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u/Carlswaen · 8 pointsr/ukipparty

The exciting thing about the Carswell defection is in 2008 he co-authored a plan where he laid out how the UK could change in the initial 12 months on leaving the EU, previously serialised as The Localist Papers which all contenders for the Conservative leadership signed with the exception of Ken Clarke. Carswell noting that whilst signed they had only been paid lip service whilst in government, a grudge he rumblingly aired on occasion whilst still a Conservative.

At 190 pages short only around a third directly, I'd hazard, relate to the EU. If that. Nevertheless these coincide with many of UKIPs expressed concerns (UKIP members have actually campaigned for Carswell before), and it's something which is difficult for Conservatives to criticise as it initially came outside UKIP and which they signed up to but didn't follow through on.

http://www.red-green.co.uk/web/plan.pdf
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Plan-Twelve-months-Britain/dp/0955979900

Picking up on a few of these points (you can find more in the index of the pdf and under 'Great Repeal Bill'):

  • First off the bat the most ubiquitous change in policy from an economic perspective must lie with energy. Not only would the UK be able to offload many of the green taxes and carbon swaps holding back industry it would have a much easier time in meeting the looming energy deficit. Cheaper generation. More generation. Effects to overheads not just felt by industry but schools, hospitals, council buildings, offices, residential properties. There one additional facet worth considering. Appearing on the BBC's Question Time George Osborne has admitted that the UK cannot currently remove VAT from its energy bills whilst part of the EU which bands VAT rates under competition grounds. Leaving the EU we could remove VAT on energy for all low users and small dwellings, and provide more competitive breaks for companies and start ups.

  • So we're off to a good start. Next we can immediately look at both CAP and CFP. CAP takes up almost half of the EU budget, and whilst UKIP Agriculture spokesman Stuart Agnew (a professional farmer and former farmers union representative) notes that they would still meet single farm holdings subsidy. So our own farmers won't be out of pocket, we'd just be saving on what we pay out elsewhere disproportionately in EU protectionism which doesn't actually serve our purposes. The CFP is a fraction of the EU budget, around 1%, but the UK controls (or should control) 70% of the EUs fishing stocks. UK fishing has been hamstrung by sharing its resources with the mainland continent. The EU's ability to reform the CFP, even though they have recently passed some reforms, remains 'fundamentally flawed'. We could do what New Zealand has done. Control our own waters. Extend permits at a price to limited shipping from elsewhere if and when we see fit, and replenish fishing stocks. This is what we see when we look at similar systems at their Individual Transferable Quotas.

  • In conjunction with scrapping the CAP UKIP has also said that it would scrap the EUs Common External Tariff for all African states, many of which depend on their agrarian sectors to move into being developing countries. Their agriculture is different to ours. We have different produce, climates, levels of mechanisation, and soils. What it would mean, when combined with the aforementioned is that we immediately lower the cost of living further on top of energy developments.

    Still looking good.

  • Third base. We could scrap the EUs landfill tax. Seems an innocuous enough piece of legislation at first glance. Good even. Tax all these ugly, methane guffing eyesores. The thing is it achieves little within a consumerist society. The people who pay our ourselves. They run up huge costs for councils, which increases their overheads, which have to be met, so we either go with less services or higher council taxes. We still dump stuff. We just pay more for the privilege - but there is a hidden cost. For years before last year's floods farmers and those that worked the land had been warning that the watercourse and waterway budgets had been slashed and rivers weren't being dredged. Farmers themselves used to dredge rivers by their own volition. The silt was a natural fertiliser. Even if the run off wouldn't affect their land and they had no social morality compunction, the rivers still got dredged. It was good business. The European landfill tax and dumping laws meant farmers dredging rivers had to dispose of the silt accordingly. They weren't allowed to put it back onto their crops in case, ironically, it ran back into the rivers from which they'd retrieved it. They had to take it to landfill. So instead of farmers doing a civic duty which helped them and stopped businesses in the town down river from being flooded, farmers were expected to pay an additional tax. So rivers didn't get dredged. The government cut the land management funds because they were facing overheads, but there is no saving. Worse still the EU CAP meant farmers were cutting down copses to gain as much subsidy as they could to remain competitve. If there were trees on parts of arable land the EU wouldn't subsidise. Only in rainy, hill climes in which the UK specialises those copses and treelines actually improve the land, prevent top soil run off, and help prevent soil saturation and flooding.

    It's just one example, but it's bureaucracy such as that that is costing the UK an additional 5-10+% of GDP annually. Peter Mandelson himself put it around the 5% figure a decade ago. It's only gone up. Last year UKIPs professor Steve Crowther revised it to now above 10%, and predicted that on leaving the EU the UK could start what would be a 10 year process in reviewing and repealing these bureaucratic wastes.

  • Four. Start making things a little more concise. European Arrest Warrant. Again, sounds a nice idea in principle. Assumes all legal, judicial and police authorities and investigations are equal. They are not. People have been taken out of the country without any evidence being provided to them and kept in prison cells for months, threatening years, before going to trial. Many cases have been thrown out after months languishing. Scrap the EAW and return to extradition treaty where evidence has to be provided in the UK, and weighed, before authorities are obliged to hand any one over. The government should stand up for its people, and so should the judiciary.

  • Five. Shorter still. Look at the IEAs Brexit winners and runners up. They all express a priority for the UK to be able to forge its own free trade deals tailored to the UK's somewhat unique economy, and to capitalise on its very unique cultural ties. Anglosphere aside South Korea crops up a lot, but even if they wanted to deal with the UK it becomes labyrinthian to negotiate with another 27 countries at the table all wanting something different. It's not even a UK delegation that negotiates anymore but EU that is obliged to find a one size fits all. One size does not fit all.

    Come out of the EU and we can negotiate our own trade deals. Digby Jones, Gordon Brown's Minister of State for Trade and Investment has even brushed aside the EU question of whether we'd be able to trade with the EU, in saying that we would have a trade deal with EU states in 24 hours of coming out. We already have a negotiation position as signatories of EFTA outside the EU, have been offered AA status by federalists in Europe, would have both Lisbon and WTO assurances.

    We can trade with Europe and the World.

    And yes, controlling immigration would mean being able to plan our services and local infrastructure, and allow us to forward plan instead of constantly being in a state of triage.
u/lordweiner27 · 1 pointr/ukipparty

I'm sick of this shit. Again, and again people are being arrested for posting 'offensive' things online.

http://www.yorkshirestandard.co.uk/news/19-year-old-released-on-bail-after-alleged-koran-burning-video-9133/

This is just the latest. Well, I'm going to make my own video and post it. It's the least I can do to stand up for freedom of speech in my country.

I hope at least a couple of you will join me. I love Muslims by the way and there are plenty of other holy books to burn:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Holy-Bible-Authorized-James-Version/dp/0007103077/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quran-Oxford-Worlds-Classics-ebook/dp/B001ODEPPI/

So burn a holy book. Just take a picture of the book burning and post it online with why you're doing it. You don't have to post your name or other details if you don't want to. Just a pic of the book burning, should take less than ten minutes.

u/strolls · 0 pointsr/ukipparty

> That's the same guy that registered the troll ukip subreddit. The same guy that admits using multiple accounts. …

> So whatever Strolls is doing, and all his many incarnations,

If you can't tell that /u/DemetriMarchessini is a joke then it reflects poorly only on you.

Claiming that I'm doing something underhand by using a novelty account to take the piss out of you only suggests you don't know much about the party you yourself support, or that you're a very poor sport.

u/wilsongjk · 2 pointsr/ukipparty

Yes, we do. Our constitution is well established. British law students spend much of their first year studying it. One of its central principles is that Parliament cannot bind future Parliaments.

Educate yourself: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Constitutional-Administrative-Law-Core-Texts/dp/0198810709

If you believe such piffle as "we don't have a constitution", it's no wonder you can be fooled into believing the EU is a good thing.

Still no response on your earlier dishonesty about Jenkin, I see. Typical remainiac - lie and flee.

u/Paludosa2 · 2 pointsr/ukipparty

Like the idea concerning choosing who we prioritize as a country. It makes more moral sense and indeed more democratic sense - screw codified systems when they fail to serve people and people have to serve them.

Concerning the Army, not an area I'm clued up on these days. Did a couple of years at uni in the OTC (mixing with TA) so have some minor experience a while ago now and so as said personally have not investigated. That said the author did a comprehensive blog during the Iraq war called:

>Defence of the Realm

Which should be listed on the website... actually if notice on the left Dr. North appears to have reseached a book called:

>"Ministry of Defeat"

Concerning the Iraq war. I'm sure he has sufficient knowledge on this subject?