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u/TooManyInLitter · 58 pointsr/DebateAnAtheist

> I am a borderline exmuslim who is doubting.

Op be safe. What is the penalty for leaving Islam (Apostasy)? [Hint - it is not a firm handshake and a goodbye wishing you health and long life].

> Would you believe in Islam if there were no scientific errors in the Quran?

> In Islam there are no scientific errors and all have basically been worked around as misinterpretations.

First, no I still would not believe that Islam represented credible and supportable trueness concerning the existence of the God YHWH/Allah, nor the claims of Allah's interventions/revelations.

Why?

For the same reason you (and I) [probably] do not accept the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His Noodly Appendages just because "The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" is shown to be scientifically accurate; or of the Most Holy of Holy's, The Scared Narratives of Harry Potter, are shown to be completely accurate in the science presented.

Secondly, there are scientific errors within the Qur'an, and even though these errors have been apologized to death, a critical assessment of these apologetics... in accordance with the claimed revelation from Allah in The Heavenly Qur'an:

"Produce your proof, if you should be truthful" (Surat Al-Baqarah 2:111) to me; just as Islam requires that the claims of Judaism and Christianity have to be proved, then the same reasoning requires that the claims of Islam must be proved as well. After all, "Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason" (Surat Al-'Anfāl 8:22).

shows that the errors are actually errors and/or non-credible post-hoc reinterpretation of vague and non-precise ayat/ayah. To wit, an example and commentary:

  • Detailed description of embryology in Quran

    Now here is an actual example of that would be considered scientific
    foreknowledge in the Qur'an, if supportable - a candidate for an actual prophetic
    miracle.

    Al-Mu'minun 23:14 Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and
    We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump,
    bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into
    another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.


    So the bones came before the covering flash. Interesting. And not
    supported by contemporary medical knowledge.

    Without going into the scientific miracle of where the sperm are
    produced (i.e., The Qur'an states sperm is made/stored in the small of
    the back near the kidneys - and not the testicles), as I do not care to
    argue the mental gymnastics required to apologize this "Truth" of the
    Qur'an, the embryonic development of the bone first followed by flesh is
    completely falsified. Again, in order to spare myself the crapfest of
    apologetics to justify this "Prophecy" I will ask the question - Did
    this information concerning embryonic growth already exist prior to the
    claimed revelation via the Book of the Mother, via the messenger Angel
    Gabriel (Jibra'il), via some form of supernatural to natural
    communication to the Prophet Muhammad, via spoken voice to various
    followers of the Prophet, from various followers spoken to scribes
    years/decades after the death of Muhammad?

    Why look at that, Aristotle, in the 4th century BCE described embryonic
    development (Aristotle, De Generatione Animalium, Book II,
    739b20-739b30, as per Jonathan Barnes \(ed.\), The Complete Works of
    Aristotle, \(Princeton, 1985\), Vol 1, p.
    1148.
    ),
    and his treatise also contains the same erroneous idea that the embryo
    developed from a formless mass.

    Damn, when the Prophet plagiarizes already "known" information, he still
    got it wrong by plagiarizing that which was incorrect.

    The post-hoc interpretation of Qur'anic ayat/verses using highly
    selective imaginative interpretations of the meaning of the various
    words to claim support for a scientific miracle represents highly flawed
    apologetics.

    It is interesting that the claim of miracle of the prophecies of
    "scientific miracles" or "scientific foreknowledge" in the Qur'an are
    all post hoc interpretations to their discovery by mere mortal humans.
    It would be more convincing if the scientific knowledge was identifiable
    as usable knowledge prior to human knowledge based development or
    confirmation of this knowledge - rather than a post hoc interpretation
    of a verse/narrative such that this knowledge is only, somehow, found
    after it already becomes known.

    Look at these claimed Qur'an miracles and the date that there were
    recognized and the claims made - the overwhelming majority were made
    after science laid the foundation for interpretation. Rephrased - All of
    the claims of scientific miracles are made in hindsight (post hoc) -
    all are made following the advancement of knowledge from other sources
    and the verbiage within the Qur'an is then interpreted to show that this
    knowledge was, somehow, there all along. As a source of scientific
    knowledge, then, at best, the Qur'an has little worth.

    If you wish to demonstrate that there is value in the scientific
    knowledge claimed to be within the Qur'an, please present a scientific
    postulation/hypothesis/theory derived from a verse, or from verses, from
    the Qur'an that was developed prior to the development of this
    knowledge from other sources. Or make prediction(s) of future scientific
    knowledge based upon the Qur'an and develop a method of inquiry based
    on this claimed scientific knowledge and gathering observable and
    measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning and
    experimentation and show that this predicted scientific knowledge to be
    true to a high level of reliability and confidence. I am willing to wait
    a lifetime for a beforehand/foresight version of scientific knowledge
    from the Qur'an to be demonstrated in any meaningful way. Otherwise,
    post hoc interpretations holds no credibility of the Qur'an as a source
    of scientific claims/foreknowledge.

    Finally, let us not overlook the numerous scientific errors, with or
    without claims of prophecy/scientific foreknowledge, that are present in
    the Qur'an:

    1
    Astronomy


    1.1 Geocentricism

    1.2 Setting and Rising Place of the Sun

    1.3 Stars are Missiles Shot at Devils

    1.4 Moon is Further from the Earth than the Stars

    1.5 Moon Emits Light

    1.6 Moon was Split in Two

    1.7 Seven Planets in the Universe

    1.8 Seven Heavens

    1.9 Earth Created in Six Days

    1.10 Earth Created before Stars

    1.11 Sun is a Flat Disk

    1.12 Sky is a Tent/Dome

    1.13 Sky Guards the Earth

    1.14 Sky is Made of Solid Material

    1.15 Sky can Fall Down on People

    1.16 Ignorance of the North and South Poles

    2 Biology

    2.1 Evolution

    2.1.1 Human Creation from Clay

    2.1.2 First Humans: Adam and Eve

    2.1.3 Humans Created in Paradise and then Brought to Earth

    2.2 Embryology

    2.2.1 Sperm Originates Between the Backbone and Ribs

    2.2.2 Embryo is Formed from Male and Female Fluids

    2.2.3 No Mention of Female Ovum

    2.2.4 Humans Created from a Clot of Blood

    2.2.5 Only Allah Knows the Gender of a Fetus

    2.3 All Organisms are Created in Pairs

    2.4 Womb has Three Layers

    2.5 Bones are Formed before Flesh

    2.6 Source and Purity of Milk

    3 Geology and Meteorology

    3.1 The Earth is Flat

    3.1.1 Facing Toward Mecca

    3.1.2 Earth is Spread Out and Flat

    3.1.3 Earth is Like a Couch

    3.1.4 Earth is Like a Carpet

    3.1.5 Earth is a Wide Plain

    3.1.6 Earth is Level

    3.2 Earth has Seven Atmospheric Layers

    3.3 The Earth does not Rotate

    3.4 Permanent Barrier between Fresh and Salt Water

    3.5 Mountains Prevent Earthquakes

    3.6 Mountains Cast into the Earth

    3.7 Chest Contracts with Altitude

    3.8 Earthquakes are a Punishment from God

    3.9 Hurricanes and Blizzards are a Punishment from God

    3.10 Rainwater is Pure

    3.11 No Evaporation in Water Cycle

    3.12 Hail Comes from Mountains in the Sky

    3.13 Thunder is an Angel

    4 Zoology

    4.1 Bees Eat Fruit

    4.2 Ants Recognize Humans and Speak with Each Other

    4.3 Horses Created as Transportation

    4.4 Bird Flight is a Miracle

    4.5 Classification of Creatures

    4.6 Only Eight Types of Cattle

    4.7 Birth Defects and Imperfections

    4.8 Poisonous Sea Life is Edible

    4.9 Birds Fight Elephants

    4.10 Sinful Animals

    5 History

    5.1 Wall of Iron between Two Mountains

    5.2 Christians Worship Mary as Part of the Trinity

    5.3 Noah's Ark holds Every Species

    5.4 Pharaoh or Pharaohs

    5.5 Jews call Ezra the Son of God

    5.6 Supernatural Destruction of Cities

    5.7 Humans can Sleep for Three Hundred Years

    5.8 Humans can Live for a Thousand Years

    5.9 Non-Existent Mosque in Jerusalem

    6 Sociology

    6.1 Fasting and Prayer Requirements at the Poles

    6.2 People are Protected in Mecca

    6.3 Non-Muslims are Deaf, Dumb, and Blind

    6.4 All Animals Live in Communities

    6.5 Requirement to Learn in Arabic

    7 Myths and Legendary Tales

    7.1 Humans Transformed into Apes

    7.2 Tribe Trapped Behind a Wall

    7.3 Supernatural Food

    7.4 A Stick Transforms into a Serpent

    7.5 Solomon's Army of Genies and Birds

    7.6 Jonah Performs Repentance inside a Fish

    7.7 Muhammad Flies on a Winged Horse to Heaven

    7.8 Body Parts Speak

    7.9 The Ocean Split in Half

    7.10 Solomon can Control the Wind

    7.11 A Dead Man Testified against his Killer

    7.12 Animals Speak to Humans

    7.13 Mountains and Birds can Sing Songs

    8 Others

    8.1 Mathematical Error in Hereditary Laws

    8.2 People use the Forehead to Lie

    8.3 Space Flight is Impossible
u/wokeupabug · 3 pointsr/askphilosophy

An excellent first introduction to Aristotle is Lear's Aristotle: The Desire to Understand. An excellent introduction that goes beyond the basics is Giovanni's A History of Ancient Philosophy, Vol. 2: Plato and Aristotle.

The standard English translations of Aristotle are in two volumes of Barnes' The Complete Works of Aristotle.

The traditional order to read the key texts would be to read the first volume of the Barnes edition in order up to and including On the Soul (skipping the spurious On the Universe), then from the second volume read Nicomachean Ethics then Metaphysics.

Alternately, you could start with what seems interesting and not too daunting. Nicomachean Ethics is a good place to start. Politics, Rhetoric, and Poetics are good choices, especially if you're interested in the subject matter. If the logic bores you, you could start with the physical and psychological works in the first volume.

u/TychoCelchuuu · 2 pointsr/askphilosophy

This book doesn't include any of Aristotle's works - it's a companion piece that contains essays about Aristotle. If you want Aristotle's works, there is a Complete Works of Aristotle in two volumes.

u/voicesinmyhand · 2 pointsr/TrueChristian
u/CatoFromFark · -9 pointsr/Christianity

I'd start here and work your way from there.