get something more pistol specific to keep that running nicely.

For the non moblie

Taking an introductory gun safety/technique course like the NRA First Steps Pistol course would definitely be a huge help to you. Look for one in your area.

Answers to your questions:

1. There is no danger to simply loading the magazines. The rounds will not go off unless you put a loaded magazine in the gun, rack the slide, and pull the trigger. I do not recommend putting a loaded magazine in the gun until you are more familiar with gun safety and handling.
   
   
2. Having an unloaded gun/magazines in a case with the ammo stored separately is legally the "safest" way to transport a firearm to the range. Keeping everything empty and the ammo separate will avoid any potential hassle, though your local laws may allow you to transport a loaded mag/gun.
   
   
3. Keep everything cased until you're at your port. It's likely a rule at the range and if it isn't, it's just good safety practice.
   
   
4. I suggest you invest in quality eye protection that meets MIL-PRF-31013 standards for ballistic protection. Eye protection that meets this standard will do a MUCH better job of protecting your eyes than ANSI Z87/regular eyeglasses will. This test sums it up pretty well. The TLDR is that the commonly seen ANSI Z87+ standard that most inexpensive eye protection is tested to isn't very relevant to the kinds of projectiles and velocities shooters deal with, and will have a much greater chance of failing when you need it the most. I like the Smith Aegis Echo because they fit extremely well under my favorite earmuffs.
   
   
5. Observe the rules of gun safety at ALL times. Bring/buy at least twice as much ammo as you think you'll need. Have fun.

Honestly, ear protection isn't incredibly important, but if you really want something that won't break the bank, just get something from Amazon. It won't work with any helmets as far as I'm aware but will fit over a baseball cap and other thin layers.

for the ear pro, get some electronic ones for the outer layer, and you can crank up the volume so you can still hear somewhat. I have these, and they're excellent

if the gun is in mint condition and you want to keep it that way, I'd say get a cheap hard case. I have some cheap ones and some expensive ones, and I'd say there's not much benefit to an expensive case unless you're protecting a delicate optic

as far as I know, any type of gun oil should be sufficient for any rifle.

I removed cosmo from my milsurps by soaking the metal bits in windex, but there are plenty of effective methods. I didn't bother with the wood though so can't help you there

tipton makes excellent cleaning products, I have their .30 cal carbon fiber rod and am satisfied

to avoid rusting during storage, give all the metal parts a light coat of oil before storage, and inspect it every week or two. I've been told that the foam in a hard case will attract moisture, so maybe store it outside the case

Howard Leight hearing protection. You still hear everything but are protected from stupidly loud sounds and it minimizes the pain from the drone. I’ve owned these for 8 years and they’re the best hearing protection/headphones for under $150.

Howard Leight Impact Sport OD Electric Earmuff, Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_1HUyzbDHM1K6H

To add to this, looks like they're on sale at Amazon for $40. I've been using these for a year and love them.

Personal preference as to what cuts down on the noise for you. I do cheap foam earplugs with a pair of electronic earmuffs on top: http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Impact-Electric-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456847484&sr=8-2&keywords=shooting+ear+protection

On hearing protection, try to get items actually marketed for shooting. Don't just use generic ear plugs, muffs or whatever as they won't block the correct types of sound frequencies efficiently or properly; whilst blocking others.

These are a strong favourite for over-ear muffs around here.

Some people will double these up with some in-ear plugs too.

Yeah they are for comms, adaptive noise cancellation for gunfire and can also amplify ambient sounds.

They aren't expensive either: https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Honeywell-Amplification-Electronic/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ (not the same model as in the picture but I'd assume a similar feature set)

Onto the discription! What this is is my grandfather's Winchester Model 290, which retailed for the very expensive price of $75 new in the 70's. I had shown an interest in firearms for years now, so on my 18th birthday my dad dug this out of the attic and said, "You get it working and we'll go shooting." Luckily there was a gun cleaning kit with it, also from the 1970s. I cleaned out the gun, and put 350 rounds of .22 through it with 2 minor feeding hiccups.

The range trip confirmed the barely adjustable plastic sights were indeed crap, as I had ascertained on the internet, and I ordered the cheap .22 scope with dovetail mounts for the gun. I don't expect it to be winning any accuracy awards and is going to be used as a plinker, so I didn't need a high budget, ultra clear scope. I ended up just going for the Simmons .22 mag It works. Nothing fancy.

I really just like how the rifle looks with a scope. It seems very natural and rounds out the look. I'll most likely go to zero it in the next few days.

I've had a few copies of this scope and it's awesome for the money. Doesn't break the bank and for what you'll be using it for, it's a great price.

The rings it comes with are junk though.

Yes you can, I have This on mine Very good squirrel popper.

any idea on how it compares to a simmons truplex .22 mag scope?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KOSB34/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have this one on my 22 right now but I cannot seem to get the crosshairs to focus with the target focused at the same time, one is always blurry...

I just bought this scope 4 weeks ago along with these rings. Great deal. 900+ reviews with 4.5 rating. I mounted it and it is truly a great scope.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KOSB34/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Rings: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000V2DNG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Rail: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CJ67E6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Total cost was like $60 on Amazon.

I'd suggest this, for the price, It's a great optic. I've been happy with mine. keeps it's zero perfectly. for 30 bucks I dont think you can go wrong with this

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KOSB34/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As a ‘Merican, I can tell you the answers is guns. Plano Protector Four Pistol Case is similar in size and will keep your Quest safe.

For smaller stuff like marbles and pendants I got one of these at a local sporting good store, I also cut the third not eggshell section they give you to fit a mini tube, torch and accessories I use to take to friends houses. I haven't purchased cases for my bigger pieces yet, but I'm looking at the Seahorse cases they seem like a decent, cheaper alternative to Pelicans, but then again I'm not super sure this is an area I want to skimp out on.

i use this to transport 50+ points of Khador

> My wife suggested a divided tea box to keep my eyepieces in; I like that idea.

It seems odd, but a four pistol case works great. It has foam you can cut to customize how you like.

Judging from this, and knowing that the strap is about 1.6 inches high (40mm for standard ski goggle straps); I would confidently wildly guesstimate that the DK2 is about 4.1 inches high.

I wonder if this, this, or this might work as cheap options? Althought they all seem to be cutting it very tight on the depth. I am assuming the DK2 would sit in the case like it would sit on a table (like the first photo above), and not facing upward like they packaged it in the DK1 case, since there are a lot less case options that would fit it that way (without being huge)...

I have one of those ebay metal cases for my photo gear. I'm guessing you would be able to fit two full DK2 kits in it. They look decent and are affordable, but I find mine to be a bit heavy (5.5 pounds empty) and a bit awkward to carry sometimes (if I load it heavy specially). Even though they look decent, there is something about the build quality that feels slightly cheap when you handle it; specially the locking hinges. Nothing terrible in particular, but it just doesn't have that awesome quality feel of expensive cases like an HPRC, a Pelican or a Seahorse would have. But it does get the job done.

We should really know the actual DK2 dimensions (plus the accessories) before choosing a case. The hardest dimensions to accommodate will be the depth, since most small cases are also shallow.

I have a few of THESE cases and they work great. I know there also the brand Pelican which is used throughout the lampwork community as well, but they are more expensive.

No input on the dab tool holder.

I have 3 of these that I got at Walmart for I think $12 each. One for Imperials, one for Rebels and the third for huge ships. I cut the bubble foam to fit the ships and store all of the cards, bases, etc. in more foam in the bottom.

http://www.amazon.com/Plano-Protector-Four-Pistol-Case/dp/B000P3WPKK
(I have also seen them at sporting goods / hunting stores)

Ships
Extras

I think this is it.

http://www.amazon.com/Plano-Protector-Four-Pistol-Case/dp/B000P3WPKK

You'll need to bags, one for your huge based models and one for your normal army. What I did was pick up a Plano 4 pistol gun case for $15 at Wal-Mart, and can fit my Judicator and both Vessels of Judgement(note my VoJ's are converted into hotrods so they're not very tall).

Then I put the rest of my Menoth army into a Battlefoam Go bag. Battlefoam is a bit expensive, but I've owned both Battlefoam and Army Transport bags, and Battlefoam is worth the extra money IMHO. For Battlefoam, I've had both a Go bag and a PP Warmachine Big Bag with wheels, I prefer the Go Bag as the pouch on the front of the Big Bag annoyed me to no end.

I had been looking at cases for a while (bag style and hard case) but couldn't find anything for a reasonable price. I was about to buy a tackle box and foam and do something similar to OP's until I found this --> http://www.amazon.com/Plano-Protector-Four-Pistol-Case/dp/B000P3WPKK

I bought it at acadamy for $14. It's not heavy duty, but for the price and size it is the best i found for under $30. I can post pic's of mine if anyone wants to see

I'm a big fan of these:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B000P3WPKK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

In my necron one I got a monolith 3 ghost arks, 2 annihilation barges and a triach stalker. They also fit 2 of the short slot foam GW uses.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000P3WPKK/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/186-2267086-8824724

I use these on the cheap. Gun carrying cases. I can normally fit about 2000 points in one case, or 9 Razorbacks, or a Stormraven and a Dreadknight with several Dreadnougts. The foam is soft and does not chip paint. Also there is no need to cut the foam if do not want to.

I just use a 17 dollar gun case I got on amazon. Works wonders and has tons of room. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000P3WPKK/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?qid=1369601942&sr=8-5&pi=SL75

$90

Well that we can’t disagree on.

A safe will cost you $85 on Amazon (I use this one and recommend it) and it is your responsibility, the owner, to purchase one. If anybody carries a gun because “you never know”, so I’ll encourage y’all to buy one of these, cause you never know when you might bump into a place where people may ban it, even for political matters.

Truth is politics will always play a role, so if we, gun owners do our shit correctly, I wanna see anybody pointing fingers at our guns.

>so i just want to be able to not have to spend absorbent legal fees defending myself.

For sure, the best solution would be to change the storage requirement laws, like how the storage requirements in Washington DC were recently struck down by our supreme court because they prevented people from legally storing guns accessible for self defense.

I'm just talking about your options for now, without any change to the laws.

>unlock your safe

Is there a requirement of what type of safe? Can you use the rapid unlock handgun safes, like this?

>(mag must not be in the gun during storage)

Do they inspect your storage periodically, and do you have warning of when such inspections will occur? I can't see how that could possibly be enforced in the US with our right against unreasonable searches. If you have a warning of when the inspections will occur you could make sure you were complying with the storage requirement just for the inspections, and if you have to use the gun in necessary self defense just lie and say it was unloaded.

>of course both of those options take time which as you know is very precious in a home invasion

Indeed, which is precisely why I'm suggesting you should break the law and be prepared to lie about it because they will be unable to prove you broke the law. We have a strong spirit of civil disobedience in the USA, and we consider an unconstitutional law to not be a binding law at all, we often simply ignore laws we don't agree with and are prepared to defend ourselves in the court of law from the consequences later if necessary.

Excellent suggestion. This button operated Microvault can be had on Amazon for under $100.

I have two young kids and keep my handguns in Gun Vault handgun safes. Pretty simple safes, not too expensive.
My wife has her gun in hers, and i have my EDC/ home defense gun in mine. They are small and fit perfectly in my night stand drawer.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1418241706&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/

I started with the Lee 50th Anniversary kit, and that has everything you need to get going (minus callipers and consumables) The scale is a pain in the ass but it works.


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Reloading won't save you much money but you will get more accurate loads with some work.

Search Ebay. You can find deals like this one or this one or you can get a brand new Lee for $70 or a whole kit minus the dies for $116

At this point he might as well buy brass and Lee Anniversary press.

I use a lee single stage https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Anniversary-Challenger-Kit/dp/B00162RM3E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1502891915&sr=8-3&keywords=lee+single+stage+press

That a better scale, a die set and a caliper is all you really need.

You do not need a tumbler but if you really want one harbor freight red rock tumbler is 39.00.

https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Anniversary-Challenger-Kit/dp/B00162RM3E

All you need is this, some molds/casts for the actual projectile and about 20 seconds per round with practice.

Me and my dad started with this Lee kit, but ended up replacing the stock scale for a digital one. And of course whatever dies you need. We do pistol mainly, but will eventually do .30-06 and .223 rounds.

You'll also want to get a good set of calipers, and a tumbler to clean brass.

Yeah No prob mate Gear from head to toe:

• Lancer Tactical PJ Helmet
  
• [Revision Desert Locust Goggles]
  (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=3263)
  
• these ear muffs aren't great that I have on now instead get the Impact Sport's muffs
  
• Condor MultiWrap
  
• Propper Multicam BDU's shirt pants
  
• Lancer Tactical JPC
  
• I don't like my holster and do not recommend it (its a valken) instead this is what i plan on getting, Warrior's universal holster

Tactical Tailor TTRAC plate carrier
AR500 Lighweight Level III+ Curved Buildup Coat plates front and back
Tactical Tailor roll up dump bag
AR500 Emergency Personal Injury Kit
Streamlight Sidewinder
Cheap-ass earmuffs
Circle 10 Bulgarian waffle magazines

For those that are not familiar with the mag pouches:
HSG TACO single rifle magazine pouches x3
HSG TACO double rifle magazine pouches
I originally had these:
Tactical Tailor 5.56 triple magazine pouch
Tactical Tailor 5.56 double mag pouch
They were replaced by the TACO pouches because AK mags did not fit well. I did steal their bungee cords to make the retention straps to hold the bottom of the mags from tilting forward.

Not shown:
Tactical Tailor backpack (Comes with attachment points for the vest and shoulder straps)
Tactical Tailor admin pouch (mounted to the back of the backpack)
Tactical Tailor 5.56 double mag pouch (mounted to the side of the bag)

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If you work in a loud environment it doesn't matter what age you are. I had my left ear drum blown out when I was 22 by unfortunately firing a 50cal way to many times. Why not invest into hearing protection?


https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Honeywell-Amplification-Electronic/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?keywords=hearing+protection&qid=1565508967&s=gateway&sprefix=hear&sr=8-5

These are amazing because you can hear someone whisper while blocking out damaging audio at the same time.

Do these look good? My friend had us use them, but we also added foam earplugs under them when firing his AR-15. Is that what you mean by foamies?


Do I need some kind of special brush or tool with the CLP cleaner? Thanks for all the help!

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312670501&sr=8-1 etc

My brother-in-law had a set of these. After a day at the range with his AR, the electronics were shot. These Leights a far better deal.

I own these and they are amazing.

I use Howard Leight electronic shooting muffs. They're super low profile and when you turn them on full blast, you can hear people talking and walking through the brush super far away. Or you can tune the volume to normal hearing level and you won't even remember you're wearing them. Two AAA batteries and they've lasted me playing six days of playing for six to eight hours at a time as well as going out shooting about a dozen times for a couple hours at a time.

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473351185&sr=8-1&keywords=howard+light+ear+protection

Even with a high budget i wouldn't buy anything else. There's a reason these have 9k reviews.

I'm speaking from the perspective of a career soldier/combat vet who's spent the past decade around weapons, firing indoors, with ear protection and without. I've suffered pretty extensive hearing loss over the years, and I attribute that to firing without ear protection. Under stress/arenaline, your shots will sound muffled and it won't even bother you. At the beginning of my career I only wore earplugs on the range, if I had them, but never in combat, as I didn't want to have to struggle to hear things while on patrol. I did this for years and it never bothered me, until I had an audiogram done for an aviation packet and I failed, multiple times. Since then I've been wearing electronic ear muffs religiously, and over the past three years, my hearing has improved enough to reset my baseline. Not like it was when I first joined the Army, but significantly better nonetheless.

Will firing a large caliber weapon indoors damage your hearing? Possibly. In my opinion you'll hear things muffled for the rest of the night and you'll hear some ringing that might last a day. But serious, noticeable hearing loss after one incident? It would probably depend on the firearm and the acoustics of the room. I forgot to put earplugs in before firing an XM107 on two different occasions, once on a range, and once in combat, and each time it felt like a bomb going off in my face.

Things you'll have to consider:

1. Do I have enough time to put my electronic ear muffs (this is the only ear pro I recommend in this situation) and turn them on?
   
2. Will I have the cognitive wherewithal to remember grabbing the ear pro and turn to it on under stress?
   
3. How important would it be for me to need to use sound to locate where a threat might be hiding? Electronic muffs, even the stereo ones, aren't that great for allowing you to detect the location of something via the noise it makes.
   
   My opinion. If you can manage to put on electronic ear muffs, do it. But don't sweat it. Focus on the threat.
   
   Here is an article discussing this very topic. I don't recommend purchasing the Peltors they suggest, there are cheaper ones out there in terms of cost. I use military Peltors with work because of their radio plugs and mic, and they're high quality, but I use these when I shoot recreationally, and they're just as good in my opinion. A helluva lot cheaper too. They even have an aux port to connect an mp3 player/phone when on the range.
   
   If you don't shoot recreationally often, and a pair of electronic muffs are going to just hang or sit near your bed for an extended period of time, remember to inspect the batteries periodically (every three months), as they may corrode inside the battery compartment.
   
   

From the looks of it they appear to be Howard Leight Impact Sports, which come with sound amplification (batteries required of course). You won't lose any awareness if you turn it on. In fact anecdotal evidence from myself and other users I've met points toward even more awareness of sounds of movement, as all the pewpew big sounds are filtered out, leaving behind rustling and footsteps.

What also funny is that in real life, this is not actually a problem. Soldiers and civilians alike have electronic hearing protection that deadens all noise and then amplifies sounds within a certain frequency and decibel range to allow you to function. In fact, some models are so good that when I turned the sensitivity all the way up, I can hear much better than a normal person. You can get a decent pair for $35

Get some quality earmuffs and ear plugs. Howard Leights aren't half bad entry level earmuffs, but if you've got the coin to spend get yourself some Peltor ComTac IIIs

For shooting I use electronic muffs. They block out loud noises and still let you hear normal volume sounds, like people talking. They have mics on the outside and speakers on the inside of the muffs. Only $30

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1493230434&sr=8-3&keywords=electronic+earmuffs

Those cheap in-ear plugs tend to have better noise reduction ratings (35ish) than over ear (25ish). HOWEVER, over ear is easier to use properly and get the full reduction from.

If you want to go fancy electronic muffs give both noise reduction and situational awareness/bionic hearing.

Are those skull candy in-ear headphones?...sonic defenders are pretty great but normal foamie ear pods work better, whichever generic flavor you prefer (on a sound decibel level that is, but not for reuse) personally I love the impact sports ear muffs as they can let you hear range commands/whats going on around you while providing protection. Im sure you already know that though/for those looking into improving ear pro its something often over looked

Yes, but I recommend amazon since they are cheaper here

Sure thing!

CZ P-07 (obviously) with 5 magazines

The Wilderness Frequent Flyer Belt 5-stitch 1-1/2" (looks a bit more casual than the usual instructor belt people wear, plus it's a bit cheaper)

Bladetech IDPA Competition Shooters Pack(Pretty good deal for a holster and mag pouch. I own a Bladetech Nano as well sometimes substitute that if I feel like practicing IWB. Most of Bladetech's products are available for CZ's, which is a nice change from other companies who tend to ignore them)

Howard Leight Impact Sport Electronic earpro(Almost everyone wears these, basically the standard)

Columbia Royce Peak Cargo Pants(Most comfortable pants I've ever owned. I use them for both work and shooting)

Casio W-214HC-4AVCF(You probably don't care, just being thorough!)

I just picked up these earplugs, I'm gonna compare them to my electronic dampening ones. Besides trying something new, I want something a bit more compact that also doesn't put pressure on my glasses. Either plugs drop the decibels to a manageable level. Indoor ranges are worse because of the sound reflection, try an outdoor one... my preference anyways.

I feel like after all this discussion the best idea is still to just put these by your gun.

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O

I have these and like them. I use them in my shop too.

Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Shooting Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_faSXBbJZJQGMJ

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O hearing protection could probably be better, but they work well enough for range and hunting, they don't interfere with cheek weld, and while hunting i can turn up the hearing to be slightly better than i can hear without them (albeit with imperfect frequency range and susceptibility to wind noise)

!Howie lights might still be 35 on Amazon I think

https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1543380056&sr=8-3&keywords=howard%2Bleight%2Bearmuffs&th=1

Green bois for $33

Here's a Vortex Sparc and 10 PMAGS for $199.99.

Or a Vortex Strikefire 2 with 10 PMAGS for $179.

Or if you're looking for budget this Bushnell TRS-25 is a good option for sub $50.

if you want to build it - link there also upgraded versions with better stocks/pistol grips etc.

If you don't want to build it - link ps this looks like a pretty rocking build.

With that complete lower and this upper (note this one has a bcg and charging handle) you are at 550. That should save you enough cash to buy iron sights or a budget red dot like bushnell or primary arms. does that fit your budget?

Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight Riflescope, 1x25mm, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_xuLmDb7QGQZ3V

TRS-25 $60

Atomic Arms Barracude Stock $179

Champion Stainless Bull Barrel $89

Ruger 10/22 Carbine $179

That's about $530 and basically my gun, which I really enjoy shooting and it turns heads all the time. Maybe an extended mag release would be a good idea.

Amazon usually has them less than $50. Use camelcamelcamel to get notified I got mine for $40 a month ago. They're $55 right now. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM

Bushnell TRS-25 is a quality budget red dot that would perform similarly to the Vortex.

Edit: you would probably want a riser to go along with it, though that's somewhat personal preference. Amazon has the TRS + riser for $60.

Billy Bob's raised their price, but there are other, less reputable sellers. For example:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM?m=A55NYGSXDQP7L&ref_=v_sp_widget_detail_page

https://smile.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Reticle-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM

$15.99 after rebate.

Looking for a cheap scope/red dot sight for my psa freedom rifle with an A2 front sight. I'm not looking for quality, just something that's about $40 or so and decent. This and this have good rating on amazon, anyone know if they're actually decent?

This has good ratings too.

Sure! I bought the rifle from an auction for $655 and it already had the telescoping stock and side rail (which I will still link).

[Muzzle Brake] (http://www.zahal.org/products/sa-vz-58-556-cal-muzzle-break?path_parent=278947)

Magwell Adapter

Side Rail

Short Optic Mount

Bushnell TRS Red Dot


Shoots very well, very little kick and have never had a FTE or FTF. I just got the red dot, so I'm excited to try that out soon.

You might have luck using the Bushnell trs-25, I have one on my AR and it is awesome for the price. Right now it's on sale for $69.99.

Could get a Bushnell TRS 25, I own one and its very good.
Its pretty small but can go very bright, the battery also lasts insanely long. I recently discovered Taofledermaus on youtube uses one on their guns.

https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Sight-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503106898&sr=8-1&keywords=trs+25

https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Optics-TRS-25-Hirise-Riflescope/dp/B00ABP8YCA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1503106898&sr=8-3&keywords=trs+25

My buddy has a Bushnell TRS on his first AR-15 and I have been quite impressed with it.

Make sure to get the riser with it too tho.
http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-1xRed-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM

Bushnell trs-25 is a great red dot that is extremely durable and only about $75.

https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Reticle-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM/

>You need to come up with a decent (non UTG airsoft shit) rail set up too. Do you actually mount anything beside a VFG? Do you even use a scope?

As far as optics go, I have this BSA 4x30 scope which I have used off and on between my Saiga and my AR15. I also have this Eotech XPS2, and this Bushnell TRS-25 red dot came in the mail today. The Eotech mainly stays on my AR, but I am excited to try out the TRS-25 on my Saiga - I've heard these work well. The Soviet style side mount hasn't worked well for me (mainly because the mount I bought was a piece of crap), so I was looking for something I could mount further forward.

As far as UTG goes, I understand there is a lot of resentment towards their company - but it seems just like the same type of blind resentment people have against Sigmas and Taurus'... People hate on things they've never tried or owned. I'm not saying that's the case with you, but it is with a lot of people. Leaper's / UTG is most definitely not an airsoft exclusive company, the majority of their products are geared for hunting/real steel shooting (real steel/hunting scopes, mil-spec buffer tubes, charging handles, rifle furniture, things that wouldn't work on airsoft guns/only work on real firearms, etc...). Although Leaper's (UTG) makes Airsoft accessories and items, the Saiga 7.62 quadrail is made for real steel firearms. I'm not even sure if anyone out there even makes a Saiga 7.62 airsoft gun?

I just have to ask you: have you even tried the UTG quadrail? I can understand hating on a company cause they've been branded as airsoft only but... you should really give it a chance before you knock it. It's light, it's sturdy, and it stays put. What else could be asked for in a rail? It's so tight, it hasn't budged a fraction of a millimeter since I put it on 3 years ago.

>Several good companies make Ace style stocks and once you have an internal ace adapter in place, you can mount all sorts of stocks, for example, mount a Magpul CTR stock and have it fold to either side. You will just never be able to go back to a standard AK stock.

>Also, this company makes decent AK folding mechanisms, which don't require you to cut the "tang" and are still nice and low profile:

>http://www.bonesteelarms.com/Saiga_c7.htm

I would love a CTR stock and one of those AR stock adapters, those look awesome. Forgive me for being forward here, but I just can't see myself anytime soon dropping $200-$300 on a stock & adapter for a rifle that originally cost me $250. I would love to do it, if I had the funds though. You can clearly see I made / converted this rifle on a budget :D

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Reticle-Riflescope/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449042597&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=bushnell+red+dor

Red dot from amazon https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00200E0HM/ref=olp_product_details/138-9863623-0009301?_encoding=UTF8&me=

This scope usually sells for around $149~$169 + taxes at most retailers in Canada.
You now save around 50% or more!

Currently you can get it on Amazon Canada for $99.89 + taxes (Free Shipping from amazon.ca / Prime eligible)

Then you get the $40 Trophy Bucks (Canadian) Mail-in Rebate!
"Through October 31, 2017, save $40 on any purchase of a Trophy or Trophy Xtreme product via mail-in rebate."

Getting this (awesome) Red Dot Sight for between $70 and $76 CAD after taxes (depending on province) is a phenomenal deal!

This Red Dot sight is for shotguns, rifles, handguns - and is not a cheapo air-soft model.

Enjoy!

estimated shipping was $10.85 for me. $66 delivered is pretty good for a TRS-25 these days. amazon is currently $68.25

I had a truglo for about 3 days. It was working fine out of the box, I put it on my gun, and put the gun away until I got some time to shoot. When I got my gun out to shoot, I turned the sight on and the reticle was blurry on all the settings (different reticles and different brighness settings). I returned it and got a Bushnell TRS-25. The Bushnell gets great reviews and is often recommended as a quality budget red dot.

Parts list-

Upper&Lower

Grip

Stock

16" Barrel

Handrail

Muzzle

Sling

Optic

Backup Sights

This covers most of the build. There's also a QD sling disconnect opposite the light, and a bipod mount up front. Was a blast to put together!

Get the $29.99 (after rebate) TRS-25 red dot sight and call it a day.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003TX2BD4?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00200E0HM/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

There is nothing better for the price than this https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00200E0HM/

I prefer the bushnell trs-25 to the pa microdot

I would think you want a turret for each caliber you are going to reload.
Turret

I could be wrong though, I'm not familiar with this press.
You also need a scale. This is what I use:
Digital Scale

You also need some sort of media separator
Cheap:
Separator
Less Cheap:
Enclosed Separator
These are just examples, you should shop around for the best price.

Just get a cheap frankford arsenal digital scale for about $30

Frankford Arsenal DS-750 Digital Reloading Scale https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002BDOHNA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_R2KWAbVV4YKQX

My reloading setup was based on budget. I spent about $147 total for my Lee Single Stage Press + extras. The only complaint I have is I wish the press was a little more accurate for speedier results.

Id like if anyone commented on high speed pressing components with high accuracy results. It would be nice to have but really just curious whats out there and what works.

Edit: incase you were curious ive listed my parts below

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BDOHNA/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GSLKIW/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002SF4X5I/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Deluxe-3-Die-Rifle/dp/B00162TEOE

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NOQIOU/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NOSGOU/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014136PA/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00162UGQE/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You may want to look into a turret style as it'll make things easier and faster. Like the Redding T7

www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000VNO2QO/

Also you may want to get a Frankford Arsenal digital scale it's 1/3 the price and has better reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002BDOHNA/

I'd go with the Frankford Arsenal wet tumbler it's easier, holds more and the brass is cleaner. Also no dust.

www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HTN4R6O/

Also get the Lyman kinetic bullet puller it's got a nice soft handle the collet puller is nice if you have a lot of them to do.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0037N6IXA/

And don't forget a case gauge for each caliber

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001QD9XQ2/

+/-.05gr? Shit. My scale only does 10ths :-\ I have a Frankford Arsenal too, which is supposed to be pretty good.

I must be doing something wrong with the powder measure though if I'm getting +/- 2gr

The Bushnell TRS-25 with this riser. Works great, real steel quality too. For BB protection get this, you'll need to glue it on or shim it with teflon tape so it doesn fall off

To expand on what /u/Lost_Thought said, the link you included has the standard mount that will result with a very close mount, like this or this.

If you want it mounted to better co-witness with your iron sights, you will need a rise mount that will end up looking like this.

The medium riser will co-witness with your irons. The high riser will give you a lower 1/3 co-witness.

These are the only two items (sight and one riser) you would likely need to purchase.

A TRS-25 with a UTG High riser will give you lower 1/3 co-witness.

If you do get the bushnell red dot definately get this with it UTG Riser

It will allow you to co witness with the irons. It's cheap and works just fine for the 22 (doesn't need to be bomb proof)

Not op, but would this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003TWZG4G/ref=pd_aw_sim_200_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=44WEMY5M76K70FNY3N99&dpPl=1&dpID=41uJyz%2BdAsL work as well

I just use surefire ear plugs. I've tried multiple ear muffs but they just have too many issues for me:

• Can't get a proper seal since I'm wearing glasses with thick frame
  
• Incredibly uncomfortable to wear because of glasses. Some muff have really strong band and create a lot of pressure against the glasses frame against my face
  
• Can't get a proper cheek weld since the muff would be riding on the stock. The stock would either push the muff out of the way or I can't put my head down close enough

These have been good for me and work when going to a the range too.

SureFire EP4 Sonic Defenders Plus filtered Earplugs, triple flanged design, reusable, Black, Medium https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004DH65RI/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_BNo4wbP924AVW

Not to hijack your guys convo, but I highly recommend a pair of these . Nice having something that's reusable (a pair last me about 5 months +/- depending on how much I ride) and they work great with a Sena to still let you hear your music while cancelling out wind and other non-essential outside noise

Others swear by disposables. The best option is really custom molded plugs to your ears, but I don't trust myself not eventually losing them enough to take that route

Whatever you go with, watch a quick video on how to properly insert ear plugs. It is astonishing how many people don't know how to put them in right!!

Find something that's heavy at the end, heavier than your rifle, and shoulder it a bunch of times just like you would your rifle. Do this for a few weeks and you'll increase your strength.

As to hearing protection, I recommend doubling up with equipment like this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004DH65RI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You'll still be able to hear perfectly without doing damage to your ears.

Let's see. I'm young, and attempting to care more about PPE in the shop (with varying success) so I'll do my best. I've got three systems I use somewhat regularly. An old pair of Stihl chainsaw muffs, some SureFire Ear Defenders, and one finger in my ear with the other pressed into my shoulder. I like and hate both of the products for a plethora of reasons, so here goes.


Stihl-
Effective when worn with limited protection. Put on some glasses and a respirator, and the noise very easily starts to get through some gaps. They're durable as all get out. The pads have held up well, there's no cracks, and these things haven't had an easy life. They're alright, but they're bulky and temperamental, resulting in me largely choosing glasses or a face shield over the discomfort of the muffs.


SureFire-
They're fantastic at blocking sound, wonderfully comfortable, and don't interfere with other protective gear. I've used them for shooting, sanding, driving nails in a confined space, and other things, with no complaints in terms of noise. Here's the thing. They're pretty easy to lose, and freaking nasty. There's probably a good way to clean them, but I don't know it. One use, and they certainly don't look appealing. Better pray you don't drop them, because then you're dealing with shoving sawdust or dirt right up your ear, in you don't spend a few minutes trying to clean them, first.

One thing I will say, and this was said well by Alec Steele, a blacksmith over on the youtube, is to Stop It With The Colors! I don't care if they're blue, green, pink, yellow, red, white, or any other color for that matter. They won't be that color for long. They'll start looking dirty, and as minor as it may be, sometimes it's hard to put on a dirty set of PPE. Granted, it's mostly a problem if it's a loaner or lesson set of ear protectors, but still. Also, no white foam on the inside. Sweat and dirt make that stuff super unappealing.

No problem. I use this:

UTG 3-9X32 1" BugBuster Scope, AO, RGB Mil-dot, QD Rings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005UGIMNQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_XWO.zb80JVB1E

I'm not sure if links are permitted here, so mods can take it down if they need to I guess. I'm not trying to sell these things, just giving an example of one that's worked well. I use my 10/22 as a squirrel gun, and I can take headshots at 30-40 yards with no problem. I'm sure other scopes would be the same.

Have fun!

UTG 3-9X32 1" BugBuster Scope, AO, RGB Mil-dot, QD Rings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005UGIMNQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_feT0BbX7A1S0J

I have a Ruger American Rimfire and have shot with a cheap Tasco and a slightly less cheap UTG.

Get it sighted in at 25 yds and you'll be able to kill anything in the 20-40 yard range with either one no problem. Or any other cheap scope for that matter.

Tasco Rimfire Series 3-9x 32mm 30/30 Reticle .22 Riflescope (Matte Finish) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000A0AHN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_ygT5RBcdZhqow

UTG: UTG 3-9X32 1" BugBuster Scope, AO, RGB Mil-dot, QD Rings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005UGIMNQ/

The UTG comes with flip-cap covers, a sunshade, and pretty good quality rings. I recommend.

>Got a link to the scope?

Here

Check out the UTG bug buster. It's $80 but I love it and it's amazing for the price.

https://www.amazon.ca/UTG-SCP-M392AOLWQ-Compact-Picatinny-Sunshade/dp/B005UGIMNQ

My scope was on sale for $130. Its a pretty good scope. Has red/green illumination, quick connect mounts, comes in a nice compact package with instructional manual, batteries and with flip up blinds and a sun shade.

The foregrip was given to me by a friend. I know nothing about it.

UTG Bugbuster is popular. Comes with rings which is something you don't get when you get into scopes approaching $200. Everything is custom and pricey up there.

A UTG "Bug Buster" scope:
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-9X32-BugBuster-Scope-Mil-dot/dp/B005UGIMNQ

$85, and it comes with nice QD rings (which don't fit on the Ruger rail, so you'll need the $10 aluminum one from UTG or any picatinny rail for the 10/22). It's 3-9x power, illuminated mil-dot reticle, adjustable parralax, 1/4MOA turrets that are zero resettable and lockable. Hell of a deal for the money. I've got one on my takedown and I love it.

That and some more mags and you're set to start with.

Nice, I opted for the UTG Bug buster. It allows me to fit it in the bag with the scope still attached.

Thanks! I didn't know what AO was. And I do notice the crosshairs shift when I move my head. So it must be the parallax. You saved me $115. Is this the scope you recommend?
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-9X32-BugBuster-Scope-Mil-dot/product-reviews/B005UGIMNQ/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

Anything below being a professional fighter and it's very unlikely that anyone will beat up someone larger then themselves, if a 6'4" breaks into my home, the odds are that I cannot defend myself in any form of hand-to-hand combat, I'd get my ass kicked regardless of how good a fighter I am for my weight.

I agree that firearms should be stored safely, but that doesn't make them impossible to get to, here is a safe that only takes pressing a finger against a scanner and can hold a pistol and 1-2 magazines.

Also, again, the whole ability to defend myself from gross abuses of power is a pretty neat perk. In an ideal world, sure, nobody would need a weapon, but we don't live in a perfect world, we live in the one that we have and have to live with that reality, not our fantasy.

I have this one attached to my nightstand and it's perfect.

I also think outright bans aren't the answer. I think more restrictive gun control is definitely in order though. One thing that would definitely help is to require that firearms be kept locked up when not in use. A pistol adequately secured in the bedroom should be more than enough to make you feel secure without leaving yourself open to being robbed by someone and having your guns distributed to criminals. It will also reduce the rash of accidental child-related shootings. I would also like to see more comprehensive background checks, including more rigorous record keeping and better access to mental health and non-judicial disciplinary records. I also think a national firearm registry would be in order, as well as a removal of the ban on the CDC to study gun violence. All of these things will absolutely help us to better understand what can be done.

You are correct that in a country where there are more guns than people, a blanket ban is not going to work at all. However, there are steps that can be taken, that are being ignored because of the interests of the firearm industry. I support anything that decreases the number of firearms in our country, as I don't think your average person is responsible enough to handle them with the care they require. However I also recognize that there are millions of legal gun owners who do take proper care of their weapons, and as long as they hold up their end of the bargain, I don't think they need their guns stripped away.

My point is more toward the statistics behind guns as self defense. If you're looking at pure numbers, owning a gun is far more dangerous than not owning one. It increases your chance of being murdered, it can be stolen and redistributed into the criminal ecosystem, and it can be accessed by a child and end in tragedy. All of this for the chance to protect yourself from an incredibly unlikely scenario. However, if you're willing to take the steps to legally and safely keep the gun, then I suppose it's your choice to take the risk.

> I suppose I should practice though

Yes, yes you should. It's good that they're in a safe since you've said you've got kids. You could perhaps look into one of the bedside safes that use biometrics for easier access, like a SpeedVault or a Hornady RapidSafe.

There's another one I can't find at the moment, but it mounts to any vertical surface, and pops the handgun up with the grip facing your hand, ready-to-grab.

As I have smaller children, I needed something that was a bit more "safe" than just velcro'd to my nightstand (which I did before they arrived). I switched out to a GunVault SpeedVault SV500. Its small, I actually bolted it to the back of my nightstand. Opens easy, drops down for a quick grab of my pistol. It would keep most robbers from even knowing its there (who looks behind a nightstand in a smash-and-grab...they generally just toss the drawers), keeps it away from the kids but keeps it quite easy to access. Costco has them often for less than $100 (they are $123 on Amazon right now)

PEW PEWWW

Under CA law:
If you leave your gun laying around and a child obtains your firearm and uses it, you will be convicted of a crime. This does not apply if your child breaks into your safe (seriously... here's a link http://law.justia.com/codes/california/2013/code-pen/part-6/title-4/division-4/chapter-2/section-25105).

I don't think CA has given us any requirements (i.e. thickness of metal, type of lock, etc.) to what 'locked container' means.

I would go with something that is fully enclosed, has a combo lock (so you don't have to find a key at 3AM), that your child can't realistically get into, and can be bolted to something.

Here are a few that I like.

1. https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1481427521&sr=8-2&keywords=velocityvault
   
   
2. https://www.amazon.com/SHOT-LOCK-1911-Handgun-Solo-Vault/dp/B009OGLG04/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1481428075&sr=8-8&keywords=shotlock
   
   
3. https://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-Original-Handgun-Pistol/dp/B00V6TDX4E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1481428101&sr=8-3&keywords=fort+knox
   
   There are reviews all over youtube for all of these models. Good luck!

Concealment of the gun is 9/10 of the battle. Just don't put it somewhere obvious. We all refer to a "nightstand" gun but it's not sitting in a pedestal, under glass, on a nightstand.

Some people have a bedside holster that tucks into the mattress. Some people have a quick-release safe on their nightstand or in a drawer in the nightstand.

https://smile.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481139094&sr=8-1&keywords=bedside+gun+safe

https://smile.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1481139094&sr=8-5&keywords=bedside+gun+safe

As to being inebriated, that's more of a self-control thing. Don't touch the gun when you're drunk. Period.

I'm getting a SpeedVault. It's going to be bolted between my headboard and nightstand.

You should consider a GunVault SV500 SpeedVault. It's relatively inexpensive and reliable. This is what I store my EDC in when I get home from work. I have 2 small children.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006OGNLKA?keywords=Gun%20safe&qid=1450136963&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2 works well for me.

Howard Leight Impact Pro ear muffs (the big ones) are $45.

Edit: lightening deal, ends at 2pm central.

These have a higher NRR rating and at a cheaper price:

https://www.amazon.ca/Howard-Leight-R-01902-Amplification-Electronic/dp/B007BGSI5U/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1497132944&sr=1-2&keywords=howard+leight

Maybe they're knockoffs? I have a pair already so I'm not in the market anyways.

I use Howard Leight Impact Pro earmuffs as I too was a tad concerned at the Impact Sport's NRR of of 22. The Pro earmuffs have a significantly better NRR of 30 and while they're wider, I don't notice any difference in cheek weld compared to the Impact Sport version.

This is what I use in conjunction with surefire sonic defenders. Works really well.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007BGSI5U
http://www.amazon.com/Surefire-Defenders-Filtered-Earplugs-Medium/dp/B009T9QXXQ/ref=pd_bxgy_sg_text_y

These have been good to me:

http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-R-01902-Electronic-Shooting-Earmuffs/dp/B007BGSI5U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427107719&sr=8-2

I've heard some recommend this:

https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1518988075&sr=1-5&keywords=grip+tape

And yeah I might look about swapping it out if I end up deciding this is the mouse for me.

It is rubberized. Cheap and really makes a difference. Used on iPhone too because it kept slipping out of my hands.
https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA

Just checked the internals; the mod is certainly feasible. Imgur album with extra info for anyone interested.

I'll be using this grip tape from amazon, unless anyone has better suggestions.

The Scimitar really does feel amazing though. I'm also looking forward to it being slightly thinner to grip and even slightly lighter in addition to the extra sense of security of having a sturdy side grip to press on.

I do this on a set of aero road bars. I do it less for gripping them and more for being able to IAB on them. I also do not use skateboard grip tape, I use this gun grip stuff which isn't as abrasive and lasts forever (https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1499852130&sr=8-4&keywords=gun+grip+tape)

I got flamed and downvoted when I tried posting this before, but I will try again.

I got the new Rhinoshield bumper and REALLY like it with the exception that it slips easily out of my hand when trying to pull it out of my pocket.


I found this grip tape on Amazon and applied a thin strip of it along the "grip spots" on the bumper and now it is perfect. You cannot even tell that it is not built into the bumper. They should add one with extra grip.


https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487340777&sr=8-2&keywords=gt5000+grip+tape

Buy one of these: GT-5000 (3 strips) Grip Tape for guns, cell phones, cameras, knives, tools - makes anything "Grippy". https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_JPNrzb9S7WF1W

Then use masking tape (or painters tape) to make a "mold" of the shape of the Joetsu Grip that you will use to cut the Grip Tape. You'll spend about an hour to make a custom skin for the Joetsu Grip but the result is very satisfying.

I don't have the Joetsu Grip but I do have a RC controller that's made from slippery plastic and I know how frustrating it is to try to hold something like that for long periods. I also have a Vita grip but I'm only using it for the back triggers.

I use this and it just works :D

GT-5000 (3 strips) Grip Tape for guns, cell phones, cameras

The one thats linked is the "silm" http://www.amazon.com/SUPCASE-Release-Unicorn-Premium-Protective/dp/B015X90UJS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452392332&sr=8-1&keywords=supcase+6p

you can get one one thats not frosted and is pure black http://www.amazon.com/SUPCASE-Release-Unicorn-Premium-Protective/dp/B015X90VGK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1452400067&sr=8-3&keywords=supcase+6p

then i got this http://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-phones-cameras-knives-tools/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1452400163&sr=8-2&keywords=gun+grip maybe excessive but the reviews hype the tape up a lot so maybe a strip down the sides and the case will be good.

As a fellow flipper I'm going to recommend fucking around with some grip tape. Something like this. http://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-phones-cameras-knives-tools/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1452065743&sr=8-3&keywords=grip+tape You can do a lot with a Zippo that has great grip in some places and a good slip on others. It's cheap enough to rip it off and try more in a different places.

https://www.amazon.com/GT-5000-strips-phones-cameras-knives/dp/B00ATH0KEA/ref=pd_sim_200_5?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00ATH0KEA&pd_rd_r=1SRDPZ3FW5K757PATNXY&pd_rd_w=Cvl6G&pd_rd_wg=xRlFG&psc=1&refRID=1SRDPZ3FW5K757PATNXY

this is what i had bought, it had prime shipping back when I bought it

Yeah, I get what you mean. The corner of the smallest pad on mine kept peeling back even early on because my ring finger would kinda brush up against it. I can definitely say the adhesive on this stuff is really strong!
Here's the link to the one I got:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ATH0KEA

I purchased this but not yet applied.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ATH0KEA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have the Bushnell. Its just above your price range, but I'm really happy with it.

Bushnell Optics FFP Illuminated BTR-1 BDC Reticle Riflescope with Target Turrets and Throw Down PCL, 1-4x 24mm https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6EIIY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_r2MJyb4CMQTXS

And you need to buy rings too. So price ends up being around $300.

On my rifle. https://imgur.com/DdBA6MC

Like the others said, for under $200 I'd go with some decent iron sites though. Can never go wrong with that

I got this in a primary arms premium mount and butler caps for around $200 shipped. It's more than good for what you need, and pretty much any similar optic that will be recommended will do you well.

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Illuminated-Reticle-Riflescope-Turrets/dp/B00AU6EIIY

https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Illuminated-Reticle-Riflescope-Turrets/dp/B00AU6EIIY

This is the one i'm going to grab when i scare up some fun money from the wife. I sold my Strikefire for the same astigmatism reasons

This.
Bushnell AR Optics FFP Illuminated BTR-1 BDC Reticle AR-223 Riflescope with Target Turrets and Throw Down PCL, 1-4x 24mm https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6EIIY/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_Qs-rub0SNX9JY

I got one of these Bushnell's. 1-4, illuminated reticle, and 200 bucks on sale from 420 off amazon!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6EIIY/ref=pe_385040_127541860_TE_dp_1

Did you ever get that Vortex elsewhere? If not, I've been pretty happy with this.

Bushnell AR Optics FFP Illuminated BTR-1 BDC Reticle is going for $189 nowadays (last week it was $189)... That's about $50 cheaper than the PA one.

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Illuminated-Reticle-Riflescope-Turrets/dp/B00AU6EIIY

Non-mobile: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6EIIY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1426591114&sr=8-1&keywords=1-6+scope&pi=AC_SY200_QL40

^That's ^why ^I'm ^here, ^I ^don't ^judge ^you. ^PM ^/u/xl0 ^if ^I'm ^causing ^any ^trouble. ^WUT?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AU6EIIY

It's one of these. Although it was like 289 when I bought it so at this point it's down to the price of a nice replica scope. It's very nice for airsoft, ffp is really cool and very surprising to see in an optic this inexpensive.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AU6EIIY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1426591114&sr=8-1&keywords=1-6+scope&pi=AC_SY200_QL40

I like my Bushnell FFP 1-4x24 on my Sig556. Target turrets in .1Mil clicks and damn good glass for the money. I have the model with the cat tail pre-installed for highspeed paper punching.

I use this this one. I like it a lot. It's quite popular too.

http://www.amazon.com/Maglula-UpLula-Magazine-Loader-Unloader/dp/B0187CVJC0

http://www.cabelas.com/product/th-Anniversary-Breech-Lock-Challenger-Kit/740258.uts?productVariantId=4322421&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=37-164967157-2&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=04275035&rid=20

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Riflescope-tilted/dp/B00CIY7JAU

https://www.magpacker.com/

Just my .02

Magazine loader, beginners reloading kit, bushnell trs25 for his 10/22 and what I got for my birthday from my wife and I love it. She got me the upgraded wood on the Mag Packer and that thing is awesome

Amazon for $60. I don't know why I was thinking $50 sorry

I do remember hearing about a difference between TRS-25 models of a different age (or manufacture location) and being able to potentially tell the difference by the color of the lettering.

I honestly can't remember if mine has white lettering or not, but a quick GIS seems to show that it's relatively common in the sight picture.

EDIT: After knowing that I had read about it somewhere, the Amazon Listing was where I saw the info about the adhesive. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Bushnell Trs-25. Wait for a sale.


EDIT: https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Trophy-TRS-25-Riflescope-tilted/dp/B00CIY7JAU

I definitely didn't want anything magnified, just a red dot. When I said Bushnell Trophy I meant the TRS-25 not the hunting scopes lol

As before, the Scorpion EVO3A1's a truly epic gun; you should definitely read the website ASG put together for it which explains what's so special about it. I put together a quick list for a friend who was thinking about getting one a while back; here's what was on it:

Status | Product | Cost | Comment
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Mandatory | ASG CZ Scorpion EVO3A1 | $400 | Perfectly suited for both CQB and field play, this is one of the best AEGs in the world at present.
Optional | ASG Speed Trigger | $30 | Some don't like the plastic trigger supplied with the gun. This CNC-machined-from-billet alternative is tougher and has a shorter pull.
Optional | ASG Steel Spring Guide | $20 | The gun now comes with a steel spring-guide as standard,
Optional | ASG Mainspring (M90/M120) | $15 | ASG offer two strengths of spring for the EVO3A1. One (likely M120, equating to ~400FPS) will be supplied with the gun; you may want to buy the other (M95, equating to ~330FPS) so you're able to play at most common site limits. The spring can be changed in a few seconds with just an Allen key. The EVO3A1 is also compatible with regular AEG springs as long as they are not shorter than the factory ones (this can cause premature engagement).
Mandatory | ASG 75rd Midcap Magazine (x3) | $60 | Three plus the one supplied with the gun for a combat load of four. If you want, you can pick up another three for a total of seven.
Mandatory | Turnigy Nano-Tech 11.1V (3S) 25~50C LiPo Battery (x3) | TBA | The gun has a built-in FCU with MOSFETs, and is designed (and should be) to run on 11.1V LiPo batteries. Although ASG make a slightly larger battery they're more than twice the price and have an inferior Coulomb rating. You'll only need two batteries for a day's play, but for $11 each you may as well pick up a spare.
Mandatory | Turnigy E3 Compact 2S/3S LiPo Balance Charger | $13 | This is a simple balance charger. It won't do clever things like charge to storage voltage, or fast-charge, or discharge, and it will only charge 2S/3S LiPos - but it is very cheap and simple to operate.
Mandatory | Turnigy DLUX LiPo Balancer/Tester | $12 | This balances the individual cells of the battery (preventing one from dropping below the 3.0V minimum) and will tell you the remaining capacity of the entire battery and the voltages of the individual cells (likewise).
| Total: | $553 |

I also included a short list of accessories for how I would personally accessorise the gun - this isn't necessarily the best way to do it and your choices are very much up to you:

Status | Product | Cost | Comment
---|---|----|----
Optional | Xcortech X3300W Advanced BB Control System | $125 | A truly amazing system that incorporates round counter, tracer and chronograph functionality. It will tell you how many rounds are left in the magazine, which is especially useful with the Scorpion's relatively low-capacity mid-caps. Watch it in action here.
Optional | ASG 18-14mm Thread Adapter | $17 | Required to fit most airsoft suppressors (including the X3300W) to the EVO3A1.
Optional | Bushnell TRS-25 | $75 | The best budget red-dot scope on the market and very well-suited to the compact EVO3A1. The TRS-25 Hi-Rise ($90) comes with a tall mount (there are better-looking options available) which will allow you to get a good sight picture even with a poor cheek weld owing to lower-face protection, and will also allow you to mount the X3300W's command/display unit on the top rail without obscuring the sight picture.
Optional | Element M300AA | $40 | A clone of the SureFire M300 Mini Scout Light, modified to use AA (rather than CR123A) batteries.
Optional | Element Tape Switch | $20 | A clone of the SureFire SR-07 rail-mounted tape switch - lets you put the switch where your thumb is, on the other side of the gun to the flashlight.
Optional | MagPul Rail Light Mount (Right) | $30 | Mounts the flashlight up and out of your way, and fits in with the XTMs. Minus the crappy optic, substituting the crap flashlight for the M300AA, and plus the X3300W and rail panels it would look a bit like this.
Optional | MagPul XTM Enhanced Rail Panels | $8 | Protects the rails and makes the gun more comfortable to hold.
Optional | MagPul XTM Hand Stop Kit | $20 | Protects the rails and makes the gun more comfortable to hold.
Optional | ASG Scorpion EVO3A1 Soft Carry Case | $40 | Usually neglected by airsofters, and usually to their cost, this is suitable for travel and storage.

You'd need to add 4x AAA batteries (for the tracer/chronograph unit), 3x AA batteries (for the command/display unit and for the flashlight), polycarbonate lens protectors for the flashlight and the RDS, and you'd be done.

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_HuBIAbQ8RXFR1

Here ya go, I use this Plano case with my RPR and LOVE it. Only $66 too. It fits perfectly with the stock folded.

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch (Previous Generation) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.esjDb9GJ5F50

In this album are pictures of the gun in the case. Very durable.

https://imgur.com/gallery/VXxy4Wq


They have a new generation of the case out but this one was just fine for this rifle, it’s cheaper too for 64$ now

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun Case, 42-Inch (Previous Generation) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_VRwEDb5JZKJ1R

Well, I feel stupid. lol

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_ag3qO4ggurZuE

Ordered it from Amazon and just got it in the mail today.

Plano All Weather Tactical Gun... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E2217I6?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Here is a suggestion. I don't own it, but I've heard great things and you can't beat the price.

https://smile.amazon.com/Plano-Weather-Tactical-Case-42-Inch/dp/B00E2217I6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499881283&sr=8-1&keywords=plano+all+weather+tactical+gun+case+42-inch

That Pelican that leftnose linked is a much nicer case, but I picked this one up when it was on sale for $60. It protected my gun well on the few flights its been on.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E2217I6/

I also used these locks with it. 3 locks that can all open with the same key.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G7P3A2W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

CORRECTION:

I ordered this one, same price about, but better case.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E2217I6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00E2217I6/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Weird. I can still get there by clicking on "other sellers" and selecting the 59.99 prime listing.

This is what I use now. I got a great deal on it when someone at Amazon fucked up and listed it for $32, but even at $65 it's a great deal. Tons of room to expand your collection and hold misc gear. IMO it's more space efficient than a typical eyepiece case (which often has two layers of foam that only get utilized if you stand your eyepieces straight up, or deliberately stack them in two layers).

A rifle case lets you lay all of your eyepieces and equipment out flat without wasting much room, or requiring you to dig into multiple layers of foam to get gear at the bottom.

If the idea of a 36" rifle case isn't your thing, then the next best option is the Plano Extra Large Seal Tight case. I have two of the previous versions of these made by Doskocil that have lasted me 25 years (including the foam). They are the best value of this style of case you can get. The Harbor Freight 4800 is cheaper, but the foam is really fragile and will start pulling apart over time.

https://www.amazon.com/Plano-Weather-Tactical-Case-36-Inch/dp/B00E221A88/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481813123&sr=8-1&keywords=plano+case I just remembered!

Pelican makes a nice case. I keep mine locked, and the case itself is chained to an eyebolt in a discrete place.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E221A88?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

And you can get a chamber lock:
http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-GUNVAULT-MAGVAULT-Breech-Orange/dp/B004YY6Z4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449716680&sr=8-1&keywords=magazine+lock

Plano All Weather

Dude this one is great! Don't bother shelling out $300 on a Pelican case or anything fancy. I got this one on Amazon for $60. I'll fetch a link if you're interested...

Plano All-Weather Tactical Gun Case 36in

It's a case from Amazon you can buy, https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E221A88/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I saw them earlier when I was looking for one as well, but I forget the website. The one I saw was pick & pluck foam and listed for $67 and some change. Figure with tax and shipping it'd be about $75.

edit: Saw this just now. Good deal...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E221A88/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Mine is a cheap amazon knock off, and I was originally going to avoid those, but a gun nut channel on youtube gave it glowing reviews so I dropped the few bucks on it.

I absolutely love it, both the sight and mount I got hold zero quite effectively, and it comes with all you need like variable brightness and zero controls.

It likely won't hold up to rigorous torture tests, but for what I use it for, WELL worth the money.

I’ve used this cheap ass red dot for about 8 months of play and it has been fantastic.

FieldSport Micro Red Dot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_EDq8yb6XMT8XS

This is the best, cheap red dot ever. You'll have to buy a riser for co-witness, but even then you are under $40. There's also a video of some dude torture testing this sight and having it work perfectly.

Get this. FieldSport Micro Red Dot Sight, Precision Red Dot Only No Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_43p8AbKGAY08E

I have a Yankee Hill rear flip up on one of my builds that I really like. But it was like $75 just for the rear.

Or, I know I'll get crap for this, there's a cheap $20 red dot on Amazon that's actually pretty tough. Nobody's expecting you to spend as much on an optic as you are on the rifle. Yet. My buddy put an ACOG on his M&P15 and I think it's crazy his optic costs twice as much as his rifle. But maybe I'm just jealous.

For $200 I recommend this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AWB3DIM/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

for $20 I recommend this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I own both, and so far both have been reliable, you'd think the $20 one would be a POS but it is surprisingly well built. And if you aim it at a mirror in dim light the red dot in the scope is almost impossible to see... meanwhile, the Votex one is very obvious, almost like you're pointing a laser towards someone, so for stealth the cheaper one is better. But for build quality and toughness I am guessing the Votex is superior.

Sig Sauer Romeo 5

https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-SOR52001-Romeo5-Compact/dp/B01C95I8N4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518642957&sr=8-1&keywords=Sig+Sauer+ROMEO5

that is.,..way too expensive...https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-SOR52001-Romeo5-Compact/dp/B01C95I8N4

Sig Sauer SOR52001 Romeo5 1x20mm Compact 2 Moa Red Dot Sight, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C95I8N4/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_9Pb1CbHGSW0WG
$126.00

Sig Sauer Romeo 5

I’m just trying to help you out here. Hate to see you realize that you’ve set this thing up like trash before it’s too late.

All you gotta do is swap a light and sight and take a couple things off and you’re fine. If anyone you are the one who’s mad.

Here’s a better sight:


https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-SOR52001-Romeo5-Compact/dp/B01C95I8N4

And here’s a better light


https://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/flashlights-accessories/weapon-lights/protac-rail-mount-prod84776.aspx

It’s okay to setup a rifle wrong, as long as you recognize that something is a bad idea and fix it.

Holosun micro red dots are very lightweight and have battery lives approaching aim points. Almost all are sub-$200 and some models have solar panels that will work in daylight even without a battery. My brother has been using one on an AR for two or three years with no issues.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00U2KMVCI/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1494254922&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=HOLOSUN&dpPl=1&dpID=41Vd0EzK5ZL&ref=plSrch


I've also heard that the new sig microdots are also a great value at $160: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01C95I8N4/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1494254922&sr=8-10&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=HOLOSUN&dpPl=1&dpID=318JNJ36k8L&ref=plSrch

Trijicon night sights , fine at the range too

I use Winchester for my g17 at the range too (big 5 has some good sales from time to time)

Earplugs bother me so i bought these electronic earmuffs

Also don’t go ham on hollow points for home defense i bought a small box from turners for like 25$ and have two clips stored bedside

I'll find the Amazon link. They were called Howard something.


Looks like they went up in price to $50, but these are them

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415113977&sr=8-1&keywords=howard+ear

Amazon also price matched
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417354667&sr=8-1&keywords=howard+leight

I had ordered these guys https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O?m=A2UHKBU1VZV3GVref_=v_sp_widget_detail_page

$40: Howard Leights

$12: Retevis PTT Mic

$5: Amazon 3.5mm Aux

$57 total to flesh out your radio setup.

This is a little pricey but in my experience has improved the overall shooting experience: https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Impact-Electric-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=pd_sbs_328_5?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B001T7QJ9O&pd_rd_r=Z9PXQBD9V8ZN875W7BNV&pd_rd_w=S6qwk&pd_rd_wg=ryX7Y&psc=1&refRID=Z9PXQBD9V8ZN875W7BNV

'electric' earmuffs block the sonic blast of firearms but still allows that person to clearly hear questions and orders which is extremely important to new shooters during their first visit to the range. They're going to be out of their element, unsure of exactly what to do or how to act. Wearing earplugs or regular muffs that muffle all sound won't help. If they double up on hearing protection, they may not flinch every time a firearm discharges but everyone will be trying to communicate by yelling or performing pantomime which will ratchet up the stress level. Being able to talk & hear a conversation at normal speaking volume will go a long way to everyone staying safe and enjoying the trip.

I have these that serve dual purpose for shooting and shop time. Might be more than you wanna spend but they're great for not having to take them off anytime someone comes into the shop (or talks to you at the range) and they've got the jack for MP3 players/phones.

I'm just going to use this space to write a potential post and then copypasta it to the mods, see if they wanna use it.

Hello! This is sk8s's guide to the holidays!

You're probably here looking for gift ideas for the gun enthusiast in your life. Now, each individual person is unique and preferences, but here's a little launching pad to get you started.

Here is a list of stocking stuffers for the shooting enthusiast in your life, in no particular order.

• Ammo - Can't shoot a gun if you don't have ammo for it. Know what caliber (size) of ammo to get. If it's a handgun or a rifle, most guns won't be terribly picky about what brand it is. Depending on the caliber, the prices can vary greatly. A box of practice 9mm (50 rounds) will be in the $10-15 range, whereas a box of practice .45 ACP (50 rounds) will cost about $20-$25. Whether it's bulk practice ammo or a box of match grade ammo, it will be enjoyed immensely.
  
  
• Eye and ear protection - I have a pair of these in my bag as a loaner pair (and I use them frequently if I forget my nice pair). Lucky Gunner has a fairly comprehensive guide for eyepro. As for hearing protection, Gunnit recommends the Howard Leight Impact Sport electronic earmuffs. I have them, I love them. A pack of regular foam earplugs is great as well for doubling up at an indoor range.
  
  
• Targets - Gotta have something to shoot at. A pack of paper targets makes a great, cheap stocking stuffer. I like the Shoot-n-see targets for when I'm shooting with friends, and these for when I'm trying to shoot the best I can. However, there can be something quite satisfying about hearing the ring of a bullet hitting steel. If the person has a .22LR, this is an incredibly fun target. My buddy and I have shot well over 2000 rounds at his, and it's just as fun every time. For a centerfire handgun or rifle, check out MOA targets for some great steel targets.
  
  
• Range bag - gotta take all the crap to the range in style! The most recommended range bag here is the Midway USA compact competition range bag. My favorite bag that I've seen (and will probably buy soon) is the GPS Range Bag, but that's because I'm anal about organizing my crap.
  
  
• Range membership - Range fees can be very expensive. A range pass or membership allows the shooter in your life to go whenever they want!
  
  
• Concealed weapons permit class - Has someone in your life been in a situation where they wished they had a gun to protect them? Is someone looking to have gun to prevent that situation from happening? Pay for them to go get their concealed weapons permit. They may or may not carry, but if the state allows it, it is never a bad idea to have such a permit. You know, just in case.
  
  Now, these are all just some generic questions and are not intended to be a one-size-fits-all solution (though I'm of the opinion that nobody will turn down ammo). Feel free to comment if you have any questions and we can help you out! Happy holidays!
  

May I recommend:
http://www.amazon.ca/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O

Always double up. Electronic muffs over earplugs.

Not only do you get better protection, but crank the muff volume up and you can hear basically normally and enjoy how funny everyone else sounds talking with earplugs in.

Howard Leight Impact Sports are only $36 at Amazon

Buy foam plugs in bulk they're less than $0.10 a pair.

You'd have to be a super mega cheapskate to blow your hearing over saving the cost of 1 box of ammo.

Garden variety Howard Leights. Don't recall what I paid for mine, but they go on sale from time to time. Camelcamelcamel says they have been as low as $26. I've picked up a couple pairs over the years of browsing /r/gundeals.

This. http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Impact-Electric-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450671410&sr=8-1&keywords=hunting+ear+protection

No they aren't really sufficient for shooting skeet db reduction wise. With foam earplugs underneeth they are close. These are:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sxr_rr_xsim_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3513574162&pd_rd_wg=nXGp2&pf_rd_r=WZ081GFKX8Z6C1214RDB&pf_rd_s=desktop-rhs-carousels&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B001T7QJ9O&pd_rd_w=4Ar7I&pf_rd_i=noise+ear+muffs&pd_rd_r=6ae04431-6160-4636-ac43-24e9a11d2548&ie=UTF8&qid=1520057296&sr=1

If you want something tacti-cool and functional for both look for Peltor Comtacs or Sordins.

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344408549&sr=8-1&keywords=ear+protection

You're welcome.

Already exists. See any active ear muff used at the gun range.


https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1481553965&sr=8-3&keywords=hearing+protection

Howard Leight ear muffs are decent if you were curious as to what was being referenced. I have a pair and they're amazing

Yup. Impact Sports.

http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O

Howard Leight Impact Sport

Howard Leights on sale at amazon for $60

Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Shooting Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_SZiWzbHMCHAQ8 They have a headphones input as well.

I have a baofeng ham radio with a remote speaker/mic that I plug into my ear pro. I also have the extended battery and antenna

edit: links

My experience has shown that NOT to be the case. And I know I'm not imagining things because the NRR numbers listed on Amazon clearly show a difference between electronic and passive:

• Walkers Razor Slim - 23 NRR
  
  
• Howard Leight - 22 NRR
  
  
• Beretta Prevail - 25 NRR
  
  
• Peltor Shotgunner II - 24 NRR

for valentines day last year I bought some targets and used them as wrapping paper for my husbands gift, then I bought him pair of electronic range headphones (it cancels out shots but you can still hear talking), some ammo, more targets for him to actually use, and chocolate (cant go wrong with chocolate). but those headphones are amazing for a day at the range.


https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479406082&sr=8-1&keywords=gun+range+headphones

Electronic earmuffs, they blockout all sound and then you have a volume knob for how loud the world is. They block out any sounds above a certain decible range but allow you to hold a conversation in a loud enviornment. Here are the ones I got:
http://www.amazon.com/.../dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_4...
Also try an earplug / tinnitus masker in one ear at a time

I have my ears from the range right now, but the speakers in them are junk, and I can't really do ear buds comfortably for long periods of time. Thanks for the suggestion!

These (Howard Leight R-01526 Impact Sport Electronic Earmuffs)
are pretty sweet. I mainly use them for when I go shooting, but they work great for mowing the lawn and other loud obnoxious noises. You can control how much you hear and the batteries will likely last a year. And they have an aux jack.

Yep, or Amazon has these great shooting muffs.

Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Shooting Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_7ucdBb1WXWS3M

Yea if only there was a way to block out the outside noise...

For years my poor man's solution was ear buds underneath $6 harbor freight ear muffs. Now I use either Howard Leight Syncs or Impact Sports (If I can't find the Syncs).

I'm in the UK and mine were a present so I don't know the cost but these seem similar.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001T7QJ9O/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1398273921&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40

They are Howard Leight Electronic ear pro. I love them, they switch off momentarily at a certain decibel for and the rest of the time you can hear better than with a naked ear.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B007HH6RR4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B007F93NGW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That's what I ordered, the howard leights come with a cable to hook up the PTT to the headset. Just make sure that whatever PTT you buy that it has an extra 3.5mm jack so you can plug in the headset :)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O

These are pretty much the industry standard these days

Here you are.

Thanks for the help.

Went with the following.

BLACKHAWK! Sportster Range Bag, Black

3 Trigger Locks

Chamber Flags

Targets

Stapler Staples

Cheap Earplugs

Cleaning Kit Should I also get a collapsible one? Was unable to find one on Amazon.

Eye Protection

Primary Ear Protection


Anything I missed?
[Secondary Ear Protection] (https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B001D8CRB8/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) Incase my main ones fail, or I have a guest.

I didn't actually buy it, but I got a pair of 7.62 x 39 snap caps from my Reddit Secret Santa. I'm excited to see what I'll get from my secret sniper cough cough cough

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i03

Ordered just the other day for $45

https://amzn.com/B001T7QJ9O - Howard Leight (very common, very popular)

Using some active ear muffs will both improve your hearing, and protect your hearing of potentially damaging sound levels.

I use these... amazing!

Not as annoying as the cheapy foam ones... customizable sound levels with the little plugs.... and not as expensive as full custom

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001V2SS9G/ref=twister_B003CWGDKE

My dad got some extra pairs of these from a training exercise for some private military guys and they seriously are the best. 10/10 would wear all the time if I was in a loud area.

I just got these yesterday due to the other thread. https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-Defenders-filtered-Earplugs-reusable/dp/B001V2SS9G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1524505061&sr=8-3&keywords=surefire+ear+plugs

Love them so far and cheap.

If I'm going to work, I roll up my hi-vis vest and stuff it into my helmet with my gloves and put it in a locker at work. Out in public, I lock my helmet to my passenger peg with a pistol bore lock. Forgot what video I watched that someone used it, but it's been a life changer not having to carry a helmet around or leaving it unsecured on the bike. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MJ2Z322/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_YW2BzbK65F9WK

Also, I'd recommend some earplugs if you don't want to listen to music or if you're making a short trip somewhere. These are what I use: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001V2SS9G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_pV2BzbM5W9MEA

If you do want to listen to music, a pair of Shure 215's are great if you don't want a communicator. They're considered monitors, so they have passive noise canceling and foam eartips to block outside noise. Plus they sound amazing, so when you're not on the bike, you have some quality headphones to listen to music with. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004PNZFZ8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_602BzbPVGC44Q

Those three things have made riding and commuting more enjoyable. And, they all fit in a small 5.11 pouch I have attached to my battery cover. Hope all this helps.

This is a real tragedy. But man, dont blame yourself. Carry on. Tell people about hearing loss and countermeasures. There are lot's of celebs with hearing loss problems...
https://noisecountermeasures.com/celebs-with-tinitus.html
SO don't panic, your life is not ruined. Educate others. Tell them that they should avoid noise exposure or protect their hearing.
For example when you attend loud concerts you should use earplugs with audio filters. And you should consider Frequency reduction values table. I made a research on this theme not so long ago. Here is the table for ~$20-30 earplugs for concerts:

|Vendor Average reduction Value|125 HZ|250 HZ|500 HZ|1000HZ|2000HZ|4000HZ|8000HZ|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Crioxen Earplugs|15.1|15.4|17.1|19.9|26.9|17.7|29.9|
|ER20XS Earplugs|14.5|14.2|17.1|21.1|25.3|20.5|23.3|
|Eargasm Earplugs|14.7|14.8|16.8|20.3|24.3|21.4|25.7|
|HEAROS Musician Earplugs |14.5|14.1|17.0|17.4|21.2|20.7|23.1|
|Reverbs Earplugs|14.1|13.9|15.2|18.7|22.2|18.3|22.1|
|LiveMus!c Earplugs|13.5|13.5|14.5|17.9|23.1|18.2|20.1|
|Surefire Defenders|12.7|12.9|13.2|16.8|19.9|19.2|19.1|
|DownBeats Earplugs|12.9|13.2|13.1|17.4|22.2|19.7|21.1|
|Decibullz Earplugs|14.7|14.9|17.0|20.4|23.2|20.5|23.7|

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I picked these up and I have to say they're pretty good. I plug up the gun side ear and leave my non-shooting ear open and it works great.

Something like this?

It's great they provide hearing protection now!

Damage to your hearing is permanent and cumulative. One shot will cause damage. One shot next year will cause additional damage. When hunting with rifles or shotguns I carry foam plugs or something like these, and put them in before I shoot.