Top products from r/Amd
We found 554 product mentions on r/Amd. We ranked the 1,863 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
1. AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-core, 24-thread unlocked desktop processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler
Sentiment score: 10
Number of reviews: 45
The world's most advanced processor in the desktop PC gaming segmentCan deliver ultra-fast 100+ FPS performance in the world's most popular games12 cores and 24 processing threads, bundled with the AMD Wraith Prism cooler with color controlled LED support4.6 GHz max boost, unlocked for overclocking,...

2. Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black
Sentiment score: 10
Number of reviews: 33
Vengeance LPX memory is designed for high performance overclocking; The heat spreader is made of pure aluminum for faster heat dissipation, and the eight layer PCB helps manage heat and provides superior overclocking headroomCompatible with Intel 100 Series, Intel 200 series, Intel 300 series, Intel...

3. AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6-Core, 12-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Spire Cooler
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 31
The world's most advanced processor in the desktop PC gaming segmentCan deliver ultra-fast 100+ FPS performance in the world's most popular games system memory specification 3200 MHz6 Cores and 12 processing threads bundled with the powerful AMD Wraith Spire cooler4 4 GHz max Boost unlocked for over...

4. AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler
Sentiment score: 3
Number of reviews: 27
The world's most advanced processor in the desktop PC gaming segmentCan deliver ultra-fast 100+ FPS performance in the world's most popular games8 cores and 16 processing threads, bundled with the AMD Wraith Prism cooler with color controlled LED support4 4 GHz max boost unlocked for overclocking 36...

5. AOC G2460PF 24” Gaming Monitor, FreeSync, FHD (1920x1080), TN Panel, 144Hz, 1ms, Height Adjustable, DisplayPort, HDMI, USB
Sentiment score: 10
Number of reviews: 26
24" Class LED Monitor (24" Viewable) Full HD 1920 x 1080 resolution, 144hz Response RateAMD FreeSync technology provides the smoothest gaming experience. Height adjust amount- 5.1 inches. Pixel Pitch (H) (V)- 0.276Brightness - 350 cd/m2, Dynamic Contrast Ratio - 80,000,000:1, Response Time - 1msCon...

6. AMD YD1700BBAEBOX Ryzen 7 1700 Processor with Wraith Spire LED Cooler
Sentiment score: 6
Number of reviews: 23
Frequency: 3.7 GHZ precision boost8 cores/16 threads unlockedCache: 4 mb/16 mb (l2/l3)Operates upto a maximum temperature of 95 degree celsiusThermal solution: Wraith spire led cooler

7. AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler
Sentiment score: 6
Number of reviews: 23
The world's most advanced processor in the desktop PC gaming segmentCan deliver ultra-fast 100+ FPS performance in the world's most popular games8 cores and 16 processing threads, bundled with the AMD Wraith Prism cooler with color controlled LED support4.5 GHz max boost, unlocked for overclocking, ...

8. AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core, 12-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler
Sentiment score: 0
Number of reviews: 20
The world's most advanced processor in the desktop PC gaming segmentCan deliver ultra-fast 100+ FPS performance in the world's most popular games6 cores and 12 processing threads bundled with the quiet AMD wraith stealth cooler max temps 95°C4 2 GHz max boost unlocked for overclocking 35 MB of game...

9. AMD YD170XBCAEWOF Ryzen 7 1700X Processor
Sentiment score: 6
Number of reviews: 19
Frequency: 3.8 ghz precision boost8 cores/16 threads unlockedCache: 4 mb/16 mb (l2/l3),pci express version : PCIE 3.0Socket type: am4; Max temps 95°celsiusExtended frequency range (xfr)

10. AMD YD180XBCAEWOF Ryzen 7 1800X Processor
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 17
Requires a thermal solution sold separatelyMax Turbo Frequency 4.00 GHz ; 3.6 GHz Clock Speed8 Cores/16 Threads UNLOCKEDCache: 4 MB/16 MB (L2/L3)Socket Type: AM4Extended Frequency Range (XFR)

11. Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 Premium-Grade 140mm Dual Tower CPU Cooler for AMD AM4
Sentiment score: 7
Number of reviews: 15
Award-winning NH-D15 cooler: more than 200 awards and recommendations from international hardware websites and magazinesDedicated special edition for the AMD AM4 socketTwo quiet, premium-grade NF-A15 140mm fans with PWM for automatic speed controlIncludes Low-Noise Adaptor and renowned NT-H1 thermal...

12. AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Processor with Wraith Spire (no LED) Cooler (YD1600BBAEBOX)
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 15
Frequency: 3.6 ghz precision boost6 cores/12 threads unlockedCache: 3 mb/19 mb (l2/l3)Socket type: Am4; Max Temps : 95°C; PCI Express Version : PCIe 3.0 x16Thermal solution: Wraith spire cooler; Base Clock:3.2GHz

13. Sapphire Radeon Nitro R9 Fury 4GB HBM HDMI/DVI-D PCI-Express Graphics Card 11247-03-40G
Sentiment score: -4
Number of reviews: 15
1 x DVI-D;1 x HDMI;3 x DisplayPort; High bandwidth memoryInterface PCI-Express 3.0; Power efficiency >3X the performance per watt of GDDR5System Requirement-750 watt power supply (suggestion), 2 x 8-pin AUX power connector,4 x 8-pin AUX power connector is required for CrossFireXTM system,CD-ROM or D...

14. Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)
Sentiment score: 8
Number of reviews: 15
Designed for high performance overclockingDesigned for great looks; SPD Speed: 2133MHzPerformance and compatibilityLow profile heat spreader designCompatibility: Intel 100 Series, Intel 200 Series, Intel 300 Series, Intel X299

15. XFX Radeon RX Vega 64 8 GB HBM2 3 x DP HDMI Graphics Card RX-VEGMTBFX6
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 15
Chipset - AMD rx Vega 648GB HBM2 memoryGPU Core Clock - 1247Mhz boost mode - 1546MhzVR premium ready

16. AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler - YD2600BBAFBOX
Sentiment score: 7
Number of reviews: 14
System ram type: DDR4_sdram

17. Acer XG270HU omidpx 27-inch WQHD AMD FREESYNC (2560 x 1440) Widescreen Monitor, WQHD (2560 x 1440)
Sentiment score: 5
Number of reviews: 13
Acer XG 27" monitor features WQHD resolution (2560 x 1440) presenting stunning, high quality images with excellent detail that not only enhances users’ working efficiency, but creates outstanding visual enjoyment.With AMD Free Sync, the game’s frame rate is determined by your graphics card, not ...

18. AMD Ryzen 3 2200G Processor with Radeon Vega 8 Graphics - YD2200C5FBBOX
Sentiment score: 4
Number of reviews: 13
Built In Radeon Vega 8 Graphics4 Cores UnlockedFrequency: 3.7 GigaHertz Max Boost; Thermal Solution: Wraith Stealth CoolerSocket Type: AM4; Max System Memory Speed : 2667 MegaHertzOS Support Windows 10 64 Bit Edition, RHEL x86 64 Bit, Ubuntu x86 64 Bit; Operating System (OS) support will vary by m...

19. AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler - YD270XBGAFBOX
Sentiment score: -1
Number of reviews: 13
8 Cores/16 Threads UnlockedFrequency: 4.3 GHz Max Boost. Base Clock 3.7GHz20MB of Combined CacheCompatibility : Windows 10 64 Bit Edition , RHEL x86 64 Bit , Ubuntu x86 64 BitSocket AM4 Motherboard Required, Supports Windows 10 - 64-Bit Edition RHEL x86 64-Bit Ubuntu x86 64-Bit

20. AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core, 32-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor, Without Cooler
Sentiment score: 2
Number of reviews: 13
16 cores and 32 processing threads, the most processing power you can get in mainstream desktopCan deliver ultra-fast 100+ FPS performance in the world's most popular gamesCooler not included, liquid cooler with 280 millimeter or larger radiator recommended. Max temps: 95°C4.7 GHz max boost, unlock...

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Could be cheaper/better if you did not want RGB, but for an RGB build you cant really go lower, overally pretty good, just change drives/power supply and search for another 5700xt, best are PowerColor 5700xt Red Dragon or Sapphire 5700xt Pulse. 3 fan Gigabyte card is fine too.
Go with 1440p, you are NOT on a budget and 5700xt is perfectly capable for it =) Well, it IS hard to find a decend 1440p 144hz non TN Freesync panel, acer 271+ models have issues, otherwise 270 series is great(https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XG270HU-27-inch-FREESYNC-Widescreen/dp/B00VRCLHYS/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=Acer+NITRO+VG270U&qid=1568102625&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr0
Case is good, but if you want RGB - front panel is closed, so there is not much place to put it into =)Corsair fans are great if you want fans and a ring, but otherwise they are not great fans and cost a lot, so added another option. And yeah, if you still want to buy corsair fans - just get h510 Elite, would be the same price as h510+corsair fans, looks great and everything is pre-installed.. Otherwise just h510+30$ for fans(option in the list).
for Drives - Ditch HDD, they are slow, noisy and and this build deserve better. Here is your main drive, list does not seem to find it, it's great and reviewed by Tom's Hardware recentlyhttps://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Gen3x4-000MB-SU001TBP34A80M28AB/dp/B07L6GF81L/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=SU001TBP34A80M28AB&qid=1568101817&s=gateway&sr=8-1 $114.99 for 1TB nvme goodness
Second drive can be anything, tho b450 board only have one m.2 so any sata ssd for 1-2 tb is great, added a great option, it seems on sale right now.
Also added another memory option, same just 3600, if you want.
thats a pretty badass bday present!
i have a genuine question tho, and not necessarily aimed at OP. Why do i see so many builds using the ryzen APU with a graphics card as well? is there a benefit to it? i understand builds that start with it and add a gpu later, but if you're buying it all at once would it not be better to grab a 2600 instead? (or a 1600 if its the R3 apu)
questions aside. congrats! im sure he'll remember building it fondly for the rest of his life.
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edit: fair points all around! so if its the 2200 it makes perfect sense for best performance at price point. however if its a 2400 then you might as well have gotten a 2600 especially with them being 149 at walmart and amazon right now = https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B41WS48/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_yW0yCbK60C89B
Not sure where you are getting your information from, but that is the whole point of the X series SKUs. They are binned higher and feature XFR for auto-overclocking. The non-X SKUs are still unlocked multipliers but do NOT have the Extended Frequency Range auto-overclocking feature that the X SKUs DO.
Here's a few sources, including a couple that were in attendance at today's event.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/kitguru-amd-event-ryzen-7-cpus-set-to-hit-intel-pricing-hard/
"That ‘X’ prefix denotes support for eXtended Frequency Range (XFR) which allows a number of the CPU’s cores to operate at up to 1 multiplier bin higher if thermal and power threshold budgets are not saturated"
"Ryzen 7 1700 – 8 cores, 16 threads, 3.0GHz base speed, 3.7GHz boost speed, no XFR support, 65W TDP, $329 USD, £319.99 OCUK price."
Techreport, who was also in attendance at the event today and went home with review samples lists these specs as part of what was announced at the event.
https://techreport.com/news/31471/amd-eight-core-16-thread-chips-lead-the-ryzen-charge
Model | Cores | Threads | Base Clock | Boost Clock | XFR | TDP | Price
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Ryzen 1800X | 8 | 16 | 3.6GHz | 4.0GHz | Yes | 95W | $499
Ryzen 1700X | 8 | 16 | 3.4GHz | 3.8GHz | Yes | 95W | $399
Ryzen 1700 | 8 | 16 | 3.0GHz | 3.7GHz | No | 65W | $329
"The X in the product name (in this and other models) denotes the presence of the XFR technology (eXtended Frequency Range), allowing you to reach even higher frequencies in the presence of adequate cooling. XFR is just one of the technologies SenseMI" -> translated from: https://www.tomshw.it/ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-e-1700-specifiche-e-prestazioni-83576 in regards to information released by AMD at today's event.
All of this is from those who attended and official AMD specs released today. There is no question about it, that is literally what the "X" in the SKU denotes. XFR. This is all just a matter of hours old information, not "last week". You mention you take what people who attended have to say as priority, which of course makes sense. Only problem is that it is the exact opposite of what you're saying.
Also, the pre-order listings on sites like Amazon make this clear. For instance,
1800X: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W9JXK4G, clearly lists XFR on the product page
1700X: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X3W9NGG, clearly lists XFR on the product page
1700: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WP5YCX6, does not list XFR on the product page
On OCUK's product pages as well, XFR is listed as a spec on only the 1800X and 1700X product pages:
1800X: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-ryzen-7-eight-core-1800x-4.00ghz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-39v-am.html
1700X: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-ryzen-7-eight-core-1700x-3.80ghz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-39w-am.html
1700: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-ryzen-7-eight-core-1700-3.70ghz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-39x-am.html
--> OCUK "'X' Version with automatic XFR overclocking"
I'm having a similar issue: max freq for the best core of my 3600x is only 4.325Mhz and all other cores are at 4.250Mhz max which is lower than the 4.400Mhz advertised. I tried to activate PBO but it didn't change anything.
Also worth noticing, the Vcore is around 1.437 which seems pretty high. Far more concerning, even with a great case (Silverstone RL06 pro, recommended by Gamers Nexus) and a Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 (premium cooler) CPU temperature can reach 55°C (minimum 35°C and ambient temp only 21°C) with just chrome and razer opened and nothing else. When stressing the CPU it stays constant at 70°C.
I hope there will be BIOS updates and AMD chipset updates because right now my conclusion is that this CPU runs hot and can't be overclocked because it has already been factory OC to extreme levels by AMD. I already regret buying a 3600x for sure, I should have bought a 3600 instead.
I wonder if these issues are due to the shit VRMs of my motherboard (msi x570).
Best RX 480's:
XFX GTR
MSI Gaming
Sapphire Nitro+
All those have 4gb variants at a cheaper price. Out of those cards no one is the best but the XFX has the best overclock. So pick the cheapest or whatever looks best to you.
Hope this helps!
EDIT: Spend another $100 and you can have a 144Hz FreeSync monitor. Something like a AOC 24inch
A third party seller with a Prime Agreement (Prime Seller) can supply Amazon with product, and it is then sold under the Amazon Prime label. While Amazon does hold product, it doesn't always mean that Amazon is the "owner" of the Product.
At times you will find Company X Limited (not going to mention any companies, but think reputable large companies) are the *actual* seller - but unless there's more than one supplier to Amazon for a given Product, the option to view the actual suppliers isn't available.
However, in this instance, the actual provider is Amazon - which is a touch depressing, given that it's nearly 50GBP more than the other suppliers, and Amazon doesn't actually have the product in stock either.
In this case the *actual* supplier can be viewed by selecting another Ryzen 3000 SKU such as the Ryzen 5 3600, and then on the page for other offers, change back to the Ryzen 9 3900X - see below:
See: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B07SXMZLP9/ref=olp_twister_child?ie=UTF8&mv_size_name=6&mv_style_name=0
Maybe Amazon is sourcing the R9 3900X from places like Silicon Lottery who sell for higher prices after pre-selection - and as a result the product is more expensive; though sadly I fear that Amazon might just be profiteering in this case, on the fact that the R9 3900X is heavily in demand with supply being limited from Amazon.
Also, the product is on an "Expedited Delivery" setting, which normally means that Amazon has purchased (or ordered) from a third-party supplier, and will normally get the third-party to ship directly to the customer (albeit in Amazon branded packaging where possible). It saves getting the product to Amazon's warehouses, and then out to the customer. From my experience this happens when Amazon is having trouble getting an item and meeting demand for the item, they will almost outsource the shipping to a vendor who apparently has or has access to the product in question.
Reminds me of the mining crisis for a few years back, when GPUs were not only impossible to find, but inflated in their pricing due to a lack of product and high demand.
Just my thoughts on this matter. But yeah, disappointing action by Amazon. Not what I expected, and sadly it might be that they are exploiting their essential monopoly on online purchasing. (Yes I know there are other suppliers - I myself used the other suppliers, but Amazon normally have the most compelling deals for almost anything!).
Ideally people should not buy from Amazon at this inflated price, and instead pre-order from other vendors so as to let Amazon know that this type of activity is not acceptable. However, this is the nature of a free market economy. Supply and demand govern price. Sad and I'm not a fan of it, but it is what it is.
Peace :)
Edit: Also, on Amazon when third-party vendors sell their product, there are fees - different fees for Prime verified/approved sellers and different for those not Prime - you can see with the R5 3600 the price from Amazon Prime is the best at 199.99 - prices from the other vendors - CCL, Scan etc are much higher - however, on thier own websites the prices are far more sensible.
Okay now I'm done. Peace :)
if u wanne go cheap look op the AOC freesync monitors.
They offer great value for the money u spend
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI
200 bucks
24inc
INC freesync range 35-144hz
1ms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTPxUt5OhlU review
P.s they also have a 27 inc version ( but on 1080p i personally would not recomand it )
But here is the BIG thing.
This is great for FPS games.
If your main focus is anything but fps games.
Get an IPS 60-75 hz screen whit freesync ( better picture quality )
Might also be nice to look for a higher resolution
I think SSDs are cheap enough now that for a 1tb you'd be better off getting something like this https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Performance-Internal-SP001TBSS3A55S25/dp/B07B4G19X3/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=1tb+ssd&qid=1559335102&s=electronics&sr=1-6-spell
About the same cost as your 2 drives together and 240GB less storage, but you'll enjoy fitting that many games on the SSD. Plus by the time you run out of space, you might have the cash to upgrade to an M.2 SSD
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Edit: Also, I'd go for something like this for RAM
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2GS78Z9KL72RH&keywords=3200+mhz+ddr4&qid=1559335538&s=electronics&sprefix=3200%2Celectronics%2C165&sr=1-3
Ryzen likes fast RAM, and most people consider 3200Mhz to be the minimum to consider buying. Also priced similar to the kit you have listed.
the dude has 34 ratings as a seller...... his name may be "AMD Authorized Re-seller" but it does seem sketchy. only 34 reviews? I literally just canceled mine. While AMAZON sent me the email that its in stock, the fact that it isn't more reputable makes me say nope. I canceled as well.
EDIT: Also look at what the rating ares, they are GARBAGE. "I just started using the knife but it seems to work great" WHAT? what does that have to do with CPU's and technology.... the rest are just as laughable.
EDIT: note my motherboard i ordered is from amazon services inc, legit.
EDIT: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-24-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLP9/ref=sr_1_17?keywords=3900x&qid=1562620368&s=electronics&sr=1-17#customerReviews
This is the official link on amazon. Now all of a sudden its "unavailable" again.... even though i just ordered and then canceled because the seller was sketchy.
I'm more on the "70 bucks is not worth it, the 2200g is just too good " side of the fence, and i'm glad that the prices here in germany are reflecting that. I think 50% more for SMT is totally justified.
2200g 96€
2400g 149€
Those chips are amazing.
AMD put online at least some 3700x's on Amazon, this triggered the notification that went out, but apparently the number they said could be fulfilled was fulfilled in minutes. 3900x's were on the AMD site itself, but you couldn't use the "shop" section to get to them, you had to find the 3900x product page, THEN click "add to cart". Those are sold out as well. Only the 3600x's that are on Amazon are the ones that still seem to be in stock: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SQBFN2D.
Newegg has 3600x's as well: https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600x/p/N82E16819113568.
I haven't seen anywhere reporting 3600's, 3800, or 3800x as being available yet.
edit: /u/Morbis0688 was correct-I double checked the mail I got and it was a cpu sold by someone else. I had clicked through to AMD's storefront however, which is where my confusion was.
It's due to stock flow though, my go to retailers all sold out, amazon is one of the few left with any stock but probably due to the fact they can pull stock from their arse if need be with being completely global at this point.
Edit: they are actually now out of stock completely.
CCL out of stock
Overclockers out of stock
Scan out of stock
Amazon out of stock
Those are the big ones I usually go to, decent companies and good customer support and RMA policies for the most part, all out. Definitely a supply issue.
I'm using this https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3000MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0134EW7G8 at XMP settings perfectly. This board has great memory support as of the most recent BIOS!
Yeah it'll help https://www.computerbase.de/2019-03/amd-ryzen-cpu-ddr4-ram/2/
You can imagine where 2133 would be. Should be roughly the same difference between the 2666 and 3466 results.
Get any 3000MHz+ kit that people've said works, or is said to work in your mobo's QVL which you can find on its site.
This's great value: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820164137
Or, if you want something more muted: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233852 or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0134EW7G8
Thanks, I think that's the next step I'm going to try. Do you think it's an issue with the RAM I've chosen (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0134EW7G8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) or is just this specific kit dead on arrival? I feel like I've seen a ton of builds in my research using this kit.
If it truly is a compatibility issue, any RAM that you can recommend? Thanks again for your help.
Check the QVL list for the motherboard, buy that. It's the safest bet, especially since the Taichi is a little finicky with RAM OC in my experience, and I believe Buildzoid has mentioned that as well.
On the other hand... my RAM isn't on the QVL list itself, and but is Samsung B-Die and works at 3200CL14 which is what it's rated at... very similar model # to what you have picked out from G.Skill. Just more aggressive timings (which isn't a huge deal at the price disparity)
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205
For cooling an 1800X if you want to OC, I might recommend an even beefier cooler from Noctua honestly. At 4.0ghz with common voltages you put off a lot of heat.
https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-D15-SE-AM4-Premium-Grade-Cooler/dp/B01NC06ZYT
Assuming your case can handle the airflow. My original Phanteks P400S was NOT up to the task of removing the heat, even with 2x 140mm intakes fans and 1x 120mm outlet + 1x 140mm overhead outlet.
[This website] (https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/am4-motherboard-memory-support-list-en_0.pdf) has a good AM4 compatibility list and the RAM you listed's part number doesn't apply. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean it won't work or will be incompatible, if you've already purchased it, see if it'll function at 3200Mhz, otherwise you can always return and buy a better pair.
Although something I've noticed is, [My RAM] (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC) is on that same list yet I couldn't go past 2666Mhz, but more than likely, it was down to my motherboard (Gigabyte AB350-Gaming-3) just simply not liking it, I will be getting an X470 board on Friday though (Fatal1ty X470 Gaming K4) so hopefully I will finally go to full speed.
I hope this helps, sorry it's a bit of a tangent. :)
Quick edit: If your memory is not listed in QVL, it just means it hasn't been tested for whatever reason. It most likely will just work, but it's not guaranteed to work.
there is also this monitor: https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473347456&sr=8-1&keywords=aoc+freesync
I have it and it is really nice, great panel and the stand can rotate and raise up and down really easily, AND it's $50 cheaper.
Unfortunately I can't speak German but here is a good set of RAM.
You want at least 3200mhz and CL16.
Be sure that your motherboard can support 3200mhz RAM
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=8gb+ddr4-3200&qid=1563263080&s=gateway&sr=8-1
>Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4
Great Choice. But hard to justify the $90.
Would be interested in developing a performance cost model to figure out how much cooling solution brings how much value over life time.
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48/ref=sxin_2_af-pna-1_5a7e756a3886fad7f36997536b05801e538ddb91?keywords=2600x&pd_rd_i=B07B41WS48&pd_rd_r=07aa6757-2f38-4d62-b26d-5e5f98f52bb0&pd_rd_w=1mqUH&pd_rd_wg=GOPqZ&pf_rd_p=3892bc23-5fa8-4a18-8855-22c23bd2e202&pf_rd_r=25WK1R9F09Z3NR64TPA6&qid=1573355313
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https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-B450M-V2/dp/B07NH5DBNZ/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=b450m&qid=1573355533&s=electronics&sr=1-3
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right here bro you will find this to be a great upgrade no skips or pauses in your game play like the i5 if you want to go cheap you can get a 1600 and a b350 mobo this is my exact cpu and mobo i came from and 4 core 8 thread intel chip and this was a hell of an upgrade very with the 12 threads its very future proof at a completely reasonable price dont let intel fool you
There is one xfx one but for £650 also from third party, Certainly not interested in that when other places still have them cheaper...
(https://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-Graphics-Display-Monitor-Outputs/dp/B074DK6NHQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1503916913&sr=8-3&keywords=amd+vega+64)
Just hoping OCUK have some 56's for £349
Hey, I just received the AOC G2460PF from Amazon literally two days ago and it is absolutely amazing. It's also FreeSync at the same price(on sale), 144Hz 24" 1ms.
You wouldn't believe how much better games look on a 24" monitor if your previous monitor was <24". It's like a resolution upgrade without the performance drawbacks, it blew me away, I didn't even know that was a thing with bigger monitors. I just thought 1080p was 1080p, y'know?
It doesn't say so, but it does come with proper DisplayPort and HDMI cords, also some other display cord.
FreeSync is only supposed to work with AMD cards, but... I haven't noticed any screen tearing at all with VSync off on my GTX 970(multiple games that hit 144). Either FreeSync is working or the monitor is just that good.
ShopBLT is legit, but note the fine print:
>This item is ordered from the manufacturer as needed. After you place your order, we will order it from the manufacturer. When it arrives into our warehouse, usually within 15 business days, we will fill your order and ship it to you.
That's also the tray SKU. You probably want the retail boxed version. However, those shipments are not expected to begin arriving to ShopBLT's warehouses until at least the end of the month.
If you want to get a 3800X before then, your best bet is to set up a notification alert on Now In Stock. However, be aware that NIS appears to be linking to the wrong Amazon product page. This is the correct one.
Alternatively, you can just buy a 3700X right now with Prime two-day shipping. It's actually so similar to the 3800X that the price premium for the latter is not easy to justify.
Personally I'm just waiting on an X370 motherboard and R7 1800X CPU. Currently have a RX480 (provided in list anyway) as a tie over until Vega. Also preordered the AM4 mounting kit for the NH-D15. Alternatively, you can preorder the special edition AM4 model, but I prefer the versatility of all sockets. The 1300w PSU is way overkill, but I wanted to leave myself the possiblity of a second vega years down the line to scale perf when mgpu and DX12 become more mainstream. I was also creating the possibility of water cooling. Either way, its got a 10yr warranty so should be good all the way until the tech doesn't matter anymore. Bought these all over the last week or so :)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU Cooler | Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler | $85.49 @ OutletPC
Memory | G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | $274.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Samsung 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive | $329.00 @ B&H
Video Card | Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card | $244.99 @ Jet
Case | Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX ATX Mid Tower Case | $169.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA G2 1300W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $182.03 @ Jet
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $1286.49
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-11 14:14 EST-0500 |
https://www.amazon.fr/AMD-Ryzen-1600X-Processeur-Socket/dp/B06XKWT7GD/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1493813402&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=1600
Here's a 1600X for 234 euro.
https://www.amazon.fr/AMD-Ryzen-1600-Processeur-Ventilateur/dp/B06XNRQHG4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1493813419&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=1600
And here's a 1600 for 233 euro.
Enjoy your 1600(X) :) Seriously, definitely go 1600. You want 6 cores. Unless you plan to buy a new CPU within 1-2 years.
It looks like this BIOS improved compatability with the Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3000C15, the current best selling RAM on Amazon, particularly the Hynix die version, 5.30. Choosing the automatic D.O.C.P profile now boots it properly at 2933 MHz.
The odd issue with CAS latency setting itself to 16 remains, however. I had success changing my timings to 14-16-16-31 which also increased performance, though mileage will definitely vary here, silicon lottery etc.
An RX 560 with FreeSync will feel faster than a 1050ti without GSync. The smoothness can be quite enchanting.
The thing to look for, though, is the minimum FreeSync rate on the monitor. It needs to be around 30Hz. 45Hz is cutting it too close as you have to maintain between 45Hz and 75Hz to not experience tearing.
I don't see where you posted which monitor it was, but if it's this one it only has a range from 47Hz to 75Hz. That's REALLY narrow.
You'd be better served putting more money into the monitor than the video card - you will likely keep the monitor longer, anyway.
This is my monitor. $205 right now, 30Hz-146Hz (using the driver) and good color (once it breaks in - something most people don't even know monitors need to do).
I was thinking, and since AMD is the manufacturer and shipping person on the Amazon website:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXMZLP9/?coliid=I2YWH100TKHCM8&colid=3V4BP796C6W8T&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
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This would probably mean that Amazon is going to be selling directly from AMD's own stockpile? I'm pretty sure this is what it means.
I have mixed feelings about the turbo boost. By reading on wikipedia about turbo on the previous amd iterations, it's simply a frequency boost that happens for short periods of time on 1 core. It's really useful for single thread applications. However, it becomes confusing when on Amazon, for example, the 1800x is sold as having a frequency of 4ghz while in reality has 3.6ghz. At this point it just becomes a marketing thing.
Edit:
Here is the link to amazon
not from amazon (3rd party S&Y electronics), and has a referral link FYI.
here's referral free link https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Cooler-YD1700BBAEBOX/dp/B06WP5YCX6
Spain (all prices include 21% VAT)
Part | Amazon | PCComponentes
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1800X | 446€ | 529€
1700X | 363€ | 419€
1700 | 316€ | 316€
1600X | 250€ | 279€
1600 | 218€ | 225€
1500X | 203€ | 209€
1400 | 170€ | 179€
I only welected the one sold directly by amazon or managed by them, if you're willing to go with Amazon marketplace there's a 1800X for 432€ and a 1600X for 236€.
They seem to be pretty close to most of the european prices.
My question regarding the X version is what to pick when I already have a Corsair 280mm AIO.
hey i know its not samsung b-die but iwas thinking of goign with
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMK16GX4M2B3200C16-Vengeance-DDR4-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1494018275&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
this one.
its on the gaming 3's 3200 supported list so I figure it should be good right?
[This] (http://www.amazon.com/Acer-XG270HU-omidpx-FREESYNC-Widescreen/dp/B00VRCLHYS) should be what you're looking for. Granted, it's twice the price. It's a pretty good monitor, though; I have one.
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI
I love this monitor. I got the 28 version for this same price. Good budget monitor that's budget in the key area which is 1080p. 144hz, 1ms response, and freesync.
2200g+mATX Motherboard+ 16gb 2400mhz ~$210
The motherboard is not the best but has the video connections you require. It will allow for mild overclocking but you may want higher clocked RAM 3000mhz+, it’s about $5 difference. $20 more on a motherboard will provide a heatsink on the VRMs to further improve overclocking.
$80: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Radeon-Graphics/dp/B079D3DBNM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=2200g&amp;qid=1563839862&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1
$60: https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B450M-HDV-R4-0-Promontory-Motherboard/dp/B07MWGKHR9/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?keywords=b450&amp;qid=1563839996&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-7
$68: https://www.amazon.com/XPG-19200-Memory-Modules-AX4U240038G16-DRZ/dp/B06XYSSS5C/ref=mp_s_a_1_12?keywords=ddr4+ram+16gb&amp;qid=1563840117&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=ddr4+&amp;sr=8-12
Edit: more context
$250 budget means you can also go for this one which I read good things about.
$240 Viewsonic
https://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-XG2401-24-inch-Response-FreeSync/dp/B01A0ZRR50
$250 LG
https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-24GM77-B-24-Inch-LED-Lit/dp/B00P0EOX1S
I've also looked at:
$200 AOC https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI
I read that the AOC one has driver issues? Not sure if they're fixed.Install beta drivers for full freesync range.$170 ACER http://www.costco.com/Acer-XF240H-24%22-Full-HD-Monitor-with-AMD-FreeSync.product.100316061.html
This is the best deal I've seen.
Ive been saving for this Black Friday & Cyber Monday to get the ASUS ROG Crosshair 8 Hero and the AMD Ryzen 9 3900 65-watt TDP (If it ever comes out) and if it doesnt, Im gonna be forced to get the AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
Paired with 128-GB DDR4 RAM at 3200-MHz :)
This is the case its going into:
Thats gonna be my New Years 2020 Computer Build :)
If you can add some money, buy this monitor instead which has FreeSync and is 144Hz.
Otherwise, if you can't spend 50$ more, check out this and this.
Don't buy a non-freesync monitor.
As for the 480, no it won't overheat, the node202 has a big grill right where the fan is, so it can take as much air as it wants. MOreover, since it's a blower style card, the volume of the case doesn't affect the cooling (cold air is taken by the fan and hot air is spit right out of the case through the rear. Hot air doesn't remain in the case)
Good for the rest ;)
This Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz is probably the best bang for buck (97$).
I am keeping an eye on that one and the Dominator 3200MHz just in case it goes on sale ( I have seen it for 129$). But not buying anything until after Zen gets released. Just to make sure it's compatible and stuff.
You're not doing yourself any favors with the slow 15CAS DDR4 you chose - it's straight garbage that will noticeably impact performance in single thread intensive games (intel's strength). Get smoked by AMD and enjoy a free copy of Deus Ex while your at it:
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor | $90.00
CPU Cooler | RAIJINTEK Pallas Black 56.5 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler | $29.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard | ASRock 970M PRO3 Micro ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard | $10.00
Memory | G.Skill Trident 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory | $51.99 @ Newegg
Storage | A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $58.97 @ NCIX US
Video Card | Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury 4GB NITRO Video Card | $309.99
Case | Apevia X-QTIS-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case | $32.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Rosewill 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $54.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $654.92
| Mail-in rebates | -$16.00
| Total | $638.92
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-09 12:15 EDT-0400 |
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https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-11247-03-40G/dp/B0196LWL3W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1473437799&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=fury+nitro
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/d86abbf8#/d86abbf8/34
I'm new to building but this monitor that I chose is the AOC G2460PF that says 144hz Dvi dual link and dp only. Does this mean I need the dual link active adapter as well? This is the Monitor.
Edit: dvi
Amazon France to the rescue. I Wish Amazon uk would get its finger out, it always lags behind the FR and DE sites.
https://www.amazon.fr/AMD-2700-8-Core-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B428M7F
https://www.amazon.fr/Gigabyte-X470-AORUS-Gaming-WIFI/dp/B07BXQHGVY
They are already selling versions of their coolers that come with AM4 brackets in the box. I got their NH-D15.
I know not everyone likes their color scheme (personally, I love it), but they make some kickass coolers and their support is on the ball.
Sorry I updated the original post to specify the exact motherboard. It is the Prime x370-A. I know the -Pro and -A have a few differences, but have noticed both have had recent bios updates, so I should still be good?
Was mainly thinking of getting this:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1538694559&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=CMK16GX4M2B3600C18
Omg finally hope Amazon CA follows through
Edit: NOPE lol went up to $320 when it’s supposed to be $270! What a joke.
https://www.amazon.ca/AMD-Ryzen-3600-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07STGGQ18/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=ryzen+3600&amp;qid=1562787821&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1
This sale!
Now on the performance side. AMD promised they will keep the AM4 platform for 4 years, so there should be an upgrade path in the future. The CPU is soldered so you don't have to worry about thermal paste degradation, and it performs pretty much the same as Skylake-X which just came out, costs the double, is more power hungry, and overheats easily.
like what i do is just search the actual number thats listed as the item so CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 example of your first one comes up 30 bucks cheaper on amazon US https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-TridentZ-288-Pin-3200MHz-F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK/dp/B01M1HHK3N/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK&qid=1572981987&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=CMK16GX4M2B3200C16&qid=1572982011&sr=8-2
and as for supplier i dont know on that one since memory express is canada if i remember right.
Cheapest CPU would be a 2200G APU. I know you specified non-APU, but you also said cheapest and most people aren't aware it's an option on X570.
$78 on Amazon, $84 on Newegg, $59 at Microcenter if you're one of the chosen people within range of a store.
AGESA 1.0.0.4 "B" added support for Zen based 2200G/2400G.
Same for MSI X570 boards as well as Gigabyte. ASRock notes don't explicitly state support, but as it's the same AGESA patch their beta BIOS should also function for owners of those boards looking to use one.
This RAM kit is on the QVL for your motherboard and is identified as Samsung B-die. It's rated to run at DDR4 3200 with your board. It looks like a good option to me.
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1519792508&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0134EW7G8/
Shows as $79.99 on prime right now (pretty sure I paid $114 last July when I built my 2400g machine). Had the ram at 3200 MHz since thing (work from home this is my PC for that most days) and haven't had a problem. Pretty good deal for 16 gigs that will reliably run at 3200 MHz!
3950x Live on Amazon Now - Good hunting!
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3950X-32-Thread-Processor/dp/B07ZTYKLZW/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Would this be better? I’ve built a few machines but I’m not an overclocker. This kind of specific hardware is over my head.
[this a better option?](Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8-y-BbVWSVWYN)
https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphic-Cards-RX-VEGMTBFX6/dp/B074DK6NHQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1509936012&amp;sr=1-2&amp;keywords=vega+64
https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphic-Cards-RX-VEGMTSFX6/dp/B074DKD3M3/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1509936012&amp;sr=1-6&amp;keywords=vega+64
Those are very close to MSRP... guess Amazon forgot about those promo prices eh? Or maybe they didn't exist?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932001&amp;cm_re=vega_56-_-14-932-001-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131730&amp;cm_re=vega_56-_-14-131-730-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150808&amp;cm_re=vega_64-_-14-150-808-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131728&amp;cm_re=vega_64-_-14-131-728-_-Product
Looks like Newegg didn't get the memo either...
Why not both 1440p and 144hz? You can sometimes find great deals on Acer re-certified monitors for $200-$300. This is what I used with my 390x: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XG270HU-omidpx-FREESYNC-Widescreen/dp/B00VRCLHYS
Link was just for quick reference.
I have these
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0143UM4TC/
with my Vega 56 + 2700x at 1080p, is their frequency fine or any recommendations for RAM that would suit my build better?
The specific offer it was for Rx 570 for $105 and its out of stock.
Its still available for other cards like rx590
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07JQDKNXS/
and CPUs like 2600, 2600x, 2700, 2700x
https://amazon.com/dp/B07B41WS48/
I noticed that too. Still cheaper to buy this CPU from Amazon though. Works out to R4244 with the current exchange rate and includes free shipping
Edit: formatting
I just got my Noctua NH-D15-SE-AM4 through this morning. Much bigger cooler than I was expecting I was pleasantly surprised.
FYI AMAZON has it for 499
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B074DK6NHQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1502715666&amp;sr=8-7&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&amp;keywords=AMD+Vega+64&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=41rUn7%2BhtPL&amp;ref=plSrch
Looks like I am going to go with the following:
Using his r9 290, case, PSU, and hard drives, this should be a nice little upgrade for him.
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I see a Vega 64 on Amazon 499.99 and I was looking at that monitor is it good ??
XFX Radeon Rx Vega 64 8GB HBM2 3xDP HDMI Graphic Cards RX-VEGMTBFX6 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074DK6NHQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_P.W.zb0NCGNMW
I'm not your personal google. You can find them yourself if you spend half a minute looking. But you know what, since you asked so nice and all, I'll get you started.
https://www.kikatek.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Ryzen
At this point there have been 12 listings I'm aware of posted. Of those, all but a few have since been pulled from the listings by the resellers since they're not released yet, but they were viewed by hundreds of us before being pulled, and I saw several of those listings myself (The kikatek listing above, Lambdatek, ShopBLT, etc)., and in all cases the screenshots posted accurately reflect what the pricing was before being pulled.
Don't believe that?
Ok. you're right, you got us. The entire AMD subreddit is colluding to fuck with you. haha! Good jokez! :D
edit to add - or hell, even better:
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B06X3W9NGG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1487274336&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=ryzen
"Sold and shipped by amazon"
re-edit: another one pulled :)
And just as an example to demonstrate that the removed ones actually are real, google cached version of the an4 listing (since pulled):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:n6SG8aVXPgMJ:an4group.securewebstore.co.uk/product/details/amd/newly-added-products/yd170xbcaewof/1099365A+&amp;cd=18&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us
Get a Ryzen system...you dont need a new Ryzen 3000 system you can get a 2600 and board for decent prices and still have leagues better performance than what you've got currently.
Ryzen 5 2600 119 euros https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07B41WS48/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_qEftDbHJ2VQWP
MSI b450 Tomahawk 89 euros https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FQ9ZJD9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_qGftDbK43T99A
Both of those together are cheaper than your cheapest choices(214 euros for the gigabyte and 8350) so you should have some room for some RAM which you'll need to upgrade too.
Patriot Viper 16gb kit 69 euros https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0157UQ5A6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_4JftDbB2T3X0H
All of this bring your total to 277 euros which is only 6 euros more expensive than your other option of the asrock and the 8350.
I think it's time for the big upgrade ;)
For the price of a 7600k and a z series motherboard he could get a b350 and a 1700 which comes with an amazing cooler and get more peformance.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WP5YCX6/
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16813157763
So for anyone wondering, I bought the AOC G2460PF. I got it due to it having speakers built in, a USB hub, and a headphone jack on it. It also uses DP which I found nice since some of the other monitors I looked at didn't even have DP and justr used dual link DVI, and seeing as how I have a reference RX 480 there is no DVI, just 3 HDMI and 1 DP. Thanks everyone!
My build is mainly for lightroom/photoshop.
For the moment I got:
What I'm missing:
You could get away with one for a while but the 3700x will last longer with more cores. I like the PSU choice but that memory is way overpriced for what it is - https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
Will this RAM work fine with 3600X and B450 Tomahawk MAX?
Does the whole "B-Die/E-Die vs Hynix-Die" still matters, or will it work fine?
I was personally originally looking at Acer XG27 b/c less $$ than BenQ. But, then switched back to looking at 1080 monitors b/c honestly didn't think consistent 60 fps was achievable in AAA games on an r9 390 (p.s. sorry again, I know I'm not helping with your problem)
$210 for a 144hz and $130 for a 75hz (at 144hz-30hz and 75hz-47hz range respectively), but I'd highly recommend getting an IPS panel for media over a freesync panel of the same price.
this is exactly what I have
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0134EW7G8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1
how much performance am I leaving on the table just leaving it at 2133mhz ?
I ask because turning xmp on which (I think) is an auto overclock type thing makes the system unable to boot. The owners manual is not very clear on a lot of things. They number the ram slots weird and instruct you to install the sticks in the incorrect slots. I also cannot seem to locate a pin for the fancy cpu fan lighting. Nothing on the board matches the cable coming out of it.
oh and I have the newest bios for it (F7)
thanks for your response btw
you see, the car CAN be red it just currently ISN'T, what a pathetic argument lol. as I said, you didn't understand the analogy AT ALL ...
I didn't ask for examples? I mean how you be so very stupid to write such bullshit when all you had to do is scroll up and read again, but hey laziness always trumps correctness:
>besides, what performance does AMD advertise on their box because you said you buy performance not clock speed...
See, so easy, took me 10 seconds.
Where are the performance metrics used to advertise this product?
Why can't I find any performance metrics for this product but clock speeds on every single page?
Them being out of stock instantly does very much mean they flew of the shelves because they are not on the shelves anymore lol. Holy fuuuck.
Do you not know how to read that chart you linked? Released October 2011 and market share actually went up Q4 2011.
Q3 26.60% -> Q4 27.80%
Same shit happened one year later, where AMD was rocking the higher buzzword number (frequency/core) again.
Really dude you are way out of your league here.
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more links for ryzen directly from AMD without any performance advertising and instead current buzzword number (cores)
even moar
Okay well I did the math anyways;
1600x scores ~1368 in multithreading and costs 231 euros. Which give it a score of 5.9 from your chart.
The 1600 gets ~1258 in mulithreading and costs 199 euros, getting a score of 6.32.
This was done assuming amazon.de prices include VAT, but if they don't and you need to add 19% on top, you still get 5.31 for the 1600 and 4.98 for the 1600x putting them both above 1700 anyways.
is this one from the new generation already?
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1523936024&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=Ryzen%E2%84%A2+5+2600&amp;dpID=41jGOgW83TL&amp;preST=_SX300_QL70_&amp;dpSrc=srch
is it much better than 1600?
I've been running this RAM at 3200MHz, stable, since 1.2 actually. Been using A-XMP Profile 2. Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
The RAM version is 5.39.
I haven't tried the latest 1.4 BIOS yet, but I'll do so tonight. [Edit: Updated to 1.4 and I'm still stable at 3200MHz]
Really interested in the X370 killer/ac or B350 Gaming K4 now. Can you get a full 3200MHz ram speed with those if I were to purchase something like these? Is the ram speed issue something that will be fixed down the road with further bios updates?
Why not both: AOC G2460PF 24-Inch Free Sync Gaming LED Monitor, Full HD (1920 x 1080), 144hz, 1ms https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_fIKJxbT7PH9T0
Funnily enough amazon.co.uk has had 3900x in stock for the last few days https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-Processor-Cache/dp/B07SXMZLP9/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=3900x&qid=1562781304&s=gateway&sr=8-1&th=1
is this good?
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:--CUulsgY1MJ:https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Ryzen-3900x-Cache-Wraith/dp/B07SXMZLP9+&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=de&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=de
Try this link, it will show a higher price because it’s cached and it’s an old page but you can add it to your basket and it will show the lowered price !
Edit: Even these links don't work anymore. You can only now purchase if you had the item saved in your basket.
Amazon UK links are up.
Ryzen 9 3900X
Ryzen 7 3800X
Ryzen 7 3700X
Ryzen 5 3600X
Ryzen 5 3600
Ryzen 3 3400G
Ryzen 3 3200G
FYI if you install their app for the first time there's a link on the front page to claim a £10 off discount.
Just bought a 3700X for £309.99.
Maybe you can order it on amazon . They say it will ship within 1-2 months and probably will honor the price
I would consider https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI?ie=UTF8&amp;ref_=gbps_tit_s-3_8062_083f2799&amp;smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER along with a 480. You'd enjoy that 144hz freesync for only $410 total
Good find!
Indeed, Ryzen 1700X is $220 at Amazon.
Good find! I'm still looking for the 1700.
Found it: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-YD1700BBAEBOX-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B06WP5YCX6/ref=bdl_pop_ttl_B06WP5YCX6
ryzen 3 2200g is also on stock :)
https://www.amazon.es/AMD-Ryzen-2200G-Procesador-Stealth/dp/B079D3DBNM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1518194730&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=ryzen+3+2200g
If you don't need SLI you could probably get by with a cheaper board.
Right now the 1700 is only $40 more expensive than the 1600x... The 1700s also seem to overclock a little better than the 1600s.
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Cooler-YD1700BBAEBOX/dp/B06WP5YCX6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499903012&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=1700
https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-AB350-GAMING-K4-Motherboard/dp/B06WWC7C1D/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499903001&amp;sr=1-4&amp;keywords=b350
R7 1700 w/ Wraith Cooler..
I flaired this as Sale since it looks like so far that Amazon is the only major retailer to have lowered the prices..
Amazon.de lists 6 as available from a Store in Italy. They are heavily overpriced at 1100€ but they are in stock.
Please don’t buy them so they drop prices
link
For the 3700X
I think Amazon.de had it in stock on saturday. Some people pre-ordered it using a "cached" page on Saturday. And my guess is that this action finished all the Stock. (There is a reddit discussion about these pre-orders). Amazon got probably hundreds of pre-orders confirmed with shipping this week.
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Then Amazon.it (which opened a page I think on saturday or friday) ended without stock (probably they were gone through amazon.de) and today still they don't accept orders
Amazon.es today added the 3700X, they accept orders, but with 1-2 months shipping, which is crazy.
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I personally got it from an Spanish Online store (that competes with Amazon in PC Hardware) for 361.9€ + 3.26€ shipping - 5€ google pay promotion. So in total 360.85€ with shipping. I ordered it yesterday ( 07/07/2019 04:50 CET) and should be delivered on Thursday. Orders from today, deliver on Friday/Monday. (PCComponentes is the store)
So I'm hope everything is fine and there are no delays.
Or better yet for $21 dollars more the 2700X
Go cheap on a $25 Rosewill case and upgrade to a $78 2200G, and get likely better graphics and CPU performance, while still staying right at that ~$250 price point.
I have some good news, Ryzen 1700/1700X/1800X are now available on Amazon.it:
Ryzen 7 1700 379,90€
Ryzen 7 1700X 459,90€
Ryzen 7 1800 X 574,90€
Better deal - 1700X @ $299 today only (Prime Day)
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-1700X-Processor-YD170XBCAEWOF/dp/B06X3W9NGG/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499798906&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=1700x
AOC-G2460PF 24" is another good option.
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=NHX0YQCV9NTDHD1BCTMM
Alright, thanks. I was checking out the bundles they've got for it, and they have an msi mobo with it here. I still really dont know much about motherboards, but so far I've chosen an Asus B350-f. Do you have any idea which would be more suited for my needs?
Cheapest one I could find. Maybe the 1440p Freesync market needs to mature a little.
Usually ships between 2 to 3 days... Let's see if that's true.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZTYKLZW
Shhh I don't want to blow it up lol here you go AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXMZLPJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_PVvjDbQSVNTC7
Link for those possibly interested: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07ZTYKLZW?ref=em_1p_0_ti&amp;ref_=pe_2515271_197852661
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SQBFN2D
Promotion should be under promotions on desktop, and under special offers on mobile.
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SQBFN2D?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_2528920011
The 3600x seems to be sold by an AMD authorized resellet at MSRP if anyone is interested.
For 269$ yes it is https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WP5YCX6
It is £502, what you posted is from an obscure seller that ships from Italy, this is directly from amazon (though it is via Amazon US but you don't have to deal with other sellers and it's cheaper).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-Processor-Cache/dp/B07SXMZLP9/ref=zg_bs_430515031_14?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3BN4P6YRFM0FGSSAEW3T
Also newegg UK (still ships from the US but it is a reputable retailer) : £514
https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Description=3900x&cm_re=3900x-_-19-113-103-_-Product
Links from a few sites here.
In amazon apply the "BIGTHANKS" promo code for a $8.62 discount (Only today Feb 2)
Amazon R7 1800x
Amazon R7 1700x
Amazon R7 1700
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Microcenter R7 1800x
Microcenter R7 1700x
Microcenter R7 1700
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Newegg CPUs & Mobos
Newegg R7 1800x
Newegg R7 1700x
Newegg R7 1700
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Newegg Canada R7 1800x
Newegg Canada R7 1700x
Newegg Canada R7 1700
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NCIX CPUs & Mobos
NCIX R7 1800x
NCIX R7 1700x
NCIX R7 1700
If you are going to go at the low end PC "low budget" take advantage of low price on sale that are going to start, example:
- Check CPU price on amazon for a reference:
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189
Do you see the Ryzen 3 2200G APU (CPU+GPU) at this time is at ~89$?
Or the Athlon 200GE ~59$?
- Check MoBo price:
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-Motherboards/zgbs/pc/1048424/ref=zg_bs_nav_pc_4_229189/140-5590597-4965200
Do you see the GIGABYTE GA-A320M-S2H MoBo at this time for ~50$
As you can see you can get all from ~110$ to ~140$ ( CPU + GPU + MoBo )!? :)
Yep, even in Spain we have them
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here in 4-5 days
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https://www.pccomponentes.com/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-39ghz-box
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In amazon.es in 2 or 3 weeks
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https://www.amazon.es/AMD-Ryzen-3800X-Procesador-disipador/dp/B07SXMZLPJ/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=amd+3800x&qid=1562667823&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Yep I see it, https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07SXMZLPJ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=hoosierhardware-20&linkId=e82c6ba47f715b6a4bb5e6d008ce9e63&language=en_US
Use this link.
well.. if you really want it... https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B07SQBFN2D/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&amp;condition=new go under other seller and it's by Amazon.com. Cheaper too at $248.50, the Amazon discount!
Yet they have the 3600x @ 249.
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SQBFN2D/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?keywords=amd+3600x&amp;qid=1562549530&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=AMD+3600&amp;sr=8-14
Amazon has had a very weird day today.
Edit: the one you linked isn't sourced by Amazon, so that 3rd party is just milking prices.
You'll know when everyone else does, just like the 50 other posts asking the same thing.
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-24-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLP9
Seems like it's overpriced in Canada then. Selling for 327CAD:
https://www.amazon.ca/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B428M7F/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=2700x&amp;qid=1563198728&amp;s=gateway&amp;smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&amp;sr=8-1
It’s on amazon right now from a third party sell. Seller is selling them at msrp and seems to be legit. Second link the op had lost of contact with the seller
amazon
OP Contacted Seller
found a working link for the3800xokay it only works if i go to CachedView.com, put in this:
https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Ryzen-3800x-Cache-Wraith/dp/B07SXMZLPJ/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&amp;keywords=3800x+amd&amp;qid=1562017903&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-2
and press enter.
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i just preordered a 3800X :P
Would this RAM work okay? https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0134EW7G8?th=1
I dont know where your getting your prices but try Amazon. £110-£120 for a 2600. https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=amd+2600&qid=1565524682&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Amazon looks to still have stock of the Ryzen 5 3600X if you look under available sellers one is Amazon itself.
For french/belgian/luxembourg people (they don't send elsewhere I think) 315€ https://www.rueducommerce.fr/produit/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-3-6-ghz-27925378#moid:MO-2F0DEM67860776
1700X for 233€ for Amazon Prime members (I don't know if Prime is global across all amazon websites) : https://www.amazon.fr/AMD-Ryzen-1700X-Processeur-Socket/dp/B06X3W9NGG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1511086481&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=1800x&amp;dpID=31mwGle0-XL&amp;preST=_SX300_QL70_&amp;dpSrc=srch
Amazon USA link for 3900x
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SXMZLP9
Also see the AMD Amazon store front for all the links
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/09DCAE89-ECF8-4F1C-8964-F62016A14699
I got this 144Hz freesync monitor for $200 and it works very well. I think the cheapest G-sync monitors are around $400, so definitely something to consider.
3700x looks like it's in stock on Amazon from a reseller.
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07SXMZLPK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
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Cancelled my amazon order and ordered there. 15 quid more but whatever.
He’s telling the truth. 3600x
Good deal again by Newegg, Amazon has it too but 350$
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-11247-03-40G/dp/B0196LWL3W/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1469887286&amp;sr=1-6&amp;keywords=r9+fury
Ok go there https://www.amazon.com/AMD-YD180XBCAEWOF-Ryzen-1800X-Processor/dp/B06W9JXK4G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1488060235&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=1800x and preorder now for 650$, hashtag just do it
Yeah, the guy at the store "looked" it up on the qvl list for me. Serves me right for not doing enough research on my own I guess.
Is this the ram you have? https://www.amazon.ca/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-PC4-25600-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC
The 1800X is available from Amazon (which will arrive sooner) just FYI
EDIT: Appears unavailable now / showing a two product combination. :|
Well you could get a Freesync 1080 or 1440P 144hz monitor for relatively cheap
1440P $403
1080P $235
Its this kit and the timings are showing up as 16-17-17-35, which I believe is the advertised timings as well.
and then... spain Pccomponentes 215
Amazon 210
Edit: for 160€ here you get... well, r1400
He doesn't go through the whole list at all. Probably because that would go against his claim. Many of them have Freesync listed on amazon page and/or manufacturers product page.
Below monitors were on the full list and links all have Freesync brand listed:
Acer XFA240
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/CA/content/model/UM.FX0AA.004
Acer XG270HU
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XG270HU-27-inch-FREESYNC-Widescreen/dp/B00VRCLHYS
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/UM.HG0AA.001
Acer XV273K
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/AU/content/model/UM.HX3SA.P02
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XV273K-Pbmiipphzx-Compatible-DisplayHDR400/dp/B07MQBDY91
Acer XZ321Q
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-bmijpphzx-FreeSync-Compatible-Monitor/dp/B07Q6GHM4V
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/UM.JX1AA.003
AOC AG241QG4
https://eu.aoc.com/en/gaming-monitors/ag241qx
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-AG241QX-Adaptive-Sync-DisplayPort-QuickSwitch/dp/B01NCTHS6E
aoc g2590fx
https://eu.aoc.com/en/gaming-monitors/g2590fx
Asus MG278Q
https://www.asus.com/Monitors/MG278Q/
Asus XG248Q
https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/ROG-Strix-XG248Q/
Asus VG258Q
https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VG258Q/
ASUS ROG Strix XG258Q
https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ROG-Strix-XG258Q/
Asus VG278Q
https://www.amazon.com/VG278Q-G-Sync-Compatible-Adaptive-Monitor/dp/B074JLD4HZ
https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VG278Q/
Benq XL2740
https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-Response-Equalizer-Adjustable-XL2740/dp/B076PMRRKG
https://zowie.benq.com/en/product/monitor/xl/xl2740.html
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Some other monitors from different manufacturers on nvidia's g-sync compatible list:
AOPEN 27HC1R
https://www.amazon.com/27HC1R-Pbidpx-27-inch-Compatible-Monitor/dp/B07LCFXV41
Dell s2419hgf
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Gaming-Monitor-response-FreeSync/dp/B07MB7WT39
HP 25mx
https://www.amazon.com/HP-FullHD-FreeSync-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B07JZ8LZZH/
https://store.hp.com/CanadaStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=4JF31AA&opt=ABA&sel=MTO&lang=en-CA
Razor Raptor 27
https://www.razer.com/gaming-monitors/razer-raptor-27
> corsair lpx 3000cl15
are you referring to these on amazon? https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3000MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0134EW7G8?th=1
I thought that but the order says "sold by: Amazon EU S.a.r.L".
Must be their own internal stock: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07SXMZLPJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1
Seems sold out, Newegg has it but they charge 3.99 shipping
Amazon link https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B428M7F/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sA32AbRK1G17Y
Newegg
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16819113499
If you want stronk IPS: https://www.amazon.com/Dell-SE2717HX-RVJXC-Full-Monitor/dp/B01LXTK4T6/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
If you want 144 Hz:
Either this: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XF240H-bmjdpr-24-inch-FreeSync/dp/B01DHTWZRQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1482965114&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=144+hz+freesync+monitor
or this: https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1482965114&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=144+hz+freesync+monitor
It isn't worth it at MSRP but it currently costs $329 on Amazon and includes 2x $60 games (although I believe outer worlds is on gamepass).
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXMZLPJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_OT73Db605NHHP
It's possible to order the 2200G using the same trick, as well:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ajAZib7MEeAJ:https://www.amazon.com/AMD-YD2200C5FBBOX-Processor-Radeon-Graphics/dp/B079D3DBNM+&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us
I pre-ordered one myself. Planning to do a little HTPC for around $300.
Thanks for the comprehensive answer. To answer your questions, PCIEV4 is not important for my workload, and my VM work does not make use of any intel specific technologies.
Load power isnt really an issue for me, my PSU is an EVGA 850G2 so i not too fussed about load power. Now you mention the motherboards, that is an issue that Ill have to concider. I dont have another chip to update the bios with so that makes things more dificult.
Here is the pricing 2700x £191 3700x £312 and the 3600x is 222
Yes, actually, just now. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZTYKLZW
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The site still says currently unavailable but I could order by clicking the part that had a price listed.
AOC G2460PF
It's $210 for 1080p144hz freesync and the viewing angles aren't half bad either.