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u/Exponential · 7 pointsr/Catholicism
  1. Predestination is a biblical term. Therefore, it is a part of divine revelation. It is not a "Calvinist term".

  2. Predestination to Glory is perfectly Orthodox. Predestination to eternal damnation is not.

  3. http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1023.htm

  4. There are two books that I can suggest on this topic:

    Grace, Predestination, and the Salvific Will

    Predestination
u/GregoireDeNarek · 4 pointsr/Christianity

St. Thomas' ideas on predestination, grace, etc, are all pretty nuanced. I will recommend Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange's book, Predestination: The Meaning of Predestination in Scripture and the Church

u/Donkey_of_Balaam · 1 pointr/Noachide

Compare and contrast with mainstream Christian views:

>According, then, as He has preordained some men from eternity, so that they are directed to their ultimate end, He is said to have predestined them. Hence, the Apostle says, in Ephesians (1:5): ‘Who predestinated us unto the adoption of children … according to the purpose of His will.’ On the other hand, those to whom He has decided from eternity not to give His grace He is said to have reprobated or to have hated, in accord with what we find in Malachi (1:2-3): ‘I have loved Jacob, but have hated Esau.’ By reason of this distinction, according to which He has reprobated some and predestined others, we take note of divine election, which is mentioned in Ephesians (1:4): ‘He chose us in Him, before the foundation of the world.'” Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica and Contra Gentiles

Read Father Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange on The Meaning of Predestination in Scripture and the Church. How is it any different than what the "notorious" Calvinists believe? Full text.

The Reformation wasn't about indulgences. Luther maintained the church didn't put enough emphasis on predestination. Double Or Nothing: Martin Luther's Doctrine of Predestination is an excellent synopsis of his opus The Bondage of the Will.

>All things whatever arise from, and depend on, the divine appointment; whereby it was foreordained who should receive the word of life, and who should disbelieve it; who should be delivered from their sins, and who should be hardened in them; and who should be justified and who should be condemned.

>You may be worried that it is hard to defend the mercy and equity of G-d in damning the undeserving, that is, ungodly persons, who, being born in ungodliness, can by no means avoid being ungodly, and staying so, and being damned, but are compelled by natural necessity to sin and perish; as Paul says: ‘We were all the children of wrath, even as others’ (Eph.2.3), created such by G-d Himself from a seed that had been corrupted by the sin of the one man, Adam. But here G-d must be reverenced and held in awe, as being most merciful to those whom He justifies and saves in their own utter unworthiness; and we must show some measure of deference to His Divine wisdom by believing Him just when to us He seems unjust. … This question touches on the secrets of His Majesty, where ‘His judgments are past finding out’ (cf. Rom.11.33). It is not for us to inquire into these mysteries, but to adore them.

The ideas behind Luther's defamation of G-d's chosen people and his defamation of G-d's justice and mercy are contained throughout the new testament. He isn't quoting the Stoics to support his theology.

Lorraine Boettner was a reformed theologian. The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination is considered a classic.

>The condemnation of the non-elect is designed primarily to furnish an eternal exhibition, before men and angels, of G-d’s hatred for sin, or, in other words, it is to be an eternal manifestation of the justice of G-d. … This decree of reprobation also serves subordinate purposes in regard to the elect; for, in beholding the rejection and final state of the wicked, they learn what they too would have suffered had not grace stepped in to their relief, and they appreciate more deeply the riches of divine love which raised them from sin and brought them into eternal life while others no more guilty or unworthy than they were left to eternal destruction.

Unconditional election entails unconditional reprobation.

I'm not straw-manning the Christian position by picking an obscure teaching or selecting featherweight proponents.

>When they shall see the misery of the damned, it will give them a greater sense of the distinguishing grace and love of G-d to them, that G-d should from all eternity set his love on them, and make so great a difference between them and others who are of the same species with them, are no worse by nature than they, and have deserved no worse of G-d than they. When they shall look upon the misery of the damned, and consider how different their own state is from theirs, and that it is only free and sovereign grace that makes the difference, what a great sense will this give them of the wonderful grace of G-d to them! And how will it heighten their praises! With how much greater admiration and exultation of soul will they sing of the free and sovereign grace of G-d to them! Jonathan Edwards

Vincent Cheung is a vocal contemporary. He's controversial because he refuses to deny the logical consequences of Occasionalism: G-d is "The Author of Sin" http://www.vincentcheung.com/books/The%20Author%20of%20Sin%20(2014).pdf


>Hell is a place whose inhabitants are sovereignly and unconditionally chosen and created by G-d for damnation … in which G-d actively causes endless, conscious, and extreme torment for its inhabitants … in which G-d displays his justice, righteousness, wrath, and power, and through which he glorifies himself.

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To the absolute and unequivocal contrary:

“Do you think that I like to see wicked people die?” says the Sovereign L-rd. “Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live.” (Ezekiel 18:23)

And G-d saw their deeds, that they had repented of their evil way, and the L-rd relented concerning the evil that He had spoken to do to them, and He did not do it. (Jonah 3:10)

>Teshuvah atones for all sins. Even a person who was wicked his whole life and repented in his final moments will not be reminded of any aspect of his wickedness as [Ezekiel 33:12] states "the wickedness of the evil one will not cause him to stumble on the day he repents his wickedness." Maimonides