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If it were me (and that is all I can comment on as I don't dispense any advice) I would most likely use lope.

I'd start the night before going CT with 5 pills (2mg each) it takes a bit to get into the system and this jump starts it.

Then I'd go 5 pills (twice per day) on day one. And then 4 pills (twice per day on day two). And go down a pill per dose per day accordingly.

I would not use it more than 5 days. There is no need. Most people with shortish habits wake up on day 5 feeling MUCH better. But even a person with a longer habit really need not use it longer than 5 days.

The other supplements I'd recommend are a GOOD multi with minerals (like the senior ones) and maybe even supplemental vitamin C with rose hips (the rose helps absorption) or maybe this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Bronson-Vitamin-Premium-Non-GMO-Ascorbic/dp/B0006ZNFT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478780712&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=vitamin%2BC&th=1

Then to top it all off I'd use a few adaptogenic herbs to help repair the HPA axis. Ashawagandha at night and rhodiola in the morning. The other good morning supplement is L-tyrosine……and of course eat super clean too.

You may have a really sketchy appetite for awhile. Make sure to get nutrition anyway. Easy foods loaded with nutrients are best. Such as scrambled eggs, orange juice and other fruit juice, greek yogurt, bananas, peanut butter, whole wheat bread or pasta.

The key is it has to sound appealing or you won't eat it. Clearly there may be "cleaner foods" out there, but appetites are funny at first, so go with what you WILL eat.

Drink lots of water. Make yourself MOVE even though you don't want to. Do not allow yourself toy sit at home staring at the computer screen (you will be tempted to because kratom seems to affect people like this).

Get outside and WALK or ride your bike…..try and create a new schedule for yourself. Think about the things that caused your addiction. Were you attempting to avoid something? figure out how to address it.

If you need help sleeping then use valerian, melatonin or passionflower (or even a mix of these). The passionflower is good for any anxiety. Kava is also good for anxiety. Just use these WHEN NEEDED and especially don't abuse the kava. I live in a legal state and used MJ with very good effects.

Don't go ballistic with yourself though. Be gentle and loving. Do not berate yourself for getting to this point…….we all get lost on occasion and this doesn't make us bad people. Indeed we are GOOD people.

And we can turn anything around for the better……no matter how hopeless we feel, that is a complete mirage. Don't fall for it.

Come here often. Report your progress in the daily updates thread…..make friends with a few people. Most of us were "closet users" and having company on this journey can really be helpful.

Drug addiction is often fueled by feeling alone in this world…. maybe think a little about that (if it fits anyway). We deserve to be happy and to be thriving……life is to be lived. And not in a comatose kratomized way……finally :

YOU ARE MUCH STRONGER THAN YOU KNOW……GOOD LUCK !

Awww Thanks struggle & newgirl, very nice compliments. I personally read up on the vitamin C idea, too---then did tons of research and found this excellent very bioavailable one on Amazon. And the best price I found, too.Worth a look !

I will NEVER forget how cold and alone and lost I felt when I realized how deep I'd gotten in this crap (my mind was a mess, too). So reading the posts here helped me to feel "not as alone" and that made the difference…….I believe in the old paying it forward idea.

We are all the same when we get here. We need a helping hand or encouraging comment to spark our OWN power…..then we can do damn near anything !

Keep going my friend, glad to hear things are still improving :-)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006ZNFU6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

> I've ordered a scale ($20) because I've realized how important it is to know your exact GPD. You cannot get that by using spoons. Just knowing your intake is a step forward. From there you can taper

This is THE best advice for getting started. Forget cutting back or your plan. Just start by getting stable at a standard dose for the day (and you have to measure to know what that standard is). Just getting to a point where your intake is stable and not dictated by "well I'm going past the bag, I guess I'll get another scoop" or "I feel like taking another", is a good first step.

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And you don't even have to pay $20 for a scale. This one works perfectly fine for $7!

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Get started today. Keep a written log. You'll feel better getting it out of your head and onto paper, and that paper can help keep you accountable. You won't know how to get where you're going until you know where you are currently.

I've found ashwaghanda to make me very sleepy, but it is good to take in the evening.

I agree that Kava can help immensely, if only to take a dose of something for mental purposes. I did not know they sold it at Walgreens though.

I purchased this from amazon and it was very good stuff. I also have a local place selling 2 pounds for like $40 but got a DUI a few weeks ago and can't drive over there :(

Invest $8 in a digital scale (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0012LOQUQ/). Volumetric dosing is too unreliable and will likely hinder the effectiveness of your taper.

And if you really want to go the extra mile, spend an hour portioning out and dating your doses on a taper schedule. I'm talking little baggies with 10 g, 9.5 g, 9 g, etc., and corresponding dates/times of administration. This method is not for everybody, but some people find the regimented nature of this approach to be very helpful. Good luck!

Rock on. Pull up an audiobook for a gal named lena chodron. Book is called when things fall apart. Shes a buddhist monk... all woo woo Buddhist eastern philosophy aside... wonderful listen or read when things are unbelievably challenging

When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times https://www.amazon.com/dp/1611803438/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6ZB2DbYZ9X8KS

I used a powdered supplement called "CALM" from amazon a few times a day and it really helped for anxiety.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Vitality-Calm-Raspberry-Lemon/dp/B00BPUY3W0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454279751&sr=8-1&keywords=calm


Also, some sleep supplements will definitely help you get SOME sleep. This one is pretty cheap, has 3 natural sleeping aids and taking 2-3 WILL help you sleep

http://www.amazon.com/Melatonin-Tablets-L-Theanine-Chamomile-Valerian/dp/B014X22IUA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1454279810&sr=8-2&keywords=schiff+melatonin

A pocket scale has been very beneficial for me, during my taper. You would not believe the variance in your dosages when "eyeballing" them. It's such a fine powder that the density of any particular dose could swing wildly by 20% either way, in my experience.

Amazon has a $9 digital scale that works well.

American Weigh Scales AWS-600-BLK Digital Personal Nutrition Scale, Pocket Size, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000O37TDO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_iHFPCb5F8VSN4

Best wishes!

This is what I take....seems to have a lot of the things mentioned here as helpful. I'm past wd symptoms (I think) so YMMV but i've been very happy with it for the past week.
https://www.amazon.com/Melatonin-Tablets-L-Theanine-Chamomile-Valerian/dp/B014X22IUA

https://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-GABA-Orange-Tablets/dp/B000GFSV5A?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

vitaminne shoppe also carries it if you have one locally.

True calm has alot more mg and valerian which i am not a fan of (also can be addictive). The main reason I like Gaba calm is it is a lozenge vs a pill so acts quickly with minimal does. In fact i usually take half a lozenge when needed unless trying to sleep.

This is the book: Mindfulness: An Eight-Week Plan for Finding Peace in a Frantic World https://www.amazon.com/dp/1609618955/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_lr3nDb8JVZ1KD

So far so good, I don’t remember where I got the recommendation but it is well written, practical, and easy to implement

Not all green tea is created equal, I'd recommend sencha for a much higher dose of theanine (which gives you the relaxing buzz), also a much smoother taste. Also make sure not to over-steep your green tea as it makes it taste more bitter.

Here's the sencha i use: https://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Bulk-Sencha-16-Ounce/dp/B000SAPX8G/ref=sr_1_5_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1542312854&sr=8-5&keywords=sencha+tea&dpID=41DZ3w-DabL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

L-Theanine is pretty decent for anxiety. (https://www.amazon.com/L-Theanine-Servings-Nootropic-Supplement-Anxiety/dp/B00H46X2LC), So is Ashwagandha (https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Answer-Alcohol-Free-Ashwagandha-2-Fluid/dp/B0001VUTZY/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1491951403&sr=8-3&keywords=ashwagandha+extract). Probiotic foods from Greek Yogurt to Kimchi are also a life saver. 90% of your body's serotonin actually exists in the gut, not the brain. If you've been on kratom for a while, chances are you don't have much good bacteria their left, so you're lacking that serotonin. Anyway, I used to think people were full of crap when they talked about natural methods of dealing with addiction (other than exercise)...but there are definitely some out there that really work.

Himalaya Organic Ashwagandha 60 Caplets for Anti-Stress and Energy 670mg https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002BBATC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_eOsGyb7ZX1GPZ

I got this from my local natural food store. They had it on sale for 12.99.

Take high absorption magnesium. It will help with a lot of withdrawal symptoms.

I believe this is the most commonly recommended scale - I bought it and it's under $10.00 - very reliable and accurate for me in the past.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012LOQUQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Gotta try squeezing fresh root, that other stuff is junk, I did the same thing, kava is LEGIT.

http://gourmethawaiiankava.com

Or even...

https://www.amazon.com/Wakacon-KAVA-Fijian-WAKA-powder/dp/B00A80163M/ref=sr_1_4_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1537101733&sr=1-4&keywords=kava

You should also check out Unbroken Brain: A Revolutionary New Way of Understanding Addiction

It puts forth the theory of addiction as a learning disorder. Very interesting take on the matter.

Sorry, got the title wrong in my memory. It’s Biology of Desire I really enjoyed the anatomical descriptions of how addiction works in the brain.

In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction
by Gabor Mate

http://www.amazon.com/Realm-Hungry-Ghosts-Encounters-Addiction/dp/155643880X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1450283533&sr=1-1&keywords=in+the+realm+of+hungry+ghosts

You'll need to grab a scale to follow along; the doses drop in such small increments (.2 grams), it'll be impossible to eyeball. Here's a scale on Amazon for under $8.00 (can't beat the price!):

https://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-Scales-AWS-600-BLK-Nutrition/dp/B000O37TDO/ref=lp_289787_1_9/146-5005162-3175224?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1493976786&sr=1-9

If I had to estimate though, I'd say 15 grams is approx. 2 tablespoons.

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fix-Hope-After-Heroin/dp/1580056032

I see no proceeds from the sale of this book .. this is just recommended reading.

It's good shit mah dudes

Im a female Kratom quitter and my hair loss is actually one of the very big reasons I quit. I really struggled with getting my hair back to normal!

I actually wrote an ebook on my personal experience with Kratom including hair loss as part of my recovery. Every time I felt like some Kratom, I’d grab my laptop and write a bit more.

Recovery has been a very rough road for me :( I have struggled on a physical and emotional level.

If you wanna check out the ebook or paperback book, it’s on Amazon and here is the link: My Kratom Hell

I really hope you all stay strong. Kratom nearly ruined my body and my mind set and my relationship. I’m so proud of everyone trying to quit!