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That's called design process. General Skywalker and Luke Starkiller were separate entities at one point too. Lucas is revising his vision and making it more coherent as he creates his movies. To say he's a revisionist, you have to provide a concrete example of him saying that "A" means "B" in one context then in a second context "A" now means "5." Just changing "A" to now mean "BC," because maybe "B" wasn't clear enough isn't revisionist, it's clarifying for the sake of keeping a consistent message or universe or what-have you.

This is also one of the largest problems i have with people and arguments. There must be logic. Lucas spent decades creating Star Wars. His love of Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces was well-known amongst his click of friends in film school. His desire to create movies that evoked the B-budget serials he grew up on, also well known. His interest in his Methodist Jesus-brings-redemption upbringing and the codes of the Samurai and Eastern philosophy generally (and more specifically the concept of Dao, "balance," central to Daoism and Buddhism) are also well known. So as he's creating the movies, he gets the opportunity to craft and refine the messages he wishes to convey. The Hero's Journey of the OT is well done, as is the Hero's Fall in the PT. The refinement to the Force (barring the midichlorian detour) and it's workings over six movies is also well done. Even midichlorians is an interesting idea on the surface; it just wasn't as well thought out as Lucas generally tended to be. The preponderance of evidence is not that Lucas went about constantly revising and changing his definitions, its that he was refining what he presented as opportunities presented themselves. The coherent view of the Force we have over 6 movies is not presented in the first movie, because there just isn't the time to do that. Lucas told us just enough to understand the Force so we could understand what Luke is doing in ANH. He then expands on that vision with each new movie, creating deeper understanding as we progress. check out pretty much any book on the philosophy of star wars (there's actually a book called Star Wars and Philosophy) or anything discussing Jedi views and/or morality. There's a pretty universal consensus that Lucas desired to create a specific vision and that the natural writing process created a bunch of branches or forks that were explored but were ultimately rejected by Lucas for not conforming to his vision. one example, at the end of RotJ, Luke puts on the Vader mask to 'complete the circle' and kills himself and the Emperor. This wasn't used because it doesn't complete the circle; Anakin fell and needed to be redeemed. Luke is the Redemptive Hero, his actions show his father the path to redemption, but his father must CHOOSE to walk the path to Redemption himself. This preserves the agency of Anakin in making his own choices, and confirms to the audience that he has been saved when he tells Luke "tell your sister, you were right about me. Tell your sister, you were right...."


What you're thinking of is the basic creative process. As ideas are put out there, you have to see if you can actually achieve them and then make it over technical hurdles that appear. And you have to ensure it efficiently tells the story you want to tell. The Trench Run scene is a good example of this. We know that lucas had TWO runs in the original script. If you read the novelization, you can see why they exist: in the first Luke loses Wedge, Biggs, R2, and misses the port because he uses the computer instead of trusting the Force; in the second, he trusts the Force outflies all of the TIEs and Vader, and gets back into position, and JUST as Vader finally gets a lock Han comes roaring in (Force-sent) and knocks Vader off luke's back just as Luke fires and blows up the Death Star. Makes perfect sense as you write it on a page. But that tense feeling on the page just didn't translate to the screen. Marcia Lucas tried to convince George it didn't but he really wanted two runs. The apocryphal story is that she cut it to one run, jammed all of it into the single run (the losses, Luke turns off the computer, trusts the Force, etc.) and the crew went nuts when she showed it to them. Upon seeing it George acknowledged that it better conveyed the idea of Luke trusting in the Force while building the necessary tension in the scene. But that is because he efficiently conveyed to his cast and crew WHAT HE WANTED AND EXPECTED OUT OF EVERY SCENE. So his crew knew that something didn't work quite right and they could give good feedback and improve the story. This single change makes for a drastically better movie, while still maintaining the core concept of what George Lucas wanted to say. This is NOT revisionism. It's the creative process at work.

> Like...it would be passable if she was struggling.

I've read Writing Fiction For Dummies for fun, and I know how to structure a story better than this.

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