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I wouldn't know how to mount the joystick between your legs, but I recently mounted my throttle on the left arm of my chair and my joystick on the right. I have this kind of chair and I used two of these brackets. You clamp one onto each arm, swivel them up, then just velcro your joystick/throttle onto the flat surface. Since it's velcro you can detach them anytime you want, which is nice.

The brackets are kinda expensive at $35 each, but it was pretty worth it for me, it's a very comfortable setup and honestly a lot easier than trying to build something yourself. I sit in this chair while playing Elite Dangerous in VR and it feels just like I'm in a cockpit.

There's a couple of good options at the moment, but any recommendations on my part depend on your budget.

If you want to start small, I recommend the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X. Probably the cheapest true HOTAS you can find, decent functionality, decent build quality.

Other options are the CH Products Fighterstick + Pro Throttle combo (reliable, accurate), or the Warthog (extremely good HOTAS, but expensive).

I recommend not buying Saitek products, eventhough they may seem like a good compromise between price and performance. Saitek's quality control is abysmal, their products use flimsy and cheap manufacturing techniques, their software performs poorly - just save yourself the trouble and go straight for a more reliable setup.

Hmm, lets see...

CH - These are all old/well established and generally well regarded

• Pro Throttle - Has an analog thumb stick and a linear slide (goes forward and back without going "up and over").
  
• Fighterstick - No TWIST axis, you therefore require pedals for a YAW or ROLL axis.
  
• Pro Pedals - I've not heard any bad things about them, often they are recommended.
  
  The CH products are old looking but very robust and generally well regarded. The software is dated but probably the most powerful and flexible on the market today.
  
  Saitek - Formerly MadCatz now Logitech
  
  
• X-52 HOTAS - Has TWIST. Mid range and fairly well regarded.
  
• X-52 Pro HOTAS - Has TWIST. As above, not a lot of difference between them.
  
• X-55 HOTAS - Has TWIST. Older model, replaced by X-56.
  
• X-56 HOTAS - Has TWIST. NEW replaces the X-55.
  
  Saitek have been plagued by QA/QC issues and shoddy drivers. The software works fairly well, provided you avoid the bluescreens.
  
  X-52's are generally well regarded, although some report issues with squeaks and sticktion.
  
  X-55's have known issues with throttle wiring issues causing button failure etc. X-56's may or may not suffer the same issue with the same regularity. The X-56 is basically a revamped X-55 with a hat (throttle) and button (stick) replaced by analog thumb sticks.
  
  My X-55 had switches which died from overuse, they are smaller switches than in other products (CH) and rated for fewer clicks so it's no surprise.
  
  Thrustmaster - Good reputation for solid reliable hardware.
  
  
• T-16000M - Has TWIST. A well priced accurate stick, very well regarded, has perhaps a few too few buttons on the stick itself for my liking.
  
• T-Flight HOTAS X HOTAS - Has TWIST. Cheap entry level HOTAS, basic but fairly reliable for the price. You can buy the stick alone also as "T-Flight STICK X".
  
• FCS HOTAS - Has TWIST. The revamped T-16000M with the new TWCS throttle.
  
• TWCS - The NEW throttle, just released, has mixed reviews.
  
• Warthog HOTAS - NO TWIST on the stick, but other than that I know very little about it.
  
  The Thrustmaster software is relatively good, not as flexible as the CH, but more reliable that the Saitek stuff.
  
  VKB - Russian? company which makes replica/sim gear not exactly aimed at space flight
  
  
• Cobra M5 - Old very popular model, still available in the UK/EU. Very light stick movement, plenty of buttons, nice mode selector on the stick itself. No macro software in the more recent revisions with cheaper electronics. Some models exhibit jitter and issues with TWIST axis recentering.
  
• Gladiator - Has TWIST. Good plastic gimbal, interesting "no wobble" free recentering and intentional soft middle feeling. NOT available in the EU/UK due to licensing restrictions, Speedlink AIRROW and Ravcode Javelin are based on it but have slightly worse precision/software/and some internals IIRC.
  
• Gladiator Pro NO TWIST. Full metal gimbal, high precision, plans for future grips to swap in and out. Available in the EU/UK.
  
  No doubt I have forgotten some..

I bought PEIN mounts on Amazon, kind of expensive, but great quality. They also come with the adapter plates and rails for a bunch of bases, including WarBrd. I think that they are out of stock right now (there were 6 and I bought 2), but they will probably restock any day now.

There are other options, but these were nice and easy to grab with Amazon 2 day shipping.

J-Pein The Steel Desk Mount for The Flight sim Game Joystick, Throttle and hotas Systems. Fully Support Almost All of Flight sim Game Hand-Control Devices. (not Include Game-Device) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KJCC4Q7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_smU1CbG448BBW

You can contact the company directly through the HOTAS discord very easily if you waiting ask about restock.

The CH Pedals also slide along with toe press, it's actually pretty neat. I didn't know about it until I further inspected the pedals. There's a mod out there to make them a little more comfortable that I might also pick up. It makes it seem a lot more comfortable to use for longer periods. You can find it here: Ezemod

Hope that helps!

I too recommend the T-rudders. They are an excellent value for the price, and I find them to be the most comfortable of the rudder pedals I've tried. The up/down motion of travel is easy and accurate while keeping your heels on the floor so you're not sliding back in your chair. They do not have toe brakes, but there are options to emulate this in software using these pedals combined with a button or axis on a stick. I think the comfort outweighs this missing feature.

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There are other places that sell them beyond the VKB site, here are two such examples:

https://store.x-plane.org/VKB-T-Rudder-Pedals-MkIV_p_571.html

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01G6GT4A8/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

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I can also recommend little cups for the castors on your wheels. Back when I was still using Saitek Pedals, I grabbed some table leg cups from Home Depot myself. I believe these are what I used:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Shepherd-3-in-Off-White-Smooth-Rubber-Furniture-Cups-2-per-Pack-89168/100162556

These locked my chair in place nicely on my wood floor

It's still about $100US according to the current exchange rate, but I've had success with Amazon.de (German). You can set the site language to English easily enough, and if they ship down here to Australia it's pretty good odds they'll ship to America. Listed here.

I use the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and also got a second Warthog Stick for a dual stick setup.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/a9168831?cid=309562&st=&gclid=CLWYqP6dk9QCFR1LDQodiiAAFw&lid=5848362&VEN1=s7nLQ1cQ4,183457792450,901pdb6671,m,,A9168831&VEN2=,&dgc=ST&DGSeg=DHS&acd=1230980731501410&VEN3=812403894302130950

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBVHJ00/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_IJXkzbZ5X9RT3

I also use the VKB Rudder Pedals.

http://store-x-plane-org.3dcartstores.com/VKB-T-Rudder-Pedals-MkIV_p_571.html

As for matching sticks, I am waiting to get the VIRPIL grips since they fit on the Warthog bases.

https://virpil.com/en/filtered/gpips/


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Alternatively, you can go with two VKB Gunfighter bases and wait for VKB SIM to release their newer right handed and left handed grips (which you can purchase later).

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-base-only

Or perhaps two VKB Gladiator Pros for now and update both grips or just the left grip later when they eventually release:

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-gladiator

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Another way to go about it is getting two T16000 sticks (for a dual stick setup):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8UXkzbM4P2BW7

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Or just go with the T16000 HOTAS (with or without pedals):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_PVXkzbAW6TM7K

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yWXkzb0KK7FTK

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Now although there are other options, like the Saitek products (X52, X55/X56) and CH products, those just aren't my cup of tea and too many problems plague the Saitek products that they don't seem to be worth investing in. I returned mine and got the Warthog setup and it's so much better. Night and day difference.

I hope I have listed enough choices at different price points to help you make a more informed decision.

And YES, DUAL STICKS are the best :D

Hi, I'm only an occasional lurker on this sub but I can help a little here. I was searching for info and stumbled on an Italian store listing three variations, HOTAS, stick only and a 'Flight Pack.'

You may take it with a grain of salt since some store speculatively list to draw early pre-orders, but Amazon in Germany have the same products up:

HOTAS

Flight Stick

Flight Pack

I assume the Flight pack includes the pedals?

I think Thrustmaster's own website shows the throttle separately as well, and surely they'd be crazy not to sell the items individually. I'm sure it will be possible to do stick only.

Thrustmaster TWCS is cheap and good value, has a button layout that works decently for the F/A-18.


Thrustmaster Warthog is also available separately, and obviously works great for the A-10C, and also more than decently for other aircraft or space sims. I particularly like that it has latching toggle switches.

Otherwise it is Virpil or waiting for the unreleased VKB TECS.

I use dual T.16000m's for my setup and have been heavily considering getting some pedals to complete it. I cannot afford anything crazy like MFG Crosswinds. I'd like to spend a max of $100 on pedals, if possible.

Would a Thrustmaster T3PA be a good option for the game and would it function well enough in a Space Sim environment?

Or should I wait and see if the CH Pro Pedals come down in price a little bit more?

I would go with the T.16000M (but why is it so expensive?). The new T.16000M with orange lights costs only 50€ in Europe and 59$ in the US link.

But if you can spend more (and i mean a lot more) i would go for a VKB Gladiator Pro or the better Gunfighter plus pedals. I just ordered a pair of gunfighters with rudder predals for 900€ (plus another 500€ for better grips and twist adapters after they come out next year).

Imho is for space sims a dual stick setup the best option because you need 6 axes (one for each of the 6DOF). Right now i use 2 T.16000M til my new sticks arrive. And for warthunder you only need one stick without throttle since the T.16000M has a throttle slider.

So I emailed thrustmaster and this is what they sent me:

>We thank you for your interest in Thrustmaster products and for reaching us regarding your inquiry.
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>The initial versions of this new product will be as following:
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>- the FCS throttle available as a standalone device;
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>- the throttle and the joystick unit, as a package;
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>- T.16000 Flight Package (the FCS joystick and throttle units accompanied by the TFRP Rudders Pedals pedal set).
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>We are also taking into consideration the commercialization of the T.16000 FCS joystick as a standalone device but at this moment we cannot provide you with an ETA on when this will become available.
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>We rest at your disposal for any other inquiries.

That being said it looks like it for preorder outside of the states and bhphotovideo.com also has one.

EDIT: welp they are available in the sates for preorder now amazon link I don't understand why they would send an email saying they don't know if they will be selling it on its own when they were going to allow stores to announce that they are the very next day.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PZDB2HM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00

Those are the ones I got, The mount around the arm-supports of my chair, and I use one of the hinges to make the bracket parallel to the floor. (Those hinges are what I loosen to spin the stick and falcon out of the way when not in use)

They also have some with more hinges/gimbals if you need to get more rotation/length out of the mount.

EDIT: I should say, it took a bit of drilling to put screw-holes in the right places on the X-65f mount-plate. And the Falcon is attached a bit more... sketchy. It's a heavy bastard and took a bit of futzing to work, but that's also the reason I still have that big wide "foot" still on it too, best mounting support without damaging the Falcon's body.

Seems like its been pulled from preorder on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Flight-Controller-SCB432210002-01/dp/B01CZTSS3O?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

Dont know why, but if they pulled it from preorder. Its 1 of two options, either they cant meet the amounts of preorders. Or (Lets just hope its this one) They pulled the product for quality reasons. If they make a MK.2 mod of the x-56 with better quality then im probably back on the hype train. But until that happens im not buying a Saitek product with this poor quality.

I use my TWCS with a Warthog and T.Flight Rudder pedals. It's a fabulous combo, and works great.

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-HOTAS-Warthog-Flight-Stick/dp/B00CBVHJ00/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=warthog+joystick&link_code=qs&qid=1561977857&s=gateway&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-1

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$201 out the door for the stick...

I just purchased the Pein mounts a couple of weeks ago for my TM Warthog HOTAS and they're great and not too expensive.

Also, they easily unclamp for when your husband needs to go into work mode.

https://www.amazon.com/Mount-Joystick-Throttle-Hand-Control-Game-Device/dp/B07KJCC4Q7

Please note that you will need two of these mounts; one each for throttle and stick.

>Why am I having trouble finding a place to buy it???

Amazon.de (direct link to product) will ship it to the USA with free shipping and ignore the initial price because they will deduct VAT from the price once you input your shipping address...cost me ~$105. If you decide you don't like it you will have to sell it locally though because the return shipping is exactly as expensive as you would expect for sending a heavy package overseas and the ~$9 of it that Amazon would cover is nowhere near enough to make the return worthwhile.

Personally, I am still on the fence about it because the ergonomics are not great for my average-to-smallish hands...but I am going to pair it with the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle when that gets released and give the Cobra Defender M5 another chance after modding the grip. Also, the upgraded electronics that has been mentioned by others in this thread? I have looked all over and can only find "out of stock" listings for the Controller Njoy32 Light circuit board and the digital MaRS sensor replacement for the analog potentiometer in the Z-axis on the available Rev.B Defender M5. The X-axis and Y-axis do still use high resolution contactless MaRS sensors FYI. If you find any stock of either of those, please pass on the information!

yes, it is normal, you could use grease to reduce friction see this.
In my opinion, the best grease is Nyogel 767A
Another option is to replace, remove or mod the spring.
personally, I like much more the tension on the warthog than the chewing gum feeling of other joysticks.

Get'em while they're hot ...

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-X52-Flight-Controller/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

https://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-System-Controller/dp/B000LQ4HTS

Edit: Opps ... didn't fully read your post ... mobile phone :P

Re the PS2 cable: I don't know if the cable is the same as a PS2 standard cable, I recall giving away my old X52 to a mate and giving him a standard PS2 cable but he said it was a different pin-out, so buying spares from an electronic store / PC store may be an option if you modify the wiring and use the original connectors. You could also look at making a base plate for both the Stick and Throttle with guides to secure the ends of the cable. There's lots of options you can explore.

None of those worth your money, they are outdated devices with old components and lots of issues (search on Reddit about it).

Best and cheapest combo on the market at this point:

1. VKB Gladiator MKII - $84 ( https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator );
   
2. TWCS throttle - $79 ( https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960754-Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=twcs&qid=1571860005&sr=8-1 )
   
   Total: $163.
   
   Additionally you could upgrade your setup by getting a Kosmosima grip and an adapter for $100 ( https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gladiator-upgrade-kit-lite-w-mcg-bundle-2 ) like here: https://youtu.be/x_LXh5LTJL4

When it's in stock this is a good option and only $10 over your budget.Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, $129.99 USD https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ol/B01KCHPRXA/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=new
I personally bought a CH Combatstick used since they are indestructible and I love how well they feel and how many buttons they have

Well, I skimmed through your videos, and thank you for your input, however, the work you are talking about it beyond my skill level. I found a T160000M direct from Amazon for $60 new, so I ordered one. If I like it, I will probably order a second one. If I decide I would prefer to use a throttle, I still have the throttle from my X-55.

Now I just need to figure out what to do with these old sticks....

Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_g1mZDb272WG95


https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator

There are better sticks and throttle but this was what I saw being recommended for starting out. I also highly recommend trying VR for elite. I got to borrow an odyssey plus headset over the weekend and it was a whole new experience. I’ll probably be looking into a headset over Black Friday.

Yes you can use the CH throttle with 3D pro to make it a hotas. The difference between the fighter stick and the combat stick are; The Fighter stick replaces two of the buttons on the Combat stick with 4 way hats.

Combat Stick = 3 axis and 18 buttons (six push buttons, one 4 way hat switch, and one 8 way point of view hat)

Fighter Stick= 3 axis and 24 buttons (three push buttons, one mode switch button, three 4 way hat switches and one 8 way point of view hat).

Ch Pro Throttle = 3 Traditional push buttons, 1 mode switch button, 3 4-way directional hat and 1 8-way POV hat switch

Depending on what you're playing you may not need all the hats on the Fighter Stick if you get the pro throttle. If you're not looking to spend a lot and are happy wth 3-d the Pro throttle seems to be a nice addition.

Later on, down the road, if you want to upgrade you could get pedals and by the warthog stick separately. Or just buy a new hotas and sell the CH throttle on ebay.

if you're doing flight sims and like your stick I would get the CH throttle and either make your own or purchase a head tracker, (track IR). For flight sims, it's more essential than rudder pedals

Save another 29$ and get THIS. Avoid T.Flight Hotas X - it's complete trash, You might as well order cheap Chinese no name hotas and get better bang for your buck. As for Xbox compatibility - forget about it. Microsoft allows only licensed peripherals and there isn't any worth a broken penny (just like vast majority driving wheels outside for ridiculously overpriced "high" end are hot garbage). What do you intend to play on it anyway? I can't recall single console game benefiting from joystick...

I respect how you guys interact with the community and even approach others if they have problems. But I'm sorry, I have to disagree that product quality has been sufficiently been patched up now.

It's an average of 3 stars across from multiple review sites.

• Amazon.com, 3 stars, 85 reviews
  
• Amazon.com, 3 stars, 3 reviews(RGB version this time)
  
• Amazon uk, 3.5 stars, 93 reviews
  
• Amazon Germany, 3 stars, 25 reviews
  
• Newegg, 2 stars, 10 reviews
  
• Though Amazon Canada is at 4 stars with 90 reviews
  
  I'm not doing this to prove a point. But I would recommend that Logitech approaches these reviewers to help the situation and help your company's reputation.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01H6KXGDY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_nLrgAbXN8GD6N


Click other buying options and look at the used ones under Amazon warehouse deals. There's a like new condition stick for £83 but they'll apply a further 20% off at checkout making it £66, same for the others.
If the link gets removed it's just on Amazon.co.uk :)

I had a question about that. It says 2 to 5 weeks, not preorder.. is it the same as a preorder? They have just the throttle on there currently but it says "preorder price guarantee" and lists a release date...

Why doesn't the combined unit say that as well?

Not sure to order it yet or wait till it's an official ship on _____ Amazon preorder.

Here's the throttle:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_uAj0xbMEMXTSF

http://www.amazon.com/Bracket-Pole-Mount-VESA75-100/dp/B00PZDB2HM

in the same situation pretty much. Ordered a vive, gettin things ready for next month. I'm gonna grab two of these to just mount onto the arms of my chair. I'm unsure at the moment what setup im going with though. was thinking about the x52 pro. After reading around though i kind of want to go for the t-16000m.

Does anyone know if a x52 pro throttle works fine with the t-16000m? If thats the case i think thats how im gonna do it. Can pickup the x52 throttle on ebay for around 50$ it looks like. So could get the setup for under 100$

I would go VKB Gladiator MKII because it use contactless sensor on all 3 stick axes. So.. More accurate and most importantly maybe more durable! And for the throttle I would take the Thrustmaster TWCS (You'll probably want to re-grease it frequently, it is easy to do on this throttle, but annoying..). Sadly there aren't other standalone throttle that could fit your budget and not feel like a downgrade compared to the X55, to my knowledge.

The 3D rudder might offer you some possibilities, some accessibility back :finger crossed:


4 axes, so the hope is that one (or at least one) might be ok for you?

Actually at that price, the Gladiator is a much better value at ~$99.
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Thrustmaster FCS is exactly this... and outperforms many HOTAS that cost more.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ThrustMaster-3935075-Thrustmaster-T16000M-Hotas/dp/B01H6KXGDY ...of course in UK it costs more than anywhere else (Brexit?), but it's still pretty close to your range. Outside UK it's $120 USD...

At the $150 price point, the thrust master FCS is your best bet. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I use the thumb POV hat on my CH fighterstick for yaw. The shape of it is particularly excellent for yaw, as it requires a deliberate rocker-type motion to use the forward and back parts of that POV hat: http://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-200-571-Fighterstick-USB/dp/B00006B84X

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1486676441&sr=8-3&keywords=t16000m

Very happy with these in my setup.

T16K HOTAS is a great starting point for E:D. There's a package with the TFRP rudder pedals as well but you don't lose any functionality in E:D without them. The twist rudder becomes second nature.

I'd be willing ,I play many flight sims, ordering an X52 today currently have this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001CXYMFS?pc_redir=1406791486&robot_redir=1) , also I mainly fly whole using track ir.

Games I play;

Warthunder
FSX
IL-2 Cliffs of Dover
Kerbal Space program
Every Arma game.

These are the pedals I use. They've been great! And they have toe brakes which are hit or miss with high end pedals.

It's from this desk mount:




J-PEIN (Upgraded): the desk mount for the flight sim game joystick, throttle and hotas systems. Fully support almost all of flight sim game hand-control devices. (not include game-device) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KJCC4Q7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_7KcCDbT1SWRSN

If you can afford to save a little extra money for it, I'd also recommend this Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ujvDDbF4K96Z6. It's $130 And it's what's I'm currently using. It has enough buttons to use completely alone in elite dangerous. It's personally what I would recommend to you but if you're committed to spending less than 100 the hotas x is it.

I agree that if this is a first foray into HOTAS, get the T. Flight HOTAS X

If it isn't a first foray then it depends on how much you want to spend, CH products are great, but most dot like their looks and every piece of kit has some disadvantages so you need to know a bit about what you are looking for.

Okay, sure.

Duo Set - https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-SPACE-SIM-DUO-STICK/dp/B076XKZML8

Single Stick- https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=V057ET75WNB4K45T8ZXJ

TWCS Throttle

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01L28LVUG/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all&qid=1564155694&sr=8-1

and

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1331331-REG/thrustmaster_2960754_twcs_throttle.html?ap=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyerpBRD9ARIsAH-ITn9eqGFi5GpzIMO_P1oAZYXZL88mIqkISVS9c5_jZUyE97DBwrfdxGYaAtcTEALw_wcB

Looks to be going through a restock phase so you can either grab it from an alternate vendor on Amazon or wait for the restock

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Stick

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator

I have never used the Gladiator but have broken a t16k. Everything I have heard about the gladiator is it is infinitely better.

I am currently running a VKB Space Gladiator on a Gunfighter base. But that is a bit of change more. I am using the TWCS throttle and it suits my needs just fine for now.

Was possibly thinking about this. Tomorrow I'd just run to a local Bestbuy to pick that up. And I still need to buy elite dangerous lmao. I just want to start playing more flight Sims.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PC/dp/B001CXYMFS

$230 for Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick is good price, cost $260 in Amazon.com:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-HOTAS-Warthog-Flight-Stick/dp/B00CBVHJ00

Would something like this work?

https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Signal-Bracket-Mount-VESA75/dp/B00PZDB2HM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1541530906&sr=8-3&keywords=pole+vesa+mount

Why not go with the Thrustmaster FCS? It has plenty of hats and stuff on the throttle, and it's like $130 USD.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MQEDEEW/

Back in stock with price increase?

> Price: $72.62 & FREE Shipping

> Only 18 left in stock.

> Sold by Beach Audio

What the fuck thrustmaster...

If you want the stick and throttle, but you do not want to spend a lot of money you can try the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X

You can also just buy the joystick you linked and use the keyboard as a throttle. This should be fine, I have done this for a while.

As for using the joystick alone: I don't think this is a good idea, since you probably don't have enough buttons there.

Since always are fools for pay any price, nothing "wrong" with this IsaacTronics price - specially for a discontinued product. :)

The only joystick that Logitech continue "manufacturing" (by 3rd party OEM) - besides re-pack Saitek's - is this:

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-963290-0403-Extreme-Joystick-Windows/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=76KZD87J1SW6E8X1WC3R

Definitely look at a VKB Gladiator.

https://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-Joystick-Flight-Simulator-Controller-Stick/dp/B01G6GT49O

This mount will accept a T16000:

https://www.amazon.com/Mount-Joystick-Throttle-Hand-Control-Game-Device/dp/B07KJCC4Q7

I just bought one from newegg as well, and they (as of posting) still have some in stock. Amazon sold out in 1 day

Amazon is ALMOST a Canadian supplier:
https://www.amazon.com/Lubricant-Grease-Nyogel-50g-Tube/dp/B00W6KWK1Y
This is enough for three or four lifetimes...
Only thing magic about it is the dampening effect. If you don't care about smooth drag, like a throttle, there are cheaper solutions.

Thrustmaster just released something recently

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_BcTuybGKBFY0C

Perhaps will be ok for you?

If you want a more authentic GA flight experience then consider getting a yoke instead of a HOTAS. That way you can control prop and mixture which are an important part of GA flight. The CH Eclipse includes paddles for controlling yaw in lieu of pedals.

https://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Eclipse-Yoke-Programmable/dp/B001GIOGBY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1524072947&sr=8-2&keywords=ch+yoke

Just dropped to 139.99! http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-System-Controller/dp/B000LQ4HTS
Edit: Amazon refunded the price difference for when I ordered it a few days ago :D

standalone throttle still listed for Oct 1 release

update: newegg updated their standalone TWCS date to Nov, so there's a chance that the Amazon listing is outdated.

They're 59.99 on Amazon.

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_TTJsDbV6M9SFR


Theres a Kit that gives you the stick and throttle, that's $129.99.

I’ve been using the J-pein mount I found on amazon.

Jpein mount

CH makes joysticks and yokes.

https://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Flight-Yoke-200-615/dp/B000056SPM

https://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Eclipse-Yoke-Programmable/dp/B001GIOGBY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1506116244&sr=1-1&keywords=ch+eclipse

The Eclipse is newer.

https://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Throttle-Quadrant-300-133/dp/B0002A59Z4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1506116050&sr=1-1&keywords=ch+quadrant

CH Fighterstick

VKB Gladiator Mk. II

Logitech 3D Pro Joystick

Tried to find joysticks priced as close to the T.16000m as possible, but it is really a knockout in its price range.

Actually if you plan on flying bigger ships this is what you'll want to get:

http://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Flight-Yoke-200-615/dp/B000056SPM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420044124&sr=8-1&keywords=ch+flight+yoke

This isn't true?

You can buy the standalone throttle (or the standalone stick) from loads of places.

Direct from Thrustmaster:

http://shop.thrustmaster.com/en_gb/pc/joysticks/hotas-warthogtm-dual-throttle.html

Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog-Throttles-Control-Pc/dp/B00T5X3Z2S

These: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000512IE/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687582&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004ING996&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=T53KVRXRDCXB4157H2DQ

But you will smash your balls as you use them because they're so narrow.

Take a look at the ultra durable CH products, the Fighterstick and the Throttle. Multiple outfits sell it, and the price varies (generally $120 for each)

Bracket Pole Mount VESA75/100 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PZDB2HM/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_n8UNwbJKV830W

Amazon lists it at $269.99

https://www.amazon.com/Lubricant-Grease-Nyogel-50g-Tube/dp/B00W6KWK1Y seems in stock but I've used https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80345-White-Lithium-Grease/dp/B000HBNV58/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_263_bs_lp_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=9JBBKWHAVF09F98QKWYP in a pinch without issue

Didnt know this one, Thanks!

https://www.amazon.com/Lubricant-Grease-Nyogel-50g-Tube/dp/B00W6KWK1Y

So, when is the release date for X56 ??
30 May ?

Amazon.de its says, it's available from 30.05.2016
https://www.amazon.de/Saitek-X-56-Rhino-T-System/dp/B01CZTSS3O?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

T-Rudder Mk.IV Flight Simulator Pedals - PC Mac Linux https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G6GT4A8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_a52SBbJF1VS7D

I had ordered one on Amazon.ca on Sunday afternoon and it was delivered to me this morning. It also says that there is currently some in stock.

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484687252&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000m

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

IN STOCK 137 USD just placed my order!

This just popped up in the last day. claims to launch today. Got my preorder in. Btw, that was October 2nd, originally, and those listings are on Newegg.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I think your only option is a T16000m FCS throttle.

Amazon has it if you're in the US.

Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qqZoDb4SATCJ3

Gladiator mk2 can be trickier to get based on supply.

Which is actually an average price on Amazon:

http://camelcamelcamel.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-System-Controller/product/B000LQ4HTS?context=browse

Could you please learn to lmgtfy.com and stop flooding this subreddit with easily researched questions? Your enthusiasm is great, but spam is spam.

Amazon has the stand alone stick for $249.99.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CBVHJ00/ref=s9_acsd_simh_hd_bw_bRCwGx_c_x_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-2&pf_rd_r=ZMW72T2G3CMES40N60QA&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=0baa781b-8e12-544e-a79e-db966c8b4415&pf_rd_i=402045011&th=1

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And the HOTAS for $365.36

https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960720-Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog/dp/B00371R8P4/ref=lp_402050011_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1570841422&sr=1-3&th=1

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At those prices I couldn't recommend not saving up a bit and getting the upgrade.

i started on one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-3D-Pro-Joystick-Windows-x/dp/B00009OY9U

that thing took a beating.

i had 2 separate t16000m's trigger break within 2 months. ended up getting it refunded. I now run the VKB gladiator.

As a canadian, you have no idea how sad I am right now.

Best we can do is: https://www.amazon.ca/Defender-Joystick-Cobra-Sensor-Buttons/dp/B00IJ72TMI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473426782&sr=8-1&keywords=Defender+Joystick

:(