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Thanks. Used to be a store in my town but unfortunately the closest one is about an hour and a half away now. I did some googling and I see what you're talking about, but I'm like 99.999% sure this model never had them. This vacuum is 15 years old. I found the base plate for this one and you can see they don't have the bars: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.picclickimg.com%2Fd%2Fl400%2Fpict%2F173964900920_%2FOreck-XL-Base-Bottom-Plate-Parts-for-Oreck.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpicclick.com%2FOreck-XL-Part-Bottom-Cover-Roller-Brush-142895625759.html&docid=wtMVw33Yq0oAgM&tbnid=vHw2ldYLB0laqM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjbm8m03-rkAhVQnJ4KHfI9DkEQMwijAigBMAE..i&w=400&h=267&itg=1&bih=766&biw=1440&q=XL260HH%20oreck&ved=0ahUKEwjbm8m03-rkAhVQnJ4KHfI9DkEQMwijAigBMAE&iact=mrc&uact=8

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Anyway, thanks again. Sorry if I came off like I'm questioning your expertise. I was mainly just curious for curiosity sake. I'm sure the roller needs changed. I may actually just buy a new one rather than try to perform maintenance on this one. Looks like Amazon has this one for $150: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NDNV18/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_J0RIDbHJZHDD1 Would you recommend that one? I figure if it lives half as long as my current one, that'll be great!

I would suggest the C1 Delphi. It has the basic electric brush (overkill for rugs, but great if you ever have a place with low-pile carpets and is upgradable to the 228 or 236 brush if you have hi-pile carpets). It comes with the Parquet Twister head which is essential for hardwood floors and is orders of magnitude better than the multihead (I have both). It's not fancy. It doesn't have the foot-operated suction adjustment switches, and I think it doesn't come with the HEPA filter (although you can buy one for it). Because you have a furry friend, I recommend getting the Handheld Turbobrush.

All of that said, go to your local Miele dealer and see what they have. There are special in-store-only models that are usually a better deal than what you can find online. But the C1 Delphi is where I would start.

Jumbled mess excused. Reading comprehension I have, Hmm?

Probably meant a U1.

Riccar uprights, noted.

C2 Electro + good idea for uncertain future, check. I watched the video here, I gotta say it seems nice to be able to flick a switch to turn off the roller and switch to hard surfaces. The rugs come with and stay with the unit, so I have a weird need to go from surface to surface or sort of dart and squeeze...

C1 line isn't sealed (HEPA? Filtration?). What I'm hearing is "when the filtration of your bag fails, you will have nothing left in that department and your machine will spew out the particulates it's meant to capture, rather than kicking them around the inside for a bit longer until you change the bag like a decent human person".

The C1 is only $300 on Amazon ($350 for the Limited which I'm guessing has the extra attachments, which I'd spring for). Should I just make out like a bandit? At half the price, I don't think I'd mind buying another vacuum after I settle down more (geographically). What am I "missing out on" from the C2 Electro +? Just the seal? And the remedy is to be mindful of the bags?

The C2 can be had at nearly the same low price (hard wood version), but it doesn't say "electro +" which, I gather from my exhaustive and somewhat confusing delve into the vacuum world refers to the electrobrush, essential for getting dirt out of carpets with a cannister vacuum. Am I on the right track here? Don't skip the electrobrush, full stop?

I don't mind driving 80 minutes one way to buy a vacuum. I mind driving 80 minutes one way to evaluate vacuums and pulling the trigger under pressure and leaving confused and regretful. I was looking forward to driving To The City to look at higher quality vacuums but as I was getting navigation I noticed they're permanently closed. It's down to totally sketchballs shacks with no riccar, miele, or sebo at all. Electrolux, maybe.

C3 is bigger. Okay, I'm a giant 6'4" young man, and not worried about hauling around a little extra. You lost me at door vs pig tail and I really did search for images and pig tails and I can only guess you're referring to the power cord. I guess the C3 goes to the base and not the electrobrush attachment? Something like that?

All in all, I absolutely recognize and accept that I'm going to get what I pay for. I believe there will be drawbacks and removed attachments that make the $300-$350 range vacuums deal breakers. My sister loves her Dyson and I don't mean to dissuade her (and in fact I've used it and thought it was just fine, it's a higher tier model for pets and does the job in their small single story house). I could get a Dyson, but I feel like I would regret not getting a decent vacuum for the same reason you want a decent bed. It's not the most glamorous piece of your house, but dang if a good one doesn't pay dividends for your health and well-being and happiness. With that in mind, it sounds like a C-series is right for me. The C1 sounds like it's more of a cost savings and physically lighter model. The C2 sounds more like an all-rounder, and the C1 is King Kong Big Boy, same power and price point just bigger. Am I anywhere near the mark?

You've been very helpful already, thanks.

Since you have a good budget I'm just going to link some quality vacuums. Ill point out a few important things about each vacuum.

1 This upright has more suction than most vacuums. It has a bare floor setting, a Hepa Filter, 14 Inch Cleaning Path, a 40 Foot cord, and a thermal reset switch. I rarely have any of these come back to my store and if they do it's usually user error. This unit is also designed to be their "Quiet Force" vacuum. I can vouch for that. It truly is a quiet vacuum. It's a nice feature if you can only vacuum at night while the kids are asleep. I do have to warn you that the back piece is just a tad weak on this unit because of all the weight the put into the head. However, this wont be a problem if you take care of your vacuums. And even if it does break the head will just droop down but it won't effect the vacuuming. This is one of my all time favorite uprights. http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-MC-UG729-Upright-Vacuum-Cleaner/dp/B008LA4F0M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458433913&sr=8-1&keywords=mc-ug729

2 This is the canister version of the upright panasonic in #1. They really have the same features but this isn't a "quiet force." However, you can turn the strength of the suction down on the hose so I guess that counts as making it quiet. This canister has a 24 foot cord/cord reel, telescopic wand, Hepa filter, and a 12 inch cleaning path. Don't be fooled by the price on this one either. Panasonic sells this for $500 on their website. They just made some deal with amazon I guess.... My cost to purchase this vacuum for resale is higher than what they sell it for :(
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-MC-CG917-OptiFlow-Canister-Cleaner/dp/B005JTHQXQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_201_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=41S2xfqWXxL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=04KBB3V55GCA3J4S2MEC

3 The sebo felix is a good option too. Just know that if you have to get it repaired almost all of the parts will be "special order."

Feel free to contact me if you have anymore questions. Remember to order extra bags if you don't have a vacuum store near you.

We tend to like bagged canister vacs. For what it's worth, a canister vac keeps its weight on the ground and just drags behind you. It's about the same weight if you have to carry it up stairs, but it's in two parts so it's way easier to carry.

Check this guy out.

It's got both a powered carpet head and a hardwood floor head included. It's corded which is way more powerful. It's bagged so you have to empty it far less often. The compact is also pretty light. And it's about $120 less than the dyson.

That said, the total package weight on Amazon is 3x as much. That includes multiple heads and accessories, so it doesn't weigh that much in practice. If you have stairs, this will definitely be harder to move up and down. That said, doing my stairs is the ONLY time I ever even lift my vacuum; it's meant to roll, so you never really have to pick it up unless you're storing it somewhere weird.

Hope that helps!

The difference between the regular and pet models is just the tools, however the max has a few differences but the main one is that it has a different baseplate that does a great job of sealing to the carpet, improving performance and maximizing airflow through the carpet, also it happens to be cheaper at the moment so even if they were the same, the max would still be the best deal: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0055SNR2A/ref=psdcmw_510110_t2_B003EQ470G?th=1&psc=1

Hey, what do you think of something like Traffic Slam or Newline for a "pro" pre-spray, if I mix it up in a pump sprayer and then extract it using my Hoover steamvac? Just reading some comments over on truckmountforums and a lot of the guys seemed to recommend these (and Bio Break and Enzall powder mixes).

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BTHPMQH/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H4WTLXB/

Good idea? Bad idea?

Otherwise, these were some of the more "pedestrian" products I was looking at possibly getting. If one of these will get me much better results, then I'll do it.

Hoover Expert Clean https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D20IREU

Stain-X https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008LYBWC2

Bubbas carpet shampoo, maybe boosted with their enzyme product https://www.amazon.com/Bubbas-Cleaner-SHAMPOO-Solution-Upholstery/dp/B00JT4VP3Y/

I guess, I'm trying to get semi-pro results with pretty low end equipment lol. My idea is to pre-spray, maybe agitate with a carpet rake, let dwell for 10 minutes, use my machine to extract, then rinse/final extract. I think with enough passes I can extract enough to get good results with enough effort. Definitely not pro level, but better than good enough.

Sanitaires are great deep cleaning direct air vacuums but they are really only good for carpeting and nothing else. An attachment hose is really convenient. I think Riccar is having some problems so they are not treating their dealers that well.

there's always something like this that will perform almost as well the Riccar https://www.amazon.com/Hoover-WindTunnel-Upright-Cleaner-UH30600/dp/B0055SNR2A/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Hoover+Tempo&qid=1569703705&s=gateway&sr=8-4

Also, take a look at the Sebo Felix. Might be the best upright on the market for home use.

You won't find anything under $300 that will adequately handle a 2500 sq ft. house with 2 dogs. I would recommend a Sebo Felix, which is a German-made nimble machine that can be hoisted on your shoulder to clean your stairs. It's a very nice machine with a great 5 year warranty. It's quiet, excellent filtration.

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The absolute best price to performance ratio would be an Oreck commercial bagged upright. You can get them on Amazon for sub $200.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NDNV18/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_V1NiDbVVWZZVD

If you want to splurge a little then look at used Miele or SEBO uprights, they're the industry standard for canisters as well. Just know you will probably have to pay closer to $400.

Good luck!

Good day to there are a lot of contradictions in there.

you do not save money and you actually create more waste with bagless vacuums.


I have multiple suggestions for you.

I'd actually recommend a bag vacuum where the bags are large any economical .
since you seem not to be concerned about wall to wall carpet which is a good thing.
I would recommend a Henry to you.
They make a long plug-in version well within your budget. Here is a Video

https://youtu.be/b0MqUb8JKNM

Here is the Cordless version of the same machine. Slightly out of your budget.
https://youtu.be/oYkoasXjlYw

Another great plug-in vacuum is the SEBO Felix again long cord and economical supplies.
https://youtu.be/AmEZb39TjmM

there is a less expensive version without as long of warranty but basically the same machine that can be bought here for$360

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5P91QH/?cv_ct_id=amzn1.idea.ROL97U14J79X&cv_ct_pg=storefront&cv_ct_wn=aip-storefront&ref=exp_cov_performancereviews_dp_vv_mw

You could look at a Dyson V8 if you want to buy a different floor tool. I don't recommend the v11 as it's too bulky.

https://youtu.be/3HsJJb-bUTc


Hope that helps.

Both have great filtration. Personally, I always go with sealed because I have such terrible allergies. You might find that you want a larger bag. The sealed filtration is worth it to me unless you want the larger bag.

The FiberTeQ and AllTeQ are basically the same thing. However, if you REALLY want something for your hardwoods, I'd really suggest adding on the Miele Parquett Twister brush. It's got way more rotation in the brush for getting in hard to reach places and it's really, really fantastic on sensitive hard flooring. You can't go wrong.

Thanks for the reply. The Windtunnel Max looks like a good choice (we definitely need above floor tools), but I'm a little confused by the choices I see in the Windtunnel line. Is there a big difference or advantage to the Maax compared to this Windtunnel T-Series? I see there is also a 'pet' model; are they all based on the same technology?

Thanks again, sorry for all the questions!

After doing some additional looking around, how nicely would a Miele S2121 Canister Vacuum hold up for my requirements?

It is currently listed for $399 - is this a reasonable price? Would I be able to get a better deal by going to a dealership?

Thanks again!

Honestly, Dyson makes the best cordless cleaners on the market IMO. They're the only cordless cleaners I've come across that have suction comparable to a 'real' vacuum. If you want a cordless cleaner, I'd buy a Dyson and skip the knock-offs.

That being said, Corded cleaners are cheaper, have more power, and have a much longer life expectancy (all Lithium Batteries have a finite lifespan).

I'd consider one of Dyson's corded models if you want Bagless, This DC33 is an excellent machine for the price.

If you want bagged, go for something like This Panasonic or This Hoover


Both of the machines I listed are "commercial grade" vacuums, meaning they lack cosmetic frills. But will be practically un-killable in residential use. Like.. Will literally last you 20 years.

EDIT: I forgot to mention noise levels. The Dyson I linked is extremely quiet, as is the Panasonic. The Hoover is slightly noisier, but nothing that's horrible.

Every machine you linked to but the S/P windtunnel will without a doubt give you issues with the belt tensioner. It's definitely the Achilles heal of this style.

I also don't like how on the "Pet" and "Max" machines that you really can't use after market bags. For example, if you buy a bunch of generic Y bags online for either of these machines, often times the collar that holds them on is rounded on one end, but the bag dock only accommodates Hoover's square collar. May seem like a moot point, but it bugs me.

As vacuumsaregreat has said, older F&G style Eurekas are a good option for the price range, but if you want tools I'd look at the [Hoover Tempo] (http://www.amazon.com/Hoover-WidePath-Bagged-Upright-U5140900/dp/B0009ONZ8G)

Another $100 would open up a number of other options if at all possible.

This vacuum
has been wonderful for my hardwood floors as well as the small area of carpeting I have. Hope this helps.

I wouldn't recommend Consumer Reports for their vacuum reviews, as they only test the vacuum's cleaning ability, not its longevity.

At the $400 level I'd recommend either the Miele Twist ($449) or the [Simplicity Symmetry Standard](http://simplicityvac.com/symmetry-standardn ($399).

If you are willing to look at used vacuums, you can find Miele Canisters for around $300, and Riccar 8900 and Vibrance uprights for less than $200.

The best tool for cleaning animal hair on furniture is a motorized or air driven brush.

Ok, sounds great! This is the one you're referring too, correct?

Great suggestion. Thank You.
Reading the old threads I was leaning towards this one Hoover-WindTunnel-Bagged-Upright-UH30310!
But I can't see any difference between the two. What do you think?

Is this Hoover Tempo the vacuum you are recommending? Also, I read somewhere that bagged vacuums are better than bagless, is that still true today?

In this case, all you'd really need is a straight suction canister.

-Miele C1 Good filtration for allergies.

-Sebo K2 Very durable, S-class filtration.

No experience with Simplicity/Riccar, but people seem to like them. Stay away from anything bagless, they're not worth the hassle.

Also, what about between:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KR5UJKO/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NDNV18/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

I know the Oreck is a little out of my original budget, but still just curious.

Miele canisters are suppose to very good at controlling particulates. Though I don't have any personal experience with Miele Compact C2 Electro+ Canister Vacuum, it's apparently the Wirecutter's best pick for filtering allergen.
> Ultimately, some other vacuums match or nearly match the Miele models’ filtration, but we’re not aware of any that outperform it.

It's slightly over your budget, but this Hoover Windtunnel T-Series seems to fit the bill.

Does the Miele Compact C1 Turbo Team Canister that amazon has for $299 fit the bill? Miele Compact C1 Turbo Team Canister Vacuum,Obsidian Miele Compact C1 Turbo Team Canister Vacuum,Obsidian Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XHQLDJV/

For $1,000 your decision is really about canister or upright... what you're most comfortable using. And getting the most convenience features you can.

I wouldn't give extra credence to pet-specific models. Any Miele will do a good job. I have two cats and a cat tree that gets matted with hair and a sofa that gets covered in hair daily. My Compact C2 does a fine job pulling hair up.

You'll want a Miele STB 101 Mini Handheld Turbobrush or Miele STB 20 Flexible Mini Handheld Turbobrush for furniture. (Neither are really mini... they're big compared to brushes on mass market vacuums.)

You'll need a floor head that is electrically powered (not powered by air flow) for your carpet, which is something to watch for if you're buying a canister model.

My one annoyance with my Compact C2 is the foot lever for raising and lowering the height of the head. It really needs to be a knob because there are 5 settings and if you're on setting 2 and want setting 1, you have to press it 7 times, all the way up to 5 and then back down to 1. It's a horrible design.

https://www.amazon.com/Miele-Compact-C1-Canister-Obsidian/dp/B06XHQLDJV

I have heard that if you go to a vacuum shop you can get the homecare version with better warranty for the same price. Wait for someone to chime in on that.

Would you recommend this vacuum?
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B003EQ470G/

Agreed. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0009ONZ8G/ref=psdc_510110_t4_B003EQ4710

Oh, thank you so much! I had no idea. I will definitely look into the Sebo K2. Are you talking about this one? I'm confused if it has a HEPA filter or not. One of the reviews say it does, but none of the descriptions say so.

I was planning on ordering from here: www.pwoutlet.com/Karcher-CV-300-Commercial-Upright-Vacuum-p/1.012-059.0.htm

Here's an Amazon listing (more expensive though and the product description doesn't match for some reason): www.amazon.com/12-Upright-Motor-Vacuum-300/dp/B01N5P91QH/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=karcher+cv300&qid=1556563049&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull

https://www.amazon.com/Hoover-Cleaner-WidePath-Upright-U5140900/dp/B0009ONZ8G/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1497302768&sr=1-1&keywords=hoover+tempo

The Tempo is widely lauded as the budget bagged upright.

>Sebo Felix

Are you talking about the SEBO 9807AM model? https://www.amazon.com/9807AM-Premium-Upright-Vacuum-Parquet/dp/B00188ALYS

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00188ALYS/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_201_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7NW1YY6990TAYDZB83EP

This the one??

The STB101 comes with the usa version.

I would get the commercial version of the Sebo Felix. Its about 300 - 350 online and is basicaly the same thing minus some features such as variable suction control and a swivel base.


https://www.amazon.com/12-Upright-Motor-Vacuum-300/dp/B01N5P91QH/ref=pd_ybh_a_30?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AXYRHRHPJ8K93A57M4V7

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XHQLDJV

https://www.amazon.com/Hoover-Commercial-HushTone-Hard-Bagged-Upright/dp/B01EA3EAJO

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one of the best performing upright vacuums is the Maytag M1200 but it's no longer made, maybe they have a deal on one that's old stock.

You mention $400.. does that mean you wouldn't recommend this $300 Miele?

What do you think about an Oreck? I'm hesitating over this one since I've had this one for a while and its hard to push on the carpet.
https://www.amazon.com/Hoover-Cleaner-WidePath-Upright-U5140900/dp/B0009ONZ8G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494214028&sr=8-1&keywords=hoover+bagged+vacuum

Is this the one? https://www.amazon.com/Miele-Compact-C1-Suction-Canister/dp/B06XHPLYZL/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1538363038&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=Miele+Classic+C1+Turbo+Team+Vacuum&psc=1

at 239.00 on prime that could be a steal! if its the right one...

This is my vacumm and this is my story.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YIXK2A/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Bought a blue Miele pet upright off Amazon a couple of years ago for three fiddy, about a year ago they changed U bag design, the new bags no longer fit very well and fall off when the bag is half full, fills entire bag chamber with dirt/dust/hair crap that is mucho gross. Bought 3 different boxes of U bags off ebay and Amazon and even tried a local shop, local shop said I was SOL then laughed at me for buying a Miele, claiming they change shit like that all the time. Miele customer service SUCKS, good luck with that.

Sold that POS on craigslist for a cool hundy. Waved goodbye to it as it rolled away and whispered audios you dirty dirty Motherfucker.