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u/viviphilia · 3 pointsr/GenderCynical

While that paper is great for its solid rejection of TERFism, it is still very problematic for its implicit transphobia. However, instead of talking about that I'd rather talk about this:

Costello says:

>When someone presents a surgery as mutilating, trans advocates may immediately attack them as transphobic. This is very alienating to intersex people, and it is time for a more sophisticated approach. What trans people need to do is shift from arguing that hormonal treatment and genital surgery are lifesaving wonders that are never misapplied, to talking about a fight only for positive interventions into bodily sex, and never for negative ones.

A week before he posted his paper I posted the following on /r/CriticalGender:

>Another problem with "female genital mutilation" instead of "child genital mutilation" is that intersex children all over the world are still having their genitals operated on at a very young age without providing informed consent. It's easier to dig a hole than to build a pole, so an intersex boy with a micropenis might have his genitalia removed/reconstructed at a very young age without being asked.

>This issue of intersex children needs greater visibility. Since transsex people are currently in the spotlight, we can assist our intersex friends by bringing up this intersection.

>All of these practices which ignore the principle of informed consent should be abandoned - except for in cases where there is a genuine medical need.

  • On child genital mutilation and informed consent

    You can imagine how I was literally banging my head against a wall after reading Costello's paper. Yes, it is time for a more sophisticated approach. And I posted a more sophisticated approach a week before he called for it.

    Focusing on the issue of informed consent and medical autonomy is more sophisticated than "positive interventions" and "never negative ones." If Costello has read "Critical Intersex" he should already know that the doctors who do those surgeries believe that they are "positive interventions." So Costello's rhetoric is ineffective.

    The common theme here, for both transsex and other intersex people, is denial of informed consent and medical autonomy. When intersex children are subjected to surgery without their informed consent, it is a denial of their medical autonomy. When trans people are unable to get surgery for our well-established medical condition of sex dysphoria, it is a denial of our informed consent and our medical autonomy. To correct both of these problems we need to advocate for informed consent and medical autonomy. People need to be able to make their own informed decisions about receiving or not receiving genital surgery, whether it is waiting until a child is old enough, or giving the surgery to a trans person who asks for it.

    In addition to being right about TERFism, Costello is correct about something else. The trans community can't be bothered with this topic. I know because it's the primary focus of my activism. And as well known as I am, I get little to no support for my efforts. So yeah, if I seem like I'm angry, that's why.

    To the few people reading this who were aware of how I felt about this paper when it came out, I can't thank you enough for the support you gave me at that time. I really did intend to quit my activism and you gave me the support I needed to get back on track.
u/Mr_Conductor_USA · -4 pointsr/GenderCynical

Yeah I read the wiki link. Did you? Not only does the top summary avoid stating that it is only a strain within socialism ("e.g." does not mean the same thing as "i.e.", pro-tip, and "left-wing" in the US does not mean "Socialist") but they link this group in "see also":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Freedom_Caucus

who are Democratic politicians.

I don't care who invented the term "libertarian" since I am talking about the US libertarian movement in the 1990s.

You are trying to shift a conversation about how American citizens see themselves and others in the political spectrum to a discussion of word usage among academic political theorists.

You like academic theory so try this 1975 publication on for size. Seminal work in what later became known as "left libertarian" thought, which is less an appropriation directly from socialist terminology and more a statement of affiliation with libertarian ideas about "victimless crimes" while repudiating libertarian ideas about taxes, property, race, etc.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=15304

It's available as an Amazon e-book. Cited 84 times.

On a more popular level, there were a lot of books like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Aint-Nobodys-Business-You-Consensual/dp/192976717X

u/YeahIdunknow · 11 pointsr/GenderCynical

I think you mean the Swedish model?

https://www.amazon.com/Everythings-Better-than-Hooker-Ovidie/dp/B079MJ6LXR

You might want to take a look at this documentary if you think that's such a great model.

The problem with how the law here is formed in regards to pimping is that landlords are not allowed to take money from sex workers, which means they get evicted. It also means that sex workers can not work together to make things safer.

u/Ninatryst · 6 pointsr/GenderCynical

Thank you! It's nice to know somebody put in the work to read the damn thing!

I totally feel your frustration. Even so, I've actually had some success convincing people to back off the hate and even change their views in interpersonal conversations. It's not easy to face that stuff online, and it's even more difficult in meatspace, but I've found that the best way to confront it is by using nonviolent communication principles. If your interlocutor gets too rowdy, that's sometimes even more persuasive than good arguments to any surrounding audience. The disparity from their aggravated behavior and your own calm, empathetic demeanor becomes inescapably stark, and most people don't really want to align themselves with someone they see is acting unfairly and erraticaly. And there's power in numbers.

Changing minds on a larger scale though...that's unfortunately a longer, more difficult process. But don't get too discouraged! Change is absolutely possible. It's already happening.

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u/fareven · 4 pointsr/GenderCynical

Frank Herbert's The White Plague tells a story of a plague that specifically targets XX women.

u/rSkeptek · 5 pointsr/GenderCynical

I decided to look up the book she wrote on Amazon to get a better feel for the situation. The critical reviews certainly paint an interesting picture:

https://www.amazon.com/Rescuing-Julia-Twice-Overcoming-Attachment/product-reviews/1613746784/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewpnt_rgt?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=critical&reviewerType=avp_only_reviews&sortBy=recent

This review in particular stood out to me:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1PRPYVYHXTPSV/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1613746784

The reviews describe a mother has no idea how to raise a child--had never even held a child before, made several disastrous mistakes in the wake of the adoption that would compromise the child's ability to bond, is intensely neurotic, narcissistic and inept, and blames all of her child's behavioral issues on him and the "RAD" label she arbitrarily slapped him with (he's not even professionally diagnosed) instead of looking at how she contributed to the problem, or how she may be pathologizing normal childhood behavior and blowing it out of proportion...definitely not impossible for someone who knows nothing about children.

Why am I not surprised.

(Even more critique here: https://redthreadbroken.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/tina-traster-a-k-a-tina-travesty/

...really seems like the internet doesn't like this mother, and for good reasons.)

u/nocte_lupus · 29 pointsr/GenderCynical

Eugh my dad signed up to the Christian Institute ages ago, I think he was after a Bible study course with them or something and they love to send their bs through the door from time to time. (But at the same time my dad also brought this like really terrible book that had transgendertrends input called 'What are they teaching the children')

Like it's the sort of peal clutching you'll expect CHRISTIANS ARE UNDER ATTACK, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS UNDER ATTACK, DON'T TREAT CHILDREN ABOUT THE GAYS, NO ABORTIONS, WE CAN'T MAKE DIVORCE EASIER