(Part 3) Top products from r/entp

It's a good question - a lot of people just assume they can't ever be rich.

No you don't need to get a degree. You don't need to get a high-paying job. You don't need to be Elon Musk unless we're talking billionaire rich.

Making money is about delivering value at scale. Either deliver a little bit of value to a lot of people, or deliver a lot of value to a few people. Or do both to rake it in - but this is usually harder.

The most accessible way to deliver value at scale is by building a business.

You also need to figure out why you want to be rich and what kind of rich. Do you want to build a massive empire and make hundreds of millions or does making a couple of million a year and getting to travel whenever you want sound better?

The basic steps are pretty simple. You've got to start by reprogramming your brain a fair bit. Rich people - especially entrepreneurs, don't think about the world in the same way as most people do. More on how to do this later.

After that you'll want to start exploring the opportunities open to you at the moment. There are lots of business models you can replicate and do really well with - you don't need to start completely from scratch and build something the world has never seen before. You would not believe the ridiculously niched business models people make stupid money from. Example - I know a guy who built an online health and safety testing form for oil rig workers that was making $20,000 a month.

When you're starting out it's a good idea to keep things simple and use it as a way to build your skills. You don't want to be trying to build the next Facebook while trying to learn the basics of business. You're probably not as smart as Mark Zuckerberg.

The point is you have to keep learning and learning and learning. You know the business section of the book store you've probably never looked at? Pick the right books and you can pretty much learn anything.

You've been fed a lot of bullshit your whole life - so you need to read:

BOOKS FOR REPROGRAMMING YOUR HEAD

• The 4-Hour Work Week by Tim Ferriss
  It's pretty incredible how many successful people I've spoken to in the last few years have said something along the lines of "well it all started when I read the 4-Hour Work Week...". This is a great book that will give you a huge mindset adjustment and also a bunch of practical ideas and case studies of what you can do.
  
  
• The Millionaire Fastlane by MJ Demarco Yeah the book title sucks. But it's gold. MJ has quite a different approach to Tim Ferriss - so that's why I put it here. It's good to get multiple perspectives. The first hundred or so pages rip traditional thinking on wealth as well as guru advice to pieces - it's pretty funny.
  
  
• The Richest Man in Babylon by George S. Clason This is a quick and easy read but it's got some great core lessons.
  
  Those will give you a good start. Once you've picked something to work on, you'll want to start reading up on learning sales, mindset, strategy, mindset, business management, mindset and some more mindset. If you jump in you'll quickly find the hardest thing about business is usually dealing with yourself.
  
  Hit me up if you take action on this and I'll be happy to recommend where to go next :)
  
  

No problem at all :)

I don't work in consulting, although I have some friends who do. I'm also not sure exactly what part of your "natural predisposition" you're most concerned about. However, I will note the following:

1. My friends who do work in consulting and are successful at it work very, very hard - think 70+ hour weeks and constant traveling, which is exciting at the beginning but really wears you down over time. I'd say to start "practicing" your stamina for working long hours now, because it is a skill. You have to be sort of used to it already in order to avoid feeling suffocated when you actually start working those hours.
   
   
2. Get good at self-promotion and networking. Don't be afraid to move into the consulting world with a personality and an (informed) opinion about things. I've seen a lot of junior-level people become very successful because they started an interesting blog, or (funnily enough) because they have a popular Twitter account. It may sound a little hokey, but it tends to be what reels clients in. Don't be afraid of being a little self-aggrandizing. It's tough to walk the line between being a little more confident than is usually acceptable in polite society and not being obnoxious, but the most successful people I know manage to do it. Basically, think about self-branding.
   
   
3. DO show up to industry/networking events and especially conferences. If you can something wrangle your academic thesis (or whatever other project you happen to be working on) into a speaking engagement, even if it's for free and even if you have to pay to get there, do it. You'll have something extra attractive to show on your resume. I used to help organize these types of industry conferences and the uni kids who showed up often made a LOT of connections - companies liked that they were taking the initiative to really engage with ongoing issues in the industry instead of just approaching things from a theoretical perspective.
   
   
4. Don't be afraid to take risks. I realize that's very generalized advice, but you have to have an appetite for risk to succeed as a consultant. I'm... somewhat in the risk-management business, so my job is to anticipate where things will go wrong; therefore, my way of thinking tends to be quite risk-averse. However, the top people in my field (and really in any field) tend to be risk-takers. They tend to say yes before they say no, even when the idea seems ludicrous.
   
   
5. If you haven't already, read Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman (it won the Nobel Prize for Economics several years ago). It's a fascinating book about decision-making. I've always liked Nassim Nicholas Taleb's little spiel about it in this article.
   
   
6. Perhaps difficult for ENTPs, but don't just think about where you want to be in 5 years - find the person you'd like to be in 10 years and try to learn from what they did. In high-pressure jobs like consulting, the 5-year mark tends to be full of miserable people who are unsure whether they want to continue, which may skew your perception of the field (especially when you're just starting out). At the 10-year mark, people have really settled into their roles and found some real success and accumulated some real wisdom. You have to have a long-term plan.
   
   
7. Probably obvious, but pick up technical skills and certifications, especially those that other people may not have. Try to become the "go-to" person for an emerging topic. (For me personally, something that's very much emerging in my industry is AI and blockchain technology/cryptocurrencies. It's not a bad niche to hit as a young person entering the industry, as the old people tend not to know what the hell all the hype is about, but they can smell the potential and the money.)
   
   
8. Figure out what you can do to bring value to the company or client compared to other people. One of my closest friends is an executive consultant at a Big 4 consulting firm. She got her foot in the door about 10 years ago because she managed to convince the hiring personnel that, despite being younger and less experienced than everyone else interviewing, she would work harder than all of them to prove her worth. This is still very much part of her approach and she's great at winning contracts because she always does her research, not only on the prospective client, but also on the competition. If other firm says they'll do X, she'll convince the prospective client how her company is going to do them one better by doing Y.
   
   That's all I can think of off the top of my head - hopefully some of that was helpful!
   
   (P.S. Sorry about the formatting; I have no idea why it's fucked.)

I'm reading a very interesting and pretty relevant to this book called The Underground Girls of Kabul. It's about a phenomenon in Afghanistan where if a family has no sons, they sometimes decide to dress a daughter up as a boy and pretend she is a boy (this is called "bacha posh"). This is because in the culture of the country women are effectively seen as having no value unless they are able to bear sons, and therefore there is a lot of pressure on the family to have sons to present to the world. It's a practice that is in a lot of ways tacitly accepted, even though it seems to go against the strict gender roles of the society.



Through the author's research she found that girls who dressed up as boys during their young childhood but changed back before puberty seemed to adapt to womanhood just fine. However, women who for whatever reason went through puberty while remaining a boy, and only "changed back" to being women at say, age 20, it seemed they could never fully adapt to being "natural women." They reported "feeling like a man" on the inside even when older. Of course Afghanistan is a culture with VERY strict separation of men's and women's roles, and women are even discouraged from, say, walking on the street alone, so it is a huge shift in behavior.



One of the women argues in the book that even sets of habits we think are set in stone, like gender, have all just come out of the habits we've formed and the environments we are raised in. This woman grew up learning to blend in as a boy, and then suddenly had to change that and learn to blend in as a woman. But she doesn't think she was actually predisposed to either behavior set, that it was all based on context. And there is a good amount of research to support that nurture can almost "create" nature, that habits that seem natural to us are actually just formed.



Anyways, this is why I agree with the above post--you shouldn't label yourself "the kind of person that does X" because being "that kind of person" is likely very strongly a result of your environment and culture. Even in terms of something as strong as gender, and definitely in terms of habits like your fitness level. We are all more fluid than we think... we shouldn't be afraid to try removing ourselves from all context whenever we can (this is why I like long-term travel!)

I just picked this up the other day in a used bookstore and it's pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/2312-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0316098124

> That would in all likelyhood require an A.I. to drive them (given that they'd essentially be building stuff from scratch and they'd need to use the local resources available to build that stuff and also to fuel themselves, because you do require some form of energy to travel in space, though at that point, we could have some fairly exotic engines available to us).

Well it wouldn't have to be a conscious AI. When you break the problem down you're talking about a lot of separate programs that we're quite capable of making now. For example you would need collision avoidance (self-driving cars), material identification (I could write this with the right equipment to play with), 3d printing schematics (no problem), etc. With funding these problems could be solved today. It wouldn't be cheap though haha.

>I still think carrier ships would be a better solution, because it does not need any infrastructure in place and it wouldn't be too terrible in terms of cost with space elevators.

Not having to carry so much fuel would be really helpful. That's the point. A big limitation with approaching C is that you have to accelerate your fuel. And you wouldn't necessarily have to worry about acceleration if it were gradual enough. Max each boost out at 3g's or whatever the max for humans is.

>Just recently, some chaps at NASA (arguably) proved that a propellant-free engine could generate thrust, basically by using radiation to reflect it around metal containers (I forgot the actual name of it, unfortunately). That would require nothing more than just available energy which could be acquired with very efficient solar panels and nuclear fusion.

This has yet to be replicated. I really hope it is though!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_vacuum_plasma_thruster

> The issue remains - no matter how fast you are moving, you are still moving slower than light. And we are talking many light-years of distance here. Also, as I previously mentioned, accelerate too fast and you have issues with people dieing from the effects of acceleration itself.

True! But 20 years beats 1000. 20 years is doable. 1000 seems like too much risk exposure to me. Again though we could send robot incubators and wet-nurses to seed a suitable planet with humans.

Im INFJ, but I had a similar experience actually. Took me a while to really understand the enneagram, with the help of this book, a few events I went to, and talking about it with my ENTP boyfriend. I’d check out the wisdom of the enneagram if you’re interested:)

The Wisdom of the Enneagram: The Complete Guide to Psychological and Spiritual Growth for the Nine Personality Types https://www.amazon.com/dp/0553378201/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_9VDIAb3KJCTX6

Not a psychologist (even better imo, a psychiatrist) but Games People Play by Eric Berne, M.D. is the best book I've ever read about the lowest level of human social interaction.

If anyone here is interested in human social interaction explained in a very Ti way, (by a brilliant INFJ) this book is absolutely a must-read.

Here's the thing, though. Most famous writers don't have great discipline. Earlier this year I read a book called Daily Rituals: How Artists Work. Some of the writers in the book were organized, but some also went on methamphetamine-fueled writing streaks, and many simply waited for inspiration to strike.

In fact, what struck me most was the lack of a stereotypical routine. It varied from artist to artist. And each artist's routine reflected his or her personality. The ones who were naturally more rigid had more rigid routines. The ones who were naturally more free-spirited—probably Ne and Ni doms—structured their lives to give them lots and lots of free time so their ideas could simmer and they could write when inspiration struck.

>However, the only way a book can train Ti is if it somehow teaches you to reason differently.

u/lightfive addressed it already, but I have no idea how you reached this conclusion. Reading teaches you to think. Personally, my Te is nonexistent, but I can still make a living editing books. My Ne helps me see the big picture of the narrative, and my Ti helps me enforce the consistency of that narrative.

Yep, it is the Frizz. That's all we need - problem solved. Close the comments.

You know what the world needs, we need to be redirecting the R&D of humanity toward developing the Magic School Bus IRL. Then our race will have truely transcended.

Would it have to run on a giant supercomputer that could calculate the rearangement of space-time itself so we could manipulate the scales of all mass? - likely. But that would be the kind of world I would want to live in.

Also, I would hazard a guess that the Frizz her self is a genius, so we ought to start on some eugenic explorations of breeding super ENTP-Matriarchs to head the project of the supercomputer Magic School Bus. So we might have to accept cloning and some other eugenic practice into the zietgeist. I think Ill start seeding Ideas now.

Related Reading:https://www.amazon.ca/Sea-Full-Stars-Jack-Chalker/dp/0345394860/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Sea+is+Full+of+Stars&qid=1555859804&s=books&sr=1-1-catcorr

The Frizz is our last hope to shore up humanity against the oncoming reign and swarm of envitable Ruling Class AI. We need to pull together on this.

An upvote for me is an Upvote for Generation FRIZZLE (AKA GenFrizz)

This book is good. It gets quite repetitive, but it is exciting and it certainly makes me want to work for Ideo.

Yeah there's four books all together.

I also highly recommend this and also this which is more encyclopedic and hence terse, but still a very excellent read.

Yeah, I hear you. I also had my fair share of awful high school teachers.

As for Feynman, he is indeed a great inspiration. Lately I considered buying [his three volume lectures on physics] (http://www.amazon.com/Feynman-Lectures-Physics-Set/dp/0201021153/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=) but I found it a little expensive. Fortunately it’s available online as well.

When I was married, everyone thought we were a 'power couple' -- but only a handful knew how miserable I was. One benefit to being an ENTP is that we tend to have a built in lie detector -- so we can witness genuine joy or sub-par acting.

I keep lists in a plain-text editor. One trick I learned from The Four Hour Work Week is to break everything down to 5 - 10 minute tasks. This works well for me since I respond well to marking things off a list. But you'll have to sort out which system for tracking works best for you.

If your frustration is mood related, you should check out Cognitive Behavioral Therapy -- and specifically The Feeling Good Handbook, by David D Burns. Since you're an ENTP, you might suffice with this very brief summary - http://web.mit.edu/kdrinkwa/Public/splash/cognitive_distortions.pdf

As a total long shot, I get extremely frustrated and angry if I have red food dye. Might be something to consider.

Rules for a Knight by Ethan Hawke

Also The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress and it is excellent!

Its common because if u do the 16p test, the things that make u an entp on big 5 have a correlation with the things that make u have adhd,yet that doesnt mean u need to be booth u can be entp without having adhd,and u can be ahd without being Entp, and also u can be Entp and have adhd.

Adhd have some powerful impact on people live and it actually is an advantage for some stuff.

https://www.additudemag.com/understanding-adhd-hyperfocus/

https://www.amazon.com/ADHD-Advantage-Diagnosis-Greatest-Strength/dp/0399573453

http://www.hadd.ie/article/why-people-adhd-can-be-more-successful-business

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Ill say go get hchecked, see if u ar indeed adhd, and if u ar learn to live with it, the hyperfocus is something most people cant experience and is a tool that u can use to succed in ur life.

here you go

I win.

Just don't drink too much coffee ;P

Seriously though, after college I bailed out of the US to live in China for 3 years. I definitely wasn't ready for college and would have benefited from taking some time off. Key word here is "some." Don't burn your bridges under any circumstances. Make sure the university will let you back in. Read that last part again.

Also, read Meg Jay's "The Defining Decade"
https://www.amazon.com/Defining-Decade-Your-Twenties-Matter/dp/0446561754

Seriously though, read it. I accomplished some things in my 20s, and now I'm back in school for comp sci at a top 25 university, but man do I wish I had wasted less time teaching and working in China. Retail is just about the worst job for an ENTP. It will stress the ever living hell out of you long-term. Repetitive manual labor and meanwhile you're going through an existential crisis because you don't know what you're doing with your life. Been there done that. I didn't learn anything about myself. If you're going to take some time off, make it worthwhile and travel. Do the whole backpacking round the world thing for a year. Explore to the maximum. Let that Ne roam free, feel the wind in your hair. But come back after 1 year. I have a list of the top ranked ENTP occupations based on 421,000 MBTI surveys. PM me if you're interested. Choose something and then move on with your life.

The sage has spoken. LOL.

As to the "collective" being an extension of one's self to the immediate family, I can see that, and fair enough. The rest of your explanation... well, where do I start?

You essentially agreed with me that morality is subjective, because you gave me a problem statement of : Why is stealing a car wrong? You did this with the intent of showing me that rules have to be black and white. I provided you with possible context that in my subjective opinion, would make stealing a car the ONLY morally correct thing to do. So, you contradicted yourself. Is stealing always wrong, or is ok in certain context?

The golden rule is essentially that you should treat others as you wish to be treated. I use this as my primary moral compass because I, unlike you, do not claim to know what is right or wanted by each individual. I am only aware of my stream of consciousness, desires, and moral standpoints, so again, unless explicitly informed by the individual how I should act, I revert to this as the best way to maximize good and minimize the harm I do in day to day life.

As for sexual promiscuity being morally wrong, that's just such an arbitrary value, and before I do any sort of in-depth reading on the subject, I'm going to need a lot more of a justification for doing so. I use my time to read about useful information that provides me valuable insights, not learn about all the different ways religion wants to control you due to what was put in some ancient tome. Again, tell me how sexual promiscuity is relevant at all to morality writ-large.

You shouldn't stab a baby because it creates unnecessary suffering for the infant, as well as those that care for said infant. Golden rule again. I wouldn't want someone to stab my baby, so I would not choose to inflict that pain on another individual. Now, if I could travel back in time, I would stab Hitler as a baby, and that would be the morally correct thing to do. But in most cases, you don't know whether a baby will end up committing genocide, or write awful justification for arbitrary moral codes on the internet, so I refrain.

So, you hate Jews because of what's in the text? How about the Bible's prescription for how to handle your slaves?

As an aside, you're very clearly an Fi user, and my guess would be ESFP based on the Te cherry-picking and the Fi attachment to a lot of really broad, baseless claims that do not stand up to any sort of Ti examination. Thank you for the personal attacks by the way, they make me happy.

Also, it makes me a bit unnervy when you start scapegoating Jews as morally inferior, and speak about race in regards to morality. I think I can save you some time, because I'm pretty sure this book was already written.

https://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf/dp/0395925037

Edit: Apologies to any INTJs who read that I originally typed this guy as INTJ. He's clearly a very confused ESFP as someone else pointed out in another thread (Not that all ESFPs are bad, just the Nazi ones.)