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u/jermofo · 2 pointsr/JungianTypology

OK, I'll start with a rough explanation of how the Enneagram of Process as explained by JG Bennett works, since that is key to understanding what is involved here. First the Enneagram is a symbol representing an inherent structure that is beyond linear comprehension. We tend to think in linear terms as one event causing another, when actually it is a process that is more complex and cyclical than that. So you've got the triangle and the Law of Three and this is juxtaposed with the Hexad with the Law of Seven, which are circumscribed with the line representing the serpent Chronos that devours itself by its own tail. The pyramid represents the three sources or stages at points 3,6,and 9. The circle itself is also representative of point 0, so in a sense 0 and 9 are the same point and in a sense they are distinct, being separated only by time and the beginning of one process and the completion of another. So when Gulenko describes the four stages of information cycle as P, P to K, K, and finally K back to P (where P is potential energy and is kinetic) it is really just a matter of perspective if there are three stages rather than four here when the process is cyclical or if you are considering point 0 or point 9 as discrete stages. It is in this sense that I've come to realize that the base of three versus the base of four in the two systems is not as important as it would seem, you just have to think beyond linear means.

Next we have the Law of Seven which is represent by the hexad and the six steps of 1, 4, 2, 8, 5, and 7. This is derived by dividing 1 by 7, which results in the unique repeating decimal pattern. So here we get a two-fold progression with one being around the circle from 1 to nine and one about the hexad in the pattern of connected inner lines. The circle is a dynamic progression, while the hexad is the series of static progressions that correspond with the dynamic. The problem is, is that you cannot accurately move from point A to point B with any level of certainty due to unforeseeable environmental factors or E. What actually happens is you go from point A to E (something happens that alters your trajectory or plan) and you arrive at point B^1, requiring you to correct your trajectory to arrive at point B with further steps. You need to take care of contingencies to properly advance to the next dynamic point. For example, if you are starting at point 1 in a metaphor of a kitchen ready for work, you have to take care of the input of raw food at 3 and the looking ahead at the planning of preparing of food at 4 before you can move on to 2 which is the kitchen at work. You can't cook without food and if you just start cooking without figuring out what you are going to cook, the process will quickly become dysfunctional and come to a halt. Here is a picture of the Kitchen as a Cosmos Enneagram to see what Bennett is getting at here.

That is roughly how the process goes on the right hand side which is the raw food in this metaphor, where the processes are all about what happens externally. Now to get to the cooked food side, you have to go from 2 to point 8 and envision what the actual meal is going to look like and from there you move to 5 with the cooking of the food. The community enters at point 6 on the separate dynamic line of the circle and a new stage of what was the purpose of the raw food at point 3 begins. Meanwhile from point 5 you move to 7 with the serving of the meal and wrap up the cycle by moving back to point 1 by cleaning the kitchen and reading the kitchen to start the cycle all over again and to point 9 with life, being the ultimate purpose of the food. Now all of these steps had to proceed in this order to make the process work. If the process is smooth is it is effortless and unnoticed, but if a step goes wrong the whole thing comes to a halt. Bennett gives several other examples of how this process plays out. One that I think is a good example of when one steps takes down the whole process is his analogy of manufacturing and bring a successful product to market. In real life, we can look at the colossal failure of Samsung with their Note 7. They screwed up at point 8, with is Quality Control which leads to point 5 with a Perfected Design not living up to the Planned Product at point 7.

The Enneagram of Process is much more involved, but that is the very basic rundown of the process. If you are interested, this is the book that I am referring to here and I highly recommend it. It totally changed my understanding of the Enneagram in a single day.

Now I'm not exactly sure what I am going to come up with here as far as connecting this with Socionics, but I've become convinced that this Process is a legitimate thing and it can be found all over in life. Other chapters in the book sound so similar to Gulenko's ideas that I wonder if Gulenko isn't already aware of the Process or if he is just able to intuit the Process on his own. I'm still sifting through the information to find exact correlations, I'll throw out some connections that I've come across so far. First pull up a picture of the Enneagram and imagine that it represents the Socionics functional model, with point 1 as Ti, 2 as Ne, etc. Don't worry about point 9 right now. I think that it might correspond with Gurdjieff's function of Movement, which would set the Enneagram in perpetual motion. Were are using a symbolic structure here and not a precise Ti model.

Some connections that seem immediately apparent are your static functions are on one side, dynamic on the others. Your functions by dimensionality are all parallel, for example Ti at 1 and Ni at 8 on down. Ti and Te are connected, as are Ne and Ni as functions that cross from one side to another. The bottom of the Enneagram, which is incomplete or the void of chaos and confusion is where the Polr and Dual Seeking functions land. You can't cross over from 4 to 5 without burning down the bridge behind you. 3 and 6 are considered shock points and in both the Gulenko article and on Bennett's work they seem to relate to entering the world as a role and then as mobilizing towards a new stage in the process as your focus shifts from ego in relation to society to more like the self seeking completion. I also think that there may be something going on that relates to the ring of supervision on the right and benefit on the left. Maybe you could spot that easier than I can, as my understanding of how that works is still shakey. I'll piece all this together, but I wanted to get some input from others here and lay down some background information before I try to assemble all the information that I perceive in a coherent way.

I'm not sure how the aspects of energy might play out here, but if you think about it in a circular manner, like a roller-coaster going over a loop, it might make some symbolic sense. You start with high energy at the top of the loop that then peters out at the right side of the bottom, which picks up more momentum as it climbs up the bottom of the left side after coasting for a bit. It slows down again at 6 or Si as it struggles to make it uphill to 7 or Te where it accelerates again at the final bend at 8 and Ni. I'm not sure here, as I am still in need of figuring out Model G completely.

I wasn't aware of the 3-1 symmetry explicitly, but that makes sense. As far as how this correlates to what I'm getting at here, I have a fuzzy idea. Ok, so the Law of Seven can be most easily understood in relation to the Octave. I don't know if you are familiar with music theory, but basically there are seven notes that sound pleasing to the ear that make the progression of an octave. I'll post more about this in a separate post, but the Enneagram is considered a progression of three octaves with specific occurrences happening at particular intervals, with 3 and 6 not represented as they are shock points. In the post I made a couple of days ago, Gulenko classifies the various intertype relations as quadra, octave, asymmetrical relations, and neighboring quadras. Here, the octave refers to Gammas for Alphas, etc. Perhaps Model A here is a two octave progression where Alpha-Gamma comprise one octave and Beta-Delta comprise a second octave that starts with the first shock point of three (where there is a 1/2 step progression, rather than the usual full step), while the expected shock point of 7 is missed (the other 1/2 step progression) in favor of the unexpected shock at 6, which might be due to the dominance of the second octave's shock point at the new 3. There seems to be a pattern of introverts having their asymmetry at 4 and 5, while extroverts have their asymmetry at 5 and 6. Actually when looking at duals, there is also a form of symmetry. Look at INTP vs ESFJ. INTP is supervised by ESTP, yet ESFJ is their benefactor. The reverse is true. ESFJ is supervised by INFJ, while it is the benefactor to their dual, INTP. Asymmetry is just another form of symmetry. I've noted similar relationship where it comes to music theory and inertype relations when it comes to harmony and disharmony, but still need to fully figure out what the pattern is.

u/peppermint-kiss · 3 pointsr/JungianTypology

Ahhhh that post is so embarrassing lol. *\^_\^*

It's been a while since I read it, but some of my ideas came from the book The Next 100 Years by George Friedman, who also is involved in Stratfor, if you want more glimpses of how things may turn out in the near future. Stratfor in particular is pretty dense, so maybe you'll enjoy it! He also has two books, called The Next Decade (2011) and Flashpoints: The Emerging Crisis in Europe (2015) that I want to read (although the former may be a little...well, late, lol). Oh, also, CaspianReport is fantastic. :D (Pretty sure he's INTP!)

ETA: Ohhhhh I also have to recommend The Crash of 2016 by Thom Hartmann! It set its predictions a year or two early but otherwise is spot on imo. You can see a ~1 hour video on the topic of the book with its author here.