Reddit reviews Fantastic Four by Waid & Wieringo Ultimate Collection, Book 1
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We found 6 Reddit comments about Fantastic Four by Waid & Wieringo Ultimate Collection, Book 1. Here are the top ones, ranked by their Reddit score.
Johnny probably gets about as much respect as he deserves, because he's permanently stuck in "immature teenager" characterization mode.
Ben's unique in that he's one of the strongest characters in the Marvel Universe, but a lot of fans and many of the writers don't understand how smart and experienced he is. he entered the series as a war veteran, he's got a degree from the same college that Reed and Doom attended, and he was a professional test pilot with some boxing and wrestling experience. Ben's got a pretty decent power set, but what sets him apart is his willpower, fighting prowess, and applied intelligence. the basic test for what separates a great FF writer from a decent to mediocre one is whether or not they realize that Ben is the smart one on the team.
for my money, the Waid & Weiringo run on the book is one of the best:
https://www.amazon.com/Fantastic-Four-Wieringo-Ultimate-Collection/dp/0785156550
Fantastic Four
Spider-Man
      Ultimate Spider-Man | #1-160 | 2000-2008 | Bendis
      Spider-Man: Blue | #1-6 | 2002 | Loeb
      Amazing Spider-Man | #30-57, 500-545 | 2001-2007 | Straczynski
      Amazing Spider-Man (Brand New Day) | #546-647 | 2008-2010 | Slott, et al.
      Amazing Spider-Man (Big Time) | #648-700.5 | 2010-2013 | Slott, et al.
      Superior Spider-Man | #1-33 | 2013-2014 | Slott, et al.
This would be a great place to start. Very recent, great retelling of the origin.
I'll just list the first volume of each series, as they're similarly titled and easy to find on Amazon/wherever if you're looking. (Except Hickman...)
Stan Lee / Jack Kirby: Started it all, still the best. There's the Masterworks paperbacks (about 10 issues a trade) and the omnibus.
John Byrne: The next great run. Again, there're the Visionaries trades and the omnibus.
Walt Simonson: Just trades, as far as I can tell. They also seem to be out of print. (Not a particularly high-priority run, though, so don't worry about it.)
Mark Waid / Mike Wieringo: One of the top runs, easily. Right up there with Lee/Kirby and Hickman.
Jonathan Hickman: Recently ended, but already hailed as a landmark. The reading order is a little convoluted because there were two titles at one point. I'll list everything here. (Note: It's all been neatly ordered for the omnibus, so that's the easiest.) Hickman's run starts with a mini-series that tied into the ongoing Marvel status quo at the time, Dark Reign. Norman Osborn, formerly Spider-Man's nemesis the Green Goblin, is given control of the nation's security, starting a SHIELD replacement called HAMMER. While a tie-in, it does set up a major conceit of Hickman's run and I'd recommend reading it. Hickman starts on the book proper with #570 and continues until its cancellation at #588. The book is restarted as FF with a new #1. After #11 of that series, Fantastic Four is brought back with #600, while FF continues its own numbering. This is where things get tricky. Now that there are two titles written by the same guy about mostly the same characters, the reading order is a little wonky. The trades don't even attempt to address this, but I've provided Hickman's recommended order (which was used for the omnibus.)
You can read straight up to F4 588, then FF 1 through 11, then: F4 600, FF 12, F4 601, FF 13, F4 602, FF 14, F4 603, FF 15, F4 604, FF 16, F4 605, F4 605.1, F4 606, FF 17-18, F4 607-608, FF 19-21, F4 609-610, FF 22, F4 611, FF 23.\
Now, to step away from runs on the FF books proper, here's some mini-series and spin-offs worth reading:
Here's some stuff with MODOK you need to read:
For Spider-Man, check out the beginning of Dan Slott's current run, Spider-Man: Big Time. For the Fantastic Four, I recommend starting with Mark Waid's run: Fantastic Four by Waid & Wieringo Ultimate Collection vol. 1.
I'd also recommend giving these a look:
IFanboy does lots of "Where do I Start?" bits for various comic characters/teams, they're usually spot on. Here's the link the F4 one: http://ifanboy.com/articles/fantastic-four-where-do-i-start/
Personally, I thought the golden age ones were sort of fun but not nessecarily "essential". The last on the list is Mark Waids run which just recently got an "ultimate collection" release, and is often really highly recommended (I just ordered the first 2 of 4 for myself) http://www.amazon.com/Fantastic-Four-Wieringo-Ultimate-Collection/dp/0785156550/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370487644&sr=8-1&keywords=fantastic+four+waid
And Hickmans run also has rave reviews and will be released in omnibus form later this year (October), though it is available in smaller volumes right now as well http://www.amazon.com/Fantastic-Jonathan-Hickman-Omnibus-Volume/dp/0785165665/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370487700&sr=8-1&keywords=fantastic+four+hickman+omnibus
I would add to this The Books of Doom, a recent origin story on Doctor Doom (though it doesn't feature the Fantastic Four, even though their name is in the title) http://www.amazon.com/Fantastic-Four-Books-Ed-Brubaker/dp/0785122710/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370487776&sr=8-1&keywords=books+of+doom+brubaker
In that case, I'd say pick a character and start from the beginning of a "run" - meaning, a series of issues written by the same author. The best way to do this is via "trades" which are paperback books that collect a bunch of issues into one.
A few suggestions that I've personally enjoyed and are good to start with (with Amazon links to the first trade, but also, make sure you use your local library - either taking out physical copies or digitally via Hoopla):
Ultimate Spider-Man - Brian Michael Bendis
Fantastic Four - Waid / Wieringo
Gotham Central - Michael Brubaker
Daredevil - Mark Waid
Astonishing X-Men - Joss Whedon
Batman: Year One - Frank Miller
There are also tons of guides online, so if you have a specific character you want to start with, you can just google "best _____ comics to start with" and get some suggestions.
Don't be afraid to just jump in. Individual story lines for the most part can stand alone without any background.
EDIT: added the hyphen for the bot :)