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I want to start by saying I’m not affiliated with Amazon, nor are any of the links affiliate links. I’m just a guy that looks for good bargains and wants to share what I found.

Background:

I live in Austria and I’ve been flying micros, the TinyHawk, Mobula7, M80, and a custom 65mm since the beginning of the year in my apartment. Austria has super strict laws regarding UAV’s and you need an expensive license to fly anything larger than 250 grams. Under 250g’s, you’re free to fly as you please as long as you’re not flying around a populated area. I decided to go with micros for the time being to keep myself under the radar and get my flight time in before I eventually move back to the states in a couple years.

I’m generally a price conscious person and I’ll spend a lot of time looking for good deals, usually through Banggood. I’ll stuff something in my wishlist and wait for it to go on sale, the transmitter I got for 85€, goggles for 40€ etc. So, when I started looking for a backpack to become a bit more portable and fly away from my apartment, I got a bit of sticker shock when I saw the prices on “quad bags”. A buddy of mine suggested the bag he has, the Lowepro Quadguard BP X2, but at 110€ it would be the most expensive piece of my FPV equipment, additionally I needed something that would be able to hold my 15.6” laptop that I need for school, which the BP X2 does not have the space for. I looked at the other big budget backpack that is recommended around Reddit, which is the Realacc Backpack, but again, no space for a laptop.

After digging and digging, I decided the best way to go would be to get a camera bag that has a laptop sleeve. Enter the AmazonBasics DSLR and Laptop Backpack. I want to take a moment to say that there are 3 AmazonBasics bags that have the same description, only their dimensions are different, I’ll link the backpacks at the end. Fortunately, I decided on the backpack a few days before Prime Day and was able to pick it up for 27€. At the time of this writing, it is not on sale and is listed at 34€. I got it in and opened it up and immediately spent the next hour trying to arrange the padded walls to fit everything that I wanted to stuff inside. The timing was perfect because I would be going back to the US for a 3-week trip to visit family in 5 different states and I could run a nice torture test on it.

Items I brought in the bag for the 3 week trip:

15.6" Laptop, 3” Spare Props, QX7 Transmitter, EV800, Diatone R349, Mobula7, TinyHawk, Sunglasses w/ Case, Lipo bag with 16 1s batteries and 2 4s batteries, charger for EV800, 65mm Spare Props, Lipo charger, spare parts, mouse, magazine, school book, 7" tablet, charging wires for tablet and laptop plus adapters, pens, and screwdrivers.

Review:

Pros:

• Price! 27€
  
• The size was just about perfect. I say just about perfect with two caveats that are not enough to make them cons. I would have liked the top of the backpack to not taper in. The base of the bag is deeper than the top of the bag by a few centimeters. Similarly, the top of the bag also curves in on the sides a bit. Not enough to take away points, but enough that it is noticeable.
  
• Zipper feel. It’s a funny item to include, but the zippers feel really good, not overly robust, but incredibly smooth.
  
• Large laptop sleeve, good for up to a 17” laptop.
  
• Straps felt secure, additional straps for across the chest and waist are provided to help distribute weight. I found that I didn’t need the waist strap and there is no way to remove it without cutting them out, I was usually able to fold them over themselves to keep them out of the way, but I would have preferred to not have them. I did use the chest strap, however.
  
• Adjustable interior pads. These were really convenient; they gave a lot of options for configurability. I ended up not using the two longest pads though.
  
• Front pocket held a surprising number of items.
  
• The bag stood upright on its own with it fully loaded.
  
• Fit as a carry-on underneath the seat of every plane I was on, including some small regional jets! (some planes were tighter than others)
  
• Did I mention the price??
  
  Cons:
  
  
• Side pockets are fixed with a Velcro cover. This may not be a con to some people, but I would have rather had a mesh pocket with elastic. That would be much more versatile for my usage, that being said, I was able to stuff my laptop charger into the two pouches. (Main cable in one, and the brick in the other. My brick is pretty small, only 80cm or so YMMV).
  
• No straps on the outside of the front of the backpack to strap a larger quad. You could buy one of those adapters from ebay.
  
• It does have a feeling of being a little cheap, in my travels I didn’t have any fraying, but other reviews I read have reported fraying and seams unraveling after only a few months. I was generally quite mindful of the bag and didn’t throw it around too much.
  
  

  Overall:
  

  
  You can’t beat it for the price. If you’re a budget conscious flyer like me, and lets face it if you stuck around to read all of this than you are, it’s a no brainer just go and buy it.
  
  

  Links:
  

  Amazon.com - AmazonBasics DSLR Camera and Laptop Backpack Bag - 13 x 9 x 18 Inches
  
  Amazon.de - AmazonBasics DSLR Camera and Laptop Backpack Bag - 13 x 9 x 18 Inches
  
  Suggested Buckle Mounts for Backpack

To be honest, you're being quite vague about what experience you want to have. But given that you mentioned the Amazon gift card, I'll throw you some options from there, since you may view it as an opportunity to just 'blow' the money on something you otherwise wouldn't spend your own cash on.

If you are possibly interested in FPV, you could do worse than an all in one kit with a whoop, controller and goggles. It's really entry level/fun stuff, but will give you a feel for FPV flying and you can do it in the comfort of your own home:

Makerfire Whoop

If you just want something a little bigger you can fly about your yard and use your phone with over wifi and maybe take some passable shots of your bbq party or whatever, then maybe something like this (lots of similar options around the price):

Holy Stone Wifi drone

Another option for a cheap small drone with a controller that has an fpv screen built-in and can fly indoors or outdoors, is a Hubsan X4. I actually started with one of these. The camera isn't great and its hard to actually fly FPV with it, but the thing is easy to fly LoS and goes like stink for such a little thing:

Hubsan x4

There is also a larger version of that Hubsan, but still in your budget, the h502s:

Hubsan H502s

Lastly, if you want to be able to take some actually half decent footage and are happy to throw some extra money on top of the gift card, you could do a lot worse than a Hubsan h501s:

Hubsan h501s

Although personally I think the advanced version with the upgrade controller is a better option, but does cost more. I have one of these and they are really quite capable drones:

Hubsan h501s pro

Anyhoo, hope some of that might be useful. Good luck and welcome to the hobby!

I highly suggest picking up something small and cheap that you can mess around with and learn the mechanics of multi flight while you figure everything else out. I personally like the Hubsan x4 and they also have one with a camera on it for a little extra. I should have started with the Hubsan (or other microquad) because I crashed my first build terribly which set me back several months of repair.

For your first bigger multi you could look into the Cinetanks if you're interested in zipping around (link is only to a frame, but they have suggested parts in the right sidebar). I've heard good things about the DJI Flamewheels.

What I've been doing as I get ready for my next multi is to look at the build logs section of the sub wiki. Gives me a good idea of what I'd like and what other people have done too. I also suggest checking the two forums on the sidebar (multi and rcg) The guys at Multirotor pretty much held my hand and walked me through my first build, which I'm really grateful for.

Good luck! And welcome. :D

Ok, so there are a lot of things I'd probably change :)

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Motors - SabotageRC Booty 2306-2300kV, they're cheaper and significantly higher quality than the DYS you're looking at (they are made by DYS, as well, but with much higher quality components and build quality)

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ESC - beware Racerstar. Some things they OEM and you get a good product for a good price, but others you get significant drops in quality. I would pay a few cents more apiece and get Spedix ES-20 Lite ESCs.

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VTX - the one you selected is decent, but your soldering skills need to be up to par, the wires come undone from the VTX extremely easily and are incredibly difficult to reattach. I would recommend a few dollars more to get an AKK VTX with either larger pads or a connector.

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VTX antennas - There are better ones out there. Lumenier Axii is one of the best and most durable (and significantly lighter), pagoda antennas being slightly better in some regards but more fragile.

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Radio - The Turnigy Evolution is about the same price now and is a better choice than the FS-i6. Still uses the Flysky AFHDS2A protocol, so it will work with the receiver you selected (and there are now others that are good, as well). If the phonebook style radio appeals to you, then the i6 is the only cheap choice, but keep in mind it is a CHEAP radio, not an inexpensive one.

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Wire - I would suggest ordering some 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28 gauge wire from Hobbyking (as much as they suck, they're the only place that sells lengths of wire inexpensively). Getting 1m of each wire in both black and red should only be 10-15 bucks IIRC.

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Power supply for charger - get a supply that is at least 19v and 200 watts, like this: https://www.amazon.com/MEAN-WELL-LRS-200-24-211-2W-Switchable/dp/B00YMA7I7C/ it is a few dollars more, but you can also run your charger at its full output, which will come in handy for charging your batteries in a timely fashion.

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Soldering iron - get a quality one, you're going to need it. https://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/

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You should also get some no-clean flux: https://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-milliliters-Pneumatic-Dispensing/dp/B00425FUW2/

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Decent solder: https://www.amazon.com/MAIYUM-63-37-solder-electrical-soldering/dp/B076QF1Y85/

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And a tip cleaner: https://www.amazon.com/Hakko-599B-02-Wire-type-soldering-cleaner/dp/B00FZPGDLA/

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That should get you well on your way - still on a budget, but you'll hate yourself WAY less when you go to build it and have decent equipment. :)

A good quality soldering iron will ensure that you can get the solder hot enough to make good joints. A soldering iron that does 40 watts is recommended. I started out with a Weller WLC-100, ($40) but am now using an 898D ($70-100) soldering / rework station which uses the Hakko tips (much cheaper than weller tips). The Weller worked pretty well, but the 898D can get hotter and has a digital temperature control. I use a small needle tip, but some people prefer a bit larger tip because you can get better heat transfer.

Use 60/40 rosin core solder, which works great for electronics and RC, and flows very well. You may also want to get some solder paste (flux) which will also help flow the solder and go where you want it to. Usually a solder diameter around .03 inch is good. I use this solder from Radioshack.

Seems like everyone is assuming he wants a kit and to build it himself, but I don't see that you said that. So, is that the case?

Will this be his first multicopter? If so, I would recommend something that is ready to fly (RTF) right out of the box. There are lots of good options, but I really enjoy my Hubsan x4 simply because how easy it is to get replacement parts. The price and reliability are nice as well ;)

You can put him together a nice "kit" with a hard case, spare parts, extra batteries for about $175 $135 on Amazon. It will be RTF, but also give him room to learn about the platform and repair mistakes.

EDIT: Actually a little cheaper... if he has not flow before, this is a fun, cheap christmas present.

Complete Starter Kit for Hubsan x4 | ------------
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Hubsan H107C | $54.00 |
Carrying Case | $24.99 |
Crash Kit | $17.50 |
5 Extra Batteries | $18.39 |
Battery Charger | $6.36 |
Prop Guard | $2.73 |
------------|------------
Total | $123.97

No worries! I actually have the Syma x1, the Hubsan x4, and the Nano QX so I've had plenty of first hand experience on all 3 of the super popular ones.

The specific Syma x1 I have is this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00906PKQ4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Its the cheapest of the 3 and has the longest flight time. However this means it has the longest charge time (about 90 minutes for around 20+ minutes of flight)

The Nano will fly for around 10+ minutes and charges in around 35 minutes.

The Hubsan takes around 45 minutes to charge and flies for about 6~7 minutes depending on if you have the guard attached.

Of the 3 the Syma is the easiest to fly, and the best for a total beginner to learn on. However the Syma does not have blade guards, but the blades themselves are very sturdy (in about 50 flights and many crashes from various heights onto various surfaces I have yet to break a single propeller)

The Nano is my favorite hands down, best bang for your buck if you can afford the $70~100 price range. However due to its incredible agility it would be rather hard to learn on and would crash a lot. I've had all 3 for months and I still can't fly the Nano in agility mode indoors. Seriously, that sucker can move. The Hubsan is kinda a happy medium between the Syma and Nano in nearly every aspect. Personally its my least favorite of the 3, but it is still a very solid beginner copter. The Hubsan isn't bad by any means, its just that the other two are better in my opinion. The Hubsan is the heaviest of the 3 despite it being the smallest. Also the Hubsan has the shortest flight time, but a longer charge time than the Nano.

Also, very important - if you get a Hubsan DO NOT GET THE CAMERA upgraded version. The camera is really bad, it doesn't come with a micro SD card, any video playback will include the lovely sound of the motors (they are very loud in flight) as performed by the world's worst microphone at max volume, and the camera is always on (even with no card inserted) so it drains the battery faster than the non camera version. (not to mention the added weight)

If I had some spare cash I would definitely buy a second Nano, they are that awesome once you know how to fly. I would also probably buy another Syma because the quality for the cost is fantastic. Honestly I would buy a second Syma x1 instead of an extra battery for the first one. Its like $10~15 for an extra battery kit, I personally would rather just have 2 copters for 30 bucks instead of just one with an extra battery. (you can cannibalize one if the other breaks, plus that gives you 2 chargers, 2 controllers, 2 batteries, and a total of 16 propellers to use. Not to mention a total of 8 motors and 2 flight boards) So if you plan on crashing a lot just spring for a second one instead of a repair kit.

I know everything I said about the Hubsan seems negative, but its still a very good starter copter at a very reasonable price. Having used one as much as I have, I would absolutely buy it again (minus the damn camera) if I ever had a reason to. That being said I should warn you, my Hubsan - and possibly all Hubsans, are out for blood and are face seeking. I've gotten some fairly bad cuts and bruises from mine. Do yourself a favor and just keep away from the flip button until you have either a lot of room / experience, or some sort of bullet proof shield to hide behind.

If you have any other questions about copters or learning to fly I would be more than happy to try and answer them. I know that finding specific information about this stuff can be kinda hard or confusing at times.

Here are links to the other two quads I talked about:

Hubsan x4 - http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E/ref=pd_sim_sbs_t_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=197PJ9NDQ5JDVB73REBF

Nano QX - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CYHZN8G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I realize this probably isn't revolutionary, but worth sharing for those that hadn't seen it.

I love my little Hubsan X4 for bashing around in the house at night or when my girls want me to 'fly the super helicopter'. My other quad is a Vortex 250 Pro, so its not reasonable to practice FPV inside, and between works and kids my time is limited.

So, I :

• bought a Spektrum FPV Ultra Mini Camera, and about 5 grams of mass.
  
• removed the bottom case of the X4
  
• removed the Hubsan's stock video recording camera (about 3.5g saved)...
  
• soldered the power lead for the camera to the pads that provided power to the recording camera
  
• carefully put it back together and double sided taped the camera to the top of the quad.
  
  Overall +~1.5g
  
  Its pretty fun, hasn't broken over the last few batteries and crashes, and seems like it might be some reasonable practice.
  
  Certainly the camera has a battery impact - went from about 7 minutes to about 4 - but I have lots of spare batteries.
  
  Just a thought for others in the same scenario.
  

Well that mostly depends on budget. I got this Eachine Wizard x220 a few days ago, but I got the bind & fly version since I already have a radio. This thing is GREAT, my main quad I built about a month ago needs to be tuned and I didn't have time to today so I flew this instead for all of my flights and it is SHARP. The RTF version (the one I linked) comes with everything you need to fly but you'd also need goggles like FatSharks if you're willing to spend a lot on goggles or Eachine VR007's if you want something cheaper to start out on FPV with. I started with the Eachine's and they work fine, but after awhile the size will start to get annoying with no DVR and some other bells and whistles FatSharks have (I just got FatSharks a couple days ago and they're great!). And of course you would need a camera. The first GoPro session does 1080p60fps and it's only $200 so you'd be under $500. I'm not 100% sure this comes with a battery too though so you'd want a few extra 4S 1300mAh batteries and a charger for them (lot's of different options here so these are the batteries I use and here is the charger I use ). Just make sure you get batteries with an "XT60" connector and your charger has an XT60 charging cable. Here's a great video made by a fellow r/Multicopter user on how to safely charge LiPo batteries. They are no joke!

Anyway this is a GREAT quad to start with, the only downside to it IMO is that it uses the "FlySky" radio transmitter and receiver which is not that great. I started out with a different version of the one this has and my first quad lost signal and smashed face first into concrete from over 50 feet up. Luckily most components on these are tough as nails so it's a cheap fix, I just had to replace a GoPro lens (GET LENS PROTECTORS!) and a couple small parts. Anyway, I believe the radio in this one is a newer version that has had way less problems than mine, so if you get it maybe just range test low and over grass or something before going crazy?

If you want to watch a review of this quad, here's a great review made by u/uavfutures (same guy that did the LiPo video), who convinced me to buy it and I wasn't disappointed.

One more thing...have you ever flown a quad before or flown FPV? If not you may want to pick up a Blade Inductrix FPV and some goggles to get the basic idea down before you spend money on something you don't know how to fly. If you have any more questions let me know!

Assuming you saw one on the set for some film stuff, I assume you're interested in a more AP-style rig like a DJI product. Most of the people here are more interested in a DIY "racing/freestyle" FPV miniquad, a smaller, mostly carbon fibre build that's intended to be fast, responsive, and an immersive flying experience. So, your first decision is whether you're after a more casual photography rig or a quicker, racing quad.

In either case, most of the other comments seem to say "buy something small and cheap and start learning", and I'll second that advice. Most of us here fly "FPV", wearing goggles that show us what a small camera on board broadcast. Before you can do that though, you need to learn the basics of flight, ideally "line of sight", without the goggles.

The Hubsan gets recommended a lot (H107L) because it was one of the best, cheap quads out there. They're $32 on Amazon and are a good starting point. Make sure to grab some extra propellers and a couple more batteries, flight time is about 5 minute of casual hovering.

For a little less though, I cannot recommend the Eachine H8 Mini enough. It's smaller, a little more responsive, and just as durable. Once you're more familiar with the basics of flight, too, you can try out "rate" (manual, no auto-leveling) mode with this one too for about $10 and some time flashing firmware.

From there, once you get used to the basics of control, you can start adding in cameras and goggles and practicing FPV. Eventually, you can work your way up to a larger miniquad.

And always feel free to ask more questions if you have them!

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Yeah it's a pretty common cheap tx for beginners. I can't find any mode 2 tx on Amazon. I think this one is a mode 2 so should work.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0744DPPL8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_cpaSBbFCTAAFP


And here's the cable you need for use with simulators or any game.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AAETLVY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_XuaSBbYTBB400


Or if you want a better Tx that's 'futureproof' consider paying more and getting a Taranis Qx7. It's about 100 bucks and both the hardware and firmware are better in quality and there is gobs and gobs of support online as it's one of the most used TX in the whole RC hobby. Plus there's no extra adapter cable needed to use with Sims. Any micro USB cable, plug it in to your PC and it's auto recognized by most Sims.

https://alofthobbies.com/frsky-taranis-q-x7.html
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XQWQ7C3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fMaSBb5CRX90A

You will lose a little bit of flight time with the stock battery and motors. The carbon frame is a tad bit heavier than the plastic.

I recommend these batteries now that you have the room and these props... I get around 12-13 minutes of actual flight time with that setup. No, not hover time... moderately aggressive flight time.

Be aware that your lift to weight ratio is now a bit smaller, and if you use the stock flight controller the craft will want to "dig" when you tilt forward to pick up speed quickly. With higher power motors this will likely not be as big an issue. Don't get me wrong though, it still flies like a beast, but it requires more attention than the original symmetrical layout.

Also, the LEDs are now extremely difficult to use for orientation. Consider purchasing some bigger ones to mount on the corners.

Good luck!

Edit: Here's mine with only new frame, battery, and props: http://imgur.com/bx9QRQg

Edit 2: The foil tape is a temporary measure to protect the original motor wires, which were too short to be secured to the body/arms. The new motors have much longer wires and will be secured properly while soldering in.

Thanks for your interest!

• The controller doesn't seem to have any outputs. You may be getting the H107C confused with the H107D (the FPV version). This version just has a small recording camera that has a button on it.
  
  
• Sure!
  
  
• The quadcopter was $60, the FPV pod was $100, and the Picnic quads frame (I think it was the Platform X^3/100/8.5mm) was $10.
  
  
• It still flies great! I weighed everything but the electronics from the stock X4, (15 grams) and then weighed the new frame and FPV pod (11 grams!). With a new bit of wire spliced in, the battery tray, and some tape, it weighs about the same. Woohoo!
  
  I'm hoping to sometime get another pair of goggles and a Blade QX FPV (I already have the normal Nano QX and I love it).

I'm not sure if there's a consumer grade quad out there that will be able to do that. Your best chance to keep things cheap (low cost, not low quality) and efficient is a custom build. From the components I have off the top of my head, I'm fairly sure you can do it for $1000 (with FPV equipment, including receiver , except for the screen/goggles). With some careful thought and a little optimizing, you could probably get it down. What's going to end up costing the most will be the high efficiency motors, and the high power batteries.

If you want to start flying quads, here's the same advice you'd get anywhere else on this subreddit, put down about $50 on a Hubsan X4. It'll take the crashes while you're learning so a more expensive quad doesn't have to. It's pretty durable so you won't have to worry about breaking it either.

Sorry, Tx means trasmitter (IE your "remote control"). Rx means receiver. Your Tx transmits the inputs from your sticks and the Rx on the quad picks up on that to control it. Tx's and Rx's communicate on special protocols, but most of the higher end Tx's use modules so one Tx can be used with different protocols. For instance the Blade uses the DSM protocol (AKA spektrum as well) and will require you to have a DSM compatible Tx (or Tx module) to control it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N3WQVJ6/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687642&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00N3WQXIK&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0HF6P2RBVKSVWJWNS71K

there is the spektrum available on amazon from a Prime seller for 100$

http://www.surveilzone.com/16CH-0008lux-58G-Wireless-Mini-Camera-with-Audio-90-degree--g-1304

here is virtually the same setup for 50$ cheaper. I have no personal experience with the second camera, but as far as I can tell it is pretty much the exact same thing. Surveilzone also gets used quite frequently here for FPV cams, so it might be worth checking into if you want to save some cash!

Please note these micro cameras are only 25 mw which means range is limited to 100 meters at best and they really suffer in low light conditions. Image quality is not amazing, but it works quite well, don't expect HD quality viewing with them though!

I recently bought myself a Flysky FS i6X transmitter for about $50 and this cable: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AAETLVY?ref%5F=oh%5Faui%5Fdetailpage%5Fo02%5Fs00&redirect=true&psc=1&pldnSite=1
Plugged it into my Mac last night (just got the transmitter yesterday) and it works perfectly with both FPVFreerider and Liftoff. Maybe ask him if he would be interested in that. Tell him you will get him that stuff (and maybe a HubsanX4 to fly for real) and when he gets good with the sim, you can get him a better higher end quad. Once I get good with the sim, I'm going to get this: http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-Wizard-X220-FPV-Racing-Drone-Blheli_S-F3-6DOF-2205-2300KV-Motors-5_8G-48CH-200MW-VTX-ARF-p-1085802.html?rmmds=search with some goggles. I've always wanted to do FPV and then get an action cam to attach to it so I can record video. I'm personally not really into "racing" quads around, I just want to fly and take cool video.

Hey buddy! Okay I have a super easy solution, and it happens to be the most practical and money-conscious thing to do:

Buy yourself a toy-quality quad. Either a Hubsan or a Syma. They've got good range, good hover time, fully functional, and have a camera. You can crash both of them repeatedly, and you'll learn everything you need to. Then, it'll make your next decision super easy. You'll know all the pros and cons yourself.

You want one of these cheapo quads to get all the bad habits out of the way before investing and spending money

This is close to what I started with and is probably your best bet for something in that price range. The best way to learn is to just play around with it. They're pretty easy to fly.

You're spot on for the propeller measurements. One thing to keep in mind is almost everyone runs 5" props, so you'll have a lot more options if you build based around that. The only benefit you can find from 6" is if are intentionally trying to do efficient flying for more time, otherwise you won't really see much of a difference.
The additional benefit of smaller props is that you can go a bit smaller on your build, which means less force across the frame when you land and less breaking. I find that 4mm arms are the sweet spot for durability, 3mm is just a little bit low for anything above 150mm. Removable arms are even better while learning, so you don't have to replace the entire frame if one breaks.

I have normal Prime, but not sure if the stuff that shows as Prime eligible for me is the same as the one-day eligible stuff for you. That being said, if I had to build a drone from Amazon right now, I'd go with:

Frame 1 or 2 (actually have this one from a previous build)
ESCs (I prefer separate ESCs rather than 4-in-1 or all-in-1 in case anything breaks)
Flight controller
PDB
Props 1 or 2 depending on what your motors can handle, should be able to do either based on that kv and measurement
Receiver (assuming you get the QX7)
Video transmitter
Camera
Batteries
Charger
Balance board for charging multiple batteries

Left out motors since it sounds like you have some in mind. This kind of build will have plenty of power, probably hover at around 30% throttle if I had to guess, so just keep that in mind. You can tone it down manually by getting some less aggressive propellers, in the flight controller max throttle, or on your transmitter max throttle, but I recommend just getting used to it. Also mess around in simulators, there weren't any when I started out and I would have probably saved a few hundred in parts if they were (though parts back then were like 8x the cost they are today).

honestly the best place to start is a syma x5c very little initial cost, works great indoors and out, and if the kid loses inerested you are out $40. the same crappy brushless quad is rebranded and costs $150+ at toys R us/target etc..

if they do get the bug, and want more, well come back and we'll help direct you towards the best way to spend another $200+ :D

This is just my opinion but I would recommend buying the [husband X4] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IZC6C8E/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00IZC6C8E&linkCode=as2&tag=phreakenterp-20&linkId=OQXRQ5RIBJ3C2N3U)

It's cheap and easy to learn on. But on whether to build or not. Building is:

• cheaper for the same product
  
  
• more customizable
  
  
• easier to fix when you break something
  
  
• More work to setup
  
  
• Can require technical knowledge (this subreddit can help you learn)
  
  Just my 2 cents.

Im sure its fine, but its super overpriced. Effectively looks like a syma x1 with a fancy, heavy frame over it.

Get the syma x1 for $35 or the hubsan x4: http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E/

Here is a link to it on amazon. Would be happy to send an affiliate link if you like :)

https://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-Silicone-Modified-Conformal/dp/B008O9YIV6/

Seriously though, this stuff works well for me. I can fly and crash into snow with confidence. :)

Sorry for the late reply. First of all, take all of this with a grain of salt. This is my first build, so I am by no means an expert. You should definitely look in to all this on your own rather than blindly trust my purchases.
Here are the tools I got in my Amazon order:

• Wire Stripper
  
• No Clean Flux Paste
  
• XT60 Connectors
  
• 60/40 Rosin Core Solder
  
• Loctite Threadlocker 242 (blue)
  
• Weller 40 Watt soldering station
  
• Solder tip cleaner
  
• Helping hand with LED
  
• Bullet connectors
  
• Liquid electrical tape
  
• Heatshrink variety pack
  
• Chisel tip for soldering iron
  
• Servo cables
  
• 12/14/16 AWG silicone wire
  
• Zip ties
  
  I hope this helps.
  
  

Hey, I purchased a Taranis X9D today with the intent of buying a micro as my first decent quad (I've trashed a few cheap ones learning how to fly). Once the radio arrives I plan on practicing with a sim while the (unpurchased yet) quad is in the mail.

I realise it's expensive, but the MOSKITO 70 is the frontrunner on my my micro shopping list right now. If my understanding is correct, the brushed motors on the three linked quads will wear out after a while, unlike the MOSKITO, correct?

On the Multicopter sidebar, the sidebars Batteries and Charging has some great info, however I'm still a little unclear on:

1. The difference between batteries. Looking at banggoods "1s lipo battery" page, there are all manner of mAh ratings for each battery. Can any of these be used on the micro quads listed above? Is a higher C-Rating always better?
   
2. A 1S battery doesn't have multiple cells to be balanced, so the recommended Hitec RCD 44212 X4 is a simple buy. But if I were to move onto 2S or greater, would I need to choose between a Balance Charger or a Parallel Charger?

Do you know how to fly yet? Before I even began to figure out how to build a full size multicopter, I started with this Syma X1 -> http://www.amazon.com/Syma-Channel-2-4G-Quad-Copter/dp/B00906PKQ4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372570534&sr=8-2&keywords=syma+x1
Even if you know you're going to build one, if you've never flown one, order that first.

After that, I would look at a kit. People love to poopoo the stock DJI motors and ESCs that come with the 'DJI F450 Flamewheel ARF kit', but the point is, you know that when you put all of it together, add in a flight controller, ubec, and rx; that the damn thing is going to fly. Hard to beat that small amount of security! http://www.ebay.com/itm/DJI-FLAME-WHEEL-F450-ARF-KIT-INCLUDES-MOTORS-ESC-PROPELLERS-/130882504206?pt=US_Radio_Control_Control_Line&hash=item1e7934860e

If you have followed my instructions so far, you can use this video to assemble the above kit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUTHIL_Xfcc

Then all that's left is a flight controller (Hobby King kk2.0 or a MultiWii are both high quality and cheap!), batteries, battery charger, connecters, servo cables, transmitter/receiver, and a sunny day!

Good luck! I've had a few tonight, so gimme slack if I missed something!

Thanks for the reply!

Yes, I have ER9x flashed and this is the USB adapter I have been trying to use.

I'm having a similar problem, I think. It just doesn't register at all. Nothing installs or pops up when I plug it in and no controllers show up in Windows or simulator settings. The Tx does, however, power up when I plug it in.

Any ideas? Did you have to remove the module for yours to work?

I'd prefer to use the USB adapter over 3.5mm connection. But at this point I'll take anything that works. haha So I'd appreciate any tips you might have. Thanks!

I just recently started myself with [this] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CP5NSGG) and have really enjoyed it a lot. Feels like I'm already immeasurably better at controlling it and I've only had ten or twelve flights. I would definitely recommend this model for learning on.

http://www.amazon.com/SYMA-Explorers-6-Axis-Quadcopter-Camera/dp/B00MNG37C2

That first. While you're learning to fly, do lots of research, keep it up until you know what you need to buy yourself. The links I provided earlier are a good start, but it's really best to have a good understanding of everything before jumping in.

I know it's a cultural difference, but I think exchanging a gift for a different one if it gets more use makes way more sense. You would most likely have way more fun with a micro FPV quad like the Hubsan H107D for example.

Hah, it does sound like it :)

I just know how much kids love these things, and how easy they are to break.

EDIT: err, I mean - http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410873331&sr=8-1&keywords=hubsan+x4

wow, that's a great answer. A lot of good, helpful info.

what is your criticism of the Hubsan-H107D-FPV?

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107D-FPV-Mini-Quadcopter/dp/B00GSNWB5K/ref=sr_1_3?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1426292589&sr=1-3

/u/spacetimmy \^ this charger is your most basic intro, I bought the more generic Tenergy combo (XT60 plug needed) and it has suited me till now (9 months). I upgraded to the ISDT Q6 plus w/ parallel board & PSU and DAMN i was missing out. So much happier now. but take /u/pkvillager 's advice if you want to upgrade later, my buddy sports the iCharger w/ a server psu and it's a BEAST.

I also rock the Turnigy graphenes 4S 65C and they have been GREAT! I know budgets hurt, but i tend to buy my lipos in two's. In the event one flakes out.

not sure if in the US, buuuut WAIT FOR MEMORIAL DAY SALES!!!!!! I have patience, and tend to wait around for sales, next ones will be memorial day. Shop around and determine the best place to get the most things.

Yea, I realized I needed something small to get good at the controls. I came across the Syma X1 which looks like it has pretty good reviews and is cheap...

Has he ever flown anything?

If not then the stock answer is to go with one of the "toy" quads. They are fairly inexpensive, very durable, and replacement parts are plentiful and cheap for the inevitable crashes. Once he gets the hang of that, then he can move up to something that's more powerful, and expensive.

Don't be fooled by the size, these are still fairly tough to get the hang of flying, and are really great fun. Most can be flown indoors as well.

The Hubsan H107 gets recommended quite a bit (I own one, and it's been great).

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107-L_M2-The-X4-H107L/dp/B00CP5NSGG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1407263704&sr=8-2&keywords=quadcopter

With that you'd want to get both the prop guard, and the crash kit.

The Syma X1 gets a lot of recommendations as well:

http://www.amazon.com/Syma-Channel-2-4G-Quad-Copter/dp/B0096SJU3U/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1407263704&sr=8-5&keywords=quadcopter

http://www.amazon.com/Syma-Channel-2-4G-Quad-Copter/dp/B00906PKQ4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1407263704&sr=8-8&keywords=quadcopter

And there's the Estes Proto X (I don't see many recommendations for this, but have seen it mentioned in other places quite a bit):

http://www.amazon.com/Estes-Proto-Quadcopter-Colors-Black/dp/B00G924W98/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1407263704&sr=8-6&keywords=quadcopter

I'm sure there are more that I'm missing, but I'm sure others will chime in.

From everything I've read here, the Hubsan X4 series are great. There are new ones coming out at some point in the future, however the current versions are great, and cheap as well.

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Channel-2-4GHz-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E

If you are willing to drop a little bit of coin, but don't want to go too crazy this guy is pretty popular: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=33Z9SEU0RU74U&coliid=I177ELVX243CET

For starting out, and into the foreseeable future, one like this would probably server you just fine: http://www.amazon.com/Weller-SP40NKUS-Watt-Soldering-Black/dp/B00B3SG7F0/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1421030141&sr=1-2&keywords=weller+soldering+iron

Your best bet is it start with something like this then when you get comfortable flying, you can build a FPV 250 for ~ $600-$1000.

Just to be sure because i live in germany.
Do these look like the right parts?

https://www.amazon.de/Hubsan-H107L-Radiosteuerung-Quadrocopter-Spielzeug/dp/B00IZC6C8E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465071284&sr=8-1&keywords=hubsan+x4

https://www.amazon.de/Hubsan-Quadcopter-Flugzeug-Helikopter-8-5x20mm/dp/B00TIDNBEC/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1465071245&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=Tera+4+Pcs+Quadcopter+Spare+Parts+3.7V+Motor+7x20mm+for+Hubsan+X4+H107L+Quadcopter

https://www.amazon.de/Haibei-Propeller-Rotorbl%C3%A4tter-Quadcopter-Ersatzteile/dp/B014PASS40/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465071422&sr=8-1&keywords=walkera+ladybird+props

https://www.amazon.de/Keenstone-LiPo-Akku-4-Kanal-QuadCopter-Super-CP/dp/B01DK7N2OK/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465071191&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=5pcs+Tenergy+3.7V+380mAh+LiPO+Battery+for+Hubsan
And thank you for the help.

I am not sure that receiver will work with the wizard but This one is what I use and it works great. I use This cable to connect to my pc and it is just plug and play.

Oh I see it has a trainer port but its not a 3.5mm cable like on spektrum the best way to hook it up would buy a cable for it something like this https://www.amazon.com/GoolRC-Universal-Flight-Simulator-Futaba/dp/B00DR4I4O0

Also a vid if u just want to solder up the cable yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF2BIekw2tw

These were $40 at Radio Shack. Get one from there or your local hobby shop, practice with it until you get good, then head back to your local hobby shop, walk up to the guy at the counter and say "I have $160 and I've been practicing with a Hubsan. What's a good model I can upgrade to?"

Win.

Syma X1 - $30

I just got this last week and have been flying it everyday with a Turnigy 9X. This is fantastic for a first quad and for learning how to fly. It handles light and medium wind pretty well and is indestructible. Buy a bunch of batteries if you decide to purchase it. I'm currently waiting on a whole bunch of batteries to come in from China.

I've been pretty happy with these clear props:
http://www.amazon.com/AFUNTA-Transparent-Propellers-Quadcopter-Helicopter/dp/B00RE5US38/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451986117&sr=8-1&keywords=hubsan+clear+props

They seem more bendable/durable than the stock ones.

One of my friends bought the Hubsan x4 and I got the Syma x1

I personally like the Syma more, it feels more controlled and easier to fly. Also was a few bucks cheaper. Ive been flying it for about a month now and have nothing bad to say about it

I love these little Hubsan X4’s. I always buy the version without a camera and without the “altitude hold/flight stabilization” horseshit. The basic plain Jane 4”quad. One of the X4’s with a half dozen batteries (always upgrade battery, don’t buy stock lipos they suuuck) and you’ll have an absolute blast for $40. Also great for night flight with the leds.

https://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Channel-2-4GHz-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3FQP7KZKRDLF7&keywords=hubsan+x4&qid=1554822023&s=gateway&sprefix=hubsan&sr=8-3

I also recently got into the hobby and I use this Weller WLC100 it's got a small chisel tip but it's pretty good

Something like that should work in theory, but you should probably look for some reviews for what looks like really cheap Chinese electronics. I've got the Hitec x4 Micro, which is twice the price, but really nice.

http://www.amazon.com/X4-Micro-AC-LiPo-Charger/dp/B00FYL2INM

Cheaper, maybe, but not by much with goggles.

Quads built yourself generally are ones you wouldn't want to be flying around inside the house as well.

If you just want to get in the air and have FPV going, you could consider a Hubsan X4 H107D:
http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107D-FPV-Mini-Quadcopter/dp/B00GSNWB5K

Or a Ladybird FPV: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2EE10T4994&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-RC+Toys-_-9SIA2EE10T4994&gclid=CLmzvLuU0cICFRBgfgodj40Avg&gclsrc=aw.ds

Both come ready to fly as well as a monitor for fpv on the transmitter

> walkera ladybird prop

Get these(amazon or banggood) and the frame that I linked.It will fly way,way better then with that poly frame that you have.Guaranteed!

Here is the female connecter needed for your board.Amazon/banggood also has the 380/400 mah,which I think is the best size for your build.

http://www.rc-drones.com/HubsanWalkera-Style-battery-Connector-MaleFemale_p_1049.html

http://www.amazon.com/Keenstone-Battery-Channel-QuadCopter-Walkera/dp/B00S8VEH3E/ref=sr_1_2?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1462406040&sr=1-2&keywords=380+mah

http://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-Battery-Channel-QuadCopter-Walkera/dp/B00HS5Y6G4/ref=sr_1_4?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1462406040&sr=1-4&keywords=380+mah

Those hubsan multi-chargers are hit and miss. Some are great, some aren't. It's nearly impossible to tell which brand is good or not. If you're willing to spend a some more money on a solid charger, get the Hitec X4 micro ac/dc charger.

This is what I have, and what many people in this sub will tell you to get.

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E

You would be safe also getting the crash pack:
http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107-Quadcopter-Crash-Pack/dp/B00D3LTTU0

Very small very fun and very easy to learn nn. I've had mine for over a year now and I still fly it every couple days.

Thank you! I spent 20 minutes earlier this evening trying to figure out which dongle to get for my new Turnigy (For $21 how can you not get one?! :) 9x on osx.

I can't wait to try it on aerofly and fpv free rider.

BTW, has anyone tried the copters on aerofly? Are the physics are pathetic? or is my setup?

Edit: This dongle is only available in the international warehouse w/ $20+ shipping. It appears this one on amazon has free shipping with reasonable estimates on timing http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Flight-Simulator-Cable-Futaba/dp/B00DR4I4O0/ for $10 USD

I've got a FlySky FS-i6X and this cable that I use with my Mac on FPV Freerider. Works perfectly fine, but at $60 for the transmitter (with X6B receiver) and another $10 for the cable I'd rather just get a Taranis Q X7. Yeah, it is another $35 from getfpv.com and doesn't come with the receiver, but it looks like a kick ass transmitter.

Otherwise, there is also the FS-i6 without receiver that currently costs $37 on banggood (which would also need that above mentioned cable), the Turnigy Evolution for around $77 and the FS-i6S which is around $60. The Turnigy Evolution and FS-i6S controllers have the same electronics, but drastically different design. The Evolution has a design quite like an XBox controller and has a decent following. Both of those are connectable with just a regular USB cable.

I've had lots of fun with the x5c. Might go with something better down the road, footage isn't too bad either, check out videos on youtube...

http://www.amazon.com/Syma-Channel-2-4GHz-Explorers-Copter/dp/B00KI03U8Q

Your best bet like ichelo said is to get a micro brushed quad from this website or a Syma X1 from amazon.

Thanks for the answers!

Part 1:
After thinking about Hubsan x4 vs Syma x1 carefully and researching on google, I still decided to go with Hubsan X4, mainly because I will probably have to be flying indoors since it's going to start snowing here pretty soon. :(

1. http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E.
   
   I will also buy the propeller guard. What I am curious about is, seeing as the flight time is only a little over 5 minutes, what extra batteries should I get for it and what charger? Would these do?
   
   
2. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B3GP1R2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A329XU3OEAWG5H
   
3. http://www.amazon.com/ThinkMax%C2%AE-In-Battery-Charger-Hubsan/dp/B00LGWQ4FG/ref=pd_bxgy_t_text_y
   
   Part2:
   Oh, that was my bad. A week or so ago, we were thinking about getting a hexacopter with a gopro and later upgrading it to be able to lift dslr devices, hence the second dslr gimbal. But seeing as gopro4 has some pretty good quality, we probably won't need to be lifting dslrs any time soon. Is the gimbal we get with f550 kit any good? Also, the f550 kit says we need to get a controler, but I have no idea which one.
   
   The FPV you recommended is this one, right?
   
   
4. https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__66474__Skyzone_Plug_N_Play_FPV_500_Set_With_TS58500_TX_RC832_RX_Sony_700CCD_and_C_P_Antennas.html
   
   We would probably need to get an aditional controler with LCD screen, right?

The Hubsan is more like ~$50 and the Syma is $30 off of amazon (With prime!)

Syma X1 4 Channel 2.4G RC Quad Copter - Spacecraft

A bit larger then the Hubsan. But probably easier to fly for it. I have had a #3 key camera on mine with a bigger battery and it still flew ok (they get a little sluggish with more weight)

Hubsan X4

Orrrr with a camera for $13 more here

This guy is a micro, but incredibly tough and a great starter/learner. Get extra props or the prop guards.

I would recommend wraith32 escs if you're going to spend that much money. They support a higher dshot and are rated for more amps.

https://www.fpvmodel.com/wraith32-32bit-35a-blheli_32-esc-dshot1200_g1271.html

You should get a Pagoda-2, it's designed to work with a case which protects the axial ratio of the antenna.

https://www.banggood.com/5_8-GHz-Pagoda-Omnidirectional-FPV-Flat-Panel-Antenna-LHCPRHCP-SMA-Male-p-1159835.html?rmmds=search

And lastly those batteries are good but they're cheaper on amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Tattu-Battery-1300mAh-14-8V-Airplane/dp/B013I9T0T6

I dont get it?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008O9YIV6
is $13 is that out of your price range?
The nice thing about actual conformal coating is that you can solder through the coating or remove it if needed. Had grate luck with it so-fare.

They sell https://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-Silicone-Conformal-Coating/dp/B008O9YGQI its about $5 more though, it is an Aerosol. Never used it before though.

Is that worth the extra 80% price increase over something like this?

EDIT: Math...

I use one of these to carry all my stuff.

There's plenty of configurable room inside for tools, changers, batteries, props, a laptop, and anything else you might need to bring.

I know you were against putting the quad on the outside, but the tripod strap on the side will easily hold two 5" quads and it's pretty hard to put the bag down on it's side because of the somewhat flat bottom.

Build quality isn't bad at all either, when I grabbed mine it was only $30, so I'm not sure where the $40 current price is coming from, but this bag has held up to a decent bit of abuse and is easily worth it.

Can't go wrong with the Hitech X4. One of the best purchases I've made in the micros.

Thanks for the guide, looking to buy my first quad soon. Between the Hubsan X4 HD and this, what would you recommend?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00KI03U8Q/ref=pd_aw_sbs_1?pi=SL500_SS115&simLd=1&dpPl=1&dpID=31fZXbjQd6L

Weller is the tried and true irons a lot of people use. We had a decent one in an old shop I was a part of and it kept going for years, real nice solder joints.

http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC

This one from Amazon would get you started. its good to pay a little more for this one than one of the shits from Radioshack.

I bought these ones and they've worked out really well. They are slightly thicker than the OEM ones, but I haven't had a problem getting them in or out. I agree capacity-wise they generally don't provide much more flight time than OEM, but I've found I get significantly more time if I charge and then immediately use. Even charging in the morning for evening flying seems not quite as long. It's not just the aftermarket ones either.

may i recommend you and your friends pool 45 dollars and have the time of your lives with a hubsan x4 H107L

Depends, how much you wanna spend?

I have this one and I love it. https://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473696178&sr=8-3&keywords=weller

I've only messed with low end stuff, but I love my hubsan X4.

I have the hd camera version, but there is a cheaper one without a camera and a more expensive one that sends back video.

My 2 cents says get the Syma X5C-1

Once you get that you can install these

video transmitter

camera

Now, you get to find, build, or buy a 5.8ghz antenna

you will also need a video receiver, the quanum diy kit works well


Additonally they have the 5.8ghz setup for the syma The screen is good resolution, just small.

Hmm if it were me I probably wouldn't do it. It's rated for 8A and your power supply is only 6A. Another option if you decide not to do what you are looking at is this

Combo Special: Tenergy TB6-B Balance Charger for NiMH/NiCD/Li-PO/Li-Fe Battery Packs + Power Supply https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00466PKE0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_BvPHyb4001D47

I have it and love it. Along with a parallel charging board I can charge 6 Lipos at a time!

Yep, the real thing packaged in a factory box. It does not come with a battery though. I recommend the tenergy 380's on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HS5Y6G4/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1421780800&sr=1&keywords=tenergy. Also spend $7 on a 4 port charger: http://www.amazon.com/ThinkMax%C2%AE-In-Battery-Charger-Hubsan/dp/B00LGWQ4FG/ref=pd_bxgy_t_img_y

Thanks for replying :) I was thinking / hoping for something a lot cheaper actually, but I've seen that product name tossed around before. Which one of these should I buy?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitec-X4-Micro-Ac-Dc-1-Cell-Lipo-Charger-44212/351576886028?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140602152332%26meid%3D06b9f86079364a21be29e7518acc96d0%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D171987244306

or

http://www.amazon.com/Hitec-RCD-Micro-1-Cell-Charger/dp/B00FYL2INM

Do you know if there any notable difference bwtween them?

Get this one. Weller is one of the best brands out there. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000AS28UC/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1420431837&sr=8-2&pi=SL75

Do you care if it has a camera?

$39.19 Hubsan X4 H107L without Camera

$51.45 Hubsan X4 H107C with Camera for recording video to memory card

$171.99 Hubsan X4 H107D with FPV Camera that streams live video to the transmitter's screen

I have this simulator cable from Amazon and it works great on my flysky transmitter and Windows 10 pc. There are also cheaper options from banggood if you are willing to wait

If you are starting out I would personally get a cheap $30-$50 Husban quad to get the feel of it. You will be crashing often and you dont want to ruin expensive equipment. But if you really want FPV I would get this

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-Quadcopter-FPV-Camera-Toy/dp/B00GSNWB5K

Half the price. Then use the money you saved to out it towards a DIY later.

Get [this] (http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Channel-2-4GHz-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E) one! And several sets of propellers. And get your company to buy it for you as training.

Trust me, you WILL crash many times. If they can afford the big copter, they can afford this too. Give yourself a month to learn on the little one and you will save many hundreds of dollars in repair.

Edit: Just read you're at a water park, so DEFINITELY get the smaller model before flying the big one. Unless a $1400 loss is acceptable.

I had a close call during one of my first flights. Have yet to actually make contact with a bird though, fortunately.

Also, this is a great chance to replace those props if they're stock. Stock ones tend to fly off. These are my favorite so far.

That cable is used to update the firmware on the transmitter. You'll need a simulator cable, like this, to play on FPVFreerider.

Get a Syma X1 learn how to fly it well, then move on to a more expensive one. Like andersonsjanis said, you won't get anything that can hold a gopro for cheap.

Hitech make a charger but its a little expensive. Probably pretty high quality though.

http://www.amazon.com/X4-Micro-AC-LiPo-Charger/dp/B00FYL2INM

I think the stock X4 comes with a 280 mah battery but I read that the 380's were a good compromise of performance and flight time. I'm going to go with these from Amazon.

> That said, the X4 is still better. If you've found it for less than $30, get it! Get it and give me the link!

X4 (H107C) : https://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-Channel-2-4GHz-Copter-Camera/dp/B00EXBDWZC/ref=sr_1_5?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1468986489&sr=1-5&keywords=hubsan+x4

x4 (H107L) : https://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Channel-2-4GHz-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E/ref=sr_1_4?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1468986489&sr=1-4&keywords=hubsan+x4

The Hubsan X4 (h107L) is an amazing micro quad. It's my first quad and I can't believe the things it will do.

I got this one and I was concerned that I got the older model because it is not listed as X5C-1. However, the product I received was the updated X5C-1. I got mine just last week. If you order that one linked it will be the updated model. You can tell the old model from the new model based on the graphics on the top of the quad. Hope this helps.

The Amazon reviews are good on this one (at least the average rating is).

http://www.amazon.com/Syma-X5C-Channel-2-4GHz-Explorers/dp/B00KI03U8Q

I use an [imax b6] (http://www.skyrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=217) with a parralel charging board. / Amazon link
This particular charger has a heavy counterfeit presence online though so it's important to make sure it's a genuine SkyRC charger if you decide to go down that road. Avoid ebay and the likes. The Amazon link above is the real deal for reference.

Thanks, I have heard of the ladybirds now that you mention it. I picked up this set from Amazon:

Latrax Alias... and my 15 year old son is doing the flying. Mounted on the alias is a Ultra Micro FPV Camera SPMVA 1100 we are using a pair of Teleporter V4 Goggles and a pair of DYI FPV Goggles from hobbyking. Also we are using a video recorder from hobbyking as well. Thats our kit, so far. Altho as you can tell from the video cut out.. we probably need some sort of ground station to pick up the camera transmitters signal a little better.

ESCs (and FC and RX) are coated in conformal compound, its like super thin layer of epoxy. See here: http://amzn.com/B008O9YIV6 Makes it mostly waterproof, in theory at least, not something I want to intentionally test.

And then between ESC and arm is thin piece of double sided foam: http://amzn.com/B007Y7EF4E

Even if it comes loose, there isn't much slack in the wires, so it can't actually move up more than a 1/8 inch or so so its not going to like get hit by a prop or something. I've done similar setup on 2 other quads and not had any issue.

Understood. Thanks!

What about this?

It's 7.4V right now. It was higher when it arrives and after 17 hours of practices that I've done so far.
I'm considering about keeping it and get a charger, which at the end, is gonna be needed fpr charge those 3S - 4S packs. By any chance do you know this one? I like it the simplicity, with everything ready to charge, and not the hassle of getting charger and power supply separated


Tenergy TB6-B Balance Charger Discharger 1S-6S Digital Battery Pack Charger for NiMH/NiCD/Li-PO/Li-Fe Packs LCD Hobby Battery Charger w/ Tamiya/JST/EC3/HiTec/Deans Connectors + Power Supply 01435 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00466PKE0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_g.8PCbSK1B4T4

The Amazon listing is pretty poorly written and vague. I believe the charging port is for a barrel connecter for an external NiMH charger, with a NiMH battery pack inside the QX7.

As for your other battery, you will need a Lipo Balance charger. I got this one as my first hobby charger. If you are unfamiliar with handling of Lithium Ion batteries, please read/watch up on proper charging and storage procedures. You can burn your house down if you don't know what you are doing.

I just bought this cable from Amazon. I'm hoping it works and will update when it comes in tmorw. The description says it will work with the FS-i6.

Some really popular LiPos that a lot of the pilots use are:

Tattu 4S 1300mAh 75C

Lumenier 4S 1300mAh 60C

Thunder Power Adrenaline 1300mAh 4S 80C

1300mAh 75C and 1550 mAh 75C. This is my first build and my FC is about a month out so I couldn't tell you how they fly, but the reviews are decent and they're an okay price, even with the Amazon Tax.

You should consider a small one first. Like a [hubsan x4 from amazon.](
http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417075365&sr=8-1&keywords=hubsan+x4)

But if you don't mind the pricetag, and want to jump into it. You get ARF kits for 3-400usd. Then you need another 1-200usd in fpv gear. And 4-500 for radio/receiver, flightcontroller and batteries/charger.

In short, you should consider a pricetag around 800-1000usd to get starting. Maybe up to 1500-2000 depending on what you need to buy extra and if you want the "new" HD fpv goggles and so on.

I'm a noob. I just bought this and it should be here tomorrow. You can get one with FPV already set up. I think that one is ~$130. This one's $40. I got a sim app for my computer called Heli-X to learn how to fly it (360 controller compatible). The question is can you fly one? Check out the app t's free.

This is the cable I use, it was plug and play with my Win 7 PC and Liftoff/FPV Freerider. It's a shame it jumped up in price to $15, I paid $10.

https://www.amazon.com/RCmall-Flight-Simulator-Adapter-Flysky/dp/B01AAETLVY/ref=pd_sim_21_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01AAETLVY&pd_rd_r=JJYFZ6YYXMDF52ABDKFP&pd_rd_w=Ja8V3&pd_rd_wg=na9xB&psc=1&refRID=JJYFZ6YYXMDF52ABDKFP

I use this on my new winter build. I basically do about 3 packs a day and then toss it in the rack to dry with the dishes and haven't had a problem. Chicago has a lot of snow right now and it's reversed props so it's always packed tight when I get home since they fling the snow at the flight controller.

https://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-Silicone-Modified-Conformal/dp/B008O9YIV6/ref=pd_m_ba_rp_of_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=C8DPHQ5N2VJN5QBZG0NX

It's normally like this after every flight. https://imgur.com/a/XMGUulZ

Here's a Weller station for about twice the price of the HK iron. I have this, and it's sufficient for hobby stuff, at least what I do.

I use a copper scouring pad (Chore Boy!) stuffed into a small tin can (cat food size) to clean the tip.

I live in Canada also :P
That's still cheaper though, I'll keep that in mind for next time. Thanks.
https://www.amazon.ca/Tattu-Battery-1300mAh-14-8V-Airplane/dp/B013I9T0T6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505498334&sr=8-1&keywords=tattu

maybe something like this https://www.amazon.com/Spektrum-FPV-Ultra-Micro-Camera/dp/B00N3WQVJ6?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0 and then a receiver/screen?

Would this one work?

Genuine SKYRC iMAX B6AC V2 Dual Power (6Amps, 50Watts): LiPo, LiHV, LiIon, LiFe, NiCd, NiMH, Pb Lead Acid AC/DC Professional RC Balancing Battery Charger & Discharger (Version 2) w/ Micro USB Port, Temperature Port, 2S-6S JST-XH Balance Ports

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ND7J38C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_5WAuyb6J5VDGN

If I buy that charger above and,

• 200 mAh 45c batteries (still don't know what to get)
  
• that $6.99 Crazepony charging board
  
  ...I should be ready to roll?

So as to where to get stuff... this will get you started if you haven't already.

• S550 Frame - http://multirotormania.com/hexacopter/682-thunder-s550-hexacopter-kit-by-sk.html
  
• fast local US shipping
  
• DJI E310 power system - https://store.dji.com/product/e310-6
  
• The only place to reliably get the E310 power packs. They are that new.
  
• DJI Naza-M Lite with GPS - http://www.getfpv.com/dji-naza-m-lite-flight-controller-with-gps-compass.html
  
• Local US shipping
  
• Turnigy 9X with reciever - http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8992
  
• China, so you'll need an express shipping method to reliably get it here in time.
  
• Highend alternative (you'll want Mode 2) - http://www.banggood.com/FrSky-2_4G-ACCST-Taranis-X9D-Plus-Transmitter-p-940819.html
  
• Cheap 2-Axis Gimbal - http://www.amazon.com/Brushless-Gimbal-Camera-Phantom-Walkera/dp/B00GAXYJFS/
  
• Balance Charger - Highend with Internal AC adapter or Generic Slow charger
  
  I'll have more time in the week to finish out the part list including some misc components you'll need like batteries, battery straps, and battery non-spark battery connections.

What do you want to do with it?
You might be able to build one of these for around $150-$200 (if you have a lot of experience and have flown other quads, it is not easy to fly like that), or you could buy a Blade 200 QX BNF for $220
If you don't have very much flying experience you can buy a Blade Nano QX RTF for $90 or a Hubsan x4 for $40

Combo Special: Tenergy TB6-B Balance Charger for NiMH/NiCD/Li-PO/Li-Fe Battery Packs + Power Supply https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00466PKE0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_pbALwbZNYN5Y8

Would this work on the 3s lipos?

I used Liftoff, but it worked for FPV Air 2 as well.

Alternatively you can buy this cable.

Ok. I found this one. I'm assuming it's the one with the yaw control on the throttle?

I am using a cheap 30watt iron right now. I was thinking about getting something like this.

I remember watching a YouTube video where someone covered their electronics in this stuff and flew it in a bathtub. Plus it doesn't add any bulk to the drone like liquid tape. But that being said I haven't tried it myself yet.

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-DSLR-Laptop-Backpack-interior/dp/B00CF5OGP8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462755676&sr=8-1&keywords=dslr+and+laptop

Here it is. Not even a referral link. I was off on the price by $5 it looks like. $39.95 shipped to your door.

Which batteries did you get? I like the TEnergy Batteries:

http://www.amazon.com/Combo-Tenergy-Battery-Channel-QuadCopter/dp/B00HS5Y6G4

As opposed to these I found on banggood:

http://m.banggood.com/5-X-Upgrade-25C-3_7V-380MAH-Battery-For-Hubsan-X4-QR-Ladybird-p-69895.html

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107L-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00IZC6C8E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417727353&sr=8-1&keywords=hubsan+x4

You can use a site like camelcamelcamel.com to keep track of the price. I paid $30 and $35 (lost the first one) when I ordered mine.

https://www.amazon.ca/Tattu-Battery-1300mAh-14-8V-Airplane/dp/B013I9T0T6
Would recommend these.

something like theses if you have the money

Whichever one you get make sure it comes with a build in power supply. I overlooked that when I bought mine and now I'm stuck with having an extra brick laying around just to give power to the lipo charger. I mean it's so inconvinient, I'm surprised non power supply models are even a thing.

Here is my suggestion:

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-SKYRC-Power-6Amps-50Watts/dp/B00ND7J38C

Well what are ya waiting for? Join the fun!

What is the recommended balance charger that I can plug 4 into at once and just let it do its thing? I'm lookin at This one

The Weller WLC100 has served me well for almost 4 years now.

I work in commercial construction, and a lot of the professional audio/video guys I have seen in the industry use the Weller WES51 or WESD51.

I'd second the conformal coating, seems to work well for me. this is the stuff I used http://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-Silicone-Conformal-Coating/dp/B008O9YIV6/ref=pd_sim_328_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41dzbpa8jyL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR118%2C160_&refRID=01C6ET92JK608J6A6AWW

I bought this one: http://www.amazon.com/Syma-X5C-Channel-2-4GHz-Explorers/dp/B00KI03U8Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=toys-and-games&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1426527831&sr=1-1&keywords=X5C

and it was the new version was well.

Dry drone is a popular product out there but, it's price to size ratio is crazy. I also have come across Silicone Conformal coating like this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008O9YIV6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There are nicer soldering irons out there but I bare minimum would be Weller WLC100

For outdoor flying you cannot go wrong with a Syma X5c - http://www.amazon.com/Syma-Explorers-6-Axis-Quadcopter-Camera/dp/B00MNG37C2

You can find any number of "new to flying, what should I get?" posts that will answer with either the Syma, Hubson X4, or Cheerson CX-10. The Hubsan and Cheerson are both too small for any real outdoor flying.

Damn the one on banggood was for the drone only! I'm going to order on amazon.

So I tried to get into droning years ago, but the LOS drone I got, I couldn't really get it to hover without moving at a good clip of speed, It was very discouraging. I watched E-max videos and it seems like maybe this drone you are mentioning is alot better. Below is the first attempt drone I had (which after a bunch of crashes I couldn't get to hover at all).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IZC6C8E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Some seller on amazon has them for $70 shipped, a bit too much.

http://www.amazon.com/X4-Micro-AC-LiPo-Charger/dp/B00FYL2INM/ref=sr_1_1?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1426032661&sr=1-1&keywords=Hitec+X4+Micro

Build your own. Get the amazon basics dslr bag and remove the dividing inserts. AmazonBasics DSLR and Laptop Backpack - Orange interior https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CF5OGP8/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_0RmzwbJQ87TAD

Then, add a nice big block of pick and pluck foam.

The Inductrix will carry it, but my flight time is only 1m40s with stock parts, so unless you're willing to upgrade it, I wouldn't recommend it. My first indoor FPV was the Syma X1: http://www.amazon.com/SYMA-Channel-Copter-Spacecraft-shown/dp/B0096SJU3U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463525210&sr=8-1&keywords=syma+x1

It used to be cheaper at $30, but it would carry my heavier 9g FPV setup just fine and still get about 5-6min flight times on stock battery. It's considerably bigger than the Inductrix though.

Cut your teeth on something like this before you start throwing money at big/expensive stuff.

You can still get your feet wet for $35 and see if it is a hobby you want to be a part of.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00906PKQ4?pc_redir=1407179475&robot_redir=1

http://www.amazon.com/Estes-Proto-Quadcopter-Colors-Black/dp/B00G924W98/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416599204&sr=8-1&keywords=proto+x

You may want to order a few extra props.

Still can't get it to work. 40w iron. Not enough?

http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_i
Would that work?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008O9YIV6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

that's it

I wanted to try this but dat manufacturing lead time doe

Silicone conformal coating. You can cover everything with this stuff, fc, escs, vtx, reciever. Keep it out of buttons and connectors, this is where people use a brush and paint on corrosionx.

conformal coating

Syma X1

The Syma X1 can't be beat for the price. Very durable and it has 3-axis stabilization (gyro only) so you'll learn skills you'll need for future performance quads.

The NanoQX is higher performance and has the option to fly 6-axis (auto-level) or gyro only but at a higher price.

Would that be the "bumblebee" X1? I was looking at that. Quick question: is there any difference between the bumblebee and the spacecraft X1's? The spacecraft one is about $10 more expensive, but I can't figure out why.

I believe they use two different protocols. However, the Syma X1 uses the same protocol and can be used with the Turnigy 9x. It's a larger quad, but it's also cheaper. That's what I plan on getting to learn on and using my Turnigy 9x.

For many of the bags that folks have linked, they are 70+, and I'm cheap. This is the bag I'm currently using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CF5OGP8

With the dividers, I have my Taranis, Quanum V2's, and all the batteries and parts I would ever need. Plus it has a laptop slot and two clips on the side. You could probably carry two quads, but I only ever carry my hex on it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CF5OGP8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is the same one, and it's what I use too.

DSLR Backpack - Amazon

These two...

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107-L_M2-The-X4-H107L/dp/B00CP5NSGG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404693444&sr=8-1&keywords=hubsan+x4+107l

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107C-2-4G-Quadcopter-Camera/dp/B00EXBDYPK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1404693460&sr=8-3&keywords=hubsan+x4+107c

https://www.amazon.com/GoolRC-Helicopter-Airplane-Simulator-Controller/dp/B00DR4I4O0

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DR4I4O0/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is what I use on my flysky FS-i6.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G924W98/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

(Sorry for mobile!)

Both. The foam guards are removable.

Parrot: http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-AR-Drone-Power-Edition-Quadricopter/dp/B00D8UP6I0

Estes: http://www.amazon.com/Estes-4606-Proto-Quadcopter-Colors/dp/B00G924W98

Non mobile: http://www.amazon.com/Estes-Proto-Quadcopter-Colors-Black/dp/B00G924W98

There is a version of the x4 that has FPV, with a screen built into the controller. $140 (i'm assuming US dollars..?)

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-FPV-Mini-RTF-Quadcopter/dp/B00GSNWB5K/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1449493414&sr=8-2&keywords=hubsan+x4+fpv

I was thinking this one: https://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-Quadcopter-FPV-Camera-Toy/dp/B00GSNWB5K

This is the only thing that comes to mind that meets your criteria.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GSNWB5K?pc_redir=1406280329&robot_redir=1

http://www.amazon.com/Hubsan-H107D-FPV-Mini-Quadcopter/dp/B00GSNWB5K/ref=sr_1_1?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1426545840&sr=1-1&keywords=hubsan+fpv

Would this be a good one? It looks so small! Can it even fly outside?