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u/2pedestrian4reddit · 3 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

I know this is a bit late to the party but my friend just got diagnosed as well and we went on a day long researching binge. I tried to consolidate everything we found to reference later, so for you and any one else interested here is a wall of text. I hope it helps.

The http://www.spondylitis.org website has some good background information with a useful guide on where to start. But I was surprised how there was no emphasis on the importance of diet. I found another website called kickas.org which focuses on diet and the findings of an English doctor named Alan Ebringer. Here's a quick summary of his findings which I haven't found refuted anywhere:

"Ankylosing spondylitis is considered to be a form of "reactive arthritis" following an infection of the terminal ileum and ascending colon by the bowel microbe Klebsiella. Specific anti- Klebsiella antibodies in AS patients have now been reported from 17 different countries: England, Finland, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Spain, Belgium, Slovakia, Japan, China, Australia, Canada, USA, Mexico, Argentina, and Turkey.
Over 95% of AS patients possess the HLA-B27 antigen whilst it is present only in 8% of the general population. The Klebsiella microbe has molecules which resemble HLA-B27 and this is the reason why AS patients generally belong to the HLA-B27 group.
In addition, the pullulanase molecule of the Klebsiella microbe crossreacts with type I collagen found in tendons and bone and also with type IV collagen found in basement membranes of retina and uvea, thereby explaining the pathological sites of AS."

We all have trillions of bacteria from thousands of different strains in our gut and I bet most everyone has that Klebsiella bacteria. It's only a problem in people who also have the HLA-B27 antigen who then experience an overgrowth of that particular bacteria. Since that bacteria feeds on starches, you can alter your diet to essentially "starve" it out. This is the London AS diet

As you can see, you may have to cut out additional things like dairy, eggs and even some veggies like onions if you don't get relief by sticking to the middle column. As you starve out the Klebsiella bacteria you'll want to actively replace it with beneficial bacteria (probiotics) like the ones found in yogurt(get the plain, unsweetened greek yogurt), Kefir, kombucha or probiotic pills like these.

Additionally, as you cut sugar and other carbs you'll also be starving out the candida yeast that lives in all our bodies. In some people, too high of a candida population can cause a host of issues ranging from hives to arthritis. You may not have any issues with candida, but if you did, they'll start dying out as well (bonus!). Having so many yeast and bacteria dying off can cause problems on their own unfortunately, they release toxins when they die and their little dead cells have to be cleared out by the body. The body can react to this sudden die off and it's called a Herxheimer reaction (or just "herxing"). Herxing can feel like a whole body inflammation/hives/the flu. You're body can normally process the dying organisms along with the toxins fast enough, but drink plenty of water to help yourself out, your kidneys and liver will be working hard and they'll need the water(some tea can't hurt either).

Another interesting thing I came across is leaky gut syndrome. The basic idea is that the lining of the intestines can become too thin, thin enough to allow large, not-yet-fully-digested proteins and other molecules to permeate the gut and enter your bloodstream. Then, your immune system attacks these unknown molecules and the result is a host of inflammatory responses like arthritis and IBS. Incidentally, frequent use of antibiotics can cause work to thin the lining of the intestines, as well NSAIDs.

This stuff is so increadibly complex and interrelated! but also fascinating. The health of your gut and the kinds of bacteria living there can even influence your mood and determine your obesity risk as well.

Fasting also fits into this puzzle. Humans have fasted for religious and health reasons for all of recorded history. Juice fasts and such even had a pop culture resurgence. One of the benefits of fasting is that you starve out the yeast and bacteria since only your own cells have access to any energy (your own fat stores). This allows you to essentially reset your body and repopulate your gut with healthier bacteria. This article references a few scientific studies that seen to back up that idea. A less appealing way to repopulate your gut bacteria would be... However, IBS and colitis are often comorbid with AS so it might be worth considering. It was for some on the kickas.org forums.

Inflammation seems to be at the intersection of all this. In many ways, inflammation is at the root of all illness. In a sense, you aren’t just your human self, but an ever changing proportion of human cells, bacteria, yeasts, and viruses as well. For long term health you have to keep your non-pathogenic guests in balance lest they bloom and become pathogenic AND maintain an immune system strong enough to evict the active pathogens but not attack your own cells. At the risk of redundancy, I think it’s useful to include this book that covers the importance of that balance and the risk of antibiotics.
A final resource I found was on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, which isn't must different than the London AS diet but the website was very helpful and had a lot of information that was free even though they're trying to sell a book.
AS can seem daunting, maybe I should have led with a positive testimonial from someone who managed to control his AS
Dotyisle’s AS story

Oh, one final thing, exercise as much as you can! I have a book called "The Exercise Cure" and for Arthritis (closest thing in the book to AS) he says those with severe pain should at least do stretching, yoga/swimming/strength exercises like air squats and lunges.

TL;DR: A low/no starch diet will lower the number of harmful bacteria, reduce your inflammation response, and increase the effectiveness of traditional medicines at smaller (easier on the body/less side effects) doses.

u/reallyserious · 1 pointr/ankylosingspondylitis

You're certainly right that some exercise is better than none. Some form of biking is probably a good thing. I was extremely active before my injury so this very passive situation I'm in is very frustrating.

As for insurance I live in Sweden so we have a different system. A doctor can prescribe almost anything that has proven medical merit and the government pays almost all of it. So before the summer I tried acupuncture for ~2 months. It worked pretty ok for the rest of the back so that's good but the upper trapezius wouldn't budge. It felt like starting over from 0 every time she put the needles in there. I don't mind the needles but it felt a little pointless when the problems in trapezius didn't get better. I hope your wife gets better effect from the acupuncture than I did. I've had nice effect from it in the past where things just started to subtly get better without one being able to point to a specific thing.

Perhaps a good massager would be better for me since I could use it some every day. This looks like nice and heavy duty toy. :)

Another things that I have been contemplating is to get an injection of (I don't even know what it's called in Swedish) a muscle blocker. It's something that prevents the muscle from contracting and lasts for ~2 weeks. I haven't checked what the doctors think about that idea yet though but it has helped me in the past when other muscles weren't cooperating. But I'll try the massager first and will remember your advice on giving it some time to relax.

Thanks a lot!

u/HisDarkSide123 · 3 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

Yes you can. Just spend 30 minutes every day for a month:

u/sleepymoose88 · 4 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

I have a book by Sarah Ballantyne. She’s the founder of the diet. The book is called the Paleo Approach: Reverse Autoimmunity Disease. It’s designed to help all autoimmune diseases, and the book gives you the science behind the diet and what to eat and avoid.

https://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Approach-Reverse-Autoimmune-Disease-ebook/dp/B00I44JHTE/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=paleo+aip&qid=1558054697&s=gateway&sr=8-3


She has another book that has a lot of recipes, but I don’t have the time or patience to cook a full meal for my family and a separate one for myself, so I basically just do meat and veggies with some fruit (berries or an orange) for dessert.

My breakfast usually consists of sausage, Tiger nuts, and some dried fruit.

Mid morning snack is a coconut milk shake with added mct oil, collagen protein, and cinnamon.

Lunch is a salad (romaine and spinach with diced carrots, cucumber, onion, turkey, and bacon) with a homemade dressing (extra virgin olive oil, Apple cider vinegar, garlic, lemon juice, ginger, oregano), celery and slices of cucumber and carrots with honey (some people have issues with carrots FYI even though they’re allowed on the diet).

I snack on pork rinds or toasted coconut chips in the afternoon.

Bananas and sweet potatoes are allowed starches but my symptoms were flaring more when I was eating them, so I stopped based on that and how starches are generally not great for AS.

After 1-6 months (when you’re symptoms are better - if they’re better) you can try to reintroduce foods one at a time to see how you react. She does state that some people with high inflammation may take over a year to get back to an acceptable level of inflammation. She also recommends avoiding NSAIDs as much as possible because they aren’t great for your stomach lining, but somethings you need to take one.

Supplements I take are:
Fish oil
L-glutamine
Turmeric
Boswelia
Ginger
Probiotic
Calcium/vitamin D
Multi vitamin with a lot of B vitamins for my fatigue

Turmeric and ginger are slow acting anti inflammatory. They eventually build up enough to act like a daily NSAIDS without the side effects. Boswelia after a month or two builds up enough to act like a mild TNF blocker apparently. Only been on them for a month, but all the above seems to help quite a bit. I’m not on any DMARDS or biologics yet.

u/Badd99 · 1 pointr/ankylosingspondylitis

Give this a shot. Works pretty well. I'm also a resident and there is a good amount of scientific validity to this product. Take it twice a day with food for better absorption. It should really help.

Life Extension Super Bio-Curcumin Turmeric Extract 400mg, 60 Vegetarian Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000X9P5GM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_uzW6Cb7N0G5ED

u/stinkem0e · 1 pointr/ankylosingspondylitis

The one exercise I can always do is chair yoga, seems silly but it helps, http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Aches-Pains-Charles-Matkin/dp/B00006JDS0 I do some section of this video. I also lay on the floor with my legs on a yoga ball in a seated type position and do a very slight spinal twist for a few min which brings relief.
In my 18 years I have been unable to find a maintainable exercise routine- (tried everything from yoga, pool ex, kick boxing, co ed sports and yes foolishly tried running a marathon) currently I am trying 3 days of exercise to include one day with a long walk, 1 day with 10 min cardio and 20 min lower body weight machines and 1 day 10 min cardio with 20 min upper body weight machines. I am also in a pt routine with 10- 15 min stretches to strengthen and stretch my neck due to cervical headaches. On a side note I am currently the heaviest I have ever been since being diagnosed, (160/ 5'5") the least active and have the fewest amount of arthritic flares- tell me how that makes any sense? best of luck to you.

u/vanceco · 2 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

something that has worked great for me is this cd. i'm usully out in less than 10 minutes.

also- get the best mattress that you can afford. don't scrimp on the piece of furniture that you spend 1/3 of your life laying on.

u/SparkleSpooky · 2 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

Epsom salt is a life saver! The best deal I've found is here

Also, I grew up in East Texas and now live in DFW...screw our weather (:

u/McGoogleBerry · 2 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

Your symptoms do sound like AS to me.

u/6lalalane · 2 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

I just started giving it to my husband on saturday. He's very early in the dusease and still has many symptom free days. When he woke up on Sunday, it was a symptom free day. Today is Monday and I haven't seen him yet.

It's too early to say whether its helping, really.

I also gave him about two teaspoons of this in tea

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00QBCRQJ4/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1501529945&sr=8-2&keywords=chrysanthemum+indicum&dpPl=1&dpID=51TnvrgwE1L&ref=plSrch

On the same day. I'm the laaast person to go for herbal woo woo, but a rat study showed this is a powerful anti inflammatory, and unlike NSAIDS, there's no stomach bleeding. It tastes like barley tea.

u/weasel_b · 2 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

I started out trying the Trader Joe's brand stuff - it's pretty cheap (in the store, not Amazon). I was taking four of these every morning:
https://www.amazon.com/Trader-Omega-3-Fatty-1100mg-90softgels/dp/B004TUYRTM/

These days, I'm experimenting with Krill Oil, as I've heard that it's more efficient for absorption, but haven't noticed too terribly much of a difference from the TJ brand stuff. I'm taking four of these every morning, now:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L4E5RSG/

u/thekidsells · 3 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

My SI joints and neck are the worst this time of year. I use a jade-infrared heating pad for my hips/SI because the heat seems to penetrate deeper. I think I have this one:

Back Rescue Infrared Heating Pads, Fast Pain Relief for Back and Neck, Real Jade, no EMF, FDA, Easily Adjust Temperature and Time, 21 x 32 Inches, with Carry Bag -1 Year Warranty https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759VN36T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_CAu1DbQA6727V

For my neck I use a regular neck heating pad like this:

Sunbeam Heating Pad for Neck & Shoulder Pain Relief | Standard Size Renue, 4 Heat Settings with Auto-Off | Spa Green, 14-Inch x 22-Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001JCXJTW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_SCu1DbZY2B0P0

I’m debating about switching to some sort of heated mattress cover that will stay on for 6-8 hours because most heating pads (like the neck one) shut off at 90 — 120 minutes, which means I wake up with a sore neck and have to turn it back on 1-2 times a night.

I’d love to hear any other ideas or suggestions you’ll have.

u/GoodHabitMags · 1 pointr/ankylosingspondylitis

https://www.amazon.com/Chrysanthemum-Indicum-Flos-Extact-Ganules/dp/B00QBCRQJ4/ref=sr_1_cc_2_a_it?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1502162085&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=chrysanthemum+indicum

It came as a powder. I've just been heating up water in the microwave, then stirring half a spoonful of powder in. I'm totally guessing on the dose....

The taste is not bad, and can be enhanced by flavoring the water with another tea before adding the powder.

It's only been a short time since he started taking it, but maybe it is helping. When he skipped it, he had a bad morning afterwards.

u/bopbeeepbooop · 3 pointsr/ankylosingspondylitis

Totally NOT crazy and NOT in your head (many doctors and people have accused me of that)! It’s really been great to be able to connect with people on here going through the same shit. People without daily pain greatly underplay what we’re going through.

If you really want to sleep on your stomach, try to find a thin pillow. That might help so your neck isn’t pushed up (link to one at the bottom that I tried) I had to return it coz I’m a side sleeper now and it’s too thin for that, but you might like it, and if not you can return it!

And DAMN that’s a lot of surgeries, I’m sorry you had to go through all that. But I feel ya on the job part. I was working retail when my symptoms first started getting worse, within 4 years I could only physically tolerate 1 hour of work per week and even that was pushing it. Eventually I was fired because when I applied for medical leave they told me they didn’t believe my pain could keep me from working. I was lucky with my college professors for working with me so I could finish school. But I finally got diagnosed and my anti inflammatories are really helping with the pain (talk to your doctor about diclofenac it might help) But now I’m stuck looking for a job in my field that’ll pay me enough to have good insurance and my meds. I for sure could not do retail ever again and I can’t stand or sit for hours.
Have you applied to your state’s Medicare or Medicaid? I highly recommend it, I’m on AHCCCS and so far they’ve covered 99% of things

This is the pillow!
Bluewave Bedding Ultra Slim Max Cool Gel Memory Foam Pillow for Stomach and Back Sleepers - Thin and Flat Therapeutic Design for Spinal Alignment, Better Breathing and Enhanced Sleeping https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07W8ZKRFG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_AN1RDbDRXQ9KH