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u/flyingbantha · 25 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

This is a nice write-up. Before I get into it, you mentioned a Rinzler-style tome on the ST. I'm hoping something like that will eventually get released, but I also think it would be really interesting to collect as many interviews or notes to try to piece the production together. It's possible that even if they did release a Rinzler-style book, they might leave some stuff out too.

More quotes that might be relevant.

A few days before TFA released, Daisy Ridley spoke of Rey in an interview with Telegraph.

>"It was wonderful for me because although it's a big action film, the emotional story is wonderful and I think that shines through. Rey's parents left her at 5 and we meet her when she's late teens or early 20s and for someone to keep hopeful that there's a better life to come I think is astounding. Though she starts off alone, she very much finds her place in a group of people and that's lovely."

In 2016 while promoting another film, Ridley says this to Timeout.

>“I thought a lot was answered in The Force Awakens,” she told the publication. “Then after the screening I went for a drink with my agent and everyone, and we were chatting away and I realised that oh, in their minds it’s not answered at all!”
>'And I do find it quite funny that people keep asking about it. Just yesterday a guy asked to take a picture with me, and went "Is Luke your Dad"? And I was like, "chill out, you’ll see"!'

In another interview before TFA's release, Slashfilm spoke with JJ and they started talking about how he viewed the Force.

>For me when I heard Obi-Wan say that the Force surrounds us and binds us all together, there was no judgement about who you were. This was something that we could all access. Being strong with the force didn’t mean something scientific, it meant something spiritual. It meant someone who could believe, someone who could reach down to the depths of your feelings and follow this primal energy that was flowing through all of us. I mean, thats what was said in that first film!
>And there I am sitting in the theater at almost 11 years old and that was a powerful notion. And I think this is what your point was, we would like to believe that when shit gets serious, that you could harness that Force I was told surrounds not just some of us but every living thing. And so, I really feel like the assumption that any character needs to have inherited a certain number of midi-chlorians or needs to be part of a bloodline, it’s not that I don’t believe that as part of the canon, I’m just saying that at 11 years old, that wasn’t where my heart was. And so I respect and adhere to the canon but I also say that the Force has always seemed to me to be more inclusive and stronger than that.

These quotes lead me to think that JJ also had Rey as a nobody.

Regarding Colin Trevorrow's quote, I honestly think that is pretty vague. When he says "We're", I thought he was referring to Lucasfilm, him, Rian, just in general. At this point, did he have a cowriter? Also, if you continue on to the rest of what he says in that ET interview:

>I love Rey…I love her, I love what she represents in that universe and where we can take her. It’s pretty incredible.

What does he mean by "what she represents"? Personally, I'm inclined to think it has something to do with JJ's quote above. And at this point, Rian's script has been written, and Colin has read it so he knows that would be answered in Rian's film. I mean, I guess one could say Colin was going to retcon it in nine, but I think we would need more evidence for that. I just think this quote is so vague that we could interpret either way.

One interesting note from your quotes is that Daisy thinks JJ had drafts (draft of a script, a single-page outline?) of the next two films, but JJ makes it sound like he just had ideas, nothing written out.

To me, the emphasis is on that there were no dictated story beats. Any potential ideas for the story were only talked about, but never written down, or set in stone. So maybe KK had some ideas for what she would like to see, but she also gave the writer's creative freedom to tell the stories how they wanted. And even if JJ had other plans for Rey's parents, it seems like he either liked Rian's change or thought it was a better decision.

JJ Abrams close friend Greg Grunberg said this to Washington Post about JJ's thoughts on Rian's script:

>"He read it and said something he never, ever says,” Grunberg, who plays pilot Snap Wexley in the new film, tells The Post’s Comic Riffs. Grunberg said that Abrams called the Episode VIII script “so good” that he wished he had written it.

It seems weird when you put this alongside Simon Pegg's comment. So either Pegg only meant that a few ideas were being thrown around but JJ wasn't decided on any, or JJ had an idea of Rey having an important lineage, but he changed his mind about that idea once he read Rian's script. If Rian had changed something so fundamental that JJ had "set up", I just think he wouldn't have said those things to Greg. And JJ's quote about his views on the Force seems to really line up, message-wise, with Rey being a nobody.

I know that Rian asked JJ to have R2 go with Rey to Ach-To instead of BB-8, and I think getting rid of the floating rocks was another thing Rian may have asked JJ to remove, if that story is true. I mean, in TFA, Han says, "He was training a new generation of Jedi. One boy, an apprentice, turned against him, destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible. He just walked away from everything." And that's what we see in TLJ.

Rian actually says this regarding Luke being detached from the Force at a SXSW panel according to Flickering Myth:

>“For me, the reason that Luke had to turn off the Force was because of Leia. Because if he didn’t, if he had a connection to Leia, if he could see his sister suffering, if he could hear her calls for help, there’s no way he’d be able to do what he thinks in his head is what he has to do – which is to stay on that island (Ach-to) for the greater good of the galaxy.”

I'm guessing JJ just hadn't considered that, much like how he had Leia walk past Chewbacca at the end of TFA.

I'm kind of curious though, is not having a definitive outline for the trilogy a bad thing? I mean, the OT was definitely not planned out, but it worked. Just sort of think it is a false equivalency.

Anyway, I know that you're not a fan of the new films, especially TLJ, and I like the new films, but I think it is cool how you are collecting sources and trying to piece the process together. Thanks for sharing this! It's a cool discussion, and maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Also, if you haven't read it, I would also suggest picking up Kiminski's "Secret History of Star Wars". It's a great book and could be used as a resource if you do any further research regarding George or 1-6.

u/BlindManBaldwin · 6 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

> At the end of TFA I'm not sure what romantic notes you think you see between the two, but if there were any it would be indicative of a tragic, toxic, abusive relationship. I mean, he uses the force to essentially mind rape her and then commits patricide right in front of her face, which hurt even more because she had bonded very intensely with Han Solo.

There's a reason the Force stopped them from killing each other in TFA. As for the "mind rape" argument, it's hardly that considering Rey (canonically) gained something from the experience. Not raw Force power—though that counts for something—but she gained the intimate knowledge of Kylo's insecurities and fears. Which informs her understanding of him as a multifaceted being, much the same as he does with her. Say...what does that sound like?

> They also regressed her character back to being intimately wrapped up in her parents and who they were.

To paraphrase the great Carl Jung, our first gods are our parents. Some people struggle their whole life reconciling the fact that their parents are less-than-good, much like a great theological debate.

> Also by the end of TFA she wasn't lonely at all; she had connected with a maternal figure in Leia, a friend and possible love interest in Finn, a budding friendship with Poe, a friendship with BB-8, a larger family and cause to care for with The Resistance and what we had hoped to be a replacement paternal figure/teacher/mentor in Luke.

There's some nifty stuff in this book about heroine's and being "lonely". It talks about how our sexist culture pigeon-holes women into masculine roles and judges their worth by masculine achievement. Highly recommend reading it!

At the end of the day, it's important to remember that Star Wars is nothing more than a modern-day retelling of the central old myth. That is, love is the "third way" of life and to forgive is to be divine. Very easy to see how Reylo fits into this central point!

u/DandalfTheWhite · 10 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

Nonviolence is really a neat topic. There’s a lot to learn there based on how it has been used throughout history and now. This was a great book I read about it.

One part of the book that reminded me of the Jedi stuff was how violent action could “work” but it wasn’t as long lasting as nonviolent action. Very interesting stuff if your interested in the philosophy.

u/Alcida-Auka · 8 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

Admittedly my download of that Amazon pic looks cruddy when re-uploaded to reddit. It looks better on Amazon's site, which naturally insists on having all images be those .webp things. I don't see a link in this post, so if you want to see the source, it's here. Of course, that being said, the color choices are kind of meh on the print. I get what they are going for with the 70s metal theme, but would have liked red/black/white tones better.

u/joecb91 · 4 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

I see a lot of us here have the same calendar!

[I liked this one I had last year too] (, but couldn't find anything like it for 2019

u/mac6uffin · 1 pointr/StarWarsCantina

Also, if you haven't picked it up yet, The Art of Star Wars: The Last Jedi is even cheaper.

u/JayMongie · 10 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

They do! This is one of the coolest things I own:

Star Wars Art: Ralph McQuarrie

u/harbouta · 2 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

I’m referring to these ones, which are the original novelizations

Star Wars, Episode IV: A New Hope

Star Wars, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

Star Wars : Return of the Jedi

u/Obversa · 3 pointsr/StarWarsCantina

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>Matt Cavanaugh was caught in a holding pattern, as it goes for American military personnel leaving a place like South Korea. He had spent most of 2015 and some of 2016 away from his wife and two young daughters, and he had to wait a few more days before finally returning home to Manitou Springs.
>"You're just in a crummy hotel room doing nothing," he says.
>So the time was perfect to delve into a new project that had come to mind over the past year: a book comparing modern war with "Star Wars." It was an unlikely idea, especially considering the events that unraveled during his deployment. At a time of artillery exchange, at a time when two South Korean sergeants each had a leg blown off, how could the mind drift to a galaxy far, far away?
>But Cavanaugh's mind has always wondered. That is, after all, part of the lieutenant colonel's job at North American Aerospace Defense Command, the underground outpost of Cheyenne Mountain.
>"At NORAD, we're often contemplating things that have not come to pass. In a lot of ways, we're dreaming up fictions and then figuring out how to counter them before they ever become real," Cavanaugh says. "Which is not all that dissimilar from the script of a film or the words in a fiction novel."
>And Cavanaugh always has found time for side projects, whether historical research, an op-ed or essay. At West Point, he started a think tank, the Modern War Institute, alongside John Spencer.
>"He reminds me of one of these McChrystals," Spencer says, referring to retired four-star Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who commanded U.S. forces in Afghanistan and is known for his regimented lifestyle.
>"They run like 10 miles a day, read this, write that. ... It's like he doesn't sleep. He's just constantly learning about himself and continually producing."
>During one early morning run in Korea, Cavanaugh was listening to a podcast with Randall Munroe. The cartoonist and physicist explained his attempt to get kids interested in the sciences with the help of Yoda: Using gravitational constants provided by Wookieepedia, Munroe's class concluded the level of force required to pull Luke Skywalker's spaceship from the muddy waters of Dagobah.
>And then it clicked for Cavanaugh. As an Army strategist insistent upon explaining warfare to civilian society — like a mathematician before a bored classroom — "Star Wars" could help. It made sense right there in Korea, where foreign counterparts weren't all that familiar with wars abroad, historic and present.
>"But they all knew about the rebels and the Empire," Cavanaugh says. That's the same for people across generations back home, he figured. "Star Wars really is the universal war. ... That's what makes it so useful and powerful to use as a device to have a conversation about real issues."
>So there in the crummy hotel room, Cavanaugh streamed all seven episodes, taking meticulous notes, pondering connections.
>Later came Strategy Strikes Back: How Star Wars Explains Modern Military Conflict, a collection of essays into its second printing. McChrystal provides the forward, followed by several more ruminations by military and intelligence officials...Contributors this time include retired Admiral and NATO Supreme Allied Commander James Stavridis. For his part, Cavanaugh draws on the Night's Watch, who from their wall send warning of a destructive army marching on.
>"Nearly nobody listened," he writes, asserting that's to do with the socio barrier between the soldiers and the rest of the realm. The wall could represent the same invisible divide in America, Cavanaugh proposes.
>Back to edit "Winning Westeros" is Max Brooks, whose hit zombie book, "World War Z," landed him surprising spots at military conferences and study groups. Cavanaugh admired his thinking and asked him aboard "Strategy Strikes Back." Brooks called himself "a tourist in this world" while talking about the book last summer at the Commonwealth Club, the prestigious public affairs forum. He referenced a chapter by a former senior military strategist, who argues that the Jedi became too elite, insulating themselves from the republic.
>"And so when a big crisis came, the republic didn't know what to do," Brooks said. "The Jedi simply didn't have the numbers, and they didn't have the public outreach, and that's happening today."
>John Amble is another editor on the project. He's the editorial director at the Modern War Institute who, like Cavanaugh, deployed to the Middle East in the war's early years.
>Bridging "the gap" is one intent of the books. But there's a personal aspect, too.
>"I think especially for people who have been operationally active over the past couple of decades, it's been tough. It's been tough because we don't really know what victory looks like," Amble says.
>"So using science fiction or a blockbuster television series, I think we're kind of just searching for any tool to better understand these conflicts that, frankly, we've struggled to understand even when we've been in the midst of them."

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