(Part 2) Top products from r/awakened

Bravo. An inspiring conversation. Thanks be to you, u/sarvaga and u/welcome_to_reentry - and thank you u/oKnow0ne for spurring this conversation!

Bodily, I feel very similar, to the point where a few times I've been scared that somehow I might have rheumatism, since surely this chronic ...fire... is not normal, right? But then I get the unmistakable vision that my energy is readying my entire nervous system, straightening my spine, creating air and space in joints that were once compacted, not to mention reshaping my very bone structure and muscle. That all this pain is what renovation feels like - and that the more it hurts to cross the barrier in private anguish, the stronger of an energetic current that the body will be able to handle with ease. And this is vital, in a woo-y sense, because I feel that the more we are able to handle, the more we take on automatically the overflow of anguish and pain from the world itself, helping to carry and process the pain of the entire Earth, as well as those close to us.

To paraphrase Romans, keep faith that the present sufferings will not be worthy to compare to the capacity to heal that will be revealed in us. This is just what it feels like to unlock the fullest potential of a "divine" or energy healer within.

>Take faith in those who've come before you. Find your "spiritual ancestors"

Spot on. This whole movement can be described as a cultural movement towards the feminine principle: intuition, feeling, mystery, the lived-realization of the unbroken connection of all being, all of which the masculine principle - the dominant principle for so, so long - denies having. And before we can make use of those lessons, we need to walk through a fuck-ton of fear (man has always been afraid of woman's depth and power), and we must be purified by passing through the fires of shame and awful, awful cruelty and pain.

One person I found that did pioneering work in this regard is Anais Nin, who journalled extensively in the early-mid 20th century. Volume One of her diary is a treasure trove of insight into the psychological/energetic blockages that we perpetuate, as well as how to abide in that (aptly named) resonance when it arises. Her stories then are our stories now, and seeing her discuss them with the best minds of her generation is a masterclass on our own neuroticisms ("interferences and resistances"), not intellectually only, but practically, for she discovers how to forgive them and get past them.

Plus, it's the warmest book I've ever read. It radiates heat, compassion, love. It is a nice counterbalance to be reminded of this divine warmth, when inside we feel cold as the arctic snow.

I never want to write and create more than after I read Anais Nin. Notably, perhaps the vital step to undoing our energetic blockages is through rechanneling the energy that sustains them, via the act of creation. The creative energy in us was never meant to echo around inside our heads: though the "personality" such rattling creates can be beautiful in its own right, this energy can find full release only through the outward act of creation. The more we create, the more these seeming slippery "blockages" will disappear of their own regard, since they were never a dysfunction per se, but a misapplication of our creative talents.

It's a long, winding tale. The book is really two halves, imo - the first half is experience, the second half is digesting those experiences - and both come together to make a powerful gospel of healing, ending in the most visceral tale of surrender-bliss that I have ever read.

The Diary of Anais Nin, Vol 1: 1931-1934

Cool man - I hope you find what you're looking for.

About 20 years ago, I came across a former monk and was turned onto his book called Dance of a Fallen Monk. He spent 21 years in a monastery and this book talks all about his journey into the monastery and how his life unfolded along the way. It's still in the top 5 of my all time favorite books.

> This learning and growing after a point cannot occur over the internet or from books, but only from being in the direct presence of a master.

That is one way to look at it. However there are many masters that did not have masters before them.

I don't claim to be any sort of scholar on the subject but The Buddha apparently didn't have a master and simply sat under the Bodhi Tree and gained enlightenment....Ok I'm sure he did more than sit there but the point is, no master taught him. Same with others.

If we truly have the spark of the divine within, there are no doors that are inaccessible to us.

I've recently been learning about Dimensional Jumping and it's really helping to expand my ideas of what is possible. If you're interested, I recently found this guy to be quite compelling - here's a vid of his that I think really helps explain the concepts.

There's also a subreddit that discusses this stuff called /r/DiminsionalJumping.

Fun stuff

> I'm talking about why the awareness that I experience is experiencing sensory inputs from the point of view of this body-abstraction instead of any other body-abstraction in existence.

Ohhh. That's a very big question. Years ago I went out to explore this, so I ended up writing a program that analyzes visual information. I ended up throwing the stock market at it.

From this I have an idea how the underlining processes work, but they're only a guess -- the way I re-engineered them onto a computer, but from modeling my own awareness machine. If you want the finer underlining details, I can explain, but I think it is a bit of a rabbit hole for what you're probably looking for.

Then from there, at a higher level falls into the abstraction bit. So like, if you see a pattern a bunch of times (a bunch of similar patterns) the mind will "compress" this pattern into a single concept and from that concept into a single word, or a set of words. This makes all the things we know of in the universe.

Of course, I'm using language to describe language here, and that gets a little twisty (loopy particularly), but one thing at a time. No need to get overloaded.

You might like the book GEB or it's easier cousin I Am A Strange Loop.

>If multiple points of experience exist, then you have not answered what separates them. You have instead linked to something incoherent about abstractions, which is all anyone ever does when asked this question.

You can get into perceptions. The book Prometheus Rising does a great job diving into that and is a fun read too.

But are you talking about perceptions, which is interpretations of patterns, or multiple instances of awareness? Like how one eye is different from the other?

A simpler answer, which might be what you're looking for, is the mind machine has a process that identifies difference. This has to have memory to do so, most likely in time, but theoretically it only needs a single frame of space to do so.

Yes its a wonderful thing. Most probably will no believe unless they experience it themselves. (And that's the point, heh!)

I found so far while in lucidity its mostly useful for sensory perceptual changes. DMT now has almost no effect anymore, but damn what a powerful tool on the journey. I do enjoy from a little self perspective the perceptual changes of micro dosing.

On heavy flow days, I will notice the self referencing pattern overlays and fractals. I remember asking my inner being when it pipes in, what they are? All I got was "the brain filters this out normaly" ... a thanks LIFE for being cryptic as usual, lol.

The explorer me would like to study these more, later after some research the I found a guy "Jason Padgett" who suffered a brain injury and his brain rewired itself to perceive what is normal under the hood. He see's the world as geometric, fractal, faceted, time shifts like matrix layers and sees numbers as shapes. How amazing would that be?

Struck by Genius: How a Brain Injury Made Me a Mathematical Marvel

>But what about the oxitocine bond between child and mother?
The chemistry of maternal love is real. So is the feeling. And when the chemistry ceases the withdrawal syndromes are all too obvious.

Yes, I've read something that speaks to this poetically alongside physiological detail, in regards to the limbic brain also A General Theory of Love. But this is a specific kind of relational love.

>NO - the feeling of abandonment is precisely result of our experience, it is the very core of our natural identity.

Yet that is what he is meaning I believe, while proposing from and stating there is a condition beyond this. Have you read his work? It is perhaps being operatively aware in this 'beyond' condition that the activity of contraction as he calls it is perceived to be hallucinatory, state/stage conditional.

> That is why depression is the only truly effective state of individuation, the state of detachment from all cultural categories, the state of entirely submerging in the river of pure sorrow, where we can enter only alone, and from which we emerge as true individuals.

It is a necessary state and position-as-perspective to enter, I would agree. But there is more and/or other (transpersonal developments).

Just read this book and you will wake up real quick:

http://www.amazon.com/Conversations-God-Uncommon-Dialogue-Book/dp/0399142789/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462754475&sr=8-1&keywords=conversations+with+god

There are 7-8 books that follow it and it covers every aspect of life. I wouldn't know how to answer your question because there are so many different aspects of life but in a nutshell, my life seriously improved. I spoke to others that read these books and all of them say the same thing. It's an exciting roller coaster ride all the way through and at the end you should be a brand new person but a whole lot more powerful.

Thank you. I'll check that video out now.

It could be that the pain isn't from the thought but from the egoic response to the thought. It's unlikely the experiment my colleagues teacher had accounted for this. If that could be shown it would affirm that egoic response is the creation of suffering even on the smallest scale of a single unobserved thought. :)

I haven't heard of Gary Weber. Will look him up as well. Thank you.

Have you looked at the book The Holographic Universe? It meshes well with Alan Watts and Eckhart Tolle and is the crux of my education of the scientific basis for non duality.

Awesome. It sounds like you have a fulfilling life. Would you say you do? Do you have children?

Also, have you read this? http://www.amazon.com/The-Tibetan-Book-Living-Dying/dp/0062508342

I don't entirely know what his references are either, but Googling some terms, you may wish to start with The Emerald Tablet of Hermes.

Specifically, the "five-spiked crown" reference occurs in this book about the Emerald Tablet, The Emerald Tablet: Alchemy for Personal Transformation.

From my own experience: "the occult" is a very broad category. It can easily be a distraction or draw you toward the idea that the answers are all outside of you. Remember that anything that resonates does so because it is reflecting knowledge within you.

Gently? Not sure, but try The Way to Love by Anthony de Mello, a Jesuit priest. Read the Amazon preview.

All translations and commentaries are done from the perspective of the person doing the translation.

One person's best translation is another's worst because of that issue as different spiritual perspectives are sometimes completely opposed to each other.

I'm a fan of Maharishi Mahesh YOgi's Translation and Commentary of the first 6 chapters of the Gita.

Most people hate it because he speaks from the perspective of someone who teaches that TM is the most effective way to become enlgihtened and, while he never made it clear, most meditation practices actually take you in the opposite direction from TM.

His students, Thomas Egenes and Vernon Katz have published translations of the Upanishads and the Yoga Sutras that are based on enlightenment from a TM perspective, and those too will be seen as the worst possible from the perspective of those who promote mindfulness.

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Example:

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Taught by an inferior man this Self cannot be easily known,

even though reflected upon. Unless taught by one

who knows him as none other than his own Self,

there is no way to him, for he is subtler than subtle,

beyond the range of reasoning.



Not by logic can this realization be won. Only when taught

by another, [an enlightened teacher], is it easily known,

dearest friend.

-Katha Upanishad, I.2.8-9

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That [unmanifest] is full; This [manifest] is full.


From fullness fullness comes out.

Taking fullness, from fullness,

what remains is fullness.

-Isha Upanishad (Translation Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)


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https://www.amazon.com/Upanishads-Translation-Tarcher-Cornerstone-Editions/dp/0399174230

https://www.amazon.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Bhagavad-Gita-Translation/dp/0140192476/ref=la_B000AQ4QWC_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526704395&sr=1-1

Read this

It's an excerpt from The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell.

The entire book is a transcript taken from a series of video interviews with Joseph Campbell. The series is called The Power of Myth and it's still available on NETFLIX, I believe. I've watched the entire series and am currently reading the book and it's given me a profound understanding.

According to the Buddhist view of the mind, there are amotions that are inherently destructive; they are usually summarized with the so-called "three poisons": greed, anger, ignorance. Connected to them there are others, like jealousy, pride etc.
There is an interesting book about the negative emotions, it compares the modern scientific view of emotions and the traditional Buddhist one, it originates from one of the yearly meetings that the Dalai Lama holds with scientists about different subjects.

Destructive Emotions: A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama.