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not /u/dieseljet, but the tent monitoring might fit in with the conclusions presented by Svetlana Oss in Don't Go There: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass, which I would definitely recommend if you're at all interested in the Dyatlov incident. She lays everything out really clearly and also addresses some of the anomalies and other theories (infrasound and the radioactive clothing are the ones I remember).

Oss is a Russian investigative journalist and I definitely feel like being a native speaker and a trained investigator both serve her theory well. It's a quick read and pretty inexpensive to download even if you don't have Kindle Unlimited.

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Also, there was a great book written by Mara Leveritt on the case

Finally, the podcast True Crime Garage did a 3 or 4 part deep dive into this case. It was a great, and I would highly recommend listening.

While I actually thought it was a pretty good read, I had diffculty accepting the conclusions of Paul French's Midnight in Peking, and once you read through this website, partly put together by a descendant of one of the suspects, you'll take the whole thing with a grain of salt.

*Edited to link to website's main page

During Katrina, there were some serious questions raised about the care given to patients at Memorial Hospital:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Medical_Center_and_Hurricane_Katrina

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/10/220687231/during-katrina-memorial-doctors-chose-who-lived-who-died

There's also a very good book about this: Five Days at Memorial.

There's also been two books written about the case:

Innocence : The True Story of Steve Linscott, which was published by Zondervan, a religious publications outfit

and [Maximum Security by Steve Linscott himself, via Crossway Books] (https://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Security-Steven-Linscott/dp/0891077871/ref=la_B001KJ0BE0_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1525452899&sr=1-1)

If this is the right case, I'm guessing the first book is the one the OP read.

I read a very thorough and interesting book on him a few years ago. I'll try to find a link.

Edit: I think this is it.

Similarly, I want to know about the princes in the tower mystery.

Well, one thing, it can be hard to open a door when partially submerged if the windows are closed. You have to wait until the car is submerged. Most cars nowadays have electric windows and locks which can go out. They sell a tool you can use to break windows, though. Something like this

Thanks, lots of interesting points! (I think I've read most of your comments in this thread now.) And your book looks interesting as well!

Seems like the theory that they were murdered is somehow often quickly dismissed when discussing this case, in favour of either natural phenomena or stuff like yeti and aliens. I've seen some pretty convincing sounding theories on this subreddit for how some kind of panic + confusion and hypothermia could explain a lot of it, and it seems like Donnie Eichar's book also takes this approach, proposing that infrasound due to wind and mountains caused the initial panic. But considering the details of their injuries and the autopsy reports as you've described them here, your theory seems more and more convincing!

Have you read the book by the Russian journalist Svetlana Oss (Don't Go There: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass)? I haven't read it, but based on reviews and descriptions she seems to come to the same conclusion as you, that they were murdered. Her main suspect seems to be the Mansi people though. Apparently the mountain where they were heading, Otorten, has some kind of religious importance to the Mansi, and the name means "Don't go there" in their language.

By the way, the original reports you linked to. Do you know where they originate from and how they ended up on that google site? They seem believable, and even the wikipedia article links to them at one point, but I guess it would be nice to have some extra confirmation that they are the real deal. (Or maybe I'm being overly suspicious?)

I recommend the book Collapse by Jared Diamond if you are into lost civilizations and why they did not survive.

I read the one found at this link: https://www.amazon.com/Who-Killed-These-Girls-Unsolved/dp/0307739880

It's a long read and pretty detailed, especially about the case and the accusations made against the boys afterwards

Wow. Reading about Danny Rolling was like reading about Rogers. They were very similar. I just finished the book The Enchanted by Rene Denfeld, a fictionalized account of a death row investigator and men on death row. Compassionate, compelling and gut hurt of a read. Denfeld’s childhood was more harrowing than mine, her mom was a prostitute and her story is one of pulling herself up out of the gutter. We were both homeless in Portland, me in early 2000, her in the 80s.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062285513/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=therum0e-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=0062285513&linkId=19da75458c654b0bdd5f680e2c5054d4

This is a good, long book about the origins and discovery of some of the newer, more confusing diseases. The Coming Plague: Newly Emerging Diseases in a World Out of Balance
The title is more clickbait-y than the actual work.

There's been continuing speculation that Mark David Chapman was programmed by the CIA to take out John Lennon. Several books about it, including this one.

1. Tell people where you're going.
   
   
2. Keep the GPS on your phone turned on.
   
   
3. Know how to break your car window and get out of your seat belt, so if you drive into a body of water, you can get out.
   
   If step 3 fails, at least you have steps 1 and 2 working in your favor.

Have you read "Black Dahlia Avenger" by Steve Hodel? He's a retired homicide detective. He makes a pretty compelling case that his father, George Hodel, murdered Elizabeth Short (the BD).


https://www.amazon.com/Black-Dahlia-Avenger-True-Story/dp/0061139610

This case is included in the new Dave Paulides "Missing 411 The Hunted" doc which is available to rent on Amazon Video.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07TJ24LHF

Back in 2014 I read Lost Girls, a book about this case, and in the book it was stated that some of the girls did works for various escort services and others work independently. I'll check out that podcast you mentioned which will probably take me full circle to going back and re-reading Lost Girls.

Have you read "Blind Man's Bluff"?

https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Mans-Bluff-Submarine-Espionage/dp/006097771X

He's probably in it....

This one got under my skin, too, in a whole new way. I read one particular book about it - I think it was called "As If" (will double check... Yes, it's by Blake Morrison and it was controversial as all hell, apparently) - that made me cry and feel sick. There's a documentary on YouTube that really got to me, too. And I saw the Andrew Garfield movie, "Boy A," that's based on Venables. Tears like a waterfall again.

There's just something so...beyond... about kids doing this to a kid.

I'd suggest reading Midnight In Paris, which looks at the murder and the father's attempt to find out what happened to how daughter
https://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Peking-Murder-Englishwoman-Haunted/dp/014312336X

Well, if you feel like a creep for asking, then I should probably feel like a creep for how much I know about this. If you're not interested in a fairly descriptive discussion of this stuff, feel free to not read or respond to this comment. It's not a nice subject by any means.

The answer is "Yes, maybe." The science on child sexual abuse in the '90s when JonBenet was murdered is very different from the science on child sexual abuse today. For instance, one of the things founds in her autopsy that was thought to indicate child sexual abuse at that time was a slightly larger than 'normal' hymenal opening. This was thought to be very closely correlated with child sexual abuse in the '90s. Today, researchers and physicians don't think there's as much correlation between those things. What changed? An increasing amount of data on children who hadn't been sexually abused. In the '90s, most of the measurements of hymenal openings in children were taken from children who had been sexually abused, as part of the investigation. So you can see the data set (while it makes perfect sense) wasn't a very good one.

Likewise, there was an assumption in the '90s that most child sexual abuse left physical evidence. We know now that's not the case, and that a majority of CSA leaves no marks for various reasons (one is that most CSA isn't reported immediately after it happened, so any physical evidence heals or is washed away; a second is that a large percentage of CSA is non-penetrative, particularly when it involves younger children.)

So yes, if she had been abused by penetration, there would probably be some medical evidence, but interpreting that medical evidence is something else entirely. JonBenet's autopsy results are a mixed bag. Some people interpret it as evidence of ongoing sexual abuse; others don't. There's also the fact that she had been taken to a doctor multiple times for a vaginal infection or inflammation or something like that, but that's actually not uncommon among young girls (though of course, it could be the result of CSA.)

You can read about the medical evidence and different opinions on whether or not she had been sexually abused previously here. You can read about the changing science of CSA in Ross Cheit's The Witch Hunt Narrative. I have quite a few criticisms of this book, but it's a good starting point if you want to know about how people thought about child sexual abuse in the '80s and '90s. Cheit talks about several cases in detail that involved ambiguous medical evidence, which is helpful in thinking about a case like this one.

Forensic pathologists who read the autopsy report, one prominent pathologist being Cyril H. Wecht, he co-wrote a book on the case where he goes into detail on this.

Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey.


Two other books on the case have also discussed it.

Foreign Faction.

JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation.

There is an interesting thread on this entire subject at http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?10255-Autopsy-evidence-of-ONGOING-SEXUAL-ABUSE

My personal opinion is that it was an accident (head trauma) then cover up (staged kidnapping and ransom) but you have to look at the whole case and in doing so that means taking into consideration evidence of prior abuse. I don't think the abuse lead to her unfortunate murder, I think it was an accident.

The thread above is very informative on the subject.