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I guess DB Cooper would be the ultimate. That would certainly lead to celebrity and fame, since he might even still be alive. I haven't kept up on the recent developments but would really like to read this new book on Cooper. I listened to this podcast interview with the author and it sounds really interesting.

From the Avery trial transcripts March 8 2007

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Jury-Trial-Transcript-Day-19-2007Mar08.pdf

Page 111

[Strang] Q Okay. All right. And, um, do you remember where -- How did you know the woman was taking photographs?

[Buchner] A I saw a woman taking photographs. I saw a camera.



(Camera found in burn barrel: http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-3-2MP-Digital-Camera/dp/B0001G6U4I )



Page 117

[Gahn] And you can't tell us, though, to the exactly
what day it was you made these observations?

[Buchner] No.

Q And can you say for sure whether it was the week
of October 31?

A No.

~~

Q Could it have been two weeks before?

A Yes. I -- I don't know.

Q So you don't know exactly when it was you saw
this woman taking pictures?

A No.

Q And do you remember -- Well, let me ask you this:
How close did you get to her?

A I have no idea how far away it would have been. I
was in a school bus, dropped kids off and drove away.
I'm --

~~

Q Okay. Could you just give us an idea --

A Um --

Q -- of how far away she was when you saw her? And
it's okay if you can't.

A I -- I have no idea.

(points out location on map)


Page 120

[Gahn] Do you know how many cars she was taking
photographs of?

[Buchner] No.

Q And, um, could you describe any of the clothing?

A No.

Q Could it have been a man with long hair?

A I don't think so.

Q Okay. I -- I'm just -- I know -- You're --
you're sure it was a woman?

A Yes, I remember it being a woman.

Q Okay. All right. Thank you so much, Ms.
Buchner. Appreciate it.

I was writing about Phil Houston, an ex-CIA employee who was paid by the CIA to develop software to detect deceptive responses. I think the man is as flaky as the MK Ultra and the Men Who Stare At Goats guys. Form your own opinion.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/deception-experts-jury-is-correct-steve-avery-is-guilty/

http://www.amazon.com/Spy-Lie-Former-Officers-Deception/dp/1250029627/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1458654169&sr=1-1&keywords=Phil+Houston

http://www.amazon.com/Get-Truth-Former-Officers-Persuade/dp/1250043336/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1458654169&sr=1-2&keywords=Phil+Houston

If you would like some true information regarding the CIA's ability to detect deception watch the documentary Taxi To the Dark Side.
http://www.amazon.com/Taxi-Dark-Side-Alex-Gibney/dp/B018TLEPMU/ref=sr_1_1?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1458654891&sr=1-1&keywords=taxi+to+the+dark+side

Naa just make him buy $100 worth of KK book.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1944648003/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_twi_har_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1524107022&sr=1-1&refinements=p_27%3AKen+Kratz

This is an insert from a book written by John Schafer. Schafer is a professor at Western Illinois University in the Law Enforcement and Justice Administration (LEJA) Department. He is a retired FBI Special Agent. He served as behavioral analyst assigned to FBI's National Security Behavioral Analysis Program. This book points out ways to determine deception. He analysed Brendan's interview and broke it down.

Book was released in 2010 and can be found here: http://amzn.com/0398079285

Interesting to note that the prosecutor in that case is also the author of the BOOK about the Avery case...

http://www.amazon.com/Innocent-Killer-Conviction-Astonishing-Aftermath/dp/1627223630/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450723142&sr=8-1&keywords=innocent+killer

Documentary about Greg Taylor case - http://www.wral.com/news/local/documentaries/page/10942135/

True story (book, not doc) about a framing in NC - similar to the Halbach investigation in many ways
www.amazon.com/Framed-Google-Maps-Lynne-Blanchard-ebook/dp/B01625QUUK/

Also, the Duke Lacrosse 30 for 30 doc on ESPN was excellent, but I'm not sure if they will have it available online or not. http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/11/espn-to-air-30-for-30-fantastic-lies-on-duke-lacrosse-team/

I recommend you read this: http://www.amazon.ca/Unfair-The-Science-Criminal-Injustice/dp/0770437761
This story will be an even bigger heartbreaker when you realize that type of judiciary misconduct goes on (on a smaller level) every single day in the United States.

> If memory serves, I think even the jury was 7-5 on their initial vote for acquittal, and it took a long time (and some bullying) to win over the seven.

Source for all of this? You were there?

I get it, you are a defense attorney. I've seen your comments which assume, in general, that prosecutors are unscrupulous and care only about convictions. Not an uncommon position to be taken by people who make their living opposing those people.

>Not to push product, but my arguments (both from a procedural and substantive perspective) can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Convicting-Avery-Bizarre-Broken-Murderer/dp/1633882551

I'll read them if you say you will respond to any comments I might have. I'm here for discussion, not reading assignments. I could refer you to about one hundred posts of mine here. Would you read them?

Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Innocent-Killer-Conviction-Astonishing-Aftermath/dp/1627223630/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450793874&sr=8-1&keywords=the+innocent+killer

HAVING JUST PASSED THE 10-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE >DEATH OF OUR DAUGHTER AND SISTER, TERESA, WE ARE SADDENED TO LEARN THAT INDIVIDUALS AND CORPORATIONS CONTINUE TO CREATE ENTERTAINMENT AND TO SEEK PROFIT FROM OUR LOSS

Are you going to condemn Kratz too?

https://www.amazon.com/Avery-Against-Steven-Making-Murderer/dp/1944648003?

There is a piece of the camera that is recognizable. First I believe there is either a typo or a mistake in the camera name in your post. In the CASO it is called a Canon Powershot A310. This link show what one looks like

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-3-2MP-Digital-Camera/dp/B0001G6U4I

Now when you look at the burn remnants you will see the slide-able lens cover in there.

This image has it in the red square. http://imgur.com/ckhD0uo

Just want to let you know that there is at least one recognizable piece of her camera was found in the burn barrel.


EDTA: in your post

Teresa's AT camera, a Canon Powershot A310, did use CF.

according to this book, painting cats is something people do

>... syntax, phonetics, and semantics...

here is an entire book on it.

[here] (http://savethevowels.org/praat/UsingPraatforLinguisticResearchLatest.pdf) is a very long journal article on the use of praat in linguistic research.

Here is a youtube video showing some of the basic uses of praat in a linguistics context, for identifying vowels, similar to what I was trying to do.

Here is the wiki for acoustic phonetics, the subfield of phonetics that would do recording analysis.

This is a must read for anyone who works, or who has worked in radio. It's a hoot.

http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sex-Broadcasting-Handbook-Community/dp/0917320018

I got interested in cases like this after following a trial in which the accused was framed with Google map files. No other evidence connected him to the murder. The trial was 5 years ago and I still can't stop looking at cases like this. The Avery case is similar in a lot of ways - both have major corruption and official misconduct. I'm obsessed with the Avery case now and trying to understand everything that happened.

I published a book about the Cooper case last year www.amazon.com/Framed-Google-Maps-Lynne-Blanchard-ebook/dp/B01625QUUK/

Here is one of my blog sites https://justiceforbradcooper.wordpress.com/

>With Avery and Dassey? That's a new one.

Not sure what you mean by that? If you were trying to say he thinks Avery and Dassey are guilty, the answer is idk if he thinks both are guilty, but I am fairly sure he falls in the guilty with SA at least. Here is his book.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Innocent-Killer-Conviction-Astonishing/dp/1627223630

The photo is from the criminal complaint on page 3 of this link:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Criminal-Complaint.pdf

Aside from that, he is never mentioned in this case again that I have seen. Did a quick google search and found his obituary (he passed away in 2014) which does list his credentials.

http://www.informedchoicefunerals.com/obituary/122525/Kenneth-Bennett//

Also he wrote this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Human-Skeletal-Identification/dp/0398058849/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

Edit: Forgot to include a link

I do, but my bigger problem is with the procedures -- more so than the outcome itself. But I still think there was RD. If memory serves, I think even the jury was 7-5 on their initial vote for acquittal, and it took a long time (and some bullying) to win over the seven. I'm not trying to dodge you, but I'll have to summarize my position as this: too much prosecutor sophistry, too many cops and other government agents playing foot loose with protocol, and the lack of physical evidence where I would expect to see it. Not to push product, but my arguments (both from a procedural and substantive perspective) can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Convicting-Avery-Bizarre-Broken-Murderer/dp/1633882551

Problem is that police use a tactic that almost guarantees that a victim will pick "the guy they like" out of the line up. They have the suspect somewhere where the victim can see them before the line-up inside the police station. Then they do the line-up. Victim has seen the "perp" in custody and figures it must be that guys. The victim picks their guy. Slam dunk and compelling as hell. Problem is that some of these folks then get DNA testing after being in prison for decades. Source: http://www.amazon.com/Actual-Innocence-Justice-Wrong-Right/dp/0451209826/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452823186&sr=8-1&keywords=actual+innocence

If you are remembering that quote from Mind Hunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit (http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Hunter-Inside-Elite-Serial/dp/0671528904), you are remembering it wrong. It states that serial sexual killers become skilled in "domination, manipulation and control". (key word being serial)

Again, it is far too nuanced to talk about it with such certainty. Are there people who get sexual gratification from the power they have over people in hose situation? 100%. More often than not most likely. But not always.

Here is a scenario. Drunk man takes home drunk girl and they begin to have consensual sex. But part way through, right before he is about to finish even, she wants to stop and expresses that clearly. He keeps going though. That is rape. But I wouldn't say that the motive was power over women. Another good example is spousal rape.

>Imagine holding down someone who's crying and pleading for you to go away, and forcing yourself on them sexually.

Rapes rarely happen like this.

Here are a couple sources on sexual gratification and rape:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=64084

http://www.ajol.info/index.php/ifep/article/view/23610

http://www.jstor.org/stable/800239?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14616660110049609

http://socpro.oxfordjournals.org/content/32/3/251

Also a practicing criminal defence lawyer. Going to analyse this and be a bit of a devil's advocate.

>The car - Colburn called in to dispatch asking them to run plate numbers that turn out to be Teresa Halbech's, and after she tells him its a missing person's car, he tells the dispatcher "99 Toyota?", which she confirms. He had no real explanation on the stand. He looked like a deer in the headlights under questioning. Really strong proof Colburn was involved in moving the car to Avery's property.

No - not "really strong proof". It's a circumstantial suggestion that Colburn moved the RAV4 to the Avery salvage yard. It doesn't prove that he did so. Circumstantial proof can only be relied upon for a conviction if the ONLY logical inference from that circumstance is guilt. If there is any other logical inference that can be drawn that favours innocence, that must be favoured.

is it shady? Yeah. Does it raise reasonable doubt to the prosecution case? Yes! But does it prove Colburn moved the car? No.

> The key - They searched that room for days, and the cabinet. ... A key with blood on it, found by the same officer who knew about the blood vial because he had been in charge of transmitting it earlier, a blood vial that had been compromised and had blood drawn from it.

This is the really compelling evidence of police planting the DNA evidence. Yes, it's circumstantial again, but this time what are the logical inferences?

• the house has been searched for days
  
• no key has been found previously
  
• no blood has been found previously
  
• one of the police who has been in contact with a blood sample from Steven Avery suddenly and conveniently finds crucial evidence damning Avery?
  
  Yeah. The only logical inference from those circumstances is that Lenk planted the evidence.
  
  > This is the place where he "shot" her in their theory, but they can't find a trace of blood on ANYTHING in a garage strewn with a hundred objects. They can't find blood seeped into cracks in the concrete they tear up.
  
  This is also really telling. The house is pretty grotty. It's very hoarder-esque. But NOTHING got blood spatter on it? From what was, by Dassey's description, a violent and bloodthirsty crime?
  
  It beggars belief.
  
  > Just a guess, of course, but we know the judge wasn't bothered by admitting a test that can produce false negatives. And juries are often in awe of FBI forensics. It's like magic to them. You can practically hear the CSI theme song running in their heads.
  
  The damn CSI effect. I've seen judges lose their shit in criminal trials in Australia when the jury foreperson has requested further forensic evidence. "It's not like TV! You have to make your decision based on the evidence available, not the evidence that you think can be found via the magic of forensic testing that doesn't exist outside of TV land!!"
  
  Some good reading on the topic:
  
  
• http://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/the-csi-effect-fact-or-fiction
  
• https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Donald_Shelton/publication/222705662_Examining_the_CSI-effect_in_the_cases_of_circumstantial_evidence_and_eyewitness_testimony_Multivariate_and_path_analyses/links/02bfe50d7d658bdac7000000.pdf
  
• http://archive.cspo.org/documents/csieffectheinrick.pdf
  
• I'm reading this at the moment - looks at more than just DNA or forensic evidence but the way science is misused in law to razzle dazzle juries and judges http://www.amazon.com/No-Magic-Wand-Idealization-Science/dp/0742550230
  
  > The confession of the nephew - That confession might have me more angry than the planting of the evidence. No one should be able to watch that tape and think that confession has an ounce of validity to it.
  
  Me too. I've represented a lot of children in criminal matters and a lot of people with intellectual disabilities. The way that Dassey is interrogated is awful. He is clearly just guessing and fishing around for what he thinks the investigators want to hear. It's the most striking example of gratuitous concurrence. There is no way that "confession" should have been permitted in court.
  
  > I feel confident Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are innocent.
  
  I'm confident Dassey is innocent. I'm very open to being persuaded that Avery is innocent.
  
  But you know what? None of that really matters. What matters is that the investigation, prosecution and trial were such a sham, such a violation of fair trial rights. The Prosecution could not, should not have been able to discharge its burden of proof: to prove the elements of the offence of homicide beyond reasonable doubt.
  

I don't know of any particular source to point you on that directly, but I think you should read From Slavery to Mass Incarceration by Lois Wacquant, and Racecraft by Karen and Barbara Fields, and The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander.

[From Slavery to Mass Incarceration article and PDF] (http://newleftreview.org/II/13/loic-wacquant-from-slavery-to-mass-incarceration)

Racecraft (book)

New Jim Crow

None of these sources addresses for-profit prisons directly, I don't think (I don't recall maybe New Jim Crow does) but I think they'll be informative. I know you aren't talking about race but you can't talk about poverty and incarceration in this country without talking about race. From Slavery demonstrates how the economic system of the US has always depended on the extraction of cheap or free labor from black people while socially ostracizing black bodies. This began with slavery and it tracks its evolution to mass incarceration, and ends with a note about how there is developing a for-profit prison system which is basically extracting slave labor from large numbers of blacks and repeating the same pattern. The New Jim Crow does a good job of explaining how mass incarceration is the direct result of post Civil Rights era attempts to roll back the gains made during the Civil Rights movement, and goes into detail about the suppression and theft of black productivity that it institutes.

You asked about for profit prisons, but here I am talking about black people - why? This is where Racecraft comes in because it demonstrates how the entire purpose of racial distinctions and classifications is not only to create hierarchies between black and white, but to create hierarchies between rich whites and everyone else. The effect of this for hundreds of years has been, by injecting racial divisions, to destroy the ability of the lower classes, black white or otherwise, to unite and act productively in order to achieve class equality.

Thinking about that, it follows that the drug war, and the irrational, racist fears of the crack epidemic, and extremely harsh penalties in favor of "law and order" spiraled into a system where all poor people are at risk of being scooped up and enslaved in a system where their labor can be extracted for almost no wage -they are still economically productive but they can't actually reap the benefits of their own production. But whenever we talk about the issue, notice the discussion always devolves into a discussion about "black culture" and "white privilege" and so on...Racecraft really made me believe that it's not just that race and class are "linked" - in America, they are identical issues, whose two facets are obscured from each other.

You might also want to read Discipline and Punish for a background on prison systems generally, and how they are designed to perpetuate criminality and create a criminal underclass for the exploitation of the rest of society.