Top products from r/ShitWehraboosSay
We found 45 product mentions on r/ShitWehraboosSay. We ranked the 104 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
1. Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland
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Number of reviews: 5
Harper Perennial
2. The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy
Sentiment score: -1
Number of reviews: 3
Penguin Books
3. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust
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Number of reviews: 2
Vintage
4. When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler (Modern War Studies)
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Number of reviews: 2
5. Attack of the Airacobras: Soviet Aces, American P-39s, and the Air War Against Germany (Modern War Studies (Paperback))
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 2
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6. Soldaten: On Fighting, Killing and Dying
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Number of reviews: 2
7. Festung Europa: The Anglo-American/Nazi War
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 2
8. Commanding the Red Army's Sherman Tanks: The World War II Memoirs of Hero of the Soviet Union Dmitriy Loza
Sentiment score: 1
Number of reviews: 2
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9. Stalingrad: The City that Defeated the Third Reich
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Number of reviews: 2
10. Designing the T-34: Genesis of the Revolutionary Soviet Tank
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Number of reviews: 2
11. Becoming Evil: How Ordinary People Commit Genocide and Mass Killing
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Number of reviews: 1
13. Making Jet Engines in World War II: Britain, Germany, and the United States
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Number of reviews: 1
14. Rommel: Lessons from Yesterday for Today's Leaders: Leadership Lessons from the Desert Fox (World Generals Series)
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Number of reviews: 1
15. Montgomery and Colossal Cracks: The 21st Army Group in Northwest Europe, 1944-45 (Praeger Series in War Studies)
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Number of reviews: 1
16. Scientists Under Hitler: Politics and the Physics Community in the Third Reich
Sentiment score: 1
Number of reviews: 1
17. Penguin Classics Ring of Steel: Germany And Austria Hungary At War 1914-1918
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Number of reviews: 1
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Yeah definitely, the Detroit 2 stroke is a solid design. The Soviets loved the Detroit especially the ability to switch off one motor and run on 'silent' mode. Using this mode they managed to sneak up to German positions, attacking them by surprise. I highly recommend the book Commanding the Red Army's Sherman Tanks. A Guards unit using the M4A2 76 W to great success against the Wehrmacht.
The Russians also copied the 6-71 and produced a local version called the YaMZ-206.
Agreed. Lots of the WWII books from the 80's and 90's very much bought into the superior Wehrmacht narrative. Michael Reynolds "Steel Inferno: 1st SS Panzer Corps in Normandy" was one of the first "serious" books I read about Normandy and it really hit home on the "inferior" nature of Allied tanks, the superiority of training and leadership of the SS soldiers, and that the Allies prevailed through numbers. It wasn't Wehrby in the sense that the author had a hard-on for the SS, but it was part of the school of thought that developed from the 80's revisionist works like Carlo D'Este book "Decision in Normandy", which made the notion the Allies won purely through superior material and manpower central to its thesis.
My fourth year university seminar paper was on the historiography of Anglo-Canadian armor in the Battle of Normandy, and you can see how many of the Wehraboo idea's came out of the literature of the late 70's and early 80s, though they existed in more "military" circles prior to that (NATO really got off in the 50's and 60's on getting the former German commanders to give them tours so they could "learn their secrets" on how to defeat enemies with superior manpower and resources - apparently forgot these guys lost).
It wasn't until the 2000's you started to get books like John Buckley's "British Armour in the Normandy Campaign 1944" or Stephen Hart's "Montgomery and Colossal Cracks: The 21st Army Group in Northwest Europe, 1944-45" or Terry Copps "Fields of Fire: The Canadians in Normandy" the reevaluated the Anglo-Canadian performance in Normandy against the Wehrmacht and SS in a better light. I'm less familiar with the historiography of the US army in WWII.
But the stuff that Wehraboo's spout was pretty mainstream only 2-3 decades ago. That is why the History Channel stuff is so bad, since the HC stopped doing serious documentaries in the early 2000's for the most part, so what HC documentaries remains on youtube tends to reflect where the school of thought was at that time. For all intents and purposes, the stuff on this subreddit is an outgrowth of the recent round of revisionism that occured in WWII history, which is revisionism against the previous round that occured around the 80's, which itself was revisionism from the post-war works (and there are different kinds of revisionism as well, for example post war works tended to be very strategic looking where as the revisionism of the 80's brought in a lot of the ground level stuff from interviews with veterans - John Kegans work "The face of battle" was really important in starting the trend of getting the experiences of soldiers recorded in WWII history books)
Scientists under Hitler what's interesting is how Deutsch Physik has sorta become a meme here, and while it did slow down the Germans progress the American's advantage was just that they had better physicists and better facilities for doing experimental research.
> I don't blame nazi soldiers anymore than I blame soviet soldiers for the holodomor in Ukraine.
Hey, in all interest of serious discussion and expanding knowledge and whatnot, I really suggest that you go find a book called "Ordinary Men" and give it a read - https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-Reserve-Battalion-Solution/dp/0060995068
Besides being an interesting, outstandingly well-researched book based almost entirely on first-hand recollections of actual Germans no "victors writing history" here, it will probably change the way you view the particular idea that Nazi soldiers were mostly caught up in the machine. It shows pretty clearly how even Joe The Bavarian Plumber who wasn't a Nazi party member was more than happy and willing to shoot a bunch of Jews, sometimes even without prompting. I think you would find it interesting.
I mentioned this another thread, but this should fulfill your desires nicely.
I recall reading an excerpt from the viewpoint of Alexander Pokryshkin (my favorite fighter pilot) in Attack of the Airacobras.
He discussed how on the eve of the Battle of Kursk, he was pulling a fighter sweep and saw a battery of these things going off.
> The smoke, dust, and fire, even from the air, looked staggering. It began to look as if an enormous explosion overtook our men. I switched frequencies and radioed any ground troops nearby...not knowing what was happening. After a forward observer enlightened me on the situation, I thought to myself, "Glad I'm not on the ground to hear that racket. But I'm sure as hell glad I'm not some poor bastard on the receiving end of it all."
http://www.amazon.com/Wages-Destruction-Making-Breaking-Economy/dp/0143113208
Read it. Its a long read, but if you are interested in the subject you will thank me later.
This is a pretty great Alternate History book about what might have happened if the Nazis had lasted until the 1950s.
It's great if you like terrifying overkill (the Allies end up preparing for naval landings with multi-day barrages of automatic 8" naval artillery from battle lines of as many as fifty cruisers, followed by aerial bombardment with tens of thousands of gallons of napalm and fuel-air bombs), awesome team-ups (Viet Minh fighting Nazis alongside the USMC in fascist France), and some of the greatest set piece battles that never were (four armies fight on the land, air and underground over a two square mile bunker fortress).
If the P-39 piques your interest this is a good read.
When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler
You can find it on Amazon here, or, if you're a university student like me, you might be able to download a free e-book using online library resources.
Buy Christopher Browning's "Ordinary Men" and loan it to him . It's not a difficult read, well the topic is, but the language is not.
You see that paperbacks are pretty cheap.
There's a really good book examining this concept in detail:
https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-Reserve-Battalion-Solution/dp/0060995068
Best book for these people to read is Soldaten. Because it shows the frank conversations the German POWs had when they thought no one was listening.
I really like this.
It appeared extremely well founded until the Russian army was actually tested in battle. And actually, even then, they showed in 1916 what they were capable of when they got their shit together.
I've just been reading Ring of Steel and although it seems slightly pro-Central Powers its case that Russia was a serious potential threat to their security seems pretty convincing
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Stalingrad - The city that defeated the Third Reich by Jochen Hellbeck
Shitty English title that obscures why it's fantastic IMO. The German title literally translates to "The Stalingrad Protocols". The book is based off of documents from an enormous Soviet project to "capture" the battle through the participants, and contains lots of amazing interviews conducted with soldiers and officers and civilians just days after Paulus' surrender.
The project was shut down by the Soviet regime who wasn't very interested in "social realism" anymore but craved more idealistic propaganda. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the documents were re-discovered of sorts, because they were archived and transcribed even if they never were published in any way.
https://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-City-Defeated-Third-Reich/dp/1610394968
My curiosity has been thoroughly piqued.
Yes.
There is a ton of economic history detailing exactly how the Nazis fucked up Germany's economy. This is a good start.
Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich
My book recommendation for all of this shit.
If you people are interpreting a lecture devoted entirely to relentless criticism of the Nazis as some how being pro-nazi, then this subreddit has truly lost its way.
Do you people not have the ability to think for yourselves?
Edit: He states, at the beginning, that the source he is drawing from is "Hitler's Willing Executioners" so saying that he isn't aware that the Nazis enslaved people is entirely false.
Easy one is Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning
https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-Reserve-Battalion-Solution/dp/0060995068
Another good one is Becoming Evil by James Waller
https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Evil-Ordinary-Genocide-Killing/dp/0195148681
BOTH of these directly address "normal" soldiers killing massive numbers of civilians. They will destroy any Wehraboo.
Also the Third Reich Trilogy by Richard Evans... Anything by Ian Kershaw.
Adam Tooze Wages of Destruction. https://www.amazon.com/Wages-Destruction-Making-Breaking-Economy/dp/0143113208
This is the magnum opus of the Nazi economics. Explaining and eye opening. If there is one book about the Nazi economy it's this. I won't be wasting your time but seriously, order it.
The Soviet army was wholly unprepared for any large long term conflict. They learned that lesson in Finland and was common knowledge among the whole command structure, and punctuated by the initial German invasion. It's amazing the kind of things you can learn when you actually read books about history and study things. Here's a great book that you would learn a lot from (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0700608990/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1). Only 9 bucks! You have to be willing to learn of course.
Also, holy shit 100 million people! It's so crazy that Europe, with a population of only around 400 million people at the this time, had literally 1/4 of their population killed in Soviet prisons and yet people remember the Nazis as being bad. Yep, that sure is a crazy and I'm sure wholly realistic and rational numbers and not you just pulling numbers out of your own asshole.
This talking point has unfortunately been gaining ground in recent years, with Reagan's former speech writer, Patrick Buchanan writing an over 500 page book defending Nazi Germany and blaming Britain for not only WWII but also WWI. Additionally, he also claims that the West should have teamed up with Nazi Germany because Hitler "only" wanted E. Europe and that Britain should have abandoned a "warmongering, Polish dictatorship."
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Nazi-apologiawoke truth in his recent book The Unneccessary War!Yeah, a single map that illustrates that the Red Army was a huge distance away from Warsaw at the time of the uprising with powerful German units in between them and the city. You have yet to address these complication, you can only repeat endlessly that the Red Army was evil and therefore must do evil deeds.
> people who publish books and shit under their own names
Wow, guess what https://www.amazon.com/Designing-T-34-2019-Genesis-Revolutionary/dp/1911658301
That sure is neat, and so is this http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2017/12/tank-archives-in-print.html
I have absolutely no problem publishing things under my own name outside of my dull website. It might have to do something with not flipping out the moment that somebody brings out a map.
"The soldiers were just ordinary folk no worse than any other nation's soldiers; they didn't want to kill people, but the real Nazis forced them to."
"Sure they war-crimed, but they would have been shot for refusing!"