Reddit reviews Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes

No, you are missing what he is saying. The prisoners are sincere in what they are saying, they have the message to give, and that message is to not be stupid and to think before you decide to pick up a gun for a short-term solution, that will see you, and/or others dead, or locked up, and just ruining lives forever - all for the worse, never for the better.

The propaganda is the people PUSHING the video, and then editing everything to make sure you come out of that thinking "DAMN, GUNS SUCK! THEY ARE NEVER OKAY!"

Propaganda is subtle, but it works magic.

Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes - I recommend everybody read this book to understand just how much propaganda exists in our world today. It's ridiculous, and you won't even realize some of it until you take a critical eye to step back and observe.

Jacques Ellul's Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes deserves to be mentioned.

My rule of thumb is that if something becomes a movement, it is controlled opposition. I like to call it "dissension by design". There are a couple good books on the subject I would recommend, they're not necessarily about "controlled opposition" per say, but cover the topic of propaganda and how it shapes the world view and how groups are isolated to have propaganda foisted upon them to create "movements" etc.

First one is "Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes" by Jacques Ellul

http://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-The-Formation-Mens-Attitudes/dp/0394718747 Worth buying, IMO, get it used its cheap as hell. Read the reviews, they can sum it up well.

The other is "Foundations: Their Power and Influence" by Rene Wormser. This goes into how the big tax-exempt foundations(like Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford, etc) were funding all of the communist propaganda aimed at academia and schools, this was written before the effects of these things really took hold in the 60s and 70s, which led to the situation we have today of mindless Bernie Sanders supporters wanting "socialism" and state control of everything.

http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Influence-Rene-A-Wormser/dp/0925591289

This one isn't cheap, its rarer, I own it, but someone did put it up on scribd:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/129462864/Foundations-Their-Power-and-Influence-by-Rene-A-Wormser#scribd

You can take a quick look through my comment history if you want to and see my past discussions about information literacy, the evaluation of information resources and the fact that, as a librarian, this is my profession and the subject in which my education lies.

You are incorrect. I stand by my original statements about the very real and very large differences between MSNBC and FOX.

If this is a topic you have legitimate interest in learning about, including the very important distinction between "bias" and propaganda I suggest you start here - http://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-The-Formation-Mens-Attitudes/dp/0394718747/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1347558432&sr=8-2&keywords=ellul

However, from the attacking tone of your posts I don't believe that you have any such interest. "They both suck equally" is just the ground that FOX "News"'s loyal defenders have retreated to since making any serious claim that they are "fair and balanced" has become impossible.

Thanks, Sounds very interesting; I definitely need to check it out.

To reciprocate, you might find the following two books relevant;

• The Doubter's Companion: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense
  
  
• Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes
  

Exactly. Exactly. I read Ellul and found that to be a pretty effective inoculation against modern global media.

Sorry, I just can't be arsed to write an essay in a language not native to me ;)

Start with understanding that your picture of other countries' cultures, including, and maybe especially, China's, is formed predominantly by propaganda (I mean media) of your single language. Luckily there's an English translation of a great book:

"Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes" https://www.amazon.com/dp/0394718747. Maybe read it. It's a bit longer than 6 paragraphs, though.

Leaning other languages is how one expands their monolithic point of view of cultures, so that it becomes a horizon. Actually I'm starting to wonder if the google translate version of, say, a ZH Wikipedia's article on China and USA is a useable source. If not ZH, try RU and, I don't know, FR.

Actually I think Chomsky is overrated. His biggest contribution (aside from his linguistics work which I can't critique) was his collaboration on "Manufacturing Consent" but most of that was already covered by people like Jacques Ellul and Lippman and Bernays. http://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-The-Formation-Mens-Attitudes/dp/0394718747 (Jacques called the manufacture of consent, "the falsification of majorities")

Tell me, is it "liberal" of me to say that our govt should not lie to us to go around gassing other people?

https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Formation-Attitudes-Jacques-Ellul/dp/0394718747/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1497972931&sr=8-3&keywords=propaganda

Jesus Christ. Ever heard of Jacques Ellul?

http://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-The-Formation-Mens-Attitudes/dp/0394718747

I mean seriously. The consideration that propaganda is a reforming rather than converting agent of indoctrination? Is that an astounding idea?

Fox has the Republicans. MSNBC has a few Democrats. Does that blow your goddamn mind? People who assume one thing stick to the thing they are accustomed. Is that so hard do understand? People don't like change, and are prone to sticking to what is familiar.Astonishing, right?

Propaganda is provided for the 1. Literate, 2. Intelligent, 3. Wealthy for the promotion of reconfirmation of myths ranging from National Pride to Work to Race.It's formulaic. Who do you want to enslave for your progressive reform? Answer that question, and we can have incarceration centers in less than a year. Every people is the same. Human nature is the ultimate unifier.

Fuck your dictionary. Give a name to something like 'propaganda' without considering Bernays or other propagandists and you can lose a great understanding of what it means. I recommend further study.

To let you in a little further, can you tell me the ties between the New York Times and the political growth of Mao, Stalin and Che?

If you ever happen to value that publication again, please specify their significant ties, and then apologize for the journal's credibility.