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"The Son Also Rises" by Gregory Clark. No it's not a cheap imitation of Hemingway's. It's a book written by Economic Historian Gregory Clark. His main argument is that socioeconomic mobility is much slower than expected. He uses a new method to analyze this. Specifically he uses surname analysis. Which has the advantage being able to reach back further in time. Current method only able to reach back 3-4 generations. With surnames you could trace 10-15 generations or more.

Clark found out that socioeconomic mobility is indeed very slow and largely immune to government social policy. Surnames which were elite 10-15 generations ago are still elite today although less elite than in the past. So there is indeed social mobility downward but it is slow.

Clark uses the surname analysis method for England, Sweden, India, Japan, and China. For China he has to use rare surnames only. So this means his findings is correct across all cultures, not just Western cultures.

How do we increase the rate of socioeconomic mobility? Clark said only 1 thing seem to work: exogamous marriage (marriage between SES class). Unfortunately some society discourage this practice and prefer endogamous marriage instead. He gave example India as a society which practice endogamous marriage. As a consequence he said "India is a uniquely immobile society". He doesn't see India changing anytime soon. Based on data he collected from Indian matrimonial website Brahmin still prefers to date other Brahmin. In short SES mobility is low everywhere but India's is extremely low/non-existent.

That brings me to my own observation. The Chinese-Indonesians form an economic elite. Most of the time they only marry their own (ie. endogamous marriage). This is primarily because of religion. Based on Clark's theory I predict they will remain economic elite. This one is my own prediction not Clark's

However Clark did mention similar situation as the Chinese-Indonesian which happens in Egypt among their Coptic Christian minority. The Coptic Christian is better educated and have higher income than the rest of Egypt. Clark suspect this happens because of jizya tax (ie extra tax that non-muslim must pay). Jizya tax means most of the convert to Islam were lower class families. Upper class families remain Christian. Egypt was strongly Christian before the Arab invasion. After they converted lower class Muslim families no longer intermarry with upper class Christian families. Hence the muslim stopped rising in SES. Nowadays Egypt no longer have Jizya tax BUT their religion still forbids intermarriage so the SES status of the Coptic is fossilized at the upper level.

One last thing and maybe most controversial. Clark said the mechanism with which social status is passed down from parents to offspring is suspicicously similar to genetic mechanism. Hence that's why he recommends the only sure fire way to make sure your descendants are successful is to marry successful person from successful families. So not only your spouse must be successful his/her family must also be successful. If your spouse is successful BUT her family is not then most likely she is a one-off success. But if her family is also successful then that's how you know that she comes from a long line of successful people and most likely to produce successful offspring.

All in all Clark's book remind me of Javanese saying "Bibit, Bebet, Bobot". "Bibit" means your spouse must be bibit unggul (ie comes from successful family). "Bobot" means your spouse must be successful on her own. I don't know what Bebet means. This shows once again that we still have a lot to learn from tradtiional wisdom.

Currently reading Lord of Flies, 1954 and Don Quixote, 1605.

I already have had interest on literature, philosophy and books in general since... since I can remember. :/ But it was Oom Pram's Buru Tetralogie that made me fall deeper in love with books and classic literature in general.

Then, when I have started living abroad to study, I have developed big interests on classic world literature (Heck I even just learned Latin to understand about the 1500 years span of human literatures and maybe to read them myself when I have the sufficient skills to do so. Afterall, one of my personal reasons to learn language is to read the literature on its original language, because nothing match the beauty and uniqueness of one language that may 'lost' in translation).

As a poor student with tight budget and little spare time, I tried to buy second-hand books and read it time to time, like during the commuting time to class, etc.

I know, my finished read-list is not that great. Since the last months I have just finished reading George Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm,,also Chris Hadfield's An Astronaut's Guide to Life on Earth.

My to-read-list has been reached to dozens and dozens of great titles. I try to fulfill it little by little like a small child.

I don't quite know about classic literature club or anything like that. I do realize that my interests are mostly unmainstream and heavy for my age. Thus I mostly enjoy them myself and I am quite content and happy with it. But if you want someone to discuss or talk, I can offer you a chance to geek-ly talk about that. Just drop a PM on me if you're interested and maybe we can exchange our contacts and do some 'book exchange' within each other.

P. S. Oscar Wilde's Picture of Dorian Grey is also on my to-read-list. Honestly I'm quite surprised to know that there is someone who also read literature from that time.

I know his background and I also know some of the allegations, cases, etc. I don't want to get embroiled in either trying to refute the allegations or researching more now...

But I just want to point you to this book; I've read it (just download it here) and it told me how the richest people in the world became rich (no, it's not a self-motivation book. Those books are worthless. The writer is an economist and a PhD holder) through various means that are less than... pure. The ways that Sandi got his riches were almost certainly not through that straight of a path. Still, I've met him personally a few times, I've talked with people close to him and one of them is my close friend, so suffice to say that I believe that he has integrity, at least in term of making Jakarta better and in the term of being a good, competent public servant.

>If you could learn any Bahasa Daerah, what would it be and why? I'm learning Kawi for the poetry.

I'm part Javanese and I went to Yogya for university, so I speak and understand some Javanese. Enough to get by. Learning proper Javanese for understanding Wayang and classical poetry would be cool, but it's too tough for me. I'd focus on my Mandarin instead.

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>What's are your favorite books, fic/non-fic on Indonesia in Indonesian/English/Spanish. I love Indonesian history, but moved to the U.S. before SMA, so everything since then has only been self study.

To start, I'd recommend Nusantara by Vlekke. It's not perfect, it's not complete, but it's a good start. Afterwards, perhaps you could read Indonesia, Etc. by Elisabeth Pisani to know modern-day Indonesia.

If you want to get historical, read The Indianised States of Southeast Asia by Coedes and A History of Java by Raffles. Those are very academic, so be warned.

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>If YOU had carte blanche to write the most interesting book ever on Indonesian history, what's the title/subject and why?

I'd write about the pre-Islamic period and the interaction between the Indonesian kingdoms with the rest of Asian countries such as China and India. I feel like nobody knows much about this crucial period. Heck, we even had Majapahit ambassadors go to Japan and Korea ffs, yet nobody knows this.

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>Can we be buddies? I'm on twitter and instagram and stuff.

Only on reddit. I want to remain anonymous.

Training == infer the parameters for the model, given the data. That's the learning bit basically. The idea isn't new, the stats people have been doing this for ages. It's just that in the recent two decades, computer science has somehow stumbled onto the same direction too after we realise that constructing AI by formal rules don't work well. Since you already know how to construct econometric models, you already have a headstart compared to most CS people who want to learn this stuff :P

One of the 'bible' in the field is Pattern Recognition and Machine Learning, which can be quite dense for many people. I prefer this book: Machine Learning: A Probabilistic Perspective, which is much friendlier for self-study. You can also find both books online as PDF after some searching hehe. But really the best way is doing by practice. Grab some public data and just do stuff with them. Also join this sub /r/machinelearning and /r/dataisbeautiful.

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Saturn Run describes this in a great deal, also if you like reading some sci-fi thriller, I'd recommend getting it. You can easily import it from opentrolley.co.id though.

You mean you want to understand the basics of economics?

I haven't read this particular book myself, but the "for dummies" series have always been very easy to read. So try Economics For Dummies.

Bukan di unpar tapi belajar probabilitias pake kitab ini Probability and Stochastic Processes: A Friendly Introduction for Electrical and Computer Engineers

Right now, I'm on a tour of Space Opera; Ancillary Justice before sleep, Abaddon's Gate during commute, and The Sundiver on my laptop during downtime at work. Between those 3, Abaddon's gate is the most interesting one, although it requires you to read the first two books.

I'm planning to buy Barakamon manga vol. 13 online (I will buy english translation) just comparise the price between english translation and Indonesia translation it look like that the english translation is way more expensive than Indonesia translation is this really true? (first time trying to buy online)...

The main argument just came from this book, The Monstrous Feminine, by Barbara Creed.

>The fostering of the belief that wronged, neglected and abandoned women will become a force of supernatural wrath is actually an incentive for the society to take care of their women (ie don't scorn your wife lest she becomes a vengeful ghost).

I did think of that, but unlike the main argument I made, I didn't include it because I couldn't find literature to support it. Maybe I can include that as an alternative way of seeing the Kuntilanak. I actually think that it's the more "Asian" interpretation and would support the part where I'm trying to use post-colonial feminism.

• Mr. Nairn as a seasoned jurnalist could you explain to us what are the political cliques/interest group at work in Indonesia, perhaps similar to this book http://www.amazon.com/Factions-Finance-China-Conflict-Inflation/dp/0521106478
  
• What are the repercursion of the global trend of sliding into the right spectrum of politics as seen in in India, Russia, and perhaps also Indonesia
  
• What are the repercursion of middle east conflict and prospect of how radical groups may use political situation to go mainstream

That would be Anubus. His brother is Osiris (the falcon headed God) and did you know both Dionysus (Greek God of wine) and Osiris have very similar stories in regards to their life, death, and rebirth. Which in turn influenced Jesus life as recorded in the bible.

Lari2 dari Kristen fanatik.

Although Monotheism has in general 'ruined' the Gods and faith of old yet they still survive. For example: Ancient Judaism was a very polytheistic religion, and even Islam rituals such as the hajj derive from ancient polytheistic practices. That's one of the reasons why the ISIS wants to destroy the kabaa and kill 'stone worshipers.'

TL;DR: Polytheism is still alive and kickin' despite Monotheistic worshipers trying to stamp them out back in the day.

How about a Book if you are interested. Or you can Wiki it.

basically, it is a "religion" that is based on hogwash that you have been brainwashed and not remember your past life-s. And that we are created from aliens...Well, just the delusions of a charismatic mad man. The funny thing is how they treat their followers. Which include, brainwashing, beating, spying, abuse, torture etc...and that's to their own, not the people who are against them. Very very interesting on their Modus Operandi but it gets dark very fast. i spend some time reading about them out of curiosity but i had to noped the fuck out before i go mad.

My supervisor sent me this link to the book (summary also attached).

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I haven't read it yet but just thought I'd pass it along as well.

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https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691161380/counterpunchmaga

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The Killing Season: A History of the Indonesian Massacres, 1965-66,
by Geoffrey B. Robinson.
Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2018.

Half a million people killed and more than a million imprisoned and tortured; the tragedy that befell Indonesia in 1965 was among the more dramatic moments in 20th-century history. It was also one of the most ignored. After more than half a century, Geoffrey B. Robinson’s new book is the first comprehensive history to appear in the English language.

In 1965, Indonesian President Sukarno headed a coalition government that included the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI), the largest such party outside of the socialist bloc. Arrayed against Sukarno and the PKI were powerful domestic forces that included the Army, the Council of Islamic Scholars, and the rightwing Indonesian Nationalist Party. Sukarno also faced external opposition from the United States and the United Kingdom. The US in particular had long tried to undermine the Sukarno government, and in 1957-98 the CIA conducted a covert operation to provide funding and weapons to opposition groups.

When lower ranking Indonesian Army officers abducted and then killed six generals and a lieutenant on October 1, 1965, in what they said was an effort to stop a planned CIA-backed military coup, the Army swiftly responded with a loud propaganda campaign that falsely blamed the PKI for the killings. The Army then launched a campaign of mass slaughter, aimed at eradicating the PKI and its affiliates, including women’s, youth, peasant, and worker organizations. For the next several months the Army, under the command of Major General Suharto, systematically seized power, first sidelining President Sukarno and then later ousting him from his position.

There were elements in the Army that had long harbored plans to attack the Left and take control of the nation; they were only waiting for a propitious moment. Robinson writes: “Significantly, we also know from declassified documents that right up until 1965, the US government was encouraging elements in the Indonesian military to take strong action against the PKI and Sukarno.” The US had identified Suharto as among the anticommunist generals that it regarded as reliable friends.

Western antipathy to Sukarno and the PKI stemmed from the conviction “that Sukarno’s shift to the left represented a direct threat to private investment, especially in the areas of oil and rubber.” By early 1965, trade unions were demanding the expropriation of American and British properties, including oil facilities and plantations. Moreover, “the United States and its allies were anxious to ensure Indonesia’s full integration into a liberal international political and economic order over which they presided, and to prevent the success of a nationalist or leftist economic experiment that would erode Western hegemony.”

In the years leading up to 1965, the US began to increase the amount of aid it sent to the Indonesian military. As a memorandum from the US Joint Chiefs of Staff put it: “The Indonesian Army is the only non-communist force in Indonesia with the capability of obstructing the progress of the PKI toward domination of the country.” If the Army would be “given some encouragement in the form of US aid, Indonesian Army Chief of Staff Nasution will carry out his ‘plan’ for control of the communists.”

By 1965, about 2,800 Indonesian officers had attended military training in the United States. According to a report from the White House’s National Security Council, the training program “bolstered the determination of non-communist and anticommunist elements in Indonesia to counter the communist influence.” The entire program was intended to ideologically groom the officers, with the expectation that there would be a future payoff for U.S. political objectives.

We only hear about human rights violations, whether real or exaggerated or contrived, when they have political utility for Western geopolitical interests. The Indonesian story is of no concern,for human rights were trampled in the service of Western objectives. And we need feel no interest in the victims because no mainstream media have instructed us to do so.

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(Too long to copy and paste it all from the email).

Phew just got from a long business trip, opened my laptop, saw the red icon, and ow yeah, I remembered I was arguing with this psychotic bitch on the internet.

Anyway, okay let's continue.

> What is the solution then? You're being awfully cryptic and I suspect that's because you don't actually know.

I don't know if you actually read my comment or actually comprehend English, but I did give a solution, so stop being so fucking obtuse.

Here I'll write it again, the solution is to be ASSERTIVE if somebody harassed you or abused in any way stop being a pussy and stand up for yourself, I gave you two extreme examples; you can just say no, or you can quit and start your own company.

(God, I doubt that you'll understand this) Historically, women were regarded as equal when they had started proven that they were independent, that they have their own strength, that their existence does matter.

Examples;

Jane Goodall, she fought for the well-being of Chimpanzee in a dilapidated country in Tanzania, where women were treated far worse than Indonesia or any other part of the world.

She is a beautiful woman and was harassed not just for her looks but her intellectual as well, yet she was undeterred and independent.

When the poachers, massacred the animals under her sanctuary, she didn't cry or posted an angry letter or ranted about sexism, these poachers were notoriously vile and wouldn't think twice in murdering their opponent, but she went straight to poachers and began lambasting them in front of their faces, this is why people respected her.

Malala Yousafzai, she was shot in the head, when the Taliban entered her bus, he asked "Which one of you is Malala? Speak up, otherwise, I will shoot you all" and she bravely stood up, but did that stop her? Did she complain about sexism? No! She never stops struggling, and despite everything that she did, there are still cynics that criticized her.

Marsinah, a female Indonesia activist, was raped by an iron pole, yes, they actually stick a pole inside her vagina, because she was defending the workers' right.

Bill Burr was interviewed once and asked was the reason why there aren't as many female comedians out there because we're living in an unjust society, where women were considered as subspecies?

His answer, fuck that, everybody eats shits out here, do you think male comedians became successful because they had a penis hanging out of their crotch instead of a vagina?

Colored people went through the same struggle, and yet we still see white supremacist, extreme alt-right, it's a perpetual state of tribulations. If you wanted to be valued you must act even though the entire planet is against you, and this is true for everybody, male or female.

> This is just name-calling. Personal attack. More name calling. Lol more personal attack. Lol wow sexist much? This is just more name calling and baseless personal attack, only directed to a whole gender Lol exactly it wasn't an argument, just more name calling and personal attack.

You're just mad that you couldn't come up with a cogent riposte.

You were the one who initiated the condescending comment, and then when I descended to your level you demanded that I will argue with you respectfully? Fuck no!

The first "Wut" comment, I knew you were just a psychotic and moronic cunt.

> Context. It's important. Try and pay attention to it one of these days.

AGAIN FUCKING READ MY COMMENT, I even quoted her original comment so she knows which context I was replying to.

> Not that it's any of your business but since you brought it up, I actually run a business making 5 USD figures a month.

Hah! doubt it, somebody who scours the internet just to argue about trivial sexism would be making 5 USD a month, unless if your dad helps you, or if you're a prostitute, do you suck old man's dick so you can buy a bag, cunt? Did your mom teach you how to do it? hahaha.

Hey, could you lick my sphincter? I'll trade you a candy for it.

> So you're saying attractiveness matters in more professions that flight attendant

Nope, I didn't say that and learn English, your grammar gave me cancer.

> So you're saying attractiveness should increase how well someone does her job. Then it should show up on the excel sheets, yes? They should close more deals etc, so then why not just judge that using more measurable metrics? There are stupid attractive people, too. How do you know they perform better if you don't measure their performance?

Again context, read her original post, read my comments and connect the dots.

> Here's how to run a successful business: measure, collect data, interpret data, make improvements based on the data, profit, repeat. It's 2017. The people who know how to properly use data make bank.

Context. It's important. Try and pay attention to it one of these days. The boss was trying to gain new business and based on the data, or his research he found out that his clients like boobs, and there's a probability for him to gain that said business if he were to please their client.

> There's a reason why business students spend a ton of time learning about performance metrics in class.

Most successful businessmen became great because they were persistent, committed, disciplined, knows how to manipulate the market, and actually never gotten any degree.

Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, unanimously said that degree is not important, they all have faced self-doubts in their lives.

Steve Jobs, never follow what the market dictates, he had created his own innovation based on his belief and intuition. Read his book, ow, well, learn English first, because the words are complicated.

Here start with this book, https://www.amazon.com/Very-Hungry-Caterpillar-Eric-Carle/dp/0399226907

> So because there are extreme feminists fighting stupid battles in Australia, that means all the things feminism strives for everywhere else, including in Indonesia, is ridiculous? If not, I don't see how that article is relevant to this thread.

No, I didn't say that. I even said that women in Indonesia were historically more respected than the western counterpart, I was mocking her statement.

AGAIN, OP problem was something that could've had been solved if she were more assertive, douchebags are everywhere, although her boss might not actually one, and she is just a large baby.

Her insecurities made her irrational and started blaming others aspects such as feminism, instead of facing her own fear, which I think is ridiculous, just like the extreme feminism in Australia or everywhere, their thinking was based on female insecurities rather than rational thinking.

TL;DR; Again stop being a cunt, stop eating MSG, go back to elementary school again, when somebody make a comment don't reply them with a condescending comment like you know everything, learn proper English or just use Bahasa because I can speak that too, and come back to me when .. mmm... maybe 50 years from now? once you learned what diction is, segue, cognitive dissonance, logical fallacies, and real history about women's suffrage, ow, maybe just basic vocabularies, okay bitch?