(Part 2) Top products from r/DataHoarder
We found 201 product mentions on r/DataHoarder. We ranked the 1,377 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the products ranked 21-40. You can also go back to the previous section.
21. Rosewill 4U Server Chassis/Server Case/Rackmount Case, Metal Rack Mount Computer Case with 12 Hot Swap Bays & 5 Fans Pre-Installed (RSV-L4412)
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 11
Perfect Hot Swap Bay Construction: RSV-L4412 is equipped with 12 Hot-Swap Drives which supports up to carry 12x 3.5"/2.5" SATAI, II, & III or SAS HDD which allows users to take out hard drives during operation of the systemSuperb Scalability : Maximum up to 12 HDDs which supports up to carry 12x 3.5...
22. SilverStone Technology Premium Mini-ITX/DTX Small Form Factor NAS Computer Case, Black (DS380B)
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 10
Support 12 total drives with 8 hot-swappable 3.5" or 2.5" SAS/SATA and 4 fixed 2.5" drivesUnbelievable storage space and versatility for small form factorPremium brushed aluminum front doorSupport graphics card up to 11" with supporter design from TJ08-ELockable power button design and adjustable LE...
23. EverCool Dual 5.25 in. Drive Bay to Triple 3.5 in. HDD Cooling Box
Sentiment score: 10
Number of reviews: 10
Convert the dual 5.25" Drive Bays into a three 3.5" H.D.D.Inside demountable filters are easy to clear as well as filter the dust effectively to keep the case inside clean.Asigmatic design preserves the hard disc from damageUsing 8cm long life fan provides well cooling performance.
24. CableDeconn Dual Mini SAS SFF-8088 to SAS36P SFF-8087 Adapter in PCI Bracket
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 9
Supports external SFF-8088 26-pin host connectorsSupports internal SFF-8087 36-pin device connectorsSupports up to 6GB/s Mini SAS data transfer rate2 ports SFF-8087 TO SFF-8088 adapter with full PCI slot profile mounting bracket;24 hrs. dedicated email customer support, 18 month worry-free, lifetime...
25. Lenovo 70F10000UX THINKSERVER SA120 DIRECT ATTACHED STORAGE,1 I/O MODULE,12 X 3.5IN HOT-SWAP SAS D
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 9
26. Seagate Archive HDD 8TB SATA 6GBps 128MB Cache SATA Hard Drive (ST8000AS0002)
Sentiment score: 3
Number of reviews: 9
For Archive use onlyReliable, low-power data retrieval based on SMR technologyEnjoy peace of mind with a drive engineered for 24x7 workloads of 180TB/yearKeep your costs down with up to 1.33TB-per-disk hard drive technologyStore your data faster with SATA 6Gb/s interface that optimizes burst perform...
27. Seagate Backup Plus Portable 4TB External Hard Drive HDD – Black USB 3.0 for PC Laptop and Mac, 2 Months Adobe CC Photography (STDR4000100)
Sentiment score: 5
Number of reviews: 9
Want an easy, on the go USB drive for storage? Seagate Backup Plus Portable hard drive offers 4TBThe perfect complimentary laptop hard drive featuring a minimalist metal enclosureSimply plug this external hard drive for Mac and Windows into a computer via the included USB 3.0 cable to back up files ...
28. Western Digital External HDD My Book 10TB, WDBBGB0100HBK-EESN (encrypted 10 TB External (Desktop) USB 3.0 Black 256-bit AES)
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 9
WDBBGB0100HBK-EESN
29. WD 4TB Black My Passport Portable External Hard Drive - USB 3.0 - WDBYFT0040BBK-WESN
Sentiment score: 5
Number of reviews: 8
Auto backup with Included WD Backup SoftwarePassword Protection with hardware encryptionTrusted drive built with WD reliabilityUSB 3.0 port; USB 2.0 compatible; System Compatibility: Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 7; Requires reformatting for Mac OS X operating system3 year manufacturer's limited ...
30. WD 10TB My Book Desktop External Hard Drive, USB 3.0 - WDBBGB0100HBK-NESN
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 8
Auto backup with Included WD Backup Software and Time Machine CompatibilityPassword Protection with hardware encryptionTrusted storage built with WD reliabilityUSB 3.0 port; USB 2.0 compatible3 year manufacturer's limited warranty
31. WD 16TB My Book Duo Desktop RAID External Hard Drive - USB 3.1 - WDBFBE0160JBK-NESN,Black
Sentiment score: 1
Number of reviews: 7
Massive capacity storage with auto and system backupRAID-0 ready out of the boxRAID optimized WD Red drives.Operating temperature:5°C to 35°CUSB 3.1 Gen 1-ready, USB 3.0 compatibility3-year manufacturer's limited warrantyFormatted NTFS for out-of-the-box compatibility with Windows 10, Windows 8.1 ...
32. Norco 4U Rack Mount 24 x Hot-Swappable SATA/SAS 6G Drive Bays Server Rack Mount RPC-4224
Sentiment score: 5
Number of reviews: 7
4U rack mount design24x hot-swappable SATA/SAS 6G drive baysSix internal SFF-8087 Mini SAS connectors support up to twenty-four 3.5" or 2.5" SATA (II or III) or SAS hard drivesBackplanes are horizontal mounted for better ventilationLED indicators for power and activity on each HDD traySupport EEB (1...
33. Cable Matters 2-Pack 15 Pin SATA to 4 SATA Power Splitter Cable - 18 Inches
Sentiment score: 9
Number of reviews: 7
SATA SPLITTER CABLE powers up to four Serial ATA HDD, SSD, optical drives, DVD burners, and PCI-E cards from a single connection to computer power supplies; Snug-fitting drive SATA power cable clicks into place on your power supply to provide a secure connection that prevents accidental disconnectio...
34. Seagate Expansion 5TB Desktop External Hard Drive USB 3.0 (STEB5000100),Black
Sentiment score: 1
Number of reviews: 7
Easy to use desktop hard drive simply plug in the power adapter and USB cable; fast file transfers with USB 3.0/2.0System Requirements: Windows 8, Windows 7 operating systemDrag and drop file saving for Windows, right out of the boxFor Mac compatibility this hard drive requires reformatting; Reforma...
35. Deep Silence 6 Super Tower HPTX Case for Sensitive Audio Workstation and Storage Dense Applications, Black
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 6
Ultimate in silence with a lot of mass around the perimeter, decoupled drive mounts, ultra thick metalwork and dense sound proofing materials; This is our best computer case for sensitive audio workstation at recording facility.Designed for storage-dense applications with 10 easy swap HDD sleds and ...
36. IBM Serveraid M1015 SAS/SATA Controller 46M0831
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 6
Internal Connectors: 2 x SFF-8087 mini-SASInterface: PCI-Express 2.0 x8This RAID controller provides connectivity to internal direct-attach or expander-attached hard disk, solid-state, or self-encrypting drives.
37. iodd Iodd2531 - USB3.0 - HDD - SSD - Virtual CD-ROM - Enclosures - Made in Korea … (1 Unit/lot)
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 6
Manual(Not included in Box) and Firmware download: iodd.kr/wordpress/product/iodd-2531/Recognized as Bootable ODD (DVD, Blu-ray Rom), for booting by selecting a ISO file.Write protect Blocker/Win To Go/Auto Sleep/Safely Removal/Firmware UpdaterVHD - virtual hard disk image to physical driveThe whole...
38. Monoprice 108794 24-Inch 4-Pin Molex Male to 4 15-Pin SATA II Female Power Cable Net Jacket
Sentiment score: 8
Number of reviews: 6
The Serial ATA standard provides for the adoption of a new 15-pin drive power connector replacing the ubiquitous 4-pin Molex connectorHowever existing system cases and power supplies may have an insufficient number of SATA power connectors while still retaining the older Molex connectorsThis 24" ada...
39. Rosewill RSV 4 x 3.5-Inch HDD Cage RASA-11001
Sentiment score: 1
Number of reviews: 6
HDD tray: 4 x 3.5" HDDFan:1 x 120mmDimension (L X W X H) : 8.27" x 5.12" x 5.9" (21 x 13 x 15 cm)Design only as an add-on module for Rosewill RSV-R4000 and RSV-L4000
40. Seagate SATA 6Gb/s 3.5-Inch 4TB Desktop HDD (ST4000DM000)
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 6
Ideal for everyday desktop and computing storage4TB capacity stores 480 HD video, or 800,000 photos, or 1,000,000 songs5900 RPMStore data faster with SATA 6GB/s interface2 year warranty. 64MB cache
Tower Case Roundup:
Nanoxia Deep Silence 6 http://nanoxia-world.com/en/products/cases/deep-silence-series/deep-silence-6-rev.-b/209/deep-silence-6-rev.-b-dark-black?c=40
5.25 inch drive bay external: 4 x
3.5 inch drive bay external: 2 x (optional)
2.5/3.5 inch drive bay internal: 10 x (max. 13)
2.5 inch drive bay internal: 6 x
and
Fractal design Node 804 http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/node-series/node-804
Lian Li D8000
I'm currently eyeing the Fractal Design Node 804 for a future HTPC. It's small but it has a dual chamber design. I wanna fit 4x 4tb WD HDs in there and an SSD. (But it can hold 8)
Antec Nineteen Hundred http://imgur.com/a/hPZTw
That's my case and love it. Since this picture I have added 4 more drives in the adapter for a total of 16 HDD's.
Fractal Design. By far the best cases I've ever built with. I have a Define XL R2 at the moment but know friends who have built NAS setups in the Node and R5 cases.
I don't go for the server rack system, so I've opted for the Fractal Design Define XL R2 thanks to all of its bay slots.
DS380B Silverstone
itx dinky cube with 8x 3.5" drive bays in caddies.
I threw a board with an M.2 card in there with a Intel 6100 and its good to go. 8 disk zraid pool
I'm torn between getting this:
http://www.u-nas.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17617
Or a tower case that can hold more drives.
The hot swap drives turn me on though.
[–]zugman 50TB 3 points 1 day ago
I always thought the COOLER MASTER Centurion 590 was great but it's sadly discontinued. Easily fits 12 drives with great cooling. I added 5-in-3 cages for 15 drives. I've still got 2 of them kicking around but I've since moved to rack mount.
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Zalman MS800, add three 3 x 5.25" to 4(or5) x 3.5" adapters and net 12-15 hot swap bays.
Nothing special, just a ZALMAN Z11 Plus Midi Tower Computer Case. It takes all 8 or so drives I have.
Honestly, I was using the NZXT Source 210 for the longest time.
It regularly goes on sale for $20 in the US
It has 8 3.5" bays
It has 3 5.25" bays you could throw 4 more 3.5" drives in
it has decent cable management room
6 120mm fan spots
It's not in the least bit gaudy nor does it draw attention to itself
The only reason I replaced it, was I finally had too many HDDs for it sadly, otherwise I'd be using it still.
I have a personal computer build coming up Hopefully I can post it in 2 - 3 weeks.
I am using the CM Storm Stryker : It has 9 x 5.25" bays
Those bays can be converted to hot-swap hard drive bays I am using SATA Trayless Hot-Swap Cage from iStar
I go two so I am going to have 8 hot swap bays external and maybe four ssd internal but this case can have 12 external bays or if you spend a lot more and get the 5 hot swap per 3 x 5.25" then that can be 15 HDDs hot swap.
Some links so you can picture what I am talking about:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119260
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y3E2Q1K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I love my Lian Li PC-Q25b.
I use an Antec 900 with a 3x5.25 bay to 5x3.5 hot swappable enclosure in the front. Made by silverstone I believe. I also have their 3x5.25 bay to 12x2.5 hot swappable enclosure I use for SSDs (but can also be used for hard drives). That leaves me room for one more 5x3.5 enclosure which I plan to install when I need additional storage.
I'm a big fan of the Corsair 900D. 15 3.5in drive bays with backplanes and you can easily fit a blu-ray drive and 4 more hard drives in the 5.25 bays.
Also, it will take most motherboards and graphic cards and has spots for dual PSUs. It fits under my couch table perfectly which is also nice. I replaced the clear door with a solid one and it's just a black brick that doesn't look like a 9 year old's computer lit up like a christmas tree.
[–]HQToast 30TB RAW + ACD Unl. 1 point 1 day ago
I recently bought this beauty :3
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-a76/
http://imgur.com/mam0Yl3
Going to 3D Print another small cage for it soon. There is so much more space in there ^^
12x 3,5"
Lian Li PC-D8000, though I might be abusing the innocent little word "tower." Poor thing.
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[–]HittingSmoke 1 point 1 day ago
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112412
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112388
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112412
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[–]rdxgs 1 point 1 day ago
duplicator cases with hard drive cages
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[–]Engin33rh3r3 1 point 1 day ago
Anyone have a rack mount recommendation that can support a x-large radiator the Cosair h115i???
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[–]Jollyrogr 1 point 23 hours ago
Just built my NAS with a Norco itx-s8. Nice little box with 8 hot swap bays and an SAS backplane.
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[–]BLKMGK 65TB unRAID 1 point 16 hours ago*
Coolermaster Stacker if you can find one. Mine held 20 drives using 4n3 adapters and I've seen them modified to hold 40 drives. They now sell a Stacker "HAF" which isn't the same but does hold a decent number of drives too. The Stackers I have are damn near waist high, have casters, and served me well for many years prior to buying a 4U 24+bay rackmount..
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/coolermaster-stacker-modified-fit-47-hdd-total-12-terabyte-36586/ <- crazy dense for the time lol
These are your friend! https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817999027&amp;cm_re=4in3-_-17-999-027-_-Product
Here's what I use now https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916
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[–]03891223 2TB usable :( 1 point 15 hours ago
I know there's better cases for the job (more 5.25" bays etc), but before I got my r710s I was using another define r5 and loved it. Was running WD reds in it and had it sitting right next to my desk (along with my desktop, another define r5) and couldn't hear either of them.
TLDNR; Without having more info on what I described in the first paragraph. I'd say just buy a couple 10TB Easystores on sale ($180ea) and use your current SBCs and smaller server setups. After I wrote all of this I saw that you are from AUS(I think), so no clue if you can get close to $18 per TB in your area, but prices are coming down every year so sometimes better to just save $$$. It is super fun to think about a new and more powerful setup, plus buying it and putting it together, but as you can see I've done a lot of this thinking already. You are also probably feeling guilty that you have to make use of all your 2TBs, but lots of little HDDs do require more electricity to power up and cool. You need storage density and you cant get around that. Upgrade to 10TB and use the 2TB as a cold storage (backup). You are at a heck of a crossroads because the cost to go from SBCs to a "Proper" server plus buying storage isnt a cheap one. Currently there are limited stepping stones, but more powerful SBCs and Ryzen Embedded are here and on the way so wait if possible. Either way you go, you will spend more money and use up storage faster than you planned... The more powerful SBCs arent always cheap either, once you factor in cost of: memory card, power supply, case, possible heatsink/extra heat sinks, a fan, etc. Their lower price starts creeping into the middle range...
What brand, how many, and how long have the 2TBs been powered on for? It sounds like you are currently swapping out the 2TBs for others depending on what you want to watch and on which HDD it is? Do you have any projected storage numbers and what is your current and future budget? You mentioned that you have a small dedicated server? Is that another SBC or what is with that setup and how many sata ports? I'd forgo the transcoding ideas and nix buying any sort of new "Server" options. Focus on reusing what you have or going with a "Used" setup, so you can start saving that money for when 8TB or 10TB Easystores go on sale.
IMO for a true new build you'd want to price in ECC RAM, UPS, and I personally prefer a case that has hot swap access to HDDs. The Rosewill that meemo linked cant be beat for the price especially since it comes with 7 fans, but it requires extra steps to access the HDDs (internally only), which may be fine for you. There is Mediasonic (JBOD version only) that you could plug into your SBC, but that technically isnt hot swappable either, plus it is USB 3.1 to USB-C which isnt the worst but it isnt the best... I know you wanted to get away from SBCs, but if you disable transcoding there are some SBCs that use SATA to SATA connections that are very viable. Any SBC or standalone storage that uses USB is a potential risk, since USB can suffer connection issues when doing rebuilding, parity, and scrubbing maintenance (same if your power goes out, hence a need for UPS). Helios4 is a time restricted option, since they only open up orders once or twice a year (they are currently taking orders). *I saw a post saying that since the Helios4 is a 32bit processor, so it is limited to 16TB volumes. You get 2GB ECC + 4x SATA and I believe you can use any HDD size with that (double check tho), so 4 separate 10TB volumes (4x$180sale=$720+tax), not including parity... I'm not sure how the 32bit and the 16TB volume limit effect drive pooling... I gotta research more into that. I'm not familiar with the UnRaid, FreeNAS, or the other options that you mentioned, but OpenMediaVault4 has MergerFS drive pooling and Snapraid plugin, you could run 3x storage HDD and 1x parity or you could forgo parity for now. If you prefer Windows (You can also run omv4 on windows in a VM) there is Stablebit Drivepool (Not free) for pooling and then Snapraid (not completely novice friendly) for parity. Depending on the HDD type you could reuse the discarded Easystore enclosures and put your 2TB drives in there (still USB connection). If they are a different brand (non WD/HGST) I think you have to desolder something on the Easystore board? I lost the link on how to do that. You could also just keep the 2TB as cold storage backups, but that still carries a risk, but it's cheaper. You could also get 2nd Helios, but for about the same price you could use that money on a 10TB. That would replace 5x of your 2TB drives... Not too mention the extra electricity to power and cool 5x drives vs 1x drive... As you can see, storage density starts coming into play here, big time.
UPS https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00429N18S/
Mediasonic https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078YQHWYW/
Helios4 https://shop.kobol.io/collections/frontpage/products/helios4-full-kit-2gb-ecc-3rd-batch-pre-order?variant=18881501528137
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/as17od/helios4_batch_3_available_for_preorder/
There are other SATA SBCs that you could use and you could also do a janky setup and put the SATA SBCs inside a hot swappable case like this Silverstone one. There are other cases, but this is the only name that came to mind. This case also doesnt have any power supply or fans to cool the HDDs so there will be extra cost there, plus you'll need a power supply, PLUS a way to turn on your power supply (with a power board), since that SBC setup wont have a motherboard. You can also make your own "Dumb" JBOD HDD enclosure and connect that to your mini server. Another option to SBCs is the ASRock cpu+mobo line: J3455-ITX, J4105-ITX, annd J5005-ITX. The issue with this that it appears you are still limited to 4x SATA or other variations of these boards have a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot at x1 or x2 transfer lanes/speed instead of x8 or x16... Also you have to factor in the price of ram and a mini PICO power supply. There is a subreddit+website that focuses on used parts for cheap server setups, but you might want to verify the power consumption of those setups when they are idling. With the NAS killer option, you gotta make sure all of the parts are still available on ebay or refurb sites, plus make sure you have time to build your setup to verify everything is working plus stress test it before the return window closes to weed out any weak used parts.
Silverstone https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IAELTAI/
HDD enclosure option https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-5-25-Inch-3-5-Inch-Hot-swap-SATAIII/dp/B00DGZ42SM/
Power Board https://www.amazon.com/Super-Micro-Computer-Supermicro-Cse-ptjbod-cb2/dp/B008FQZHZE
J3455-ITX https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-157-728
https://www.serverbuilds.net/nas-killer-v30/
Another option if you really want transcoding and a more powerful "Server" would be a Dell Optiplex 7010, which are used business computers that are "Refurbished", but I think they just take them from that company and wipe the hard drive, nothing else. The Minitower Desktop version is roomier than the slightly cheaper SFF (SmallFormFactor) version, which might be important if you want to swap out the power supply, watch the youtube video to get an idea of what you are getting into. Since a cheap power supply is a weak point plus a potential hazard I'd recommend swapping in a new power supply, but you could risk it with its current power supply. Everything else should last for a good while. You'll also need to install a HBA card. You can get Genuine used cards that were in good working order or you could get a new knock off from China. Both options are viable, but personally I prefer the used option. Theartofserver, ebay seller, also has a youtube channel, so I purchased from him, but I have also purchased from other sellers and got good working parts (I think Ebay still has the most honest and accurate rating system out there?). Since the Optiplex doesnt have room for internal HDDs then you are left with a few options with various HBA cards (internal vs external), expander cards, and adapter setups (SFF-8087 to SFF-8088). If you want it to look "Proper" there will be a lot of wasted money on 2x adapters (1x Optiplex + 1x external HDD enclosure) and an extra SFF-8088 cable between the two. I'd just go janky with it and get a longer reverse breakout cable of 3.3feet (4x SATA to 1x SFF-8087), which should be long enough to go from your external HDDs setup into the Optiplex case and internally connected to the HBA card, like the popular 9201-8i. The janky part being that you'll have the reverse breakout cable snaking directly into each case, instead of plugging into an adapter in the back.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K0GNUOG/
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Internal-Breakout-SFF-8087/dp/B018YHS9GM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-LSI-6Gbps-SAS-HBA-LSI-9201-8i-9211-8i-P20-IT-Mode-ZFS-FreeNAS-unRAID/162958581156
Single adapter https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133055
Double adapter https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GPD9QEQ/
SFF-8080 cable https://www.amazon.com/Norco-Technologies-C-SFF8088-External-SFF-8088/dp/B003J9CZCK/
Raw storage:
Total 108TB(18 drives)
Actual storage:
Total 72TiB
Case:
Used the two bay 3.5" cage, and three bay 2.5" cage from the Deep Silence 3 case.
Fans:
Used two 120mm case fans from the Deep Silence 3 case between the two stacks of drives.
Motherboard: Supermicro X10SRA-F
CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1620 v3 3.5GHz
Heatsink: Noctua DH-D15
RAM:
Total 48gb
PSU: Corsair AX1500i
Controllers:
Total 20 ports
NIC: Mellanox Connectx-2 10g
OS Disks: 2 x Intel 330 60GB, mdadm RAID1
Storage Disks:
Seven shucked from Best Buy WD easystore externals and two from Amazon as internals.
I originally shucked the Seagates from externals. I have replaced the Seagates as they fail, and I had one fail during this upgrade. Yes, I have had five Seagate failures.
SATA/SAS cables:
OS: Fedora 25 with ZFS for Linux
Cost:
The cost was spread across years. This is more like two builds in one. My old build with the motherboard, memory, heatsink, CPU, and 4tb drives combined with my new 8tb build. With the 4tb drives I have replaced five of nine drives over time, which has driven up the real total cost.
The case is huge, but all the space is nice. You don't feel like you are cramming anything in. I used a Fractal Design R5 for my previous build, and prefer Fractal Design cases to Nanoxia cases. But the biggest Fractal Design case wouldn't quite suit my needs. Even this was a stretch for the Deep Silence 6 case. I wish the Deep Silence 6 had spots to mount 2.5" drives on the back side like the R5. It is a feature I miss.
I have a few issues. The trays and the screw holes on the WD 8tb drives don't match. The WD drives are missing the middle bottom screw holes. My temporary workaround is strong 3M double sticky foam tape with two screws. I may use a drill and drill holes in the sides of the trays. I had to tape down the 2.5" cage, but the drives are so light it is not a big deal.
After building this beast I had the window closed, the door shut, and no room fan for one day. The room was quite warm. I have since opened the window, turned on the fan, and left the door open.
My Kill-a-watt peaked at 450 watts during boot. It idles between 200-220 watts. So I could go back to my AX760 from my previous build with SATA power splitters.
I still have one tray free, but no extra drive or SATA port.
I was originally going to move the four bay 3.5" cage from the Deep Silence 3, but it was just too integrated into the case. I tried adapting it, and it didn't come out well. Even if it had, the bottom tray was going to sit below the lip of the side of the case. So that tray would have been less accessible.
I am currently copying 18tb from the old array to the new array as a burn-in test.
I got the original idea to build with this case from someone else's post. I probably would have just bought another Fractal Design R5, and run two systems otherwise. I have run two systems for storage before, connected them with 10g, and used iSCSI. When I did I used, https://romanrm.net/mhddfs , to merge the filesystems together. I am considering doing the same again.
With the right cages you could probably fit around 26 3.5" drives in this case.
Over time I have gone from 250gb to 500gb to 1tb to 1.5tb to 2tb to 4tb to 8tb drives. I didn't think I would be upgrading to 8tb anytime soon, until the Best Buy easystore deal. In the past I mostly purchased on Black Fridays. In more recent years externals from Costco.
TLDR: I built a new server combining an existing 24TiB ZFS with a new array of 36TiB ZFS for the win!
Well, setting up a 24-bay fileserver is certainly one obvious approach, but it costs some money. I put together a new 24-bay hotswap server recently. Assembly was required. You can buy ready-to-go solutions, but you will generally pay much more. I could pull up the parts list if that's of interest to you.
You can sometimes buy used servers for less than the cost of a new setup, but a lot of the used ones floating around have backplanes that won't recognize drives greater than 2TB.
Edit: as requested, parts list + setup notes below.
PARTS
CASE:
NORCO RPC-4224
https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA00Y5105458
OS SSD:
https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-256GB-SKC400S37-256G/dp/B019SDOHMQ/
128GB
** connected to one of the onboard SATA slots on the motherboard and installed internally ... duct tape against one of the sides of the case works fine as a mounting solution.
CPU:
Xeon E3-1225 v5 SkyLake 3.0 GHz 8MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1UH3ZC0476
RAM:
DDR4, 16GB, ECC
https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-ValueRAM-KVR21E15D8-16/dp/B01DKBPY2E/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820242215
MOTHERBOARD:
SUPERMICRO MBD-X11SAT-O ATX Server Motherboard LGA 1151 Intel C236
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813183022
"3x PCI-E 3.0 x16 (run at 16/NA/16 or 16/8/8), 1x PCI-E 3.0 x1 (in x4), and 1x 5V PCI 32-bit slots"
POWER SUPPLY:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-Supply-Certified-110-B2-0850-V1/dp/B00KYK1CC6
SAS CABLES:
http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-30AWG-Internal-36-Pin-SFF-8087/dp/B008VLHOR2
Quantity: 6
HBAs:
SUPERMICRO AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 PCI-Express 2.0 x8 SATA / SAS 8-Port Controller Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101792
http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-SAS2LP-MV8.cfm
It says "Windows 2003, 2008 and Vista" but I downloaded the driver and it explicitly states in the readme that it is WHQL certified: "Certified for Microsoft Windows 10 Client family, x64". I'm personally using this HBA driver with a Windows 10 system and a Server 2016 system with no issues.
Also - this comes with a full height bracket as well as low profile. Mine have come with the low profile bracket installed by default, so you probably need to swap them.
You could use LSI/etc cards, but these actually come as HBAs - that's all they do, so there's no need to go through an annoying flash process to get IT mode. Also, they're cheap, and they work well for me. I can't vouch for their unix driver status, however - so do some research if you will be using linux/bsd/etc.
Quantity: 3
FAN CONTROLLER (Optional ... see below)
Sentry AC SEN-MIX2-M1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DN3IT7M/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&amp;th=1
Total ATM : $1661
SETUP NOTES:
You will need extra molex connectors beyond what the EVGA PS above supplies. You can either order another 3-Molex lead (it's a modular power supply) and install that into one of the free modular "Accessory" power ports, or you can use splitters to convert 3 SATA power -> Molex.
As with other Norco models, you kind of need to take the fan wall out, unscrew the fans, remove the metal "finger guards", install the guards on the other side, then mount the fans on the other side. So that the fans are on the opposite side of the cage as when you first started, but the air flow is still moving in the same direction. If you don't do this, you won't have enough room to comfortably fit non-right-angle SAS + Molex connectors into the backplane. The downside is that the chassis includes a little metal shelf that hangs off the other side of the fan wall on which you can mount 2 SSDs. You can't use that if you flip the fans. If you can find right-angle connectors for both SAS + Molex, then you could do that instead of having to bother with this.
Including the CPU fan, you will need 6 x 3-pin fan power headers to drive all the fans. I ended up being 1 short. I used a fan controller instead (the above), but I had a heck of a time fitting it into the chassis. I managed to sorta-kinda screw it in against the back of the chassis along the top, but it was a pain. I would probably just try to find and use some Molex -> Fan adapter cables instead.
WHAT I WOULD DO DIFFERENTLY IN HINDSIGHT:
Thanks everyone for the very helpful information. I think I've narrowed it down, and if anyone wants to chime in, please do. I really want to do this right, and to that end, I will have continued patience.
It comes down to this:
I really, really like the Fractal Define XL R2. The design is exactly what I am looking for. I shouldn't worry so much about its looks as it wont really be seen, but I can't get over how good it looks. That said, I can't seem to find any information about modifying the lower front fan locations to accept more front load hotswap bays. Sure, I have the upper 4 to use, but am unsure about the bottom.
With the above said, The Antec Nine Hundred will do exactly what I want, thanks to /u/zonedguy. But the look of the case itself is not appealing to me at all. I really need to stop worrying about that and get over it.
Lastly the Rosewill RSV-L4412 will do what I want, looks good, but I will have to get creative with where I put it. Yeah, its more than twice the price of the Antec, but its completely futureproofed. I was thinking of putting it on its side, strapped to a wall, or shelf for now. I can always add an abundance of rack hardware to it in the future.
The hunt continues. Thanks again for the help!
Yeah, but with one minor correction: I am not using a breakout in the PC. MB SATA -> 8088 Adapter -> 8088-to-8087 Adapter -> SATA breakout (the listing doesn't actually specify that it's Forward, but the description would make think so) -> HDDs
Yes, all layer one. Every adapter is totally passive.
Expensive? Yeah, probably if I had used two of the dual adapters (which, honestly, now that I'm typing this out I feel like a dingus for not having done that - I'm not sure what I was thinking). This was a cheaper alternative to purchasing a 4-bay Mediasonic and would potentially support up to six drives (assuming I get it working). I could have just run a bunch of long SATA cables between chassis, but that would be really messy, cable-wise, and there's no way I'd be able to move both enclosures at the same time. Unless there's some kind of SATA aggregate option, seemed like my best way to go (which, if that's a thing, I'd be interested in that route too, but some quick-ish googling didn't turn much up).
I was reading about some of those changes in the BIOS, IDE vs AHCI - is that what you're referring to? That certainly could be it, since I did see one drive initially. I'll look into that (and MB support...) tonight while I wait on the PSU replacement.
No intention of using the port multipliers. If I need more than four, I'll probably focus on just running another SATA->SAS adapter and use the second port on the 8088->8087 bracket.
Dynamic disks have gotten a lot better, haha. If you are going with the case you own, There are some internal enclosures that can hold 5 3.25 in drives per 5 in bay. Like this. With the benefit of being hot swappable. If you don't care wether or not things are hot swappable, you can go cheaper and get better air flow.
You can also get a box case like this which has the bays built in and just fit it with a good motherboard, processor, maybe an HBA and maybe a NIC. Honestly, with current parts, you should be able to saturate 1 gigabit drop. Since we are dealing with pictures and videos, I'm thinking you'll be reading and writing sequentially for the most part which maximizes your read/write speeds.
Take a quick look at this before you buy your drives, that way you have the option to balance price with storage. 10TB drives usually cost more than what you get, especially since the 12TB drives are cheaper per gig right now. If you don't want to pay that much for a drive, you can go with one of the cheaper 8TB or shuck for an even lower price with a bit more effort on your part.
As for pre-built appliances, you can go with something like this or this both can saturate your network and give you the storage you desire.
Edit: My first gold, thank you!!
Seagate's archive drives would be good for this - very big storage density and reasonable prices too, but there's a reason. They use SMR (shingled magnetic recording) which means as it's writing data to the disk it actually partially overlaps the data currently on the track's concentric circles. This means write speeds are rather slow but read speeds are essentially no different. But for archival these are perfect as you're not going to be constantly accessing them!
The thing about bit-rot or the magnetism used to store the data wearing away is true and you can read more about that here. But often this is for when the data is not accessed for a really long time. We're talking years though. 3 or 4 years would be fine, the data would unlikely rot away during that time - but past 5 years without being powered on or rewritten it's likely to start degrading.
The solution to this is to power them up every now and again and refresh the data by formatting and rewriting it. It sounds like this is what you intend to do anyway where you said you'd update them every few months. In that case, the only thing you'd realistically have to worry about it the drive not being able to spin up after being left for, again, a really long time. But again, a few months or ever a few years is not going to affect it - especially if you power them up and refresh them every now and again.
If you didn't want to go with hard drives, you could always go with magnetic tape but of course then you would have to have the equipment to be able to read and write from them which is an additional cost, although the tapes themselves are much cheaper than hard drives and have much larger capacities for the price too. However, they're agonisingly slow.
So, here's some drives which I recommend for long-term archival storage:
And if you'd like to read more about the troubles with data rot on hard drives:
Hope this helped!
SMR drives sound perfect for this workload. As /u/evemanufacturetool pointed out, the Seagate archive 8 TB drives win many $/GB contests, though at $229 they're somewhat outside your budget. The external version was $179 a week or two ago. These drives have 3 and 2 year warranties, respectively – and of course the external has no warranty if you pry it open and extract the drive.
If you're okay having mystery meat and you trust your backups (you have backups, right?), you might consider one of these $149 6TB drives. It's almost certainly a Western Digital drive, but that's about all anyone can say for sure. The pricing reflects the unanswered questions, but if spending less on a drive lets you spend more on backups, this still might be a win.
Many of us here use WD Red drives in our NAS setups, using multiple drives to serve always-on workloads. Those would work fine for you. Then again, you're a single user that won't be using the drive that much, so WD Green might also be a reasonable pick. Both of these have 4 TB models in or near your price range.
I personally don't care for Seagate because of Blackblaze mostly but also the horror stories I hear from time to time. I'm a longevity buyer or BIFL (buy it for life). I work in a datacenter and know that drives are never bifl but I do my best. Recently I looked for a large drive for my brother to put in his laptop. Seagate was the only drive available for the larger sizes in his price range. I found a sale for a WD External Hard Drive 4tb where basically he would pay $90 for a large external drive. That was what I went with for him as WD are better drives from what I've seen as well as they're a bit more reliable.
I've noticed that Seagate puts a LOT of money into advertising which I understand works some but if your drives are high failure rate then people that consistently buy drives may stop buying them such as those on r/datahoarders . Personally even WD drives aren't as reliable and if I buy anymore for myself I'll be paying a bit extra to get HGST due to their quality which overall is more important to me. I'd suggest to Seagate that they increase quality and decrease advertising some if they need money from somewhere. If I found that Seagate quality increased to HGST standards even if it was a NEW LINE; I'd be very inclined to spend money on a high end Seagate with a better warranty.
Homelab newbie here, and starting plan for migration to unRAID: just the 24-bay case seems to be a good deal, compared to something like this. I do need to be power conscious, but this seems like a good enough deal to jump on anyway.
If I buy one of these, are there any considerations if I add new components vs. buying a new case or am I locked into hardware? Also, is there anything other than processor and better PSU that I can look at to improve power draw?
Thanks all! This subreddit has been invaluable in getting myself up to speed. :)
Thank you so much for the response and info!
I saw this review on Amazon. What do you think?
That person also links to the following products. How essential/necessary do you think they would be to the node-804? I've read some other review that don't highlight suggestions as the review above does. What are your thoughts?
Unfortunately I'm in a strange situation where I don't have as much time as I'd like to review/research for the absolute best route to go -- and I'm in need of making a decision very soon.
I'm totally cool with building, although I must say that I'm not as experienced as I would like -- however, I will have time on my hands to learn what is needed to build the setup I decide to purchase.
Any and all info/feedback is most welcome! Thanks!
WD Mybook 8TB for £119.99 (until midnight UK time on the 16th of July):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01LWVT81X/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=6738&amp;creativeASIN=B01LWVT81X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=amoves-21&amp;linkId=109e41ed89969139d870a312cd99835b
We can finally feel like Americans for a day with these bargain prices. You need to sign up for Prime as well but if you don't have an active prime membership, you can also start a new Prime trial if you haven't used your 30-day trial in the last 365 days. I just checked and these are the lowest prices these 8TB hard drives have ever been sold for in the UK.
They also have the WD Elements Desktop 8TB on a Prime Day sale for £124:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FNK6QMT/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=amoves-21&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=6738&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=B07FNK6QMT&amp;linkId=7a13bc41e7e1867b91417ef49df553e1
From what I've read it's quite similar to the MyBook but doesn't offer backup, encryption and password protection by default. Both are good for schucking. The main advantage of the Elements Desktop 8TB seems to be the ease of adding another drive in its case later on if you decide to schuck it.
The Seagate Expansion 8TB is on sale for only £109 and I've heard only good things about it in comparison to their smaller drives which seem to be problematic. I went with the MyBook 8TB myself.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07DQBFQ2D/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=amoves-21&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=6738&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=B07DQBFQ2D&amp;linkId=28f3f183cd50ec9d3adf5c102ece5daa
The only other good deal I found was the Western Digital My Passport 4TB Portable. Still debating whether to buy it as well or get another Mybook 8tb. It is currently on sale for only £75 which is the second lowest price ever for it in the UK:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01LQQH86A/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=amoves-21&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=6738&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=B01LQQH86A&amp;linkId=54e3c55ae8c90b3e6a3f373dfb0b7335
I'm a fan of the IBM M1015 which is commonly recommended for FreeNAS builds; it's a rebadged LSI card and can be easily reflashed to run in HBA mode.
They're pretty cheap for RAID cards, and I've had good luck finding free ones in decommissioned servers at work. I also have heard they're relatively easy to find cheaply on ebay.
I just added this to my tower, it seemed like the best trade off of 2x5.25 bays for 3x3.5 HDDs, has a fan and removable/washable filter. Fitment was perfect, also comes with a bracket for 4x2.5 drives if you wanted. If you need hotswap ability though I'd look at something like what you have, or I thought of buying this one.
My go-to easy external storage is portable hard drives. You can get 4 TB ones for about $100 USD. Because they're powered by the USB connection, I find them more handy than the external powered larger ones (I also travel a lot, making portable ones more practical).
I've used mostly WD portable hard drives, and have had good luck with them (however my sample size is small).
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STDR4000100/dp/B00ZTRXFBA/
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A/
The important thing is to never let a single copy of important data exist. Make sure it exists on two or more places.
You can definitely stick with the Fractal series. I did because I couldn't have a loud, unsightly machine setup anywhere in my home. I have my main system w/ 10 Drives + 2 SSDs + 3 NVME drives in an R6. That has a DAS connected with 19 drives inside an R5; 8 stock bays + 3 in 2x5.25 bay adapter + extra 3 drive cage + extra 5 drive cage.
As you are in Europe, you might not even have to pay crazy shipping charges to buy spare drive cages from https://www.fractal-design-shop.de/Define-R5_1. In the US I had to source the extra drive cages from r/hardwareswap but that proved to be easier than I expected. Here is a pic I took before I added the 2nd 5-bay drive cage: https://imgur.com/a/TWL8IB1
Edit: Request for more info...
I have not done a build log as I am not yet "finished" with the build, but it looks like there is sufficient demand for parts info so here it goes:
I have an R6 for my main NAS server loaded with the motherboard, 10 3.5 drives and one SSD. The R5 has two extra drive cages (3 + 5) as well a 2x5.25-to-3x3.5 bay adapter.
The expansion cards I use are:
Additional parts I used:
More inspiration can be found here: https://www.serverbuilds.net/16-bay-das
I have two DS4243's in my lab at home both full of 2TB Hitachi spinning rust (potentially two more shelves coming if I win the auctions) connected via adapter cables (QSFP+ to SFF-8088) to an IBM M1015 card internally.
The NetApp DS4243 is QSFP+, and it is 3Gb/s (the last number in the model is the transfer rate) you will need to convert that to SFF-8088, and then from SFF-8088 to SFF-8087 if your JBOD card doesn't have SFF-8088 ports externally. Or you can find a compatible QSFP+ card for your NAS.
I have heard murmurs that the DS4243 can be picky about the disks you put in them. I got the two I have with disks already, but IIRC you just need to reformat them into a specific format or something to get them to show up with the DS4243 so be aware of that.
FWIW if you aren't worried about noise so much, the DS4243 can be picked up for about $100-$150 without disks and I'd argue is the best bang for the buck. Even then its the quietest thing in my lab unless they're spinning up from a cold boot.
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So to recreate my setup you'd need the following:
You'd connect it all up like this in order from top to bottom:
FYI, You can chain (I think max is two) the DS4243's together.
I just pre ordered a 16gb double (2x8) for $169 tho... WD reds. Hopefully they honor the price when they're back in stock.
WD 16TB My Book Duo Desktop RAID External Hard Drive - USB 3.1 - WDBFBE0160JBK-NESN https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074QW86T4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_q2v4Cb1ZMKA8Z
I must be a bit slow today. Your VMs are going to stay on the current machine, but you want to get rid of those drives? I'm just clarifying that you aren't going to be running VMs across a Gb network.
At any rate, it sounds like a stand alone FreeNAS box with low power CPU might suit the bill nicely. Check out http://blog.brianmoses.net/2015/01/diy-nas-2015-edition.html
EDIT: to get enough drives you may wish to check out http://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/29i0j4/for_the_wiki_which_raid_card_andor_sas_expanded
Also, I think with some creativity I bet you can get 6 drives plus an SSD into a Lenovo TS140. It looks like it ships with the ability to have 3 3.5inHDDs. You can leave an SSD Velcroed to the bottom of the case and then add a 5.25 to 3.5 3 drive thingy: http://www.amazon.com/EverCool-Dual-Drive-Triple-Cooling/dp/B0032UUGF4 There isn't much better value out there...
I've looked a little into HBAs, since you mentioned them, and I'm definitely intrigued! Probably a dumb question, but I had trouble finding an answer: Would I be able to use an HBA in addition to the onboard SATA ports or does it replace them? If I were to follow your setup, I'd need to do the following:
Does that seem correct or did you follow a different set of steps?
Once again, thanks for taking the time to help me out with this! If I can get an HBA working, it seems like it would be a major improvement, allowing me to get the most out of my setup! :D
My case supports 36 drive bays. I paid a good amount for it.
As for power... make sure you have enough "room" on the +12VDC line on your power supply for all of your drives. IIRC, 2A per drive is a good idea (plenty of room for spin up, and other components).
As for space, the 5 in 3 or similar backplanes allow you to convert the 5.25" bays into hard drive bays.
SAS is another way to go. If you don't mind the sound:
That gets you at least 24 bays, and possibly more. And some nice looking enclosures.
Since we're talking aesthetics, I like the My Passport drives better than both of these: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A
It's on sale apparently (I think it's just going to be this reduced price from now on) which brings the 2 tb to the same price.
I've had one on these for ages and it's small, nice, really fast, and looks great sitting on the desk.
Where do you see that?
8 TB Easy Store $199.00
8 Tb WD Red (which is in the easy store) $288.00
Also, the Seagate 8TB externals (which generally carry the Archive drives) are the same way. Over $200 for the bare drive and $170 External.
Okay, here's what you're going to want to learn.
Mini-SAS comes in two versions (internal - 8087 or external - 8088).
If you want to connect drives internally, you get an LSI card with internal (8i, 16i)
If you want to connect drives externally, you get an LSI card with external (8e, 16e)
Say you have two boxes, you need one external LSI card with 8088 and one passthrough 8088-8087 card.
You'll need 8087 cables to SATA (an 8i card will have two ports for 2 cables where each support 4 sata cables)
You'll need 8088 cables to connect the external cards together
Figure out how many SATA hard drives you want to support.
8e - 8 SATA drives per external card.
16e - 16 SATA drives per external card.
Shopping List for 16 External Hard Drives from one computer to another:
External Card ($30): https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-6GB-16-Port-SAS-SATA-HBA-Controller-Card-SAS9201-16e-H3-25379-01G-Grade-A/273461892263?hash=item3fab9954a7:g:CSMAAOSwfkFbm-XI:sc:USPSFirstClass!33175!US!-1
Mini-SAS Passthrough (2 x $30): https://www.amazon.com/CableDeconn-SFF-8088-SFF-8087-Adapter-bracket/dp/B00PRXOQFA
8087 to SATA (4 x $8): https://www.amazon.com/CableCreation-SFF-8087-female-Internal-Splitter/dp/B013JP7YI8/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_lp_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=AYXPARRHH92MDMM64NJJ
8088 to 8088 (4 x $15): https://www.amazon.com/CableDeconn-SAS26P-SFF-8088-External-Attached/dp/B00S7KTXW6/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1537045400&amp;sr=1-3&amp;keywords=8088+to+8088
Edit: Please don't hesitate to ask questions before spending money, just make us a diagram showing where your disks are and where you want to hook them up.
I must have over 100 USB sticks now, everything from 512MB up to 1TB. Like you I used a lot of them for bootable ISOs. Had 6-8 of them on a large keyring too, just for emergencies.
Can I make a recommendation, though? Two actually. First is the IODD2531. It's an external USB HDD caddy, but you can drop ISOs on it and you can select them individually from the unit and it'll emulate an optical drive. I've installed everything from Server 2019 on big-box HP and Dell servers, to Windows 98se after some tinkering. You need to supply your own drive, but mine has a 256GB SSD and I've never looked back.
The other is something I've not tried and only found recently called Easy2Boot. I like playing retro games which means retro machines need building, and this comes recommended by lots in the community. Similar idea to the IODD, but USB based.
Edit: For clarity, the IODD box is the OEM version of the Zalman VE350. When I was looking into getting one, I found the Zalman was a similar price, but the stock IODD firmware more flexible. You can flash between the two at will, though.
A lot of people here are buying external drives in bulk and shucking them since it's substantially cheaper than buying plain drives. This is a really weird dynamic. Why on earth is it cheaper to buy a drive with additional hardware and packaging around it than to just buy the drive itself?
e.g. this external drive is $180, but a bare archive drive is $228. WTF? It is almost $50 more expensive to buy just the drive without the enclosure around it. (And that's assuming the 8TB external is an SMR archive drive inside, rather than a regular PMR drive -- which is even more expensive!) You might say "oh, it's on sale!" -- yeah, they're always on sale at those kinds of prices from one brand or another.
With WD products instead of Seagate, this has gotten absolutely ridiculous. BestBuy is regularly advertised on here offering external drives containing shuckable 8TB WD Reds in the price range of $150~$200 while the drive by itself often goes for nearly $300! It's twice as expensive to buy the plain drive?! WHY?!
RAIDZ2 made up of
RAIDZ1 local backup made up of
mirror offsite backup (most important datasets) made up of
mirror offsite backup (most important datasets) made up of
.
$ sudo zpool list
NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT
tank 29T 11.8T 17.2T - 7% 40% 1.00x ONLINE -
Keep in mind there is a 5.03% discrepancy between the reported size (e.g.
sudo zfs list
) and the actual size (du -b
) based on the computations in this google sheet. For instance, my 800GiB file appears as 760GiB according to this zpool. This is not the case on my raidz1 backup and everything is represented accurately. It's just a matter of the vdev/blocksize/recordsize configuration chosen.You'll want to setup your pools using these options:
sudo zpool create tank -o ashift=12 raidz2 <disks>...
and your datasets with these options:
sudo zfs set compression=lz4 tank
sudo zfs set recordsize=1M tank
sudo zfs set atime=off tank
sudo zfs set xattr=sa tank
So, to answer your question,
24 10^12 bytes / (1024^4 bytes / TiB) (31/32 zfs overhead) = 21.1457 TiB
If I do
sudo zfs list -p
I getUsed | Available | Total
---|---|----
|9,208,112,973,696 | 12,752,323,246,208 | 21,960,436,219,904 |
(but this is the 5.3% affected value).
So to go in reverse, 21,960,436,219,904 1.053 32/31 = 23,861,934,092,934 bytes, which is pretty damn close to the expected 24 * 10^12 advertised.
Thanks OP, I was recently looking for something like this.
Also if someone has an european alternative to these, price and quality wise, please let me know.
I love this silverstone
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IAELTAI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1
built a NAS in it a few months ago and it's great
I am shucking STDR4000100's. There's an older-ish article on them. They now have the newer SKU of internal drive, ending in 24 instead of 16, no longer the exact same as article but might as well be. They are low wattage and run cool which is nice.
le edit: There's a 5TB model now too. Can't personally vouch for them, but same enclosure so they're shuckable. Is almost certainly a ST5000LM000 internally.
No need to be wary of the cloud.
Many (most?) cloud storage providers encrypt data by default. Backblaze and Crashplan both do. The default encryption key is your account password for Crashplan but you can set it up to be much more secure.
That being said an easy set and forget solution is a dual bay raid 1 (mirror). Two 8 or 10 TB drivea isn't all that expensive.
Example: Slightly over priced.
Ordered two of this drive on amazon. Came floating freely in the box. Could hear them banging into each other.
On the bright side, Amazon's return process is easy.
I have a Norco 4224 and I'm pretty happy with it. It's often <$350 shipped on Amazon when it's in stock and holds 24 drives.
As for HBAs, I have 3 Fujitsu D2607s (LSI 9211-8i) crossflashed to IT mode that run about $25 each shipped on eBay each will attach 8 drives.
Snappy Driver Installer Origin
Download the application, download the indexes only then download the printer driverpack. Portable program and everything is stored in the file structure and already compressed. Occasionally launch the program to download updates.
Or, in the true spirit of this sub, download the full driverpack torrent and have most (Windows) drivers you could need on a USB stick.
Alternatively, a live USB of a Linux distro that includes CUPS and non-free packages by default (eg. Mint or Solus) will boot on just about anything and print to just about any printer without updates.
Further down the rabbit hole: Get an Iodd 2351 or similar and drop in 120+ GB SSD and have multiple bootable Linux ISOs, a WinPE rescue disc (one I like), every windows install media and all the driverpacks available to any computer that can boot to a USB CD-ROM. Since you're talking apocalypse scenario, better hang onto Windows Updates as well... You never know what you may need, right?
> they are big
Wow, amazon even refers to is as a "gigantic big tower". They really want to make sure you realize it is big.
You might want to check out the ODROID-HC1.
I have a Seagate 4TB 2.5" in mine, and it is fantastic for backups.
It can handle being a seedbox and Plex Server. Just don't do too much transcoding from it. (It got about 2FPS when transcoding 1080P H.264 -> H.265 in ffmpeg)
Hardware accelerated NIC is really nice.
if you can wrangle up a little more I love these WD 4tb drives
just reformat it, when you get it, their software is crap
sure, turns out I have 11, but room for 4 more.
warning, its not pretty, and the pictures are slightly better than potato quality. I don't have a lot of room for lighting equipment and camera gear by it :)
basically, I picked up this case around the year 2000, I had several drives in my main pc so I wanted all those bays, and at the time, all those fans to keep my rig cool.
years later, the thing was noisy and I wanted something else, replaced it with a different gaming case that I like much more, and is much more quiet nearly silent which is nice since this is in our living. I passed the to the server where it is much more at home. these are the drive enclosures I am using, they are nothing special and as you can see the drives are packed relatively tight. those puny little fans aren't much, but they keep the temp alarm in stablebits scanner from going off.
Amazon doesn’t seem to carry it anymore, but it’s a rosewill b2 spirit. Same case as the deep silence 6 but without sound dampening. Here’s the link to the deep silence 6. Only thing you have to do is get 5.25 to 3.5 converters. But the 4 dvd drive bays convert to 6 hard drive bays
Deep Silence 6 Super Tower HPTX Case for Sensitive Audio Workstation and Storage Dense Applications, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DSFDSUS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_M2BpDb5EPDDV1
This is a significant jump in price, and perhaps overkill, but the Deep Silence 6 case will fit 13x3.5" + 4x5.25". With slight mods it could fit another 4x3.5" drive cage.
With a sas card (or 3) this would provide lots of storage while not being a rack server.
Just a thought.
I added this 3-in-2 adapter to my R5. It works well for me, although I only put 2 HDDs in it, and my SSD. I did decide to upgrade the fan with a Noctua, to keep it nice and quiet. There are probably better adapters out there, but it works well enough for me.
I found that after some usage the door and filter began to rattle and make a little noise. Since the server sits in my living room with me, I took it out and attached the filter over the fan. Presto, no more noise.
that is a molded splitter. the molded ones will have cordes that go INTO the input and outputs. the crimped ones will have the cords pass through the output, like it is in the one his guy linked here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012BPLW08/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_1r6PBbHJS8FF0
i did buy that thing and it's working great
Norco 24, been using mine for YEARS without issue. Hot swap backplane, accepts an ATX PSU, decent cooling, trays are easy to use, can replace the fan wall for less noise too.
https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916
The WD Mybook 10TB is now at 179€ on amazon.de see https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07CRZK9BX/ and no need for a prime account :)
SMR is the shingled archival drives, right?
I have a 5TB Seagate and it's write performance is good (35 MB/s). It' s on sale for Cyber Monday too for about $100 USD so 2 cents a gig which seems pretty average.
If you want to do a lot of that kind of thing, and you don't mind spending more (Especially if you have a 2.5 inch drive laying around!) you should consider getting an IODD 2531.
It has a physical switch and menu to mount and unmount ISOs and VHDs, and they show up as actual devices to boot from. I've got mine set up with an old 128GB ssd that I wasn't really using, and I've got all the ISOs I might use with a 60GB VHD windows install with a bunch of repair tools and such on it, as well as a 10GB linux install with the same. Mount VHD, reboot, select to boot from that VHD, and it boots like a regular hard drive. It's only SATA 2 internally, so it doesn't hurt all that bad to stick in an old laptop drive either, but it's still waaay faster than any USB stick you are going to get, even most of the 'ssd with USB bridge' ones you can buy assuming you stick in a cheap-as-possible SSD.
If not for the windows installer having a specific check for installing to a drive connected over USB, you can literally mount a blank VHD and iso, then install windows to the VHD. Linux doesn't care either way, so you can happily do that.
yes -- the dock http://www.amazon.com/DOCK-ToughArmor-MB994SK-1B-6Gbps-Mobile/dp/B00PBOOLFK (supports up to 15mm drives), and the drives http://amzn.com/B00ZTRXFBA (12.2mm)
Plus you end up with free SATA-USB3 cables afterwards :P
I bought that but it does not cool very well at all if you do sandwich 3 disks in there. Poor air channel, poor air gap, subpar fan. My disks were running 45+c - Are yours doing better?
I found this to be better: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-RSV-3-5-Inch-Cage-RASA-11001/dp/B005FHHOXE - but the downside is that there are no threaded holes for mounting so you gotta get creative or use some serious elbow grease.
I have one case with 1 and another case with 3. The drives stay nice and cool.
So how can I know which HDD is inside a WD My book 10TB for example?
https://www.amazon.it/WD-10TB-My-Book-Mac/dp/B07CRZK9BX/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&amp;keywords=wd+10tb&amp;qid=1569934673&amp;sr=8-1
I bought this Monoprice one last year and it's been working just fine for me for nearly a year now.
Just don't buy the 99¢ special and you'll be fine.
Just bought one of these off Amazon in the UK for the equizilent of $160 and thought I was getting a good deal.
Checked the US amazon and see I got robbed, there is a sale on and they are 109 US
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1504380613&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=wd+4tb
WD 10TB Elements
220eu213 from amazon.deJust bought this 3 days ago also for 220., all of them came with EMAZ Drives. Need the enclosures for my other drives which are naked right now >.>
otherwise i would just have bought the WD MyBook's for 20 less.
WD MyBook 10TB 200€ From Amazon.de was not so long ago for 175. which is the lowest GB/eur ever?
But Mybooks has hardwareencryption.. which makes it impossible to read it on desktop if you are swapping around without formatting the drive..
Edit:
Amazon.de has a nice offer..
Seagate external 8TB for 135€
WD Elements 8TB for 155
WD MyBook 8TB for 161
WD MyBook DUO 20TB for 463 (amazon.fr) Guranteerd REDS! no whities
This is the one I got. It's got hot swap drives up front with decent sized fans pulling air through the front with a filter on the cover. But I'm sure other have good suggestions too. I think I've got 9 drives in it at the moment.
Rosewill 4U Server Chassis / Server Case / Rackmount Case, Metal Rack Mount Computer Case with 12 Hot Swap Bays & 5 Fans Pre-Installed (RSV-L4412) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_zfnLzb5T6KE30
You could use a server case. They would be perfectly flat and could be put on a shelf/used as one.
https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Rackmount-Computer-Pre-Installed-RSV-R4000/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1487828404&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=rosewill%2Bserver%2Bcase&amp;th=1
These work great
Cable Matters 2 Pack 15 Pin SATA to 4 SATA Power Splitter Cable - 18 Inches https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012BPLW08/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_1r6PBbHJS8FF0
Oh I gotcha. You think I should just move to Stablebit DrivePool? What do you think about the Seagate Archive HDD 8TB SATA 6GBps 128MB Cache SATA Hard Drive (ST8000AS0002) for just storing blu-ray's and tv shows?
I'm just looking for a low cost, stable solution, with plenty of space for growth.
If you haven't seen it, here are 2 high quality 8TB drives in an enclosure (easily removed) for $170. This is an amazing deal and probably won't last long. Get you some!
If you're willing to shuck, you can get 4TB seagate drives from their externals for a little over $100. They're just barracudas inside (15mm, make sure you have compatible bays), but they seem fine to me. I shucked a couple of them a couple months ago and they've been fine so far. Better than my 1TB red 2.5s in terms of speed.
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STDR4000100/dp/B00ZTRXFBA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1497015786&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=seagate+4tb+external
/u/nomad_hoarder, what I would do is to lug around a set of light/compact external disks like the Seagate STDR4000100, format them as 4-disk raidz2 with ZFS, and store your data in them. For your 30TB, a total of 16 disks would be more than enough (with 2TB to spare), and I'd carry them separated in two 8-disk sets: as they are really compact and light, 8 of them suitably packed in bubble wrap would fit snuggly in the bottom of a backpack, and the rest could go on your luggage.
A single $10/mo business GSuite account (which currently allows for unlimited Google Drive capacity) would provide it all with a cloud backup.
I was just in this position.. I've got an older i7 box with 24GB of ram, and had 8x3TB drives crammed into the tower forming a RAID-6 array that was ~97% full. I'm running openmediavault to manage the storage simply because I prefer Linux to something like FreeBSD. It also has a PLEX plugin as well, and I run PLEX on the storage box locally.
After a lot of research, I purchased the following.
LSI 9200-8e - SAS HBA - ~$40
Lenovo ThinkSever SA120 DAS - ~$200
12 drive caddies / trays for the DAS (optional, but suggested) - check eBay, ~$100 total. You can use the caddies that come with the SA120 but need to dremel them and drill screw holes.
I moved all of my drives to the DAS (Except OS drive) leaving 4 more bays for expansion. I added 2 more 3TB drives and grew the array (actually still waiting on that to finish...).
So for ~$350 I moved to a much more flexible setup (you can actually daisy chain the DAS's, so you can buy another one for 12 more bays when you're ready) and extended the life of the setup by quite a bit.
My most recent DAS build:
Add in a 9201-16e for a DAS. Here's a simple DAS build i recently completed for a total of 12x3.5 HDD slots and 4x2.5 SSD slots:
• mATX case [InWin Mana 137]
• 3x5.25 to 5X3.5 HDD adapter [or this one]
• PCIe HDD adapter
• power supply
• fans
• fan controller
• cables [SAS, SAS to SATA forward breakout, SATA power, etc.]
• Optional - PCIe adapter for easier cable connect/disconnects
• Optional - SAS expander
CD/DVD-R media.
-There are also USB HDD/SSD cases that can make the media look/act like a Optical drive, making it read only as well. It can also load multiple OS
https://www.amazon.com/Iodd-Iodd2531-Black-Virtual-Enclosures/dp/B00TDJ4BJU
And the 10TB My Book was on sale on Amazon.com for as low as $145.99:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/10TB-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBBGB0100HBK-NESN/product/B07CMH78R5?context=search
At this point its likely better to wait for 10TB sales, as 8TB drives seem stuck at a certain price-point. The price of the 10 TB drives moves closer and closer to that of current 8TB drives (until the price of the 8TB drives begins to drop further below $99)
Also the 10TB drives are reported to use less energy and are more silent (not sure, cant confirm yet).
SilverStone DS380 is pretty compact, decent quality.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00LSQOY6G/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&amp;condition=new
$230 shipped seems pretty reasonable
I'd consider looking into the Rosewill RSV-4412 4U rack mount server chassis. Has ample space for a motherboard and has 12 drive bays :)
I don't think any such thing exists for multi sata to usb. Atleast not to my knowledge. Another solution would be to use an Internal SAS to External SAS card (Like this) and then use an LSI 9200-8e card in IT mode on your main computer. That would present each hard drive to the computer as an individual hard drive like you were connecting them over USB.
With each port on the Internal to External SAS card you can connect 4 Sata drives.
Thanks, although I was referring to the card that he's pairing this with. Most likely in this sub the IBM ServeRaid m1015
Not sure, got it off an amazon deal for like 149$ CAD
Edit:
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00TKFEEBW
Is it true these are Seagate drives shoved into a Samsung enclosure?
edit: It appears the drive inside these are the Seagate ST4000DM000;
http://amzn.com/B00B99JU4S
Since you're already using DrivePool: You can swap drive letters to mount points super easily, even if a drive is already in a pool.
If you want to just add a shitload of drive bays to your existing computer, without going the NAS/server route, get a DAS.
I use these spliters for more SATA power connectors and These hotswap cages for housing the drives. They are often on sale at newegg for $40-60, this card Flashed to IT mode will add another 8 sata connections via two sas connectors(sff-8087) via a breakout cable
Currently I am running 8x3tb drives in my pc with a gtx 970 and my 550watt PSU handles it just fine.
For as reliable as they are, the price is worth it. I have 8 of them in my Drobo b800fs. 5 years of using 3 different Drobos, never had a drive fail on me.
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-ST4000DM000-3-5-Inch-Internal/dp/B00B99JU4S
I went with something like this without the hotswap bays...
https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Server-Chassis-Rackmount-Metal/dp/B00N9CXGSO/
You can turn internal SAS SFF-8087 ports into external SAS SFF-8088 ports using a bracket like this and some 87 to 87 cables.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PRXOQFA
I would guess, something like this
I'm using a 5TB Seagate Expansion disk (http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STEB5000100/dp/B00TKFEEBW/ref=dp_ob_title_ce). The drive has a USB3.0 controller built in so you can't shuck it and make it into an internal. I've had mine since Feb 2015 w/o issues. The drive is mounted on rubber supports within the case.
The 10TBs are like 79USD
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B07CMH78R5/
They're also available from amazon.com.au for $129.84 AUD + Delivery
https://www.amazon.com.au/exec/obidos/ASIN/B07CMH78R5
EDIT - Looks like they still ship from the US though
I have two servers using this case, my old one and my current one. I wish I would have known the R6 had that many drive bays so I could have gotten that, but alas I had my R4 sitting unopened in a box for a year or so and figured I'd use that since I already paid for it. I ended up buying one of these for $22 to get my 10 drives in there neatly.
I guess other than it being smaller there is no advantage to it over something like this. Silverstone Tek Premium
If you are in Australia, you can also get it from Amazon AU
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B07CMH78R5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1
If you want more than 3 drives, it appears you can order from the difrrent local Amazons.
Eg. I put 6 though by using Amazon US + Amazon AU
(I did cancel 3 after though, cos I can't justify getting 6 and it was just to get cheaper local pricing)
yeah, i ordered a crimp style.
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-108794-24-Inch-15-Pin-Female/dp/B009GULFJ0/
I've had a version of the second one (actually this one) for over two years and performed flawlessly. Not always connected, I plug it once a week to backup photos and documents.
I have a ds380 I am currently buying parts to build my nas in here is a link for amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00IAELTAI?pc_redir=1397498794&amp;robot_redir=1
Edit it has 8 3.5 hotswap and 4 2.5 drives
Amazon (US) has them listed for $150.
Do you have any old PC hardware you'll be re-using for this build?
A 4TB Seagate drive is $118 on Amazon. You'll need 3 of these to get 12TB, and that's with no redundancy or backup. That's $354 which leaves you with $146 for your build. You could save $10 each if you bought the 4TB external drives for $109 each and remove the drive from the enclosure.
You might be able to find a decent processor for $146, but you'd still need a motherboard, RAM, power supply, and case.
Maybe someone else can find cheaper drives for you.
I use one of these.
Rosewill Server Chassis/Server Case/Rackmount Case, 4U Metal Rack Mount Server Chassis with 12 Hot Swap Bays https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_-56xybS1CBC1S
Turn it on it's side and took the handles off makes it a tower. It is freaking huge though, but those are hotswap bays which makes changing out bad drives super easy. Did I mention I own the drive of death, Seagate 3TB? Well actually after this last failure I'm only down to 1 left.
What I use is a Rosewill RSV-L4412, it has 12 hot swap bays and is rack mountable if you want to replace your current case. Just a suggestion.
Seagate Backup Plus 4TB USB 3.0 is the one I am looking at if I switch to 2.5" drives. They are $110 to $120 on amazon or newegg or similarly priced a number of other places.
Model numbers are STDR4000100 (black), STDR4000901 (blue), STDR4000902 (red), and STDR4000900 (silver), but the internals are the same.
Article on shucking them
I suggest getting one of those 2.5 4tb externals. They just cost around a 100 bucks. Just plug in and start backing up.
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=4tb&amp;qid=1569839449&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-3
For ten comfy drives, Fractal Design Define R5
and two of these.
For eleven drives, three toasty, Fractal Design Define R5, and this.
For twelve comfy drives, Lian-Li PC-A79.
For thirteen drives, four comfy: Corsair 750D, this, and this.
For fourteen drives, five toasty: Corsair 750D, this, and this.
https://www.amazon.com/EverCool-Dual-Drive-Triple-Cooling/dp/B0032UUGF4
M1015 apparently was what I was thinking of:
https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Serveraid-M1015-Controller-46M0831/dp/B0034DMSO6
You can (almost always) find them cheaper on ebay.
Here's the guide I used to flash mine:
https://www.servethehome.com/ibm-serveraid-m1015-part-4/
I bought these for a custom case I'm building in an old cheap filing cabinet and I've found them to be very quiet: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FHHOXE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1
Monoprice 108794 24-Inch 4-Pin Molex Male to 4 15-Pin SATA II Female Power Cable Net Jacket https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B009GULFJ0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_hLI1CbGQKJFPP
I'm assuming you're going Molex to SATA.
molex to single SATA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00STNUB04/
Molex to 4 SATA
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GULFJ0/
This isnt the most accurate resource, but according to CamelCamelCamel (Amazon price monitoring), most drives seem to go down almost steady overtime: WD RED 3TB, Seagate 4TB
Right now it's running Gentoo. Though if I had to rebuild it, I'd probably put it on FreeNAS instead.
I don't have a picture of it, but it's in a Norco 4224.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DSFDSUS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1 <- I use this. Currently has 20 3.5" drives and 2 2.5" drives. I can hold even more but my GPU is in the way.
https://www.amazon.com/Silence-XL-ATX-Dampening-Radiator-Mounts/dp/B00DSFDSUS?th=1
You can get a window too.
Something maybe a bit more stylish:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139055
ASROCK C2750D4I
Hitachi NAS Drives
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IAELTAI/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008VQ2Y4K/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Some DDR3 ECC RAM, Should be 1gb of RAM per 1tb of Storage in the NAS, and then Just have a small SSD run FreeNas in the system.
http://www.amazon.com/Mini-ITX-Computer-Server-Storage-support/dp/B012UO63TK
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IAELTAI
http://www.u-nas.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17617
Norco ITX-S4 - https://www.amazon.com/Norco-ITX-S4-Mini-ITX-Computer-Storage/dp/B00J353KH8/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1518033985&amp;sr=8-7&amp;keywords=nas+case
SilverStone Technology Premium 8-bay - https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Premium-Chassis-CS280B/dp/B01LQZI9J6/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1518034060&amp;sr=8-11&amp;keywords=nas+case
SilverStone Technology Premium Mini-ITX / DTX - https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Premium-Chassis-CS280B/dp/B00IAELTAI/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1518034060&amp;sr=8-11&amp;keywords=nas%2Bcase&amp;th=1
I was/am looking into Lenovo SA120s and LSI SAS9200-8E for my expansion. My only concern with the SE3016 is the backplane & max drive capacity.
https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-70F10000UX-THINKSERVER-ATTACHED-HOT-SWAP/dp/B00LSQOY6G/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1467005431&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=lenovo+sa120
Why not get a Lenovo SA120 for $200 with a 3 year warranty?
https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-70F10000UX-THINKSERVER-ATTACHED-HOT-SWAP/dp/B00LSQOY6G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1468287683&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=sa120
How about this Lenovo SA120 ?
You will need hdd caddies or hack the spacers
Just picked up two of these guys, upgrading my parity drives of 3TB to these in unRAID.
I have the Rosewill 4U 12 Hotswap bay case and these drives worked without any modification. The case uses molex connectors to the HDD bays.
Since you specified vertical I'm assuming you've already seen and dismissed Rosewill's offerings?
For the price of that device I would go the xpenology route:
https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Rackmount-Computer-Pre-Installed-RSV-L4412/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=12+bay+chassis&qid=1571771184&sr=8-1
Put the guts of an old gaming computer, if you have one, inside and call it a day. For instance I put an older Intel 2700k/32Gb of ram inside; threw in a LSI 9208-16i and used an SAS to SATA breakout cable. I also had an old GTX 980Ti laying around that I flashed to remove the stream limit for transcoding.
The Asustor will be underpowered for Plex, especially if you start transcoding on it or running numerous streams.
I think that answers my question. I'll just get another Siverstone DS380 case and a bracket
/u/pmow
This is not the cheapest option, just the first I found:
https://www.amazon.com/CableDeconn-SFF-8088-SFF-8087-Adapter-bracket/dp/B00PRXOQFA/ref=pd_cp_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=B00PRXOQFA&amp;pd_rd_r=E3Q5NVBMDPTFGQXBPJ5H&amp;pd_rd_w=Tuhoo&amp;pd_rd_wg=aOinY&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=E3Q5NVBMDPTFGQXBPJ5H
Put one in each of these for your IT guys. (https://www.amazon.com/Iodd-Iodd2531-Black-Virtual-Enclosures/dp/B00TDJ4BJU/ref=pd_cp_147_2?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=B00TDJ4BJU&amp;pd_rd_r=EP0B7XHJC0EYCQ47XN2Q&amp;pd_rd_w=V86cD&amp;pd_rd_wg=gLtWG&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=EP0B7XHJC0EYCQ47XN2Q)
And then scrap the rest.
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STEB5000100/dp/B00TKFEEBW
Perhaps we could also shuck https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STEB5000100/dp/B00TKFEEBW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1466414575&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=seagate+5tb ?
Seagate - $130 - 5tb
The drive in those are these https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-6GBps-128MB-ST8000AS0002/dp/B00XS423SC
Seagates 8TB equivalent for $218
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-6GBps-Internal-ST8000AS0002/dp/B00XS423SC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1463375577&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=seagate+8tb
I bought these, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012BPLW08/
I have used these for many years before I switched to a different case https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Pack-Power-Splitter/dp/B012BPLW08/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1526064045
Oh I think i'm looking for portables.
I can't find info on the 2.5 or 3.5 speeds, but this has 3 year warranty
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=western+digital+passport&amp;qid=1574799474&amp;refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A5446816011%7C7817230011&amp;rnid=562234011&amp;s=electronics&amp;sr=1-2
170 for 2x8TB as well
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074QW86T4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_q2v4Cb1ZMKA8Z
Because the offer did not exist on the AU site. The price was, and still is, $400. Even with shipping+10% GST, it only came out to $155; 61% off
EDIT: I've been shown that the offer did exist on the AU site, but it wasn't when I checked for whatever reason
Might be a 10TB external HDD like this.
Did you go with the 8 TB in this post, or the 10 TB for $79.99 USD? There is a limit of 3 on the 10 TB.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B07CRZK9BX
still there for me
https://www.amazon.de/WD-Book-Desktop-AES-Hardwareverschl%C3%BCsselung-WDBBGB0100HBK-EESN/dp/B07CRZK9BX/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=wd+10tb&amp;qid=1574441972&amp;smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&amp;sr=8-1
Not exactly the same but it should contain the same drive.
or this
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07CRZK9BX
10TB is 199 on ES
https://www.amazon.es/WD-Book-sobremesa-protecci%C3%B3n-contrase%C3%B1a/dp/B07CRZK9BX/ref=sr_1_1?s=black-friday&psr=EY17&ie=UTF8&qid=1542741782&sr=1-1&keywords=my%2Bbook&th=1
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Yes. It was $146 ($145.99 if you want to get technical) 3 months ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/bde8a9/wd_10tb_my_book_desktop_external_hard_drive_usb/
https://camelcamelcamel.com/10TB-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBBGB0100HBK-NESN/product/B07CMH78R5
AFAIK there was no sign of a pricing mistake. They quickly sold out and went on back order and then stopped accepting orders but unlike the infamous $80 ($79.99) etc incident the orders shipped without issue. Also Amazon wasn't the only one to offer that price as B&H also did.
Well I ended up going with this in the end: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FHHOXE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1
I will need to buy longer cables to make it work though :/
Seagate Expansion 5TB Desktop External Hard Drive USB 3.0 (STEB5000100)
Western Digital My Book 10 TB USB 3.0 Desktop Hard Drive with Password Protection and Auto Backup Software - Black
£179.99
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Password-Protection-Software/dp/B07CRZK9BX
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Your best bet is amazon.com Not .ca. Amazon.com... get it shipped 1 day shipping to a PO Box in blaine. Anything in Canada will be expensive. Some examples -
https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1467534062&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=24+bay Click on sellers... amaozn has it. Delivers by july 06...costs $100 for 1 day shipping (less, if you buy a year of prime)
To $3-6000 ones.. All deliverable by july 06, if that works.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=24+bay
Cheaper than buying the HDD alone.
(ST4000LM024 is the newer drive that's found in the Backup Plus Portable).
That would be the most efficient and economical, and done properly with this CableDeconn Dual Mini SAS SFF-8088 To SAS36P SFF-8087 Adapter In PCI bracket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PRXOQFA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_BqNwzbV4SGD8K I personally would just run it in a empty pcie bracket though to keep component count down to decrease failure rate.
Amazon Link, and cheaper to boot.
Drive mounting is different, with toolless sleds rather than screwed on slide rails, but it's essentially the same part.
The advantage of these is you get a higher density (GB/m3), a 3 year warranty, you don't void the warranty when you shuck them, and there are no potential weird issues because they are proper reds (e.g. the 3.3 V problem). They do cost more per GB though, even compared to the 10TB My Book right now:
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Dual 8TB still showing $170 for those that missed the $80 10TB.
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As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the duals are supposed to be guaranteed reds and shucking is allowed.
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edit: link https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074QW86T4/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
No, I wouldn't risk it. This is likely a drive that has been taken out of an enclosure, which means you may have to work with the seller on replacements. These 5TB drives can be found new in cases for around $120-130. I have 6 of these in my array, I broke them out of enclosures my self.
People have asked the same question in the past as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/3200rl/buyer_beware_cheap_5tb_seagate_barracuda/
They come from these:
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STEB5000100/dp/B00TKFEEBW
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Desktop-External-STDT5000100/dp/B00J0O5R2I
No problem. Otherwise I assume they are giving shipping addresses outside the UK special pricing seeing that we have to add shipping and import duties to the price. I tried using a UK vpn but no difference - it must be based on the shipping address. Still the US site has no such "discounts" and are much more expensive
Does it have to be hotswap?
If not I used one of these for about 10 months
EverCool Dual 5.25 in. Drive Bay to Triple 3.5 in. HDD Cooling Box https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0032UUGF4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ZRGCCbFJ77584
It only converts to hold 3 hdds. But it's only 25 bucks. And if you have 3 5.25 bays that still gives you 9 more drives of storage. Hell. If you pay for the shipping I'd give you mine as I don't need it anymore.
I only have 1 though. I don't need it because I finally converted to an actual server case that holds 15 drives in a 4u form factor.